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Offline APRIL

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3795 on: May 01, 2019, 04:31:30 PM »
Fair enough, if that is what you think....I can only apologise....


Mmm. What exactly are you apologizing for?


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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3797 on: May 02, 2019, 11:31:35 AM »
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Causelist Bristol T20140077
Court   Case(s)   Defendant(s)   Status(es)
Court 10   
T20140077
VINCENT TABAK
For Preliminary Hearing - Case Started 06/02/2014 10:01
Plea and Case Management - Case Started 23/04/2014 11:06
Plea and Case Management - Hearing finished for GLEN MEREDITH 23/04/2014 11:41
Plea and Case Management - Resume 23/04/2014 11:42
Plea and Case Management - Hearing finished for VINCENT TABAK 23/04/2014 12:01
For Mention (All Parties to Attend) - Case Started 26/08/2014 10:09
For Mention (All Parties to Attend) - Hearing finished for VINCENT TABAK 26/08/2014 10:21
For Application to Break Fixture - Case Started 04/09/2014 11:05
Court 2   
T20140077
VINCENT TABAK
For Mention (All Parties to Attend) - Case Started 16/02/2015 14:08
For Mention (All Parties to Attend) - Hearing finished for VINCENT TABAK 16/02/2015 14:18
Court 6   
T20140077
VINCENT TABAK
For Pre - Trial Review 23/02/2015 10:18
Court 2   
T20140077
VINCENT TABAK
For Trial - Case Started 02/03/2015 11:18
For Trial - Resume 02/03/2015 11:29
For Trial - Case adjourned until 14:30 02/03/2015 12:30

http://causelist.org/bristol/T20140077/

For Trial - Case adjourned until 14:30 02/03/2015 12:30

That is the last item stated on the case against Dr Vincent Tabak,  the case against him in March 2015

The case is adjourned, nothing about sentencing, nothing about being guilty, nothing about entering a guilty plea...

Did the media just tell us that he was found guilty? or that he pleaded guilty??


There appears to be no conclusion.... There is also his sentence trial number missing from the cause list information, I believe that trial number starts with the letter 'S' for sentencing..... Maybe someone could explain why there is no sentencing on the cause list or why it appears to finish on adjournment...


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We have this tweet:

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Western Daily Press

Verified account
 
@WesternDaily

Vincent Tabak in court on child pornography charges http://bit.ly/1a645eC  #Bristol

11:22 pm - 14 Jan 2014

https://twitter.com/WesternDaily/status/423354479174377472


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Somerset News

 
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Somerset Latest: Western Daily Press published Vincent Tabak in court in Bristol on child pornography charges:... http://bit.ly/1iSRMSE

12:19 am - 15 Jan 2014

https://twitter.com/NewsSomerset/status/423368776365518848

Both lead to this:

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/Vincent-Tabak-court-Bristol-child-pornography/story-20444380-detail/story.html

Of course they are no longer available to view....

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Daniel Evans

 
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Vincent Tabak back in court (videolink) accused of child porn offences on January 15....

4:37 am - 3 Jan 2014

https://twitter.com/danielevans28/status/419085119530340352

I believe he is now head of sport at Somerset live/ he may have been before, i wouldn't know...

But videolink??  where has this info come from??  The causelist for that date doesn't show Dr Vincent Tabak being listed: Neither does the cause list I have posted show January 2014 as a date at anytime.....

http://causelist.org/bristol/03-01-2014/

http://causelist.org/bristol/14-01-2014/

http://causelist.org/bristol/15-01-2014/

But looking at the date of said tweet, he has written it on the 3rd January 2014, that Dr Vincent Tabak is back in court for offences on the 15th January... Now what year are they supposed to be that these offences were committed?? He has a partial date....

Is he saying Dr Vincent Tabak will appear in court on the 15th January 'OR' that the 15th January was when Dr Vincent Tabak had been viewing/downloading the images??

