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Offline Real justice

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4110 on: May 10, 2019, 12:37:33 PM »
Some reports say it was Tanja who made the call from Holland. Not really certain who made it.

If it is true that VT helped CJ move his car on the Saturday morning, and that CJ parked his car on the road at 9pm on the Friday night( as he says he did), then, at some point CJ did move his car. So what if he did? In fact, as far as I know, he has never denied doing so. Why on earth should this be taken as an example of VT implicating CJ??
This is what was reported mrswah

At this point Tabak made a huge mistake. Spotting a chance to frame Jefferies, he contacted Avon and Somerset police and suggested the landlord had been out and about in his car on the night of Yeates's death. The murder team sent DC Karen Thomas to Amsterdam and on New Year's Eve she spoke to Tabak at a hotel near Schiphol airport for six hours.

For the first time, Tabak's behaviour seemed suspicious. He talked to her about Jefferies but seemed, in Thomas's words, "overly interested" in the forensic examinations police were carrying out. Tabak also gave Thomas a different version of what he had done on the night of Yeates's disappearance, explaining that he had gone out twice, once to take photographs of the snow and the second time to go to Asda.

TABAKS STATEMENTS DIDNT MATCH UP

Tabak’s first statement didn’t match his second, which always draws suspicion, they asked him why it didn’t match and he said his first statement was about Christopher Jefferies and why he could have killed Joanna Yeates?

He said he went to help Mr Jefferies move his car in the morning between 8.30am and 9.00am mr Jefferies had come to his door to ask him for help, because the car was settled in snow, they asked Tabak which way was the car facing, he replied in toward the house, Thus meaning it wasn’t in the same position as the night before because he had said it was facing out the night before, meaning mr Jefferies had been out.
 
When they questioned Mr Jefferies on this, he replied why would he say that, “it was facing out which is why he was able push from the back and I was able to drive straight out”

So the implications, it was clear Tabak wasn’t telling the truth, he made a point about it being facing in towards the house, to try and say it had been moved,  it would have been a lot harder for one person to push mr Jefferies car and do the turn needed in Snow to get mr Jefferies out, especially for one person something you would never forget, don’t forget Mr Jefferies was finding it hard to even manoeuvre his car forward never mind doing a 10 point turn in the drive and then drive off, picture in your head a car facing towards the house, then picture someone pushing you in snow to turn you around on the drive.

Wether you like it or not, police are trained to spot these discrepancies in statements, it was a big big outright lie to try and implicate mr Jefferies.

With this tip off from Tabak, this then led to Mr Jefferies car being took away for analysis, nothing was ever found and Mr Jefferies was later released.
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Offline Real justice

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4111 on: May 10, 2019, 12:58:33 PM »
Some reports say it was Tanja who made the call from Holland. Not really certain who made it.

If it is true that VT helped CJ move his car on the Saturday morning, and that CJ parked his car on the road at 9pm on the Friday night( as he says he did), then, at some point CJ did move his car. So what if he did? In fact, as far as I know, he has never denied doing so. Why on earth should this be taken as an example of VT implicating CJ??
How I see it the car was on the drive, because he said Vincent pushed from the back and I was able to drive straight OUT,  they asked Tabak which way the car was facing when he went to help, he replied IN towards the house, the previous evening he reported it  was facing OUT away from the house, , he had said this in his previous statement, so I assume this happened on the drive and not the road mrswah

Much better when we talk evidence don’t you think?


https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/police-stand-guard-outside-of-joanna-yeates-flat-her-landlord-chris-jefferies-has-been-arrested-on-suspicion-of-her-murder-chris-jefferies-the-retired-teacher-at-the-centre-of-the-police-investigation-to-catch-the-killer-of-joanna-yeates-is-an-ecc-1530820a


I think it had a car park to the side as well or towards the back?

Now imagine turning the car around in the snow in this drive!
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4112 on: May 10, 2019, 02:15:19 PM »
How I see it the car was on the drive, because he said Vincent pushed from the back and I was able to drive straight OUT,  they asked Tabak which way the car was facing when he went to help, he replied IN towards the house, the previous evening he reported it  was facing OUT away from the house, , he had said this in his previous statement, so I assume this happened on the drive and not the road mrswah

Much better when we talk evidence don’t you think?


https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/police-stand-guard-outside-of-joanna-yeates-flat-her-landlord-chris-jefferies-has-been-arrested-on-suspicion-of-her-murder-chris-jefferies-the-retired-teacher-at-the-centre-of-the-police-investigation-to-catch-the-killer-of-joanna-yeates-is-an-ecc-1530820a


I think it had a car park to the side as well or towards the back?

Now imagine turning the car around in the snow in this drive!

Yes, much better when we talk evidence!
It seems to me that giving the police extra information led to the arrests of both CJ and VT. The former rang the police to say he had heard or seen people on the driveway, and VT (or Tanja) rang the police to talk about C.Js car, which they thought had changed position.
When did VT make his first statement? I assume it was when Joanna was first reported missing??
Why would he have talked about CJ in his first statement, other than to say he had stopped to talk to CJ on the evening of the 17th (about mildew in the flat, if I remember correctly).

