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Offline justsaying

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1875 on: October 06, 2018, 06:28:48 PM »
A very good round up of the facts

Clegg: In your first statement, you lied, Why did you liew?
I was hoping that they didn’t have enough evidence  and was hoping they would let me go.
Clegg: When did you realise that they hasd enough evidence
When I leant that they found SDNA on the body.
You met Brother ton and told him  whay you did.
Did you want to kill oanna: 
No definitely not
(sic)

The evidence speaks for itself, and so does his confession...

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1876 on: October 07, 2018, 07:43:13 AM »
You continue to make valid points Nine and it seems to me from the evidence you bring here (I haven't read it all btw) that the anomalies in this case are vast.

Nine - Have you heard of my side bias and the concept illusion of explanatory depth?

« Last Edit: October 07, 2018, 08:03:31 AM by Stephanie »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline [...]

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1877 on: October 07, 2018, 10:31:34 AM »
Nine - Have you heard of my side bias and the concept illusion of explanatory depth?

Sorry never heard of the term...  I'll have to google it..

Quote
The Illusion of Explanatory Depth
If you asked one hundred people on the street if they understand how a refrigerator works, most would respond, yes, they do. But ask them to then produce a detailed, step-by-step explanation of how exactly a refrigerator works and you would likely hear silence or stammering. This powerful but inaccurate feeling of knowing is what Leonid Rozenblit and Frank Keil in 2002 termed, the illusion of explanatory depth (IOED), stating, “Most people feel they understand the world with far greater detail, coherence, and depth than they really do.”

Therefore applying this to myself... I have no understanding of the workings of the law... I have no understanding of this case...

The information that is Missing makes it impossible to have an accurate evaluation of what took place and who or who not was involved and to what capacity....

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

I find myself questioning my self about this case and whether or not it is real, There are too many possibilities, there are too many questions left unanswered.. And I always have more....

This is a 'Missing Persons Inquiry for all intense and purposes...  A Crime as far as we are made aware of at the start of this Inquiry has not been committed...  We do not know what we are searching for... And what I mean by that is we do not know what is Missing and what is left behind...

The Flat that was frozen in time

I know it's not frozen in time.... I can see it's not frozen in time.... So what time is it supposed to be Frozen in...???

Greg Reardon....  Greg has been back to the Flat according to the information we are aware of, from around 8:00pm on Sunday the 19th December 2010,...  Now we know nothing about Greg... We know nothing about his habits or whether or not he has OCD for instance... But the little we do know on what happened when he arrived home and what was left behind, has been documented all over the media..

* Arrived home 8:00pm Sunday 19th December 2010

* Cleaned up cat trays

* Fed Bernard

* Drunk from an open bottle of cider

* Had Pizza for his tea

* Tidied up the Flat

* Looked through Joanna Yeates clothes to see what she was wearing

* Went back outside to his car

* Was in the Flat for hours before ringing The Yeates ( around midnight)

* Rung CJ (around midnight)

* Rung Joanna Yeates phone at 9;00pm

* found phone in her coat pocket

* Searched her rucksack at around 11:00pm

* Found her Glasses, keys, bankcards

* Rings the Police at 12:45am on Monday 20th December 2010

There obviously was NO signs of a struggle in the Flat, there can't have been, And if there had have been Greg Reardon had already tidied up what every signs may have been there, making the Flat NOT FROZEN IN TIME....

We decide for ourselves that Greg Reardon must have gone to stay with someone... But why? This is a Missing Persons Inquiry, a crime has not been committed yet as far as we know..... So that stands to reason that Greg Reardon would still be residing in his Flat waiting for his girlfriend to hopefully return home...

He would sleep in the bed... he would watch TV possibily, he would make food maybe... He would brush his teeth, he would use the toilet, he would shower... He would have been around every part of that Flat... He may have sat at the dining table... He may have sat on the settees... He may have gone in and out of the flat putting up posters... Bring debris, back into the Flat...

Why would he not stay there?? She is a Missing Person... What other Indications where there that she wasn't?

And more importantly why would Greg leave the Flat?

He wouldn't (imo) He would be out looking for her, or pace back and forwards inside the flat waiting on her return....  he would want to be near the house phone just incase she rings..

So realistically he isn't going anywhere... He has no reason too... And we have days until she is discovered when anything could have happened inside that Flat....

He could have carried on with the painting to try and take his mind off things, he would have had visitors maybe supporting him in his hours of need...  The media footage of the tour of the Flat and the images of the flat show what?? A virtually empty flat... where there is no signs of Greg ever living there.... No bedding... no carpets... No TV no appliances in the kitchen, yet everyone has accepted that this is how the flat looked since the day that Joanna yeates went Missing.... No christmas Tree....

It can't be.... It simply can't be....

So any forensics that may have been collected from the flat are virtually useless... Seeing as we have had... The Police... Mr and Mrs Yeates, Greg Reardon all being inside this flat before any forensics had been done.....

How did The Yeates not notice any blood when they arrived?? 43 significant Injuries blood in her hair and dripping from her nose.... Enough blood was produced that a smear of said blood was apparently found on the wall at Longwood Lane... And if we are to believe a spot was found on the rubber seal of the car that Dr Vincent tabak used...

Yet not a smidgen of blood inside what is supposed to be the original scene of crime.... Nothing on the walls... Nothing on the bed... nothing on the carpets... nothing in the kitchen...

Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have place Joanna Yeates on the bed.... blood surely would have trickled or smeared on the bed....

He then has taken her around to his flat and placed her down... surely blood would have trickled or smeared somewhere there...

But no... It only manages to appear on a rubber seal in a car boot and on a wall on Longwood lane...

Dr Vincent Tabak didn't go around tidying up the scene of crime... He left took Joanna Yeates around to his house for an hour and then put her in the boot and drove to Asda's.... Really , ones gonna pop to the shops...

So if he didn't tidy the scene and Greg and The Yeates didn't see any signs of blood in the Flat, she cannot have been killed there....

The Yeates would have said that there was blood in the flat... They have done so many interviews for documentaries and not once do they say that there was evidence of blood....

So the automatic response then has to be that Greg cleaned it up.... But why would he do that??? Why would he lie about what took place... And why go to trial and tell his story on the stand.... So if Greg didn't need to clean any blood up and The Yeates didn't notice any blood... Joanna Yeates wasn't killed in her flat.... It stands to reason...

So how can that FLAT be frozen in time?? When there are so many possibilities as to who stayed there and who used what, whilst waiting for news on the whereabout of Joanna Yeates...

So how can a flat be presented to the jury as a scene of Crime when there was nothing to suggest that this is indeed the place that Joanna Yeates met her fate?

And more to the point,, why didn't the defence notice the condition of the Flat and lack of evidence within this flat??

Did it not make him question his clients story??

I don't get it... Clegg a man of reputation, a man who has been educated in the law, a man that should know what a crime scene look like, never once stops to look at his client and ask him how on earth he managed to do this crime... (imo)..

Mr Tabak, how did you manage to get into said Flat??

Mr Tabak how did you manage not to leave any traces behind if you say you are guilty of this crime....

Mr Tabak, could you tell me where the TV was positioned?

Mr Tabak, could you tell me the colour of the oven?

Mr Tabak could you tell me what the bed looked like that you placed Miss Yeates upon...

Mr Tabak, where was Miss Yeates cat at the time of the attack??

Mr Tabak, could you describe Bernard to me...

Mr Tabak, what type of lock did Miss yeates door have??

Mr Tabak when did you grab your coat back of the stand???

Mr Tabak, did you go back to collect your coat??

Mr Tabak , did you wrap Miss Yeates in your coat....

Mr Tabak we can see from the CCTV image that you had your coat on on the 19th January 2011

Mr Tabak, were you wearing your coat when you carried Miss Yeates??