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Daniel Evans

 
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Vincent Tabak in Bristol Magistrates' Court via video link, later this month http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Vincent-Tabak-court-Bristol-month/story-20396977-detail/story.html

4:59 am - 3 Jan 2014

https://twitter.com/danielevans28/status/419090714769637376

His tweet has changed minutes later and then we talk of Dr Vincent Tabak being in court later in January...  Of course the link to the Bristol post is no more... for why i cannot say... And who told him it would be via video link??

But I think the best tweet has to go to our favourite Dutch TV person

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Alice van der Plas

 
@AlicevanderPlas

#ob Vincent Tabak weer voor rechter: Vincent Tabak in court in Bristol on child pornography charges http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Vincent-Tabak-court-Bristol-child-pornography/story-20444380-detail/story.html

2:46 am - 15 Jan 2014

https://twitter.com/AlicevanderPlas/status/423405856491700224

( I used a translator online and her Dutch says'#ob Vincent Tabak again before the judge:")


She too has been given the thumbs up about an appearance at court that didn't appear happen.... She I believe is the only Dutch TV person that covered the murder of Joanna Yeates and Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest.. She had the exclusive before many major news outlets here in the UK... 

Or has she just searched twitter?  Because 15th January is the date she tweeted, that being the same partial date of another twitter media person....


Looking at the causelist Dr Vincent Tabak had not appeared in Court in January 2014, so where have these twitter media accounts got their information from is a puzzle...

The point being.... If the media have stated that Dr Vincent Tabak was in court in January 2014 and the causelist tells us differently, then why should we believe the apparent Child images charges and apparent admission of guilt, when the causelist does not conclude, it finishes on an adjournment...

Does this bring into question whether or not the media stated that Dr Vincent Plead Guilty to Manslaughter in May 2011 was accurate and true??

The cause list doesn't go that far back...  So I cannot find that info out... But I can question what I can see... And try to understand where the info came from in the first place.....


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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3798 on: May 02, 2019, 12:22:49 PM »
The Causelist

There's me thinking that they had some clout and why??

I have no idea, I just assumed that they must be ligit.... Well I'll rephrase that, I thought they were from some government body, but it could be any Tom, Dick or Harry whom set this up...(imo)


http://causelist.org/

I tried searching companies house for Causelist

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/search?q=causelist

One company there whom may have changed their name from causelist..

But I do not know what or whom 'Causelist" is... Or whom runs the website.

I would have expected the cause list to come from here...

https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists

I get baffled by it all... Whom writes what and whether or not this information is accurate and true...

As I say, I do not know what is real or not with this case... And the circles continue...


Crock and shit spring to mind at the minute....


Offline Real justice

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3799 on: May 02, 2019, 12:52:58 PM »
The Causelist

There's me thinking that they had some clout and why??

I have no idea, I just assumed that they must be ligit.... Well I'll rephrase that, I thought they were from some government body, but it could be any Tom, Dick or Harry whom set this up...(imo)


http://causelist.org/

I tried searching companies house for Causelist

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/search?q=causelist

One company there whom may have changed their name from causelist..

But I do not know what or whom 'Causelist" is... Or whom runs the website.

I would have expected the cause list to come from here...

https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists

I get baffled by it all... Whom writes what and whether or not this information is accurate and true...

As I say, I do not know what is real or not with this case... And the circles continue...


Crock and shit spring to mind at the minute....
Here we go again, Groundhog Day 😂😂😂

You sound more and more like Leonora with every post 😉

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3800 on: May 02, 2019, 01:00:44 PM »
Here we go again, Groundhog Day 😂😂😂

You sound more and more like Leonora with every post 😉

Well I am not leonora and leonora appears to have gone quiet...

Why you think I sound like leonora is beyond me...

Offline APRIL

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3801 on: May 02, 2019, 01:17:02 PM »
Well I am not leonora and leonora appears to have gone quiet...

Why you think I sound like leonora is beyond me...


I have no idea who is Leonora, but you mention of "crock and shit" has the resonance of projection about it.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3802 on: May 02, 2019, 01:24:51 PM »
Everything that was apparently stated at trial, came from the media in one way or another....

