The Defence Will State Their Case

[mrswah]

I agree with your point that because of the nature of the discussion, loved ones are likely to be upset. However, there is a big difference between being upset by the nature of the discussion and someone being totally disrespectful. Jo Yeates lost her life when she was murdered, all that's left is her memory and when even that is disregarded as 'fake news' or her name twisted into idiotic abbreviations which have nothing to do with the case (and more to do with a certain posters need for attention), then it's a step too far IMO.

I agree that some of the ideas being put forward are very far-fetched, and certainly do not reflect my own misgivings regarding Tabak's convection.

[APRIL]

I agree that some of the ideas being put forward are very far-fetched, and certainly do not reflect my own misgivings regarding Tabak's convection.

It may also be worth considering that some of Tabak's 'friends'/supporters/co-porn enthusiasts, who are titillated by watching sexual violence and, in particular, pictures of children being violated, might infiltrate forums to expound his innocence by demolishing the characters of his victim and her family. I raise this point now, because having missed conversations for nearly a fortnight, I read them last night and was struck by a discussion which superficially appeared to have no correlation to Tabak, ie, Punch and Judy shows and how they 'would have'? affected Victorian children, but of course, the Victorian era provided a rich and endless supply of victims for those who wanted to watch or indulge themselves by participating in sex with children, evidenced by the number of bodies, including the newly born, found dumped after these perverts had taken their pleasure. It is of interest that the chief proponent of Tabak's innocence chooses to entirely overlook/brush aside as being of no moment, Tabak's involvement in this nefarious pleasure......................and if you'll forgive me for suggesting it, the naivety of those, like you, who question how such a 'nice' man as Tabak -and nameless, countless others who hide behind facades of respectability- could get away with it without raising suspicion or detection, is a form of denial. NONE of these, so called, pillars of society, have PAEDOPHILE etched across their foreheads.

[Real justice]

It may also be worth considering that some of Tabak's 'friends'/supporters/co-porn enthusiasts, who are titillated by watching sexual violence and, in particular, pictures of children being violated, might infiltrate forums to expound his innocence by demolishing the characters of his victim and her family. I raise this point now, because having missed conversations for nearly a fortnight, I read them last night and was struck by a discussion which superficially appeared to have no correlation to Tabak, ie, Punch and Judy shows and how they 'would have'? affected Victorian children, but of course, the Victorian era provided a rich and endless supply of victims for those who wanted to watch or indulge themselves by participating in sex with children, evidenced by the number of bodies, including the newly born, found dumped after these perverts had taken their pleasure. It is of interest that the chief proponent of Tabak's innocence chooses to entirely overlook/brush aside as being of no moment, Tabak's involvement in this nefarious pleasure......................and if you'll forgive me for suggesting it, the naivety of those, like you, who question how such a 'nice' man as Tabak -and nameless, countless others who hide behind facades of respectability- could get away with it without raising suspicion or detection, is a form of denial. NONE of these, so called, pillars of society, have PAEDOPHILE etched across their foreheads.

Great post April, mrswah suggests ignoring offensive posts, I’m sorry I was brought up to defend the bullied and trolled, especially when they cannot defend themselves.  It’s people like Billy that gets the forum a bad name, this forum was born out of defending a family that couldn’t defend itself and ludicrous posts by Tesko.

[mrswah]

It may also be worth considering that some of Tabak's 'friends'/supporters/co-porn enthusiasts, who are titillated by watching sexual violence and, in particular, pictures of children being violated, might infiltrate forums to expound his innocence by demolishing the characters of his victim and her family. I raise this point now, because having missed conversations for nearly a fortnight, I read them last night and was struck by a discussion which superficially appeared to have no correlation to Tabak, ie, Punch and Judy shows and how they 'would have'? affected Victorian children, but of course, the Victorian era provided a rich and endless supply of victims for those who wanted to watch or indulge themselves by participating in sex with children, evidenced by the number of bodies, including the newly born, found dumped after these perverts had taken their pleasure. It is of interest that the chief proponent of Tabak's innocence chooses to entirely overlook/brush aside as being of no moment, Tabak's involvement in this nefarious pleasure......................and if you'll forgive me for suggesting it, the naivety of those, like you, who question how such a 'nice' man as Tabak -and nameless, countless others who hide behind facades of respectability- could get away with it without raising suspicion or detection, is a form of denial. NONE of these, so called, pillars of society, have PAEDOPHILE etched across their foreheads.

Ha ! Yes, April, I'll forgive you!  Naïve I might be, and I have never said I'm right, just that I question VT's conviction. Why? Well, