UK and North American politics. => A look at British politics in the light of the decision to leave the EU. => Topic started by: sadie on July 04, 2016, 10:54:57 AM
Title: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: sadie on July 04, 2016, 10:54:57 AM
On TV News just, Nigel Farage has resigned
Good !
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Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: stephen25000 on July 04, 2016, 12:46:14 PM
Leave donor plans new party to replace Ukip – possibly without Farage in charge
Thanks stephen
So UKIP is going ?
Wonder what he will be stirring up next?
Wonder who is pulling the strings ... and what does he get out of it ?
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: G-Unit on July 04, 2016, 01:18:03 PM
Farage has achieved what he set out to achieve. He remains an MEP until the UK leaves the EU. He can sit back and snipe from the sidelines if he wishes without being constrained by being a party leader. A wise move in my opinion.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: Alfie on July 04, 2016, 01:19:24 PM
He'll be back - in Andrea Leadsom's cabinet, once she's been elected Tory leader and he's stood as a Tory candidate in some safe seat, or that's the plan anyway.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: stephen25000 on July 04, 2016, 01:46:52 PM
He'll be back - in Andrea Leadsom's cabinet, once she's been elected Tory leader and he's stood as a Tory candidate in some safe seat, or that's the plan anyway.
She's got to win first and it appears She has skeletons in her closet.
Let's not forget her speech 3 years ago saying Leaving the EU would be a disaster.
As to Farage, he is nothing more than a nasty little self centred shi##e.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: John on July 04, 2016, 02:12:08 PM
Millionaire UKIP and Brexit backer Aaron Banks has decided that UKIP no longer has any purpose, he clearly has aims on creating a new political Party to take advantage of the current chaos within UK politics. Little wonder therefore that Nigel Farage has today chosen to resign as leader of UKIP.
Millionaire UKIP and Brexit backer Aaron Banks has decided that UKIP no longer has any purpose, he clearly has aims on creating a new political Party to take advantage of the current chaos within UK politics. Little wonder therefore that Nigel Farage has today chosen to resign as leader of UKIP.
I have a feeling many agree with you mercury, what a bloody mess the country is in.
it isn't just this country. I don't think europe is any better. Juncker looks like he is habitually drunk and is running the show. Merkel wants him out.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: blonk on July 07, 2016, 10:25:16 AM
it isn't just this country. I don't think Europe is any better. Juncker looks like he is habitually drunk and is running the show.
He is habitually drunk according to Geoffrey Levy's article in the Daily Mail on 30 June.
QUOTE:
"Where but in the EU could a small-time politician with no particular talents, from a country the size of Surry that thrives on unpaid taxes diverted from its fellow member states, have been given the presidency of a commission which - operating in total secrecy - oversees 28 countries (soon to be 27) of 500 million people? Like some parody of a mafia don, Juncker darkly warned Britain that it would face 'consequences' for leaving.
The first act of a man who likes to play pinball machines and is said to take his first malt whisky with breakfast, has been to impose a 'presidential ban' on EU officials conducting informal talks with Britain.
But then Juncker, known for his rumpled suits and alcohol-laced breath, is nothing if not a small-town bully-boy politician, he's used to throwing his weight around in Luxembourg, a state built on tax avoidance for which he was largely responsible as Prime Minister for 18 years - 15 of which he was Finance Minister.
Largely as a result of Juncker's tax avoidance deals, Luxembourg's citizens are by far the wealthiest in Europe..."
UNQUOTE
And therein lies Nigel Farage's monumental achievement.
He first came to public notice in 1999 when he scraped enough votes to win a seat as an M.E.P. for South-East England in the Euro elections. The political establishment and the media have derided him ever since.
Yet, 17 years later, he stands proud as the one individual who did more than any other person to persuade over 17.4 million people that their best interests lay in recovering their democracy and freedom to run their own affairs and in leaving Jean-Claude Juncker's fundamentally undemocratic, sclerotic, failing organisation.
Blue plaques should be put up at all the places where Farage has ever lived.
After all, Peter Tatchell has one in Southwark, despite his frequent advocacy of children having sexual relations with adults.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2016, 10:37:22 AM
He is habitually drunk according to Geoffrey Levy's article in the Daily Mail on 30 June.
