The Defence Will State Their Case

[Leonora]

May I remind my learned friend that Vincent Tabak never used any such phrase as "for the crime that I have done". Nor did Peter Brotherton ever use this phrase while he was in the witness box. It was William Clegg QC alone who used the phrase in the course of the rhetorical questions he put to this witness. The witness replied, "If you say so, then I would agree with you". Mr Clegg referred to a statement that he alleged the witness had signed a few days after the prison conversations - but this witness statement was evidently not included in the judge's or the jury's bundle, as no one attempted to refer to it to ascertain whether the witness remembered correctly or not.

This sort of trickery by the lawyers in court needs to be borne in mind when suspecting Vincent Tabak of all sorts of dark deeds.

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May I remind my learned friend that Vincent Tabak never used any such phrase as "for the crime that I have done". Nor did Peter Brotherton ever use this phrase while he was in the witness box. It was William Clegg QC alone who used the phrase in the course of the rhetorical questions he put to this witness. The witness replied, "If you say so, then I would agree with you". Mr Clegg referred to a statement that he alleged the witness had signed a few days after the prison conversations - but this witness statement was evidently not included in the judge's or the jury's bundle, as no one attempted to refer to it to ascertain whether the witness remembered correctly or not.

This sort of trickery by the lawyers in court needs to be borne in mind when suspecting Vincent Tabak of all sorts of dark deeds.

leonora.... Clegg allowed the jury to believe plenty that wasn't true introducing the blind being broken for instance... Not defending his client whatsoever...

Yet. he's happy to defend a smackhead as long as he's got a title and give the most strange defence known to man for this Heroin Addict....

Did his bad character reference come to trial..... I doubt it.....

leornora... I want to know who stitched Dr Vincent Tabak up??? Because they have gone along way to put him in prison without any evidence whatsoever....

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This I found on another site....  It appears that the forum member has copied the original article....

Vincent Tabak 'viewed violent web porn'
By Chris Kelly - BBC News - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15534053

Tabak viewed violent internet porn before and after he strangled Jo Yeates

Vincent Tabak viewed violent internet pornography depicting men holding women by the neck in the weeks after he killed his Bristol neighbour Jo Yeates, it has emerged.

During legal arguments in his trial, prosecutors revealed videos and pictures found on his laptop and work computer depicted a man holding a woman's neck during sex and images of other women tied up in car boots.

Prosecutors believed that the pornographic films showed why Tabak held Miss Yeates by the neck - which led to her death.

Nigel Lickley QC wanted Tabak's internet usage to be included in the Crown's case against him but this was blocked by Mr Justice Field and the jury was not told about it.

Tabak admitted Miss Yeates's manslaughter but denied murdering her and during his trial at Bristol Crown Court he insisted he had not meant to kill the 25-year-old landscape architect.

In legal arguments without the jury present, Mr Lickley said the pornographic films and images depicted "violent images of women being held by the neck".

He added: "We submit that these images explain why he held Miss Yeates by the neck."

Tabak, the prosecution claimed, favoured films showing submissive women and others being bound and gagged and watched some more than once.

But on the eve of the trial, the judge agreed with defence QC William Clegg that the disclosure of Tabak's internet use following Miss Yeates's death could not prove the killing was premeditated.
Escort agency

While Tabak's defence team had said the killing was "a few seconds of madness" and portrayed Tabak as a quiet man who had only had one girlfriend - the police had a different view.

During a business trip in Los Angeles during autumn 2010, the Dutch national contacted an escort agency shortly before withdrawing $200 from a cash machine. He then checked into a different hotel where he was staying under the name of Francis Tabak.

Jo Yeates's disappearance led to a search which ended with her body being found on Christmas Day

On his return to a snow-covered England it was a chance encounter - a glance through a kitchen window - which would ultimately lead to Miss Yeates's death.

She and boyfriend Greg Reardon had only recently moved into the neighbouring Clifton flat to Tabak and did not know the Dutch national.

On the night of 17 December, Greg Reardon had gone to visit family in Sheffield while Tabak's girlfriend Tanja Morson had left for a Christmas party in Malmesbury.

Miss Yeates visited the Bristol Ram pub and went home early to bake cakes. Next door, a "bored" Tabak decided he would go to Asda to buy treats.

As he walked from his flat he passed Miss Yeates's window, where the pair caught each other's eye. Tabak claimed in court that Miss Yeates invited him in.

In the witness box, Tabak claimed a "flirty comment" led to him attempting to kiss Miss Yeates, which caused her to scream. Tabak held his hand over her mouth but when she screamed a second time he strangled her.

Prosecutors told Tabak's trial there was a struggle - a pathologist found 43 separate injuries on Miss Yeates's body.

After strangling Miss Yeates, Tabak put her body in the boot of his car and drove first to Asda and then to remote Longwood Lane where he left her body.

That night, much of the UK had been blanketed in heavy snow and Bristol was no exception. A huge search was launched after Mr Reardon returned and reported Miss Yeates missing but her body went unnoticed under the snow for eight days.

Tabak claimed he caught Jo Yeates's eye through her kitchen window

In the following days police arrested Miss Yeates' landlord Christopher Jefferies but he was soon released and was never charged.

And DNA evidence soon led them to Tabak.

Microscopic splatters of blood in the back of the Dutchman's car would go some way towards trapping him but, crucially, DNA on his victim's body would also link the pair.

Tabak had gone on holiday with his girlfriend to the Netherlands over Christmas and - amid the media storm surrounding the story - she had called Avon and Somerset Police to tell them where they had gone.

Officers visited the pair in Holland where both voluntarily gave DNA samples. They returned to the UK a few days later.

But on the morning of 7 January - weeks after Miss Yeates's body had been found - Tabak searched for "Jo Yeates" on Google, minutes before moving on to the violent pornographic sites.
'Top pulled up'

"Some of those films contained images of a woman again being held by the throat," Mr Lickley told Bristol Crown Court.

And some recovered images showed a petite blonde woman with her top pulled up in a similar fashion to how Miss Yeates was found.

"That suggests he derived sexual pleasure from them," said Mr Lickley.

"He received a text message from his girlfriend but continued watching the pornography."

Jo Yeates and Vincent Tabak lived in two garden flats in Canynge Road, Clifton

Tabak's arrest, on 20 January, took place not in Clifton but a few miles away at the flat of a friend in Cotham.

The weight of evidence had stacked up against him and led to charges and an admission he had killed her.

Under arrest Tabak told police he did not know Miss Yeates and kept replying "no comment" under interview.

His silence even extended to his own defence lawyers.

He accepted during the trial he should have called police but after his arrest, according to Ann Redrop from the Crown Prosecution Service, he gave no reasons for the killing.

"We heard nothing more following his guilty plea to manslaughter until we received a defence case statement which very briefly said 'yes, I was invited in, I killed her, I moved her body'."

"But the why and the wherefore was completely lacking."

It's this that was of Interest...

He accepted during the trial he should have called police but after his arrest, according to Ann Redrop from the Crown Prosecution Service, he gave no reasons for the killing.

"We heard nothing more following his guilty plea to manslaughter until we received a defence case statement which very briefly said 'yes, I was invited in, I killed her, I moved her body'."

"But the why and the wherefore was completely lacking.

So.... Dr Vincent Tabak's statement said... 'yes, I was invited in, I killed her, I moved her body'."

WOW... And they went to trial on that!!!!! For God sake..... 

Ann Reddrop.... where was your EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!!


This is why I believe it is important to link and quote everything....  And screenshot if needed... They have removed so much information from the Internet and there has to be a reason Why..... (IMO)...