I just didn't know which media.... If we add in The Dutch media, the puzzle of information then becomes known....

This has been translated.... not by me..


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Crime blog: Vincent T. with the t of tobacco

The cramped handling of the last names of suspects in the Dutch media continues to lead to hilarious situations. This can be seen from the stories about the suspected murder architect Vincent T. (32) from Veghel. He has been living in Bristol with his girlfriend for some time.

a.trompers Andre Trompers 21-01-11, 18:17 Last update: 3/24/17, 11:09 PM Source: destem


There he was arrested yesterday (Thursday, January 20) on suspicion of involvement in the murder of his neighbor Joanna Yeates (25). The young woman was found on Christmas Day in a ditch near Bristol. Strangled. The British police are said to have indications that Joanna's corpse was in the back of Vincent's car for some time after it disappeared on December 17. The Dutchman is stuck and his home has been extensively investigated.

https://www.bndestem.nl/overig/misdaadblog-vincent-t-met-de-t-van-tabak~aacbebca/

The point of quoting this, is it mentioning that Joanna Yeates was in the boot of Dr Vincent Tabak's car, and not only that, but it had apparently been there for some time....

How did this person whom wrote this article get the information that Joanna Yeates body had been in Dr Vincent Tabak's car? We knew nothing of this apparent part of the case until trial....  yet they know this info....

I have stated many times, that I believe the information at the trial we have heard about of Dr Vincent Tabak had been mentioned in the media before hand... So the story on the stand was just that.... a collaberation of media stories... And not just from this country...(imo)

Edit...

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BN DeStem

 
@BNDeStem

Vincent T. bekent doodslag Britse buurvrouw http://j.mp/lcfA6Q

2:47 AM - 5 May 2011

Translation:

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@BNDeStem

Vincent T. confesses murder of British neighbor http://j.mp/lcfA6Q

https://twitter.com/BNDeStem/status/66076502374105088

And look the page leads nowhere...

https://www.bndestem.nl/regio/8640507/Vincent-T-bekent-doodslag-Britse-buurvrouw.ece


Is this the origin of Dr Vincent Tabak's apparent confession/ guilty plea??






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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3803 on: May 02, 2019, 01:52:51 PM »

I have no idea who is Leonora, but you mention of "crock and shit" has the resonance of projection about it.

I know whom I have been lead to believe leonora is, but I cannot state it as fact.... So crock and shit could be apt... I have no idea..

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3804 on: May 02, 2019, 02:53:36 PM »
Omroep Brabant whom Alice Van der plas works for/ appears on their programs...


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Omroep Brabant

Verified account
 
@omroepbrabant

@mielsvs Ben jij beschikbaar voor een gesprek (geen interview) over Vincent T.? Zo ja, mail naar rob.van.kaathoven@omroepbrabant.nl. Dank!

2:25 AM - 21 Jan 2011

Translation... not by me..

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@mielsvs Are you available for a conversation (not an interview) about Vincent T.? If yes, mail to rob.van.kaathoven@omroepbrabant.nl. Thanks!

https://twitter.com/omroepbrabant/status/28397785061523456

In relation to what?? And does he have any connection to Dr Vincent Tabak?? why random tweet this guy??

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Omroep Brabant

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Vincent T. weer bij rechter voor moord Yeates http://tinyurl.com/6h7vodo

9:01 PM - 3 May 2011

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Vincent T. again in court for Yeates murder http://tinyurl.com/6h7vodo

https://twitter.com/omroepbrabant/status/65626970800656384

The tiny url leads to this

https://www.omroepbrabant.nl/nieuws/129341/Engelse-buurvrouw-nodigde-Vincent-T-uit

But how on the 3rd May 2011 are this media outlet tweeting about Dr Vincent Tabak appearing in court...

The link leads to this dated Wednesday, but the tweet was on Tuesday... She must have been following Rupert Evelyn... thats my conclusion anyway....