QUOTE:
"Where but in the EU could a small-time politician with no particular talents, from a country the size of Surry that thrives on unpaid taxes diverted from its fellow member states, have been given the presidency of a commission which - operating in total secrecy - oversees 28 countries (soon to be 27) of 500 million people? Like some parody of a mafia don, Juncker darkly warned Britain that it would face 'consequences' for leaving.
The first act of a man who likes to play pinball machines and is said to take his first malt whisky with breakfast, has been to impose a 'presidential ban' on EU officials conducting informal talks with Britain.
But then Juncker, known for his rumpled suits and alcohol-laced breath, is nothing if not a small-town bully-boy politician, he's used to throwing his weight around in Luxembourg, a state built on tax avoidance for which he was largely responsible as Prime Minister for 18 years - 15 of which he was Finance Minister.
Largely as a result of Juncker's tax avoidance deals, Luxembourg's citizens are by far the wealthiest in Europe..."
UNQUOTE
And therein lies Nigel Farage's monumental achievement.
He first came to public notice in 1999 when he scraped enough votes to win a seat as an M.E.P. for South-East England in the Euro elections. The political establishment and the media have derided him ever since.
Yet, 17 years later, he stands proud as the one individual who did more than any other person to persuade over 17.4 million people that their best interests lay in recovering their democracy and freedom to run their own affairs and in leaving Jean-Claude Juncker's fundamentally undemocratic, sclerotic, failing organisation.
Blue plaques should be put up at all the places where Farage has ever lived.
After all, Peter Tatchell has one in Southwark, despite his frequent advocacy of children having sexual relations with adults.
A result based on lies and myths, perpetuated, IMO, by Farage, and others.
[ unsubstantiated claim removed ]
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2016, 10:54:06 AM
As to brexit
The whole leave campaign was nonsense, and too many believed it.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 07, 2016, 11:00:05 AM
I notice he hasn't been charged for his 'racist' poster....
I judge him by the company he keeps and his actions.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2016, 11:23:52 AM
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: John on July 07, 2016, 12:00:32 PM
The original historic stills taken from a Nazi propaganda film which gave rise to the recent UKIP poster and accusation by MEP in Brussels that Farage was acting like a Nazi.
Nigel Farage a racist? Do me a favour. He is simply a democrat, who can spot un undemocratic superstate where others seem unable to.
As for sheer naked racism in the campaign, the prize must surely go to the 'Operation Black Vote' (OBV) poster, 'A Vote is a Vote', condemned even by the Guardian:
The OBV illustrated its vile racist and divisive message with two people on a see-saw.
On the left was a calm, serene peaceful looking Indian lady in her sarong.
On the right was a very angry white skinhead, wearing heavy boots, tattooed all over, pointing aggressively at the Indian lady.
Racial stereotyping of the very worst kind
You have your view, I have mine, and mine won't change.
What good or service has he provided in his time as a member of the European parliament ?
Would you care to state how much he has claimed in expenses and allowances , and doing sweet foxtrot alpha for it ?
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2016, 02:22:16 PM
Single-handedly he has restored passion, genuine debate and meaning to politics. Single-handedly he has reinvented British democracy........He has been labelled a racist and a fascist. There have been comparisons with Hitler. He has endured by far the most hostile press and media coverage of any mainstream politician in living memory......When he emerged as a force ten years ago, Britain was governed by a cross-party conspiracy. It was impossible to raise the issue of immigration without being labelled racist, or of leaving the EU without being insulted as a fanatic. Mainstream arguments to shrink the size of the state, or even to challenge its growth were regarded as a sign of madness or inhumanity......The only voters that political modernisers cared about were those in Britain’s approximately 100 marginal seats .....In reality, it was the British politicians who turned their back on the electorate, not the other way around. The voters were much less apathetic than the national politicians assumed....he has shown remarkable stamina and, most of all, he has given British democracy back to the people it belongs to — the voters. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/05/ukips-triumph/
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: John on July 08, 2016, 03:01:58 PM
Single-handedly he has restored passion, genuine debate and meaning to politics. Single-handedly he has reinvented British democracy........He has been labelled a racist and a fascist. There have been comparisons with Hitler. He has endured by far the most hostile press and media coverage of any mainstream politician in living memory......When he emerged as a force ten years ago, Britain was governed by a cross-party conspiracy. It was impossible to raise the issue of immigration without being labelled racist, or of leaving the EU without being insulted as a fanatic. Mainstream arguments to shrink the size of the state, or even to challenge its growth were regarded as a sign of madness or inhumanity......The only voters that political modernisers cared about were those in Britain’s approximately 100 marginal seats .....In reality, it was the British politicians who turned their back on the electorate, not the other way around. The voters were much less apathetic than the national politicians assumed....he has shown remarkable stamina and, most of all, he has given British democracy back to the people it belongs to — the voters. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/05/ukips-triumph/
And most of all he has got the UK out of that basketcase called the EU!
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2016, 03:04:14 PM
'Brexit hate crimes: reports rise by more than 50 per cent since the EU referendum'
The number of hate crimes reported in London has risen by more than 50 per cent since the EU referendum.
New figures from the Met show that there were 599 incidents of race hate crime reported to Scotland Yard between Friday 24 June - the day the result was announced - and Saturday July 2.
It means the Metropolitan Police was receiving an average of 67 allegations a day in the wake of the poll.
This was a rise of more than 50 per cent compared to the average daily number of 44 reported prior to June 24.
Commander Mak Chishty, who leads on community engagement for the Met, said: "We can report there has been an increase in hate crime offences since the UK EU referendum.
Man 'did Nazi salutes and said 'this is my country' in Tube race rant'
"On any given day there are between 25 and 50 racial incidents in London and the MPS has been monitoring reported incidents of hate crime closely in light of recent events.
"We are carefully analysing every incident to see what is happening across London and these figures may change as victims come forward and report incidents after the event. The vast majority of these incidents involve abusive and offensive language.
"I would strongly urge both victims and witnesses to come forward and report any such incidents to police as soon as possible."
Londoners hold Tube station demonstrations against post-Brexit hate crimes
#SafetyPin campaign shows solidarity with immigrants and EU citizens against rise of hate crime
Brexit hate crimes: Polish girl abused by classmates and German cars vandalised in London
He added that police recognise that people "are feeling anxious at the perception of increased intolerance against certain communities".
In a letter to Labour MP Keith Vaz, chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Committee, Met Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe stressed the Met takes hate crime "extremely seriously".
He said that on Sunday, June 26 they decided to move their policing approach from a "monitoring position" to a "proactive pan-London policing operation".
Khan tells Londoners to report racism, saying 'I was victim of abuse'
Patrol plans were adjusted to deliver a visible presence in areas considered most affected.
Last week it was revealed that hate crime incidents reported to a national police portal were five times the typical weekly level.
A total of 331 incidents were reported to the True Vision online site - equivalent to 47 each day - from June 23 to 29.
The tally, disclosed by the National Police Chiefs' Council, compared with a weekly average of 63 reports.
Has Farage ever encouraged people to attack immigrants? I think he could have been arrested for inciting racial hatred if so.
I have to wonder at what stage uncontrolled immigration would become insupportable? Without the provision of housing and the expansion of services when would our systems have broken down under the pressure? Would those committed to remaining in the EU have turned a blind eye to the suffering of those whose schools, hospitals and other services couldn't cope? I have seen on TV immigrants in London living in conditions similar to the Rachman era. Overstretched council workers try their best, but there's so much of it.
If we are prosperous in the EU why do our poor and many immigrants seem to be living in less than ideal conditions? Why is the rich-poor gap widening? Why are our services buckling under the pressure? Why is child poverty growing?
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2016, 03:06:11 PM
Has Farage ever encouraged people to attack immigrants? I think he could have been arrested for inciting racial hatred if so.
I have to wonder at what stage uncontrolled immigration would become insupportable? Without the provision of housing and the expansion of services when would our systems have broken down under the pressure? Would those committed to remaining in the EU have turned a blind eye to the suffering of those whose schools, hospitals and other services couldn't cope? I have seen on TV immigrants in London living in conditions similar to the Rachman era. Overstretched council workers try their best, but there's so much of it.
If we are prosperous in the EU why do our poor and many immigrants seem to be living in less than ideal conditions? Why is the rich-poor gap widening? Why are our services buckling under the pressure? Why is child poverty growing?
The man has incited fear of immigration, and by that note immigrants.
As to this............