Thanks to Tony Gosling of 9/11 forum
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=169461

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From the above quote:

Tabak had gone on holiday with his girlfriend to the Netherlands over Christmas and - amid the media storm surrounding the story - she had called Avon and Somerset Police to tell them where they had gone.

So was the story about CJ's car a pile of crap too???????  DC Karen Thomas, would you like to comment????

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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8194.msg424571#msg424571


Since I believe I uncovered Andrew Motts Role in The Joanna Yeates murder case, it had me wondering.....

DC Karen Thomas.... Is she a civilian Officer too????

The murder team sent DC Karen Thomas to Amsterdam and on New Year's Eve she spoke to Tabak at a hotel near Schiphol airport for six hours.

On Christmas Eve, Detective Constable Karen Thomas, a member of the police's major crime investigation team, spoke to Tabak by telephone about his movements on the night of Yeates's disappearance. He told her he was in all evening before driving in the early hours of the morning to pick up Morson after a work party.

She like Andrew Mott is taking statements... answering the telephone... just what a Civilian Officer does

Is this what it is.... They are not real Policemen/women????

The real Investigating Officer accompanied her... But their name never gets mentioned..... Nor do they appear at trial....

If I think about it... Where are all the "Police officers" at the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak ?????


Going back to the first quote...... The murder team sent DC Karen Thomas to Amsterdam and on New Year's Eve she spoke to Tabak at a hotel near Schiphol airport for six hours.

Yes... they sent a civilian..... (IMO).... to take notes....

The major crime team are made up of 8 Officers I believe and the rest are help.... So who are the Officers for this Crime team??

DCI Mike Carter is The head... But he never gets mentioned in The Joanna Yeates case.... (oddly enough)..  But every tom dick and harry does....

So... Is the so called named DC Karen Thomas actually a Civilian just like Andrew  Mott?? And what about Joe Goff???

Which Police Officers stood up in court... Because we know the man we believe to be DCI Phil Jones didn't.... He lines up in queue with the rest of the public when he goes to Bristol Crown Court...


Is this man a 'Civilian Officer too??? Because when we went to LinkedIn... we had an image of another man who was DCI Phil Jones

https://www.linkedin.com/in/philjones488/?ppe=1


Edit.... Is she this Karen Thomas ??  https://www.linkedin.com/in/karen-thomas-13663846/


So again I will ask..... who appeared on Crimewatch that were real Police Officers??/ because I am starting to wonder if these people were !!!



http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/vincent-tabak-trial-court-arrivals-england-bristol-ext-news-footage/692151396

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/28/joanna-yeates-case-vincent-tabak



Double Edit... The image I have found of the LinkedIn Karen Thomas isn't the one we know from The Crimewatch Program..

Image attached

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I'm going to stick with this idea that many so called 'Police Officers" are actually just civilians....

When I talked of "Operation Jupiter"    http://slidegur.com/doc/5830427/presentation

It has Tracey Hayler down as  Chief Superintendent Tracy Hayler ... yet her LinkedIn profile doesn't ever mention such a role within Avon and Somerset Constabulary.....

Head of Strategic Alliances
Company NameAvon and Somerset Constabulary
Dates EmployedJun 2010 – Jan 2015  Employment Duration4 yrs 8 mos
LocationBristol, United Kingdom
Directed and delivered a large, complex programme of change within a significant public sector service provider. The interdisciplinary programme delivered new infrastructure to support and enable excellent services to the communities of Avon and Somerset in the context of reducing finances.
Delivered a more mobile and flexible workforce, operating within communities, in fewer, and more sustainable buildings through underpinning technology and streamlined processes.
Developed, negotiated and managed strategic partnerships involving public and private sector. Exploring every opportunity for integration of services, or co-location with partners.
Responsible for ensuring the successful delivery of services and transformation, leading the client side team of multi disciplinary subject matter experts in. Finance, HR, IT, Estates, infrastructure and logistics.
Leadership, coaching, mentoring, strategic development, partnership engagement and problem solving.
Ensuring delivery of excellent services by and to the organisation, leading commercial negotiations and financial management.
Providing consultancy services and advice and actively engaged in supporting and advising other public sector organisations at local, regional and national level, including the HMIC, Home Office and Cabinet Office.