Yes, I agree that the police should take note of discrepancies in statements, but I suspect that at least some of these discrepancies are down to simple mistakes.

Offline Real justice

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4113 on: May 10, 2019, 02:24:55 PM »
Yes, much better when we talk evidence!
It seems to me that giving the police extra information led to the arrests of both CJ and VT. The former rang the police to say he had heard or seen people on the driveway, and VT (or Tanja) rang the police to talk about C.Js car, which they thought had changed position.
When did VT make his first statement? I assume it was when Joanna was first reported missing??
Why would he have talked about CJ in his first statement, other than to say he had stopped to talk to CJ on the evening of the 17th (about mildew in the flat, if I remember correctly).

Yes, I agree that the police should take note of discrepancies in statements, but I suspect that at least some of these discrepancies are down to simple mistakes.
Will get back later mrswah, just off out, Agreed people do make mistakes in statements, there would have been other factors in something is not right here, the police are trained to spot this when interviewing, one is observing while the other is taking notes.

Offline nina

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4114 on: May 10, 2019, 02:30:39 PM »
There's nobody on here called Billy, nina.  He's a figment of RJ's imagination!  Good to see you back, by the way.

I haven't been away mrswah, it was page after page of long posts from Nine that made no sense at all and Nine ignoring my posts that made me stop posting. There are now other posters that have some sense and are willing to debate which is something Nine doesn't do.

Oh Billy is just a figment of RJ's imagination, just like VT not murdering Joanna is, according to Nine imagination !!!

Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4115 on: May 10, 2019, 04:01:58 PM »
Staying with the idea that Dr Vincent Tabak may have been in Amsterdam, even though people do not agree, after finding this on twitter from the time I thought I would add it..

https://twitter.com/KLM/status/15419647402713089

Delayed flights etc....

If Dr Vincent Tabak's version of events are muddled, and there is NO way in which to determine whether or not  Joanna Yeates was killed on the 17/12/2010. It is feasible he may have been returning from the Airport, when he was on a business trip.

Just a thought...

Darragh tells us he had difficulty leaving Bristol because of cancelled flights,

His friends response

Had Joanna Yeates gone somewhere?

They don't find her until Christmas Day...  Honestly she could have flown somewhere herself that weekend, who's to say?

I do not understand how everyone says that Joanna Yeates was MISSING from 17/12/2010

What proved that was the case??

I seriously think you are taking the piss now!

Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4116 on: May 10, 2019, 04:08:50 PM »
Yes... I do ignore the replies sometimes, and it's just as well.... Seeing as you all believe he tried to implicate CJ, and I have shown that simple wasn't true.... It came from CJ's own mouth on the "Count Down to Murder program"!!

Jixy... one cannot always go with the crowd, just to be popular... This case is off... end of, and if it makes me unpopular, so be it....

He admitted to trying to put him in the frame.

It doesn't make you unpopular, it makes you 'odd' and to be honest, since you dismissed his online porn activities as 'looking at pictures' you're getting odder by the second.

Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4117 on: May 10, 2019, 04:12:11 PM »
You have a very cocky attitude when replying! You are trying to sell your crap about him being innocent and no one is buying it. The man himself has never said it and your arguments for it get more and more ridiculous each time you post

You can post what you want and rarely corrected.

You dont read the replies and take notice because you dont want to. You just reply with anything, doesnt seem to really matter what the content is however unlikely or should I say IMPOSSIBLE!

I did initially think Nine was genuine - now I think Tabak isn't the point of his posts - the wind up aspect is. No one could be that devoid of logic!

Offline Real justice

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4118 on: May 10, 2019, 04:48:35 PM »
Yes, much better when we talk evidence!
It seems to me that giving the police extra information led to the arrests of both CJ and VT. The former rang the police to say he had heard or seen people on the driveway, and VT (or Tanja) rang the police to talk about C.Js car, which they thought had changed position.
When did VT make his first statement? I assume it was when Joanna was first reported missing??
Why would he have talked about CJ in his first statement, other than to say he had stopped to talk to CJ on the evening of the 17th (about mildew in the flat, if I remember correctly).

Yes, I agree that the police should take note of discrepancies in statements, but I suspect that at least some of these discrepancies are down to simple mistakes.
I think the people living close by and certainly neighbours would have been suspects anyway mrswah, certainly Gregg and mr Jefferies because they had keys, so too Tabak, door to door questioning would have happened the next day more likely, that’s why police question them first.

Jefferies phoned the police because he was left a number to ring in case he could remember anything further, i don’t think at first CJ thought there had been a murder, I think he just thought she had gone missing, but when he seen the Yeates give a tv interview he must have realised it was more serious, so he phoned up about the information hearing a low conversation of voices on the far side near the gate, he wasn’t sure how many, but more than one to be talking,  he just thought he heard a low key conversation.  He was horrified when he heard on the news it was reported he had seen these people.  This then gave the grounds for arrest/further interview, because he could have been the last person to see Joanna Alive.  The police couldn’t go any further with this with mr Jefferies because when it was checked he was telling the truth.