Mr Tabak was Miss Yeates bleeding ??

Mr Tabak, did any of Miss Yeates blood get onto your coat??

Mr Tabak did you have Miss Yeates head near your coat as you carried her??

Mr Tabak what other clothes were you wearing that evening?

Mr tabak have you still got these clothes??

Mr Tabak, If you didn't have blood on your coat, did any blood transfer to any of your other clothes??

Mr Tabak did you dispose of these clothes....

Mr Tabak, Did you have the red top on we can see you wearing in Asda??

Mr Tabak, did you take a shower??

Mr Tabak did you clean the blood evidence from the Flat??

Mr Tabak why the need to turn off the TV??

Mr Tabak, do you think that I believe your story??


The list is endless... So what of the answers....

To establish that Dr Vincent Tabak is telling the truth, one needs to establish how it was even a possibility...

How a man who had No connection to a victim, would be incited into a home, commit a violent act and leave no traces whatsoever of said act having been committed inside said Flat....

And no evidence on ones person of said person committing said act...

I don't know what lawyers really do, yes they apply the law, but do they not question what their client states.. Do they just accept a story no matter how implausible said story is, and No Evidence to back up said story....

The DNA and Fibres could be explained away.... But what about how it would be possible to commit this violent act on a woman in her own home who I would imagined putting up a fight for her life, where when her boyfriend came home, he didn't notice that any signs of said violent struggle had taken place... And not just him... Her parents failed to notice any signs of a violent struggle taking place in said flat....

Her mother I would be sure... Would have combed every inch of that flat looking for something that may indicate where her daughter may or may not have gone.... Giving her opportunity, to see signs of a struggle...

Teresa Yeates tells us that the minute they received the phone call, she knew something was untoward... Her and David came straight to Bristol to start looking for her.... So if she suspected foul play or an abduction, I am of the belief that she would have been looking for signs of foul play whilst she was in that flat...

But there cannot have been any.... maybe that is why she believed that Joanna Yeates was abducted... So how did Dr Vincent Tabak manage to kill Joanna Yeates in said Flat without leaving any traces behind?? Or leaving any traces of Joanna Yeates on himself or in his own flat??

So NO.... That Flat is NOT FROZEN IN TIME.... It never was!!

And if we are to believe that fibres from Dr Vincent Tabak's coat  were on Miss Yeates, then how and when did that happen?? You would guess he must have had his coat on at sometime whilst being in direct contact with her... Therefore how did he manage not to transfer any blood whatsoever onto said coat??

He either took his coat around to his flat when he popped around there to panic for a moment, when he realised she was dead... meaning his clothing he was wearing at the time would have had evidence of said violent act... Or he put his coat on and buttoned it up before carrying Miss yeates around to his flat, leaving untold traces of blood on said coat....

But at trial we have neither.... No mention of what he wore that evening and no mention of nay blood transfer on either his coat or his clothes....

Odd that.... !!

These are the type of questions I would have expected the defence to ask there client... They do not know him... He could be a serial story teller... But the evidence that has been shown, in itself casts doubt on the story told on the stand...

We know Dr Vincent Tabak had his black coat on in Asda.... So.... where is the evidence upon it.... and shouldn't the defence have questioned that!!

Offline [...]

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1878 on: October 07, 2018, 10:42:18 AM »
Ok... The media told us that fibres were found on said black coat... I do not know what the media tell us is true...

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Traces of Yeates's blood were discovered in the boot of Tabak's car, the court heard. Fibres found on Yeates's body indicated she had come into contact with Tabak's black coat and his silver Renault Mégane, the prosecution claimed.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/11/vincent-tabak-joanna-yeates

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1879 on: October 07, 2018, 10:58:21 AM »
Nine - Have you heard of my side bias and the concept illusion of explanatory depth?



Sorry never heard of the term...  I'll have to google it..

Therefore applying this to myself... I have no understanding of the workings of the law... I have no understanding of this case...

The information that is Missing makes it impossible to have an accurate evaluation of what took place and who or who not was involved and to what capacity....

What about myside bias?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1880 on: October 07, 2018, 11:00:53 AM »
Sorry never heard of the term...  I'll have to google it..

Therefore applying this to myself... I have no understanding of the workings of the law... I have no understanding of this case...

The information that is Missing makes it impossible to have an accurate evaluation of what took place and who or who not was involved and to what capacity....

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

I find myself questioning my self about this case and whether or not it is real, There are too many possibilities, there are too many questions left unanswered.. And I always have more....

This is a 'Missing Persons Inquiry for all intense and purposes...  A Crime as far as we are made aware of at the start of this Inquiry has not been committed...  We do not know what we are searching for... And what I mean by that is we do not know what is Missing and what is left behind...

The Flat that was frozen in time

I know it's not frozen in time.... I can see it's not frozen in time.... So what time is it supposed to be Frozen in...???

Greg Reardon....  Greg has been back to the Flat according to the information we are aware of, from around 8:00pm on Sunday the 19th December 2010,...  Now we know nothing about Greg... We know nothing about his habits or whether or not he has OCD for instance... But the little we do know on what happened when he arrived home and what was left behind, has been documented all over the media..

* Arrived home 8:00pm Sunday 19th December 2010

* Cleaned up cat trays

* Fed Bernard

* Drunk from an open bottle of cider

* Had Pizza for his tea

* Tidied up the Flat

* Looked through Joanna Yeates clothes to see what she was wearing

* Went back outside to his car

* Was in the Flat for hours before ringing The Yeates ( around midnight)

* Rung CJ (around midnight)

* Rung Joanna Yeates phone at 9;00pm

* found phone in her coat pocket

* Searched her rucksack at around 11:00pm

* Found her Glasses, keys, bankcards

* Rings the Police at 12:45am on Monday 20th December 2010

There obviously was NO signs of a struggle in the Flat, there can't have been, And if there had have been Greg Reardon had already tidied up what every signs may have been there, making the Flat NOT FROZEN IN TIME....

We decide for ourselves that Greg Reardon must have gone to stay with someone... But why? This is a Missing Persons Inquiry, a crime has not been committed yet as far as we know..... So that stands to reason that Greg Reardon would still be residing in his Flat waiting for his girlfriend to hopefully return home...

He would sleep in the bed... he would watch TV possibily, he would make food maybe... He would brush his teeth, he would use the toilet, he would shower... He would have been around every part of that Flat... He may have sat at the dining table... He may have sat on the settees... He may have gone in and out of the flat putting up posters... Bring debris, back into the Flat...

Why would he not stay there?? She is a Missing Person... What other Indications where there that she wasn't?

And more importantly why would Greg leave the Flat?

He wouldn't (imo) He would be out looking for her, or pace back and forwards inside the flat waiting on her return....  he would want to be near the house phone just incase she rings..

So realistically he isn't going anywhere... He has no reason too... And we have days until she is discovered when anything could have happened inside that Flat....

He could have carried on with the painting to try and take his mind off things, he would have had visitors maybe supporting him in his hours of need...  The media footage of the tour of the Flat and the images of the flat show what?? A virtually empty flat... where there is no signs of Greg ever living there.... No bedding... no carpets... No TV no appliances in the kitchen, yet everyone has accepted that this is how the flat looked since the day that Joanna yeates went Missing.... No christmas Tree....

It can't be.... It simply can't be....

So any forensics that may have been collected from the flat are virtually useless... Seeing as we have had... The Police... Mr and Mrs Yeates, Greg Reardon all being inside this flat before any forensics had been done.....

How did The Yeates not notice any blood when they arrived?? 43 significant Injuries blood in her hair and dripping from her nose.... Enough blood was produced that a smear of said blood was apparently found on the wall at Longwood Lane... And if we are to believe a spot was found on the rubber seal of the car that Dr Vincent tabak used...