So I believe they allow the public to think that these people are "Real Police Officers".... when in actual fact they aren't...

So how many real "Policemen" were involved in "The Joanna Yeates Murder case "????

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracyhayler/?ppe=1

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I'm coming back to these facebook posts of Greg's...

Greg Beardon
28 October 2010
Greg Reardon The Free stuff extravaganza continues!
07919 593206
Hit me up if you fancy any of this....
- Lange Comp 120 ski boots. Stiff and Size 9, seen some action but wearable.
- Scott Worldcup poles. 130cm, Missmatching pair from different years but same weight, length and handle shape. Matching black Spyder 'cut down' pole guards for serious racey types.
- Scott slalom helmet. Mens large. Need a free helmet for racing in? This is it! Blue and red with chin guard and again, seen some action but perfectly good.
Pick up from Canynge Road in Clifton.
Cans of booze would be appreciated to secure the deal as interest will indeed be high!
Greg

And the earlier one ...

Greg Beardon
16 October 2010
Anybody want free skis?
I've got two pairs of knackered-but-good-for-dryslope twintips.
175cm 2005? Dynastar Troublemakers with Salomon 914 bindings on lifters.
(Big gouge in base of one ski, bindings work but show their age considerably. Skis still have stiffness to them and have been used for uni dryslope racing recently).
179cm 2006? K2 Fujatives with factory salomon 916 race bindings.
(Skis are in decent nick but have lost a lot of stiffness. Bindings on last legs. Skis still useful for UK trips and for trashing on brandon hill. Last used by Hickman in the Redbull Peak in the Park big air.)
Free to a good home, pick up from Clifton. Call 07919 593206.
Cheers,
g

It's the name of the group... UWE Snowsports Racers  I never took much notice of it before to be honest... But it's what the  UWE stands for that's important....

University of the West of England, Bristol....

Which brings more questions... was Greg attending the University??

How many people at Bristol University knew about Greg and Joanna Yeates...  Did someone from the University come to there home at 44, Canygne Road ???

Is this the reason that the Police where interested in The University ???

Maybe Bristol University does have a connection to this case... Just not in the way the media published in Dec?Jan 2010/2011..

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The University of the West of England, Bristol is a public university located in and around Bristol, United Kingdom. Wikipedia
Address: Coldharbour Ln, Stoke Gifford, Bristol BS16 1QY
Phone: 0117 965 6261
Total enrollment: 28,679 (2015)
Chancellor: Ian Carruthers
Vice-chancellor: Steven West
Undergraduate tuition and fees: 9,000 GBP (2016), International tuition: 11,750 GBP (2016)
Colors: Black, White, Red

Just noticed it.... The colours "Black , White and Red"


I knew that Joanna Yeates flat had been staged... couldn't get the colour association... I think it stares us in the face, the Front room says it all..


They're the colours of the University...!!!

So what had the University have to do with Joanna Yeates ???

I am now wondering about the choice of wall paint... Yellow is used a lot in the University student rooms ...

Is the staging of Joanna Yeates flat supposed to represent a flat in The University???

Because I do not believe that the images we know of the flat are true....(IMO)...





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[mrswah]

Bristol University and the UWE are actually two different universities, both in Bristol------which explains why Bristol is full of students, halls of residence, and uni buildings!!

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Bristol University and the UWE are actually two different universities, both in Bristol------which explains why Bristol is full of students, halls of residence, and uni buildings!!

yes mrswah UWE is in Filton I believe.. So do you think there a connection to Joanna Yeates ??

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UWE do their training at Gloucester Ski and Snowboard centre ..



