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You know better than the man himself....that is some box you  are thinking outside of!

well apparently the only box the man thought in was the box of newspaper/social media reports of the time.. All the evidence had been out there, so anyone could have cobbled that story together on the stand...

In a box..(imo)

[mrswah]

It definitely is from release. They have 3 days to sign on at the Police station. They can apply to be removed after 15 years from release not from the sentence starting.

Thanks for that, jixy.  I have learned something!!

Good to see you back.

[Caroline]

well apparently the only box the man thought in was the box of newspaper/social media reports of the time.. All the evidence had been out there, so anyone could have cobbled that story together on the stand...

In a box..(imo)

But no one did - Tabak admitted the crime.

[Caroline]

It is not just to please me.... I'm attempting to show that there were other possible angles that could have been investigated at the time... That is all....

Why would they investigate another angle when they know who committed the crime and why because of the evidence?

[Caroline]

You know better than the man himself....that is some box you  are thinking outside of!

Which man?

[Caroline]

Les make things clear here Caroline.... I never believed that Dr Vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates,  the trial itself made me wonder why even more, as years passed, my doubts never wavered.....

The fact that someone eventually went to court some years later on a charge that should have been dealt with after the trial in October 2011 , has me questioning the validity of said information... If Dr Vincent Tabak is on a minimum of 20 years he won't rock any boat, neither will his family or friends...

I am questioning the validity of what has been presented to the court...

I do not support child abusers...

If in reality the computer evidence is independently assessed and shows that Dr vincent Tabak had images of children he shouldn't have on his computer, then do him for that... But you cannot accept a man is imprisoned for Murder , if it can be shown, he didn't murder said person.... Whether you like it or not....

It means a Murderer has escaped punishment....

So I am not trying to find an excuse for him... I am trying to show I do not believe Dr vincent Tabak killed Joanna yeates....  that is all....!!

But you can show that he didn't murder her.

[jixy]

Which man?

Tabak lol

[jixy]

Thanks for that, jixy.  I have learned something!!

Good to see you back.

Thanks Mrswah...not stopping 

[APRIL]

In what capacity when they already have talked to the CPs about a suspect in late December 2010??
How can a profiler be of use??

Or was the profiler looking for a sex angle??  Instead of an architectural angle... Most profilers wouldn't even look at that possibility now would they... They have there theories and stick with that... 

I might have been impressed by a profiler if the same old same old motive hadn't surfaced.... Think it's time they thought outside the box...(imo) of course...

Do you imagine profilers do their job for fun? WHY would they go off at at tangent looking for a new/different/any other motive when an obvious one might be staring them in the face? Of course, it's highly likely that a profiler's start position was psychology, not architecture, and I'm not fully convinced that architecture,even IF it can be linked to a suspect, could be said to be part of their psychology. "The box", in this instance, seems to be one you've created for your own purposes. I wonder what a profiler would make of you?

[Real justice]

It is not just to please me.... I'm attempting to show that there were other possible angles that could have been investigated at the time... That is all....

Nine, there would have been lots of angles the police would have looked at.  As soon as possible a list of suspects would have been drawn up, Suspect number one would have been the boyfriend, he would have been eliminated with the fact he was and verified to be in Sheffield and cctv showing Joanna alive while he was in Sheffield would reinforce this.

Neighbours, friends family  and anyone who saw Joanna last would then be suspects, Jefferies was arrested all because he said he seen Joanna leave the flat with two other girls, this made him the last person to see her, after two days he was released on bail, they didn’t have any firm evidence against him.  Tabak another neighbour sees an opportunity to put the blame on Jefferies, he drew attention to himself by saying Jefferies car had moved on the night of the murder.  This was a lie and proven, Tabak then becomes a higher suspect.  When the DNA comes back Bingo a perfect match to Tabak.  One billion to one chance of it not being him, the odds of winning the euro lottery is something like one in 140 million, think how hard that is, it’s like me marking a blade of grass on a football field and blindfolding you and you picking that blade of grass, but in Tabak’s case it’s about seven football fields.  They then take a closer look at Tabak and find the child porn, the snuff videos, the searches he made about DNA, the area he searched on his computer Longwood Lane, they then find Joanna’s blood in his car the evidence against Tabak was stacking up and undeniable

Now you tell me why the police should put any resources and money  into looking at other avenues, Arts and archeology Bannnatynes daughter ect.  It’s a bit like you winning the euro lottery with the one winning ticket and then saying I don’t want to use it I want to keeping trying again.

I just don’t understand it, you have a guy with all this evidence agains him, the odds of it not being him is billions to one, the same guy openly admits he killed Joanna, Joanna’s coat keys and phone are in her flat proving she made it home, yet because the last bit of CCTV isn’t available you have doubts.

[Real justice]

Do you imagine profilers do their job for fun? WHY would they go off at at tangent looking for a new/different/any other motive when an obvious one might be staring them in the face? Of course, it's highly likely that a profiler's start position was psychology, not architecture, and I'm not fully convinced that architecture,even IF it can be linked to a suspect, could be said to be part of their psychology. "The box", in this instance, seems to be one you've created for your own purposes. I wonder what a profiler would make of you?

Great post and point April, anyone with any doubts about criminal profilers should listen to the podcast Real Crime Profile, Jim Clemente (ex FBI) and Laura Richards (ex New Scotland Yard) its unbelievable the knowledge they have and the process and elimination techniques they use, they have the ability to see what the police miss.  Tabak didn’t need a profiler, he profiled himself to the police.

[Real justice]

Duncan is in Portishead and he doesn't mention the snow, rather refers to the weather as frosty.. Was there lots of snow in that area? Joanna Yeates was on Longwood lane, was it only frosty there too on that day? Because she was supposed to be left there since the 17th December 2010, with no-one noticing her..


Nine you really don’t think things through, you make this statement, then produce pictures of fire engines at Longwood Lane at the crime scene with snow clearly visible, even Tabak himself said he went to take pictures of snow.


I think you need to start at the very beginning again.

[APRIL]

Great post and point April, anyone with any doubts about criminal profilers should listen to the podcast Real Crime Profile, Jim Clemente (ex FBI) and Laura Richards (ex New Scotland Yard) its unbelievable the knowledge they have and the process and elimination techniques they use, they have the ability to see what the police miss.  Tabak didn’t need a profiler, he profiled himself to the police.

Thank, RJ. Your post has also prompted the thought that profilers -by virtue of the work they're involved with- already have the capability of thinking outside the box. However, I think it has to be accepted and recognized that, as "the box", if they allow their imaginations to run riot, is vast and limitless. Certain restraints must, therefore, be exercised, if only to prevent time and money being wasted.

[Myster]

I think you need to start at the very beginning again.

OH NO!!!  Please... don't encourage her, or we'll have to put up with same old crap forever!

[APRIL]

OH NO!!!  Please... don't encourage her, or we'll have to put up with same old crap forever!