'If we are prosperous in the EU why do our poor and many immigrants seem to be living in less than ideal conditions? Why is the rich-poor gap widening? Why are our services buckling under the pressure? Why is child poverty growing?'
Ask successive UK governments.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2016, 03:18:52 PM
The man has incited fear of immigration, and by that note immigrants.
As to this............
'If we are prosperous in the EU why do our poor and many immigrants seem to be living in less than ideal conditions? Why is the rich-poor gap widening? Why are our services buckling under the pressure? Why is child poverty growing?'
Ask successive UK governments.
He highlighted the problems which uncontrolled immigration was causing, which is quite different.
Our governments should have been aware that neglecting the poor and cutting services was turning voters against the lot of them. No wonder the voters rejected their recommendations on the EU referendum. Based on past performance it was obvious that any so called prosperity we gained from EU membership wasn't going to be used to help the majority lead better lives. The vote didn't just reject EU membership, it rejected our political classes. They need to take that on board.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2016, 03:45:38 PM
He highlighted the problems which uncontrolled immigration was causing, which is quite different.
Our governments should have been aware that neglecting the poor and cutting services was turning voters against the lot of them. No wonder the voters rejected their recommendations on the EU referendum. Based on past performance it was obvious that any so called prosperity we gained from EU membership wasn't going to be used to help the majority lead better lives. The vote didn't just reject EU membership, it rejected our political classes. They need to take that on board.
INCORRECT.
He has repeatedly exacerbated the situation for his own ends.
I have researched Farage's past behaviour and beliefs.
Have you ?
By the way, how has EU membership, which of course we are still part of, hurt you ?
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: blonk on July 08, 2016, 04:08:04 PM
[Nigel Farage] has incited fear of immigration, and by that note immigrants.
Search his record, his many speeches on YouTube etc. and you will find 95% of it is about removing democratic Britain from the undemocratic E.U., and nothing else.
Where he has spoken about immigration, he has...
* identified the very obvious problem of belonging to a political union where any one of its 500 million inhabitants can just stroll in and settle here, no matter whether we have enough...houses...school places...doctors...hospitals etc.
* supported the admission of Syrian refugees
* supported fair treatment for Gurkhas
* explained how unlimited E.U. migration lowers wages for the lowest-paid
* opposed all forms of racism, and
* campaigned for a sensible points system for immigrants like the Australian system.
On the point of Nigel Farage's 'background' and 'views', which you claim to have researched, I got to know Farage afte working as the Political Secretary of his fellow-M.E.P. Jeffery Titford 1999-2001. There was no trace of racism in him, and UKIP welcomed many ethnic minority members into the party at this time.
Finally, on the rise of 'racial hate crimes' in the past two weeks, regrettably whenever certain items feature on the news, there is an outbreak of these horrible kinds of attacks. There was for instance a similar sharp rise in attacks on Jews by Muslims at the time Israel went into Gaza to stop the Palestinians firing thousands of rockets at civilian targets in Israel.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: John on July 08, 2016, 04:31:14 PM
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Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: G-Unit on July 08, 2016, 06:26:06 PM
He has repeatedly exacerbated the situation for his own ends.
I have researched Farage's past behaviour and beliefs.
Have you ?
By the way, how has EU membership, which of course we are still part of, hurt you ?
You will be able to provide cites found during your research then. When you do so we will discuss the facts you give, I'm not interested in your unsupported opinions.
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2016, 06:59:42 PM
Farage has achieved what he set out to achieve. He remains an MEP until the UK leaves the EU. He can sit back and snipe from the sidelines if he wishes without being constrained by being a party leader. A wise move in my opinion.
I concur! the arrogant MP's and holy grail of parliament should have listened to him years ago! or should have kept their eye on the EU ball with all the directives being shoved into our laws. The sheer volume would bring tears to a glass eye
Title: Re: Nigel Farage has resigned from UKIP
Post by: G-Unit on July 09, 2016, 10:13:12 PM
I concur! the arrogant MP's and holy grail of parliament should have listened to him years ago! or should have kept their eye on the EU ball with all the directives being shoved into our laws. The sheer volume would bring tears to a glass eye
They thought they could cherry-pick the bits they liked and resist it's trend towards more control and centralization. Farage highlighted just how they were losing that battle. If the EU was so great why did successive UK politicians fight so hard against so many of it's aims?