This centre opens till late at night... They have sessions till 9:45pm

Did Joanna Yeates frequent this place ???

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I presume the Birches must have called the emergency services when they discovered what they say was Joanna Yeates on Longwood Lane ...

Why didn't they touch the body??

Why didn't the person on the other side of the telephone go through the normal questions??


When you ring 999 they ask which service you want... If they found a body surely the ambulance would have turned up first, to see if they could do anything.... But they don't.... why ????

How did they know she was dead???

We had No ambulance turn up immediately after she was discovered... 

If the Birches couldn't see her how did they know that it was her ???

It could have been anyone in the snow... They might have been suffering from hypothermia... Why didn't the emergency services turn up immediately... Instead of waiting till 5:00pm to remove her to the mortuary..

Why didn't they turn up to see if this person was alive ???

They all acted like they knew that it was her and she was already dead.... when they couldn't possibly have known that without checking the body first.... (IMO)

Edit....  No one could know at the moment she was found how long she had been there for... So why didn't the ambulance turn up when the Birches called the Emergency Services ???

She might have been there a couple of hours if she had been abducted... How would the Birches know that !!??

Or more to the point... How would the person who took the call know NOT to send an Ambulance ????

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Thinking about Procedure.... 

Recovery of the deceased and human remains

If there are deceased people at the scene, a medical doctor, pathologist or appropriately qualified paramedic should attend to pronounce life extinct. Deceased persons and human remains should not be removed from the scene until authorised by the coroner.

A written audit account must be made of:

the person(s) who undertook the examination
the actions they took
who pronounced life extinct
when this was done.
Managers must monitor the physical, emotional and psychological welfare of their staff when attending an incident.

If nobody touched Joanna yeates when they found her how did they know she was dead when Dr Delaney didn't turn up till later ??

Who pronounced life EXTINCT????

Again I will say... why wasn't an ambulance called straight away ????

Operational plan (SERM plan)
The SERM develops an operational plan for the recovery of the deceased, human remains, property and evidence. The plan should be approved by the SIM and senior investigating officer (SIO).

It contains:

a risk assessment of the scene
the health and safety procedures to be adopted (including personal protective equipment)
details for establishing a holding audit area (HAA) for the deceased persons and human remains
a property and evidence audit area.

They could only do this if they knew she was already dead !!!


The Role of The Fire and Rescue

Fire and rescue service

The role of the fire and rescue service in an emergency or major incident is to rescue those trapped by fire, wreckage or debris. They may also support the recovery of deceased persons and human remains. The fire and rescue service has an urban search and rescue capability. They can assist in recovering the deceased and human remains from constricted sites, collapsed buildings or from the wreckage of transport incidents.

What constricted site was Joanna Yeates located ????

https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/civil-emergencies/disaster-victim-identification/recovery-of-the-deceased-and-human-remains/

https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/civil-emergencies/disaster-victim-identification/#fire-and-rescue-service

[mrswah]

yes mrswah UWE is in Filton I believe.. So do you think there a connection to Joanna Yeates ??

I don't know.

However, I can tell you why yellow is often used in classrooms (and, from what you suggest), in university rooms. It is supposed to be a colour that is conducive to learning. I was told that during my teaching days!

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Why does the Polices Nick Gargan say that the Joanna Yeates case was "Not " an Ordinary case"...

It's not ordinary Police practice to release details and press release to say somebody isn't a suspect anymore. But then again this wasn't an ordinary case.

Quote from video...


What was so out of the ordinary for this Case ???

Was it an abduction ??

The statement made by Nick Gargan is made in 2013... So why is this case 'NOT ORDINARY"??????

It seemed Ordinary enough at trial.... So it wasn't Dr Vincent Tabak!

Come on Avon and Somerset police.... it's time to tell us the truth about The Joanna Yeates Case.....(IMO)...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2013/sep/16/chris-jefferies-joanna-yeates-landlord-police-letter-video