Yet not a smidgen of blood inside what is supposed to be the original scene of crime.... Nothing on the walls... Nothing on the bed... nothing on the carpets... nothing in the kitchen...

Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have place Joanna Yeates on the bed.... blood surely would have trickled or smeared on the bed....

He then has taken her around to his flat and placed her down... surely blood would have trickled or smeared somewhere there...

But no... It only manages to appear on a rubber seal in a car boot and on a wall on Longwood lane...

Dr Vincent Tabak didn't go around tidying up the scene of crime... He left took Joanna Yeates around to his house for an hour and then put her in the boot and drove to Asda's.... Really , ones gonna pop to the shops...

So if he didn't tidy the scene and Greg and The Yeates didn't see any signs of blood in the Flat, she cannot have been killed there....

The Yeates would have said that there was blood in the flat... They have done so many interviews for documentaries and not once do they say that there was evidence of blood....

So the automatic response then has to be that Greg cleaned it up.... But why would he do that??? Why would he lie about what took place... And why go to trial and tell his story on the stand.... So if Greg didn't need to clean any blood up and The Yeates didn't notice any blood... Joanna Yeates wasn't killed in her flat.... It stands to reason...

So how can that FLAT be frozen in time?? When there are so many possibilities as to who stayed there and who used what, whilst waiting for news on the whereabout of Joanna Yeates...

So how can a flat be presented to the jury as a scene of Crime when there was nothing to suggest that this is indeed the place that Joanna Yeates met her fate?

And more to the point,, why didn't the defence notice the condition of the Flat and lack of evidence within this flat??

Did it not make him question his clients story??

I don't get it... Clegg a man of reputation, a man who has been educated in the law, a man that should know what a crime scene look like, never once stops to look at his client and ask him how on earth he managed to do this crime... (imo)..

Mr Tabak, how did you manage to get into said Flat??

Mr Tabak how did you manage not to leave any traces behind if you say you are guilty of this crime....

Mr Tabak, could you tell me where the TV was positioned?

Mr Tabak, could you tell me the colour of the oven?

Mr Tabak could you tell me what the bed looked like that you placed Miss Yeates upon...

Mr Tabak, where was Miss Yeates cat at the time of the attack??

Mr Tabak, could you describe Bernard to me...

Mr Tabak, what type of lock did Miss yeates door have??

Mr Tabak when did you grab your coat back of the stand???

Mr Tabak, did you go back to collect your coat??

Mr Tabak , did you wrap Miss Yeates in your coat....

Mr Tabak we can see from the CCTV image that you had your coat on on the 19th January 2011

Mr Tabak, were you wearing your coat when you carried Miss Yeates??

Mr Tabak was Miss Yeates bleeding ??

Mr Tabak, did any of Miss Yeates blood get onto your coat??

Mr Tabak did you have Miss Yeates head near your coat as you carried her??

Mr Tabak what other clothes were you wearing that evening?

Mr tabak have you still got these clothes??

Mr Tabak, If you didn't have blood on your coat, did any blood transfer to any of your other clothes??

Mr Tabak did you dispose of these clothes....

Mr Tabak, Did you have the red top on we can see you wearing in Asda??

Mr Tabak, did you take a shower??

Mr Tabak did you clean the blood evidence from the Flat??

Mr Tabak why the need to turn off the TV??

Mr Tabak, do you think that I believe your story??


The list is endless... So what of the answers....

To establish that Dr Vincent Tabak is telling the truth, one needs to establish how it was even a possibility...

How a man who had No connection to a victim, would be incited into a home, commit a violent act and leave no traces whatsoever of said act having been committed inside said Flat....

And no evidence on ones person of said person committing said act...

I don't know what lawyers really do, yes they apply the law, but do they not question what their client states.. Do they just accept a story no matter how implausible said story is, and No Evidence to back up said story....

The DNA and Fibres could be explained away.... But what about how it would be possible to commit this violent act on a woman in her own home who I would imagined putting up a fight for her life, where when her boyfriend came home, he didn't notice that any signs of said violent struggle had taken place... And not just him... Her parents failed to notice any signs of a violent struggle taking place in said flat....

Her mother I would be sure... Would have combed every inch of that flat looking for something that may indicate where her daughter may or may not have gone.... Giving her opportunity, to see signs of a struggle...

Teresa Yeates tells us that the minute they received the phone call, she knew something was untoward... Her and David came straight to Bristol to start looking for her.... So if she suspected foul play or an abduction, I am of the belief that she would have been looking for signs of foul play whilst she was in that flat...

But there cannot have been any.... maybe that is why she believed that Joanna Yeates was abducted... So how did Dr Vincent Tabak manage to kill Joanna Yeates in said Flat without leaving any traces behind?? Or leaving any traces of Joanna Yeates on himself or in his own flat??

So NO.... That Flat is NOT FROZEN IN TIME.... It never was!!

And if we are to believe that fibres from Dr Vincent Tabak's coat  were on Miss Yeates, then how and when did that happen?? You would guess he must have had his coat on at sometime whilst being in direct contact with her... Therefore how did he manage not to transfer any blood whatsoever onto said coat??

He either took his coat around to his flat when he popped around there to panic for a moment, when he realised she was dead... meaning his clothing he was wearing at the time would have had evidence of said violent act... Or he put his coat on and buttoned it up before carrying Miss yeates around to his flat, leaving untold traces of blood on said coat....

But at trial we have neither.... No mention of what he wore that evening and no mention of nay blood transfer on either his coat or his clothes....

Odd that.... !!

These are the type of questions I would have expected the defence to ask there client... They do not know him... He could be a serial story teller... But the evidence that has been shown, in itself casts doubt on the story told on the stand...

We know Dr Vincent Tabak had his black coat on in Asda.... So.... where is the evidence upon it.... and shouldn't the defence have questioned that!!

It will help you if you separate the facts from the myths. Reality as opposed to the illusion
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1881 on: October 07, 2018, 11:03:30 AM »
Sorry never heard of the term...  I'll have to google it..

Therefore applying this to myself... I have no understanding of the workings of the law... I have no understanding of this case...

The information that is Missing makes it impossible to have an accurate evaluation of what took place and who or who not was involved and to what capacity....

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

I find myself questioning my self about this case and whether or not it is real, There are too many possibilities, there are too many questions left unanswered.. And I always have more....

This is a 'Missing Persons Inquiry for all intense and purposes...  A Crime as far as we are made aware of at the start of this Inquiry has not been committed...  We do not know what we are searching for... And what I mean by that is we do not know what is Missing and what is left behind...

The Flat that was frozen in time

I know it's not frozen in time.... I can see it's not frozen in time.... So what time is it supposed to be Frozen in...???

Greg Reardon....  Greg has been back to the Flat according to the information we are aware of, from around 8:00pm on Sunday the 19th December 2010,...  Now we know nothing about Greg... We know nothing about his habits or whether or not he has OCD for instance... But the little we do know on what happened when he arrived home and what was left behind, has been documented all over the media..

* Arrived home 8:00pm Sunday 19th December 2010

* Cleaned up cat trays

* Fed Bernard

* Drunk from an open bottle of cider

* Had Pizza for his tea

* Tidied up the Flat

* Looked through Joanna Yeates clothes to see what she was wearing

* Went back outside to his car

* Was in the Flat for hours before ringing The Yeates ( around midnight)

* Rung CJ (around midnight)

* Rung Joanna Yeates phone at 9;00pm

* found phone in her coat pocket

* Searched her rucksack at around 11:00pm

* Found her Glasses, keys, bankcards

* Rings the Police at 12:45am on Monday 20th December 2010

There obviously was NO signs of a struggle in the Flat, there can't have been, And if there had have been Greg Reardon had already tidied up what every signs may have been there, making the Flat NOT FROZEN IN TIME....