Tabak’s was totally different, in his first interview (probably just a door to door questioning the next day) he never mentioned he had been to Asda and he mentioned this in his second and the car incident.  I think there must have been a slight slope  that the car had to be pushed up as well?
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Offline Real justice

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4119 on: May 10, 2019, 05:02:25 PM »
The trouble with CJ and I don’t want to be rude, he didn’t act and look normal, he was naturally a fidgety person reminding you of a nutty professor type,  rather odd looking with his hair, the morning after he got a visit from police asking if he had all the keys to the flats and they would be coming to collect them, he said “please” they questioned what he meant and he said to them “say please”  this probably put him in bad light, his looks his camp way of talking and his way of correcting the police.  So they probably just by passing questions with Tabak  asked about CJ he was everyone’s landlord don’t forget and wanting a little more gossip on this essentric looking fellow?

What Tabak was doing, he was planting seeds without trying to implicate himself.  The police had CJ n for questioning but couldn’t pin anything on him, they got more time to question him and when Tabak made the call about the car it was the first real breakthrough they needed, it pointed to him being out at night when he said he hadn’t, CJ answered truthfully and Tabak had made a deliberate lie.   CJ weighed about 9stone wet through, 60 odd in age, imagine him overpowering a Landscape gardener through strangulation, then carrying her body into his car from her flat  and then dumping the body.  You only had to look at him to see it wasn’t possible.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2019, 05:31:05 PM by Real justice »

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4120 on: May 10, 2019, 06:38:13 PM »
Absolutely. I think we can safely say that VT went to work, to Asda, and to pick up Tanja from her works party. I have no problem with any of this. However, I do have a problem with the CCTV in Asda missing its timestamp.
Shops have to comply with Data protection when they have cctv, they must, put up a sign to let people know CCTV is being used and why
be able to provide images within 40 days to anyone you’ve recorded (you can charge up to £10 for this)
share images with the authorities, eg the police, if they ask for them
keep images only as long as your business needs them.  In 2009 the Home office produced a booklet on operational requirements of cctv, it’s about 60 pages long, time and date must be set correctly. 

I cannot find the exact video of Tabak in Asda only stills, so it depends on the picture taker of the still, the date is shown but the time isn’t, but times is not always next to the date on what I can gather some times it’s together, some times the time is top left or bottom right,  it depends on the system set up?  Take comfort in the fact, the video would have been shown in court with the times and dates showing or it wouldn’t have been allowed as evidence

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4121 on: May 10, 2019, 07:04:33 PM »
Shops have to comply with Data protection when they have cctv, they must, put up a sign to let people know CCTV is being used and why
be able to provide images within 40 days to anyone you’ve recorded (you can charge up to £10 for this)
share images with the authorities, eg the police, if they ask for them
keep images only as long as your business needs them.  In 2009 the Home office produced a booklet on operational requirements of cctv, it’s about 60 pages long, time and date must be set correctly. 

I cannot find the exact video of Tabak in Asda only stills, so it depends on the picture taker of the still, the date is shown but the time isn’t, but times is not always next to the date on what I can gather some times it’s together, some times the time is top left or bottom right,  it depends on the system set up?  Take comfort in the fact, the video would have been shown in court with the times and dates showing or it wouldn’t have been allowed as evidence

The video in Asda of a man resembling Dr Vincent Tabak with a date visible but the time stamp Missing... The man has grown stubble by the time he reaches the aisles..

Video is on The Telegraphs online paper

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8818883/Jo-Yeates-trial-Vincent-Tabak-caught-on-CCTV-during-Asda-visit.html

Offline Real justice

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4122 on: May 10, 2019, 07:13:10 PM »
Yes, much better when we talk evidence!
It seems to me that giving the police extra information led to the arrests of both CJ and VT. The former rang the police to say he had heard or seen people on the driveway, and VT (or Tanja) rang the police to talk about C.Js car, which they thought had changed position.
When did VT make his first statement? I assume it was when Joanna was first reported missing??
Why would he have talked about CJ in his first statement, other than to say he had stopped to talk to CJ on the evening of the 17th (about mildew in the flat, if I remember correctly).

Yes, I agree that the police should take note of discrepancies in statements, but I suspect that at least some of these discrepancies are down to simple mistakes.
Ive picked up, 3 hours after CJ was arrested an officer received a call from Vincent Tabak claiming to have new information, he could remember that CJ car was parked on the driveway in a particular position (facing out) on the evening Joanna went missing and the next morning it was facing in the opposite direction.  This then became crucial new evidence for the police who were questioning CJ at the time.

Offline Real justice

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4123 on: May 10, 2019, 07:15:24 PM »
The video in Asda of a man resembling Dr Vincent Tabak with a date visible but the time stamp Missing... The man has grown stubble by the time he reaches the aisles..

Video is on The Telegraphs online paper

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8818883/Jo-Yeates-trial-Vincent-Tabak-caught-on-CCTV-during-Asda-visit.html
Nope definitely him

Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4124 on: May 10, 2019, 07:19:27 PM »