Private Agencies Employed By McCanns

[Venturi Swirl]

No we haven't.

Yes we have. 

[faithlilly]

Yes we have.

No we haven’t.

[Venturi Swirl]

No we haven’t.

Yes we have.

[faithlilly]

Yes we have.

Do you ever see Sean’s face ?

[Holly Goodhead]

Guys a new thread has been started to cover sleep and sedation. 

Any further posts here about anything other than thread topic will be deleted on sight.

[Venturi Swirl]

Do you ever see Sean’s face ?

I didn’t need to, it was perfectly  clear from his floppy demeanour that he was not awake.  Awake toddlers do not just lie still on their father’s shoulders without moving.  Compare Amelie to Sean for proof of this. You may prefer to deny the evidence of your own eyes, I’m really not bothered.

[faithlilly]

I didn’t need to, it was perfectly  clear from his floppy demeanour that he was not awake.  Awake toddlers do not just lie still on their father’s shoulders without moving.  Compare Amelie to Sean for proof of this. You may prefer to deny the evidence of your own eyes, I’m really not bothered.

My, my you’re morphing into Davel.

If you didn’t see if Sean was asleep then you can’t claim that he was.

[Venturi Swirl]

My, my you’re morphing into Davel.

If you didn’t see if Sean was asleep then you can’s claim that he was.

Yes I can, and so can anyone with eyes in their head and a fully functioning brain.  I suggest you review the video evidence and come back here to tell us that in your opinion both twins were awake.  Then I will enjoy a good laugh at this ridiculous conclusion.

[G-Unit]

Afaik the McCanns employed 4 private agencies: Control Risks, Montedo 3, Oakley International and 1 other which escapes my memory if I ever read about it.

Bottom line is hundreds of thousands spent for what exactly?  How did these agencies advance the case if at all?

I'm not sure what the role of Control Risks was. I have the impression that it was to gather evidence for a possible defence.

Metodo 3 seemed to have been found by Brian Kennedy. They generated a lot of sightings but not much else imo.

Oakley just appeared, like Control Risks did. The Smith efits seem to have been their achievement.

Dave Edgar found the Australian woman in Barcelona, but, it seems, publicised it without checking any of the facts.

On the whole they helped with publicity, but didn't advance the case at all imo.

[faithlilly]

Yes I can, and so can anyone with eyes in their head and a fully functioning brain.  I suggest you review the video evidence and come back here to tell us that in your opinion both twins were awake.  Then I will enjoy a good laugh at this ridiculous conclusion.

At no time do you see Sean’s face.

His sister’s face you can see and she is very much awake....so how do we know that she’s a ‘heavy sleeper ‘ when all the evidence points against it ?

[Holly Goodhead]

A new thread has been set up to discuss sleep/sedation please take your discussions there.

Any further off-topic posts will be removed on sight.

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm not sure what the role of Control Risks was. I have the impression that it was to gather evidence for a possible defence.

Metodo 3 seemed to have been found by Brian Kennedy. They generated a lot of sightings but not much else imo.

Oakley just appeared, like Control Risks did. The Smith efits seem to have been their achievement.

Dave Edgar found the Australian woman in Barcelona, but, it seems, publicised it without checking any of the facts.

On the whole they helped with publicity, but didn't advance the case at all imo.

I was reading recently about an investigator attached to Metodo 3 I believe who went undercover trying to infiltrate paedophile and child trafficking rings in an attempt to discover MM's whereabouts.  He appeared in the Netflix docu.  You will probably know the name with your encyclopedic knowledge of the case.

[G-Unit]

I was reading recently about an investigator attached to Metodo 3 I believe who went undercover trying to infiltrate paedophile and child trafficking rings in an attempt to discover MM's whereabouts.  He appeared in the Netflix docu.  You will probably know the name with your encyclopedic knowledge of the case.

Julian Peribañez. He is now seen as some kind of expert by The Sun, who printed his opinions on the Nora Quoirin case recently.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9726789/nora-quoirin-cops-slammed-by-madeleine-mccann-investigator/

[Venturi Swirl]

At no time do you see Sean’s face.

His sister’s face you can see and she is very much awake....so how do we know that she’s a ‘heavy sleeper ‘ when all the evidence points against it ?

When have I claimed that we have evidence that Amelie was a very heavy sleeper?  We have evidence that one twin was, evidence which you refuse to accept because you need to see his eyes closed.  I am sufficiently intelligent and perceptive to be able to recognise that Sean is fast asleep in that clip without needing to check the state of his eyes.  If ome twin is a very heavy sleeper then it is not beyond the realm of fantasy that both twins are, though granted we have no evidence that both are, a claim I never made in the first place.

[Venturi Swirl]

A new thread has been set up to discuss sleep/sedation please take your discussions there.

Any further off-topic posts will be removed on sight.

Please do not remove my reply to Faithlilly, there is no appropriate thread currently running where I can simply post a reply without it being completely irrelevant to the posts that have gone before.