We decide for ourselves that Greg Reardon must have gone to stay with someone... But why? This is a Missing Persons Inquiry, a crime has not been committed yet as far as we know..... So that stands to reason that Greg Reardon would still be residing in his Flat waiting for his girlfriend to hopefully return home...

He would sleep in the bed... he would watch TV possibily, he would make food maybe... He would brush his teeth, he would use the toilet, he would shower... He would have been around every part of that Flat... He may have sat at the dining table... He may have sat on the settees... He may have gone in and out of the flat putting up posters... Bring debris, back into the Flat...

Why would he not stay there?? She is a Missing Person... What other Indications where there that she wasn't?

And more importantly why would Greg leave the Flat?

He wouldn't (imo) He would be out looking for her, or pace back and forwards inside the flat waiting on her return....  he would want to be near the house phone just incase she rings..

So realistically he isn't going anywhere... He has no reason too... And we have days until she is discovered when anything could have happened inside that Flat....

He could have carried on with the painting to try and take his mind off things, he would have had visitors maybe supporting him in his hours of need...  The media footage of the tour of the Flat and the images of the flat show what?? A virtually empty flat... where there is no signs of Greg ever living there.... No bedding... no carpets... No TV no appliances in the kitchen, yet everyone has accepted that this is how the flat looked since the day that Joanna yeates went Missing.... No christmas Tree....

It can't be.... It simply can't be....

So any forensics that may have been collected from the flat are virtually useless... Seeing as we have had... The Police... Mr and Mrs Yeates, Greg Reardon all being inside this flat before any forensics had been done.....

How did The Yeates not notice any blood when they arrived?? 43 significant Injuries blood in her hair and dripping from her nose.... Enough blood was produced that a smear of said blood was apparently found on the wall at Longwood Lane... And if we are to believe a spot was found on the rubber seal of the car that Dr Vincent tabak used...

Yet not a smidgen of blood inside what is supposed to be the original scene of crime.... Nothing on the walls... Nothing on the bed... nothing on the carpets... nothing in the kitchen...

Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have place Joanna Yeates on the bed.... blood surely would have trickled or smeared on the bed....

He then has taken her around to his flat and placed her down... surely blood would have trickled or smeared somewhere there...

But no... It only manages to appear on a rubber seal in a car boot and on a wall on Longwood lane...

Dr Vincent Tabak didn't go around tidying up the scene of crime... He left took Joanna Yeates around to his house for an hour and then put her in the boot and drove to Asda's.... Really , ones gonna pop to the shops...

So if he didn't tidy the scene and Greg and The Yeates didn't see any signs of blood in the Flat, she cannot have been killed there....

The Yeates would have said that there was blood in the flat... They have done so many interviews for documentaries and not once do they say that there was evidence of blood....

So the automatic response then has to be that Greg cleaned it up.... But why would he do that??? Why would he lie about what took place... And why go to trial and tell his story on the stand.... So if Greg didn't need to clean any blood up and The Yeates didn't notice any blood... Joanna Yeates wasn't killed in her flat.... It stands to reason...

So how can that FLAT be frozen in time?? When there are so many possibilities as to who stayed there and who used what, whilst waiting for news on the whereabout of Joanna Yeates...

So how can a flat be presented to the jury as a scene of Crime when there was nothing to suggest that this is indeed the place that Joanna Yeates met her fate?

And more to the point,, why didn't the defence notice the condition of the Flat and lack of evidence within this flat??

Did it not make him question his clients story??

I don't get it... Clegg a man of reputation, a man who has been educated in the law, a man that should know what a crime scene look like, never once stops to look at his client and ask him how on earth he managed to do this crime... (imo)..

Mr Tabak, how did you manage to get into said Flat??

Mr Tabak how did you manage not to leave any traces behind if you say you are guilty of this crime....

Mr Tabak, could you tell me where the TV was positioned?

Mr Tabak, could you tell me the colour of the oven?

Mr Tabak could you tell me what the bed looked like that you placed Miss Yeates upon...

Mr Tabak, where was Miss Yeates cat at the time of the attack??

Mr Tabak, could you describe Bernard to me...

Mr Tabak, what type of lock did Miss yeates door have??

Mr Tabak when did you grab your coat back of the stand???

Mr Tabak, did you go back to collect your coat??

Mr Tabak , did you wrap Miss Yeates in your coat....

Mr Tabak we can see from the CCTV image that you had your coat on on the 19th January 2011

Mr Tabak, were you wearing your coat when you carried Miss Yeates??

Mr Tabak was Miss Yeates bleeding ??

Mr Tabak, did any of Miss Yeates blood get onto your coat??

Mr Tabak did you have Miss Yeates head near your coat as you carried her??

Mr Tabak what other clothes were you wearing that evening?

Mr tabak have you still got these clothes??

Mr Tabak, If you didn't have blood on your coat, did any blood transfer to any of your other clothes??

Mr Tabak did you dispose of these clothes....

Mr Tabak, Did you have the red top on we can see you wearing in Asda??

Mr Tabak, did you take a shower??

Mr Tabak did you clean the blood evidence from the Flat??

Mr Tabak why the need to turn off the TV??

Mr Tabak, do you think that I believe your story??


The list is endless... So what of the answers....

To establish that Dr Vincent Tabak is telling the truth, one needs to establish how it was even a possibility...

How a man who had No connection to a victim, would be incited into a home, commit a violent act and leave no traces whatsoever of said act having been committed inside said Flat....

And no evidence on ones person of said person committing said act...

I don't know what lawyers really do, yes they apply the law, but do they not question what their client states.. Do they just accept a story no matter how implausible said story is, and No Evidence to back up said story....

The DNA and Fibres could be explained away.... But what about how it would be possible to commit this violent act on a woman in her own home who I would imagined putting up a fight for her life, where when her boyfriend came home, he didn't notice that any signs of said violent struggle had taken place... And not just him... Her parents failed to notice any signs of a violent struggle taking place in said flat....

Her mother I would be sure... Would have combed every inch of that flat looking for something that may indicate where her daughter may or may not have gone.... Giving her opportunity, to see signs of a struggle...

Teresa Yeates tells us that the minute they received the phone call, she knew something was untoward... Her and David came straight to Bristol to start looking for her.... So if she suspected foul play or an abduction, I am of the belief that she would have been looking for signs of foul play whilst she was in that flat...

But there cannot have been any.... maybe that is why she believed that Joanna Yeates was abducted... So how did Dr Vincent Tabak manage to kill Joanna Yeates in said Flat without leaving any traces behind?? Or leaving any traces of Joanna Yeates on himself or in his own flat??

So NO.... That Flat is NOT FROZEN IN TIME.... It never was!!

And if we are to believe that fibres from Dr Vincent Tabak's coat  were on Miss Yeates, then how and when did that happen?? You would guess he must have had his coat on at sometime whilst being in direct contact with her... Therefore how did he manage not to transfer any blood whatsoever onto said coat??

He either took his coat around to his flat when he popped around there to panic for a moment, when he realised she was dead... meaning his clothing he was wearing at the time would have had evidence of said violent act... Or he put his coat on and buttoned it up before carrying Miss yeates around to his flat, leaving untold traces of blood on said coat....

But at trial we have neither.... No mention of what he wore that evening and no mention of nay blood transfer on either his coat or his clothes....

Odd that.... !!

These are the type of questions I would have expected the defence to ask there client... They do not know him... He could be a serial story teller... But the evidence that has been shown, in itself casts doubt on the story told on the stand...

We know Dr Vincent Tabak had his black coat on in Asda.... So.... where is the evidence upon it.... and shouldn't the defence have questioned that!!

You are allowing your bias to take over objective arguement

I've no idea who set up the following http://vincent-tabak-is-innocent.blogspot.com nor do I care but after reading in bold "Vincent Tabak has a PhD" I didn't need to read anything else.