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WEDNESDAY, MAY 4, 2011, 5:58 AM

Vincent T. case postponed to Thursday

BRISTOL - Vincent T. from Veghel, who has been charged with the murder of his neighbor Joanna Yeates in Bristol, England, must not appear again on Wednesday, but Thursday. He would initially go to court on Wednesday, but the hearing was postponed one day.

According to British media, this is a session in which the 32-year-old suspect says whether he is guilty or innocent and in which the course of the trial is discussed. A reporter from the BBC expects that T. himself will not be present at the session, but that he can follow everything via a video connection.
The provisional date for handling the case would be October 4. The lawsuit was originally scheduled for April 29, but in connection with the marriage of Prince William and Kate, the case was moved to May. The case attracts a lot of media attention in England.
Christmas Day
T. is suspected of killing 25-year-old Yeates in December. Her body was found on Christmas Day on a country road a few miles from her home in Bristol. She had been missing for eight days. The police arrested T. on January 20 during a house search at his home in Bristol.
Yeates died as a result of strangulation. According to the police, there are no indications that the victim has been raped, but a sexual motive is not excluded.

According to British media, this is a session in which the 32-year-old suspect says whether he is guilty or innocent

Was that the case?? Or had they jumped the gun... Thought it was just a for mention hearing....

Rupert Evelyn tweeting on Tuesday also....

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Rupert Evelyn

 
@rupertevelyn

Vincent Tabak, charged with killing Jo Yeates, due for plea hearing at Old Bailey on Thurs. Not in Bristol tomorrow as 1st planned. #yeates

2:37 pm - 3 May 2011

https://twitter.com/rupertevelyn/status/65530458158546944

 Rupert knows on the 3rd May 2011 also...

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#VincentT. bekent #moord op #Joanna Yeates. Zie zometeen omroepbrabant.nl

2:38 AM - 5 May 2011

Translation

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#VincentT. confesses # murder to #Joanna Yeates. See next omroepbrabant.nl

2:38 AM - May 5, 2011

https://twitter.com/omroepbrabant/status/66074322174877696


Looks like everyone was following the wrong twitter account... these guys were streets ahead of everyone else.... @)(++(*


Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3805 on: May 02, 2019, 03:31:43 PM »
http://causelist.org/bristol/T20140077/

For Trial - Case adjourned until 14:30 02/03/2015 12:30

That is the last item stated on the case against Dr Vincent Tabak,  the case against him in March 2015

The case is adjourned, nothing about sentencing, nothing about being guilty, nothing about entering a guilty plea...

Did the media just tell us that he was found guilty? or that he pleaded guilty??


There appears to be no conclusion.... There is also his sentence trial number missing from the cause list information, I believe that trial number starts with the letter 'S' for sentencing..... Maybe someone could explain why there is no sentencing on the cause list or why it appears to finish on adjournment...


___________________________________________________

We have this tweet:

https://twitter.com/WesternDaily/status/423354479174377472


https://twitter.com/NewsSomerset/status/423368776365518848

Both lead to this:

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/Vincent-Tabak-court-Bristol-child-pornography/story-20444380-detail/story.html

Of course they are no longer available to view....

https://twitter.com/danielevans28/status/419085119530340352

I believe he is now head of sport at Somerset live/ he may have been before, i wouldn't know...

But videolink??  where has this info come from??  The causelist for that date doesn't show Dr Vincent Tabak being listed: Neither does the cause list I have posted show January 2014 as a date at anytime.....

http://causelist.org/bristol/03-01-2014/

http://causelist.org/bristol/14-01-2014/

http://causelist.org/bristol/15-01-2014/

But looking at the date of said tweet, he has written it on the 3rd January 2014, that Dr Vincent Tabak is back in court for offences on the 15th January... Now what year are they supposed to be that these offences were committed?? He has a partial date....

Is he saying Dr Vincent Tabak will appear in court on the 15th January 'OR' that the 15th January was when Dr Vincent Tabak had been viewing/downloading the images??

https://twitter.com/danielevans28/status/419090714769637376

His tweet has changed minutes later and then we talk of Dr Vincent Tabak being in court later in January...  Of course the link to the Bristol post is no more... for why i cannot say... And who told him it would be via video link??