So what he has a PhD, Psychopaths often do. 
« Last Edit: October 07, 2018, 11:09:03 AM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1882 on: October 07, 2018, 11:11:11 AM »
Sorry never heard of the term...  I'll have to google it..

Therefore applying this to myself... I have no understanding of the workings of the law... I have no understanding of this case...

The information that is Missing makes it impossible to have an accurate evaluation of what took place and who or who not was involved and to what capacity....

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

I find myself questioning my self about this case and whether or not it is real, There are too many possibilities, there are too many questions left unanswered.. And I always have more....

This is a 'Missing Persons Inquiry for all intense and purposes...  A Crime as far as we are made aware of at the start of this Inquiry has not been committed... We do not know what we are searching for... And what I mean by that is we do not know what is Missing and what is left behind...

The Flat that was frozen in time

I know it's not frozen in time.... I can see it's not frozen in time.... So what time is it supposed to be Frozen in...???

Greg Reardon....  Greg has been back to the Flat according to the information we are aware of, from around 8:00pm on Sunday the 19th December 2010,...  Now we know nothing about Greg... We know nothing about his habits or whether or not he has OCD for instance... But the little we do know on what happened when he arrived home and what was left behind, has been documented all over the media..

* Arrived home 8:00pm Sunday 19th December 2010

* Cleaned up cat trays

* Fed Bernard

* Drunk from an open bottle of cider

* Had Pizza for his tea

* Tidied up the Flat

* Looked through Joanna Yeates clothes to see what she was wearing

* Went back outside to his car

* Was in the Flat for hours before ringing The Yeates ( around midnight)

* Rung CJ (around midnight)

* Rung Joanna Yeates phone at 9;00pm

* found phone in her coat pocket

* Searched her rucksack at around 11:00pm

* Found her Glasses, keys, bankcards

* Rings the Police at 12:45am on Monday 20th December 2010

There obviously was NO signs of a struggle in the Flat, there can't have been, And if there had have been Greg Reardon had already tidied up what every signs may have been there, making the Flat NOT FROZEN IN TIME....

We decide for ourselves that Greg Reardon must have gone to stay with someone... But why? This is a Missing Persons Inquiry, a crime has not been committed yet as far as we know..... So that stands to reason that Greg Reardon would still be residing in his Flat waiting for his girlfriend to hopefully return home...

He would sleep in the bed... he would watch TV possibily, he would make food maybe... He would brush his teeth, he would use the toilet, he would shower... He would have been around every part of that Flat... He may have sat at the dining table... He may have sat on the settees... He may have gone in and out of the flat putting up posters... Bring debris, back into the Flat...

Why would he not stay there?? She is a Missing Person... What other Indications where there that she wasn't?

And more importantly why would Greg leave the Flat?

He wouldn't (imo) He would be out looking for her, or pace back and forwards inside the flat waiting on her return....  he would want to be near the house phone just incase she rings..

So realistically he isn't going anywhere... He has no reason too... And we have days until she is discovered when anything could have happened inside that Flat....

He could have carried on with the painting to try and take his mind off things, he would have had visitors maybe supporting him in his hours of need...  The media footage of the tour of the Flat and the images of the flat show what?? A virtually empty flat... where there is no signs of Greg ever living there.... No bedding... no carpets... No TV no appliances in the kitchen, yet everyone has accepted that this is how the flat looked since the day that Joanna yeates went Missing.... No christmas Tree....

It can't be.... It simply can't be....

So any forensics that may have been collected from the flat are virtually useless... Seeing as we have had... The Police... Mr and Mrs Yeates, Greg Reardon all being inside this flat before any forensics had been done.....

How did The Yeates not notice any blood when they arrived?? 43 significant Injuries blood in her hair and dripping from her nose.... Enough blood was produced that a smear of said blood was apparently found on the wall at Longwood Lane... And if we are to believe a spot was found on the rubber seal of the car that Dr Vincent tabak used...

Yet not a smidgen of blood inside what is supposed to be the original scene of crime.... Nothing on the walls... Nothing on the bed... nothing on the carpets... nothing in the kitchen...

Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have place Joanna Yeates on the bed.... blood surely would have trickled or smeared on the bed....

He then has taken her around to his flat and placed her down... surely blood would have trickled or smeared somewhere there...

But no... It only manages to appear on a rubber seal in a car boot and on a wall on Longwood lane...

Dr Vincent Tabak didn't go around tidying up the scene of crime... He left took Joanna Yeates around to his house for an hour and then put her in the boot and drove to Asda's.... Really , ones gonna pop to the shops...

So if he didn't tidy the scene and Greg and The Yeates didn't see any signs of blood in the Flat, she cannot have been killed there....

The Yeates would have said that there was blood in the flat... They have done so many interviews for documentaries and not once do they say that there was evidence of blood....

So the automatic response then has to be that Greg cleaned it up.... But why would he do that??? Why would he lie about what took place... And why go to trial and tell his story on the stand.... So if Greg didn't need to clean any blood up and The Yeates didn't notice any blood... Joanna Yeates wasn't killed in her flat.... It stands to reason...

So how can that FLAT be frozen in time?? When there are so many possibilities as to who stayed there and who used what, whilst waiting for news on the whereabout of Joanna Yeates...

So how can a flat be presented to the jury as a scene of Crime when there was nothing to suggest that this is indeed the place that Joanna Yeates met her fate?

And more to the point,, why didn't the defence notice the condition of the Flat and lack of evidence within this flat??

Did it not make him question his clients story??

I don't get it... Clegg a man of reputation, a man who has been educated in the law, a man that should know what a crime scene look like, never once stops to look at his client and ask him how on earth he managed to do this crime... (imo)..

Mr Tabak, how did you manage to get into said Flat??

Mr Tabak how did you manage not to leave any traces behind if you say you are guilty of this crime....

Mr Tabak, could you tell me where the TV was positioned?

Mr Tabak, could you tell me the colour of the oven?

Mr Tabak could you tell me what the bed looked like that you placed Miss Yeates upon...

Mr Tabak, where was Miss Yeates cat at the time of the attack??

Mr Tabak, could you describe Bernard to me...

Mr Tabak, what type of lock did Miss yeates door have??

Mr Tabak when did you grab your coat back of the stand???

Mr Tabak, did you go back to collect your coat??

Mr Tabak , did you wrap Miss Yeates in your coat....

Mr Tabak we can see from the CCTV image that you had your coat on on the 19th January 2011

Mr Tabak, were you wearing your coat when you carried Miss Yeates??

Mr Tabak was Miss Yeates bleeding ??

Mr Tabak, did any of Miss Yeates blood get onto your coat??

Mr Tabak did you have Miss Yeates head near your coat as you carried her??

Mr Tabak what other clothes were you wearing that evening?

Mr tabak have you still got these clothes??

Mr Tabak, If you didn't have blood on your coat, did any blood transfer to any of your other clothes??

Mr Tabak did you dispose of these clothes....

Mr Tabak, Did you have the red top on we can see you wearing in Asda??

Mr Tabak, did you take a shower??

Mr Tabak did you clean the blood evidence from the Flat??

Mr Tabak why the need to turn off the TV??

Mr Tabak, do you think that I believe your story??


The list is endless... So what of the answers....

To establish that Dr Vincent Tabak is telling the truth, one needs to establish how it was even a possibility...

How a man who had No connection to a victim, would be incited into a home, commit a violent act and leave no traces whatsoever of said act having been committed inside said Flat....

And no evidence on ones person of said person committing said act...

I don't know what lawyers really do, yes they apply the law, but do they not question what their client states.. Do they just accept a story no matter how implausible said story is, and No Evidence to back up said story....

The DNA and Fibres could be explained away.... But what about how it would be possible to commit this violent act on a woman in her own home who I would imagined putting up a fight for her life, where when her boyfriend came home, he didn't notice that any signs of said violent struggle had taken place... And not just him... Her parents failed to notice any signs of a violent struggle taking place in said flat....

Her mother I would be sure... Would have combed every inch of that flat looking for something that may indicate where her daughter may or may not have gone.... Giving her opportunity, to see signs of a struggle...

Teresa Yeates tells us that the minute they received the phone call, she knew something was untoward... Her and David came straight to Bristol to start looking for her.... So if she suspected foul play or an abduction, I am of the belief that she would have been looking for signs of foul play whilst she was in that flat...

But there cannot have been any.... maybe that is why she believed that Joanna Yeates was abducted... So how did Dr Vincent Tabak manage to kill Joanna Yeates in said Flat without leaving any traces behind?? Or leaving any traces of Joanna Yeates on himself or in his own flat??

So NO.... That Flat is NOT FROZEN IN TIME.... It never was!!

And if we are to believe that fibres from Dr Vincent Tabak's coat  were on Miss Yeates, then how and when did that happen?? You would guess he must have had his coat on at sometime whilst being in direct contact with her... Therefore how did he manage not to transfer any blood whatsoever onto said coat??

He either took his coat around to his flat when he popped around there to panic for a moment, when he realised she was dead... meaning his clothing he was wearing at the time would have had evidence of said violent act... Or he put his coat on and buttoned it up before carrying Miss yeates around to his flat, leaving untold traces of blood on said coat....

But at trial we have neither.... No mention of what he wore that evening and no mention of nay blood transfer on either his coat or his clothes....

Odd that.... !!

These are the type of questions I would have expected the defence to ask there client... They do not know him... He could be a serial story teller... But the evidence that has been shown, in itself casts doubt on the story told on the stand...

We know Dr Vincent Tabak had his black coat on in Asda.... So.... where is the evidence upon it.... and shouldn't the defence have questioned that!!

No it isn't. The case has been solved and closed.

Who is WE? You keep referring to WE?
« Last Edit: October 07, 2018, 11:13:18 AM by Stephanie »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1883 on: October 07, 2018, 11:16:56 AM »
Sorry never heard of the term...  I'll have to google it..

Therefore applying this to myself... I have no understanding of the workings of the law... I have no understanding of this case...

The information that is Missing makes it impossible to have an accurate evaluation of what took place and who or who not was involved and to what capacity....

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

I find myself questioning my self about this case and whether or not it is real, There are too many possibilities, there are too many questions left unanswered.. And I always have more....

This is a 'Missing Persons Inquiry for all intense and purposes...  A Crime as far as we are made aware of at the start of this Inquiry has not been committed...  We do not know what we are searching for... And what I mean by that is we do not know what is Missing and what is left behind...

The Flat that was frozen in time

I know it's not frozen in time.... I can see it's not frozen in time.... So what time is it supposed to be Frozen in...???

Greg Reardon....  Greg has been back to the Flat according to the information we are aware of, from around 8:00pm on Sunday the 19th December 2010,...  Now we know nothing about Greg... We know nothing about his habits or whether or not he has OCD for instance... But the little we do know on what happened when he arrived home and what was left behind, has been documented all over the media..

* Arrived home 8:00pm Sunday 19th December 2010

* Cleaned up cat trays

* Fed Bernard

* Drunk from an open bottle of cider

* Had Pizza for his tea

* Tidied up the Flat

* Looked through Joanna Yeates clothes to see what she was wearing

* Went back outside to his car

* Was in the Flat for hours before ringing The Yeates ( around midnight)

* Rung CJ (around midnight)

* Rung Joanna Yeates phone at 9;00pm

* found phone in her coat pocket

* Searched her rucksack at around 11:00pm

* Found her Glasses, keys, bankcards

* Rings the Police at 12:45am on Monday 20th December 2010

There obviously was NO signs of a struggle in the Flat, there can't have been, And if there had have been Greg Reardon had already tidied up what every signs may have been there, making the Flat NOT FROZEN IN TIME....

We decide for ourselves that Greg Reardon must have gone to stay with someone... But why? This is a Missing Persons Inquiry, a crime has not been committed yet as far as we know..... So that stands to reason that Greg Reardon would still be residing in his Flat waiting for his girlfriend to hopefully return home...

He would sleep in the bed... he would watch TV possibily, he would make food maybe... He would brush his teeth, he would use the toilet, he would shower... He would have been around every part of that Flat... He may have sat at the dining table... He may have sat on the settees... He may have gone in and out of the flat putting up posters... Bring debris, back into the Flat...

Why would he not stay there?? She is a Missing Person... What other Indications where there that she wasn't?

And more importantly why would Greg leave the Flat?

He wouldn't (imo) He would be out looking for her, or pace back and forwards inside the flat waiting on her return....  he would want to be near the house phone just incase she rings..

So realistically he isn't going anywhere... He has no reason too... And we have days until she is discovered when anything could have happened inside that Flat....

He could have carried on with the painting to try and take his mind off things, he would have had visitors maybe supporting him in his hours of need...  The media footage of the tour of the Flat and the images of the flat show what?? A virtually empty flat... where there is no signs of Greg ever living there.... No bedding... no carpets... No TV no appliances in the kitchen, yet everyone has accepted that this is how the flat looked since the day that Joanna yeates went Missing.... No christmas Tree....

It can't be.... It simply can't be....

So any forensics that may have been collected from the flat are virtually useless... Seeing as we have had... The Police... Mr and Mrs Yeates, Greg Reardon all being inside this flat before any forensics had been done.....

How did The Yeates not notice any blood when they arrived?? 43 significant Injuries blood in her hair and dripping from her nose.... Enough blood was produced that a smear of said blood was apparently found on the wall at Longwood Lane... And if we are to believe a spot was found on the rubber seal of the car that Dr Vincent tabak used...

Yet not a smidgen of blood inside what is supposed to be the original scene of crime.... Nothing on the walls... Nothing on the bed... nothing on the carpets... nothing in the kitchen...

Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have place Joanna Yeates on the bed.... blood surely would have trickled or smeared on the bed....

He then has taken her around to his flat and placed her down... surely blood would have trickled or smeared somewhere there...

But no... It only manages to appear on a rubber seal in a car boot and on a wall on Longwood lane...

Dr Vincent Tabak didn't go around tidying up the scene of crime... He left took Joanna Yeates around to his house for an hour and then put her in the boot and drove to Asda's.... Really , ones gonna pop to the shops...

So if he didn't tidy the scene and Greg and The Yeates didn't see any signs of blood in the Flat, she cannot have been killed there....

The Yeates would have said that there was blood in the flat... They have done so many interviews for documentaries and not once do they say that there was evidence of blood....

So the automatic response then has to be that Greg cleaned it up.... But why would he do that??? Why would he lie about what took place... And why go to trial and tell his story on the stand.... So if Greg didn't need to clean any blood up and The Yeates didn't notice any blood... Joanna Yeates wasn't killed in her flat.... It stands to reason...

So how can that FLAT be frozen in time?? When there are so many possibilities as to who stayed there and who used what, whilst waiting for news on the whereabout of Joanna Yeates...

So how can a flat be presented to the jury as a scene of Crime when there was nothing to suggest that this is indeed the place that Joanna Yeates met her fate?

And more to the point,, why didn't the defence notice the condition of the Flat and lack of evidence within this flat??

Did it not make him question his clients story??

I don't get it... Clegg a man of reputation, a man who has been educated in the law, a man that should know what a crime scene look like, never once stops to look at his client and ask him how on earth he managed to do this crime... (imo)..

Mr Tabak, how did you manage to get into said Flat??

Mr Tabak how did you manage not to leave any traces behind if you say you are guilty of this crime....

Mr Tabak, could you tell me where the TV was positioned?

Mr Tabak, could you tell me the colour of the oven?

Mr Tabak could you tell me what the bed looked like that you placed Miss Yeates upon...