But I think the best tweet has to go to our favourite Dutch TV person

https://twitter.com/AlicevanderPlas/status/423405856491700224

( I used a translator online and her Dutch says'#ob Vincent Tabak again before the judge:")


She too has been given the thumbs up about an appearance at court that didn't appear happen.... She I believe is the only Dutch TV person that covered the murder of Joanna Yeates and Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest.. She had the exclusive before many major news outlets here in the UK... 

Or has she just searched twitter?  Because 15th January is the date she tweeted, that being the same partial date of another twitter media person....


Looking at the causelist Dr Vincent Tabak had not appeared in Court in January 2014, so where have these twitter media accounts got their information from is a puzzle...

The point being.... If the media have stated that Dr Vincent Tabak was in court in January 2014 and the causelist tells us differently, then why should we believe the apparent Child images charges and apparent admission of guilt, when the causelist does not conclude, it finishes on an adjournment...

Does this bring into question whether or not the media stated that Dr Vincent Plead Guilty to Manslaughter in May 2011 was accurate and true??

The cause list doesn't go that far back...  So I cannot find that info out... But I can question what I can see... And try to understand where the info came from in the first place.....

No wonder you're confused - you have built your misguided theories around Twitter  %56&

Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3806 on: May 02, 2019, 03:38:48 PM »
The Causelist

There's me thinking that they had some clout and why??

I have no idea, I just assumed that they must be ligit.... Well I'll rephrase that, I thought they were from some government body, but it could be any Tom, Dick or Harry whom set this up...(imo)


http://causelist.org/

I tried searching companies house for Causelist

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/search?q=causelist

One company there whom may have changed their name from causelist..

But I do not know what or whom 'Causelist" is... Or whom runs the website.

I would have expected the cause list to come from here...

https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists

I get baffled by it all... Whom writes what and whether or not this information is accurate and true...

As I say, I do not know what is real or not with this case... And the circles continue...


Crock and shit spring to mind at the minute....

If they were from some government body the web address would end .gov. You lead yourself down the wrong path by taking in any piece of crap on the internet and weaving into your now confused theory. Asking questions about why someone tweeted or posted something on Facebook. If you search for crap, that's what you'll find.

Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3807 on: May 02, 2019, 03:39:54 PM »
Everything that was apparently stated at trial, came from the media in one way or another....

I just didn't know which media.... If we add in The Dutch media, the puzzle of information then becomes known....

This has been translated.... not by me..


https://www.bndestem.nl/overig/misdaadblog-vincent-t-met-de-t-van-tabak~aacbebca/

The point of quoting this, is it mentioning that Joanna Yeates was in the boot of Dr Vincent Tabak's car, and not only that, but it had apparently been there for some time....

How did this person whom wrote this article get the information that Joanna Yeates body had been in Dr Vincent Tabak's car? We knew nothing of this apparent part of the case until trial....  yet they know this info....

I have stated many times, that I believe the information at the trial we have heard about of Dr Vincent Tabak had been mentioned in the media before hand... So the story on the stand was just that.... a collaberation of media stories... And not just from this country...(imo)

Edit...

Translation:

https://twitter.com/BNDeStem/status/66076502374105088

And look the page leads nowhere...

https://www.bndestem.nl/regio/8640507/Vincent-T-bekent-doodslag-Britse-buurvrouw.ece


Is this the origin of Dr Vincent Tabak's apparent confession/ guilty plea??

No it didn't!

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3808 on: May 02, 2019, 03:50:34 PM »
If they were from some government body the web address would end .gov. You lead yourself down the wrong path by taking in any piece of crap on the internet and weaving into your now confused theory. Asking questions about why someone tweeted or posted something on Facebook. If you search for crap, that's what you'll find.

Yes... Crock and Shit springing to mind, seems to be the correct conclusion!

Edit..... All my time wasted...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57CjU62qYs