Mr Tabak, where was Miss Yeates cat at the time of the attack??

Mr Tabak, could you describe Bernard to me...

Mr Tabak, what type of lock did Miss yeates door have??

Mr Tabak when did you grab your coat back of the stand???

Mr Tabak, did you go back to collect your coat??

Mr Tabak , did you wrap Miss Yeates in your coat....

Mr Tabak we can see from the CCTV image that you had your coat on on the 19th January 2011

Mr Tabak, were you wearing your coat when you carried Miss Yeates??

Mr Tabak was Miss Yeates bleeding ??

Mr Tabak, did any of Miss Yeates blood get onto your coat??

Mr Tabak did you have Miss Yeates head near your coat as you carried her??

Mr Tabak what other clothes were you wearing that evening?

Mr tabak have you still got these clothes??

Mr Tabak, If you didn't have blood on your coat, did any blood transfer to any of your other clothes??

Mr Tabak did you dispose of these clothes....

Mr Tabak, Did you have the red top on we can see you wearing in Asda??

Mr Tabak, did you take a shower??

Mr Tabak did you clean the blood evidence from the Flat??

Mr Tabak why the need to turn off the TV??

Mr Tabak, do you think that I believe your story??


The list is endless... So what of the answers....

To establish that Dr Vincent Tabak is telling the truth, one needs to establish how it was even a possibility...

How a man who had No connection to a victim, would be incited into a home, commit a violent act and leave no traces whatsoever of said act having been committed inside said Flat....

And no evidence on ones person of said person committing said act...

I don't know what lawyers really do, yes they apply the law, but do they not question what their client states.. Do they just accept a story no matter how implausible said story is, and No Evidence to back up said story....

The DNA and Fibres could be explained away.... But what about how it would be possible to commit this violent act on a woman in her own home who I would imagined putting up a fight for her life, where when her boyfriend came home, he didn't notice that any signs of said violent struggle had taken place... And not just him... Her parents failed to notice any signs of a violent struggle taking place in said flat....

Her mother I would be sure... Would have combed every inch of that flat looking for something that may indicate where her daughter may or may not have gone.... Giving her opportunity, to see signs of a struggle...

Teresa Yeates tells us that the minute they received the phone call, she knew something was untoward... Her and David came straight to Bristol to start looking for her.... So if she suspected foul play or an abduction, I am of the belief that she would have been looking for signs of foul play whilst she was in that flat...

But there cannot have been any.... maybe that is why she believed that Joanna Yeates was abducted... So how did Dr Vincent Tabak manage to kill Joanna Yeates in said Flat without leaving any traces behind?? Or leaving any traces of Joanna Yeates on himself or in his own flat??

So NO.... That Flat is NOT FROZEN IN TIME.... It never was!!

And if we are to believe that fibres from Dr Vincent Tabak's coat  were on Miss Yeates, then how and when did that happen?? You would guess he must have had his coat on at sometime whilst being in direct contact with her... Therefore how did he manage not to transfer any blood whatsoever onto said coat??

He either took his coat around to his flat when he popped around there to panic for a moment, when he realised she was dead... meaning his clothing he was wearing at the time would have had evidence of said violent act... Or he put his coat on and buttoned it up before carrying Miss yeates around to his flat, leaving untold traces of blood on said coat....

But at trial we have neither.... No mention of what he wore that evening and no mention of nay blood transfer on either his coat or his clothes....

Odd that.... !!

These are the type of questions I would have expected the defence to ask there client... They do not know him... He could be a serial story teller... But the evidence that has been shown, in itself casts doubt on the story told on the stand...

We know Dr Vincent Tabak had his black coat on in Asda.... So.... where is the evidence upon it.... and shouldn't the defence have questioned that!!

Greg Reardon was the partner of Joanna Yeates who was murdered. Why are you introducing conspiracy theories?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1884 on: October 07, 2018, 11:17:19 AM »
You are allowing your bias to take over objective arguement

Thanks Stephanie... My argument was to show why i believed the Defence failed Dr Vincent Tabak... My argument was, based on what I believe...

OMG... This all gives me a headache.... I'm busy baking bread... You can take that as a fact .... 11:09am on Sunday 7th October 2018  and the dough to my brown loaf is rising as we speak....

As for unbiased..your obviously not getting an unbiased argument from me... My head has been cabbaged by the glaringly obvious...  Maybe it was the Defences bias that we should be looking at....

 

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1885 on: October 07, 2018, 11:18:42 AM »
Sorry never heard of the term...  I'll have to google it..

Therefore applying this to myself... I have no understanding of the workings of the law... I have no understanding of this case...

The information that is Missing makes it impossible to have an accurate evaluation of what took place and who or who not was involved and to what capacity....

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

I find myself questioning my self about this case and whether or not it is real, There are too many possibilities, there are too many questions left unanswered.. And I always have more....

This is a 'Missing Persons Inquiry for all intense and purposes...  A Crime as far as we are made aware of at the start of this Inquiry has not been committed...  We do not know what we are searching for... And what I mean by that is we do not know what is Missing and what is left behind...

The Flat that was frozen in time

I know it's not frozen in time.... I can see it's not frozen in time.... So what time is it supposed to be Frozen in...???

Greg Reardon....  Greg has been back to the Flat according to the information we are aware of, from around 8:00pm on Sunday the 19th December 2010,...  Now we know nothing about Greg... We know nothing about his habits or whether or not he has OCD for instance... But the little we do know on what happened when he arrived home and what was left behind, has been documented all over the media..

* Arrived home 8:00pm Sunday 19th December 2010

* Cleaned up cat trays

* Fed Bernard

* Drunk from an open bottle of cider

* Had Pizza for his tea

* Tidied up the Flat

* Looked through Joanna Yeates clothes to see what she was wearing

* Went back outside to his car

* Was in the Flat for hours before ringing The Yeates ( around midnight)

* Rung CJ (around midnight)

* Rung Joanna Yeates phone at 9;00pm

* found phone in her coat pocket

* Searched her rucksack at around 11:00pm

* Found her Glasses, keys, bankcards

* Rings the Police at 12:45am on Monday 20th December 2010

There obviously was NO signs of a struggle in the Flat, there can't have been, And if there had have been Greg Reardon had already tidied up what every signs may have been there, making the Flat NOT FROZEN IN TIME....

We decide for ourselves that Greg Reardon must have gone to stay with someone... But why? This is a Missing Persons Inquiry, a crime has not been committed yet as far as we know..... So that stands to reason that Greg Reardon would still be residing in his Flat waiting for his girlfriend to hopefully return home...

He would sleep in the bed... he would watch TV possibily, he would make food maybe... He would brush his teeth, he would use the toilet, he would shower... He would have been around every part of that Flat... He may have sat at the dining table... He may have sat on the settees... He may have gone in and out of the flat putting up posters... Bring debris, back into the Flat...

Why would he not stay there?? She is a Missing Person... What other Indications where there that she wasn't?

And more importantly why would Greg leave the Flat?

He wouldn't (imo) He would be out looking for her, or pace back and forwards inside the flat waiting on her return....  he would want to be near the house phone just incase she rings..

So realistically he isn't going anywhere... He has no reason too... And we have days until she is discovered when anything could have happened inside that Flat....

He could have carried on with the painting to try and take his mind off things, he would have had visitors maybe supporting him in his hours of need...  The media footage of the tour of the Flat and the images of the flat show what?? A virtually empty flat... where there is no signs of Greg ever living there.... No bedding... no carpets... No TV no appliances in the kitchen, yet everyone has accepted that this is how the flat looked since the day that Joanna yeates went Missing.... No christmas Tree....

It can't be.... It simply can't be....

So any forensics that may have been collected from the flat are virtually useless... Seeing as we have had... The Police... Mr and Mrs Yeates, Greg Reardon all being inside this flat before any forensics had been done.....

How did The Yeates not notice any blood when they arrived?? 43 significant Injuries blood in her hair and dripping from her nose.... Enough blood was produced that a smear of said blood was apparently found on the wall at Longwood Lane... And if we are to believe a spot was found on the rubber seal of the car that Dr Vincent tabak used...

Yet not a smidgen of blood inside what is supposed to be the original scene of crime.... Nothing on the walls... Nothing on the bed... nothing on the carpets... nothing in the kitchen...

Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have place Joanna Yeates on the bed.... blood surely would have trickled or smeared on the bed....

He then has taken her around to his flat and placed her down... surely blood would have trickled or smeared somewhere there...

But no... It only manages to appear on a rubber seal in a car boot and on a wall on Longwood lane...

Dr Vincent Tabak didn't go around tidying up the scene of crime... He left took Joanna Yeates around to his house for an hour and then put her in the boot and drove to Asda's.... Really , ones gonna pop to the shops...

So if he didn't tidy the scene and Greg and The Yeates didn't see any signs of blood in the Flat, she cannot have been killed there....

The Yeates would have said that there was blood in the flat... They have done so many interviews for documentaries and not once do they say that there was evidence of blood....

So the automatic response then has to be that Greg cleaned it up.... But why would he do that??? Why would he lie about what took place... And why go to trial and tell his story on the stand.... So if Greg didn't need to clean any blood up and The Yeates didn't notice any blood... Joanna Yeates wasn't killed in her flat.... It stands to reason...

So how can that FLAT be frozen in time?? When there are so many possibilities as to who stayed there and who used what, whilst waiting for news on the whereabout of Joanna Yeates...

So how can a flat be presented to the jury as a scene of Crime when there was nothing to suggest that this is indeed the place that Joanna Yeates met her fate?

And more to the point,, why didn't the defence notice the condition of the Flat and lack of evidence within this flat??

Did it not make him question his clients story??

I don't get it... Clegg a man of reputation, a man who has been educated in the law, a man that should know what a crime scene look like, never once stops to look at his client and ask him how on earth he managed to do this crime... (imo)..

Mr Tabak, how did you manage to get into said Flat??

Mr Tabak how did you manage not to leave any traces behind if you say you are guilty of this crime....

Mr Tabak, could you tell me where the TV was positioned?

Mr Tabak, could you tell me the colour of the oven?

Mr Tabak could you tell me what the bed looked like that you placed Miss Yeates upon...

Mr Tabak, where was Miss Yeates cat at the time of the attack??

Mr Tabak, could you describe Bernard to me...

Mr Tabak, what type of lock did Miss yeates door have??

Mr Tabak when did you grab your coat back of the stand???

Mr Tabak, did you go back to collect your coat??

Mr Tabak , did you wrap Miss Yeates in your coat....

Mr Tabak we can see from the CCTV image that you had your coat on on the 19th January 2011

Mr Tabak, were you wearing your coat when you carried Miss Yeates??

Mr Tabak was Miss Yeates bleeding ??

Mr Tabak, did any of Miss Yeates blood get onto your coat??

Mr Tabak did you have Miss Yeates head near your coat as you carried her??

Mr Tabak what other clothes were you wearing that evening?

Mr tabak have you still got these clothes??

Mr Tabak, If you didn't have blood on your coat, did any blood transfer to any of your other clothes??

Mr Tabak did you dispose of these clothes....

Mr Tabak, Did you have the red top on we can see you wearing in Asda??

Mr Tabak, did you take a shower??

Mr Tabak did you clean the blood evidence from the Flat??

Mr Tabak why the need to turn off the TV??

Mr Tabak, do you think that I believe your story??


The list is endless... So what of the answers....

To establish that Dr Vincent Tabak is telling the truth, one needs to establish how it was even a possibility...

How a man who had No connection to a victim, would be incited into a home, commit a violent act and leave no traces whatsoever of said act having been committed inside said Flat....

And no evidence on ones person of said person committing said act...

I don't know what lawyers really do, yes they apply the law, but do they not question what their client states.. Do they just accept a story no matter how implausible said story is, and No Evidence to back up said story....

The DNA and Fibres could be explained away.... But what about how it would be possible to commit this violent act on a woman in her own home who I would imagined putting up a fight for her life, where when her boyfriend came home, he didn't notice that any signs of said violent struggle had taken place... And not just him... Her parents failed to notice any signs of a violent struggle taking place in said flat....

Her mother I would be sure... Would have combed every inch of that flat looking for something that may indicate where her daughter may or may not have gone.... Giving her opportunity, to see signs of a struggle...

Teresa Yeates tells us that the minute they received the phone call, she knew something was untoward... Her and David came straight to Bristol to start looking for her.... So if she suspected foul play or an abduction, I am of the belief that she would have been looking for signs of foul play whilst she was in that flat...

But there cannot have been any.... maybe that is why she believed that Joanna Yeates was abducted... So how did Dr Vincent Tabak manage to kill Joanna Yeates in said Flat without leaving any traces behind?? Or leaving any traces of Joanna Yeates on himself or in his own flat??

So NO.... That Flat is NOT FROZEN IN TIME.... It never was!!

And if we are to believe that fibres from Dr Vincent Tabak's coat  were on Miss Yeates, then how and when did that happen?? You would guess he must have had his coat on at sometime whilst being in direct contact with her... Therefore how did he manage not to transfer any blood whatsoever onto said coat??

He either took his coat around to his flat when he popped around there to panic for a moment, when he realised she was dead... meaning his clothing he was wearing at the time would have had evidence of said violent act... Or he put his coat on and buttoned it up before carrying Miss yeates around to his flat, leaving untold traces of blood on said coat....

But at trial we have neither.... No mention of what he wore that evening and no mention of nay blood transfer on either his coat or his clothes....

Odd that.... !!

These are the type of questions I would have expected the defence to ask there client... They do not know him... He could be a serial story teller... But the evidence that has been shown, in itself casts doubt on the story told on the stand...

We know Dr Vincent Tabak had his black coat on in Asda.... So.... where is the evidence upon it.... and shouldn't the defence have questioned that!!

Are you a police officer Nine? I'm joking  8((()*/

But answer me this; what makes you think the police didn't investigate this case properly? Because they made a mistake over Christopher Jeffries?
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1886 on: October 07, 2018, 11:19:24 AM »
It will help you if you separate the facts from the myths. Reality as opposed to the illusion

Yes.... This whole case is an illusion.... Built on myths....

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1887 on: October 07, 2018, 11:21:18 AM »
Yes.... This whole case is an illusion.... Built on myths....

Only in your mind Nine.
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1888 on: October 07, 2018, 11:24:04 AM »
Thanks Stephanie... My argument was to show why i believed the Defence failed Dr Vincent Tabak... My argument was, based on what I believe...

OMG... This all gives me a headache.... I'm busy baking bread... You can take that as a fact .... 11:09am on Sunday 7th October 2018  and the dough to my brown loaf is rising as we speak....

As for unbiased..your obviously not getting an unbiased argument from me... My head has been cabbaged by the glaringly obvious...  Maybe it was the Defences bias that we should be looking at....

But your argument isn't based in reality. You've admitted it here:

Yes.... This whole case is an illusion.... Built on myths....

Why don't you take Vincent Tabaks confession as fact as opposed to trying to convince me you are baking bread?

What's "glaringly obvious" is it appears you've built a conspiracy theory with regards this case and your supposed headache is most probably caused by:

A) lack of reasoning and objectivity

B) you've got the oven on too high

C) you need to drink more fluids?
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1889 on: October 07, 2018, 11:31:19 AM »
Thanks Stephanie... My argument was to show why i believed the Defence failed Dr Vincent Tabak...

How would YOU defend someone who has confessed to YOU they had murdered?

And what would you do with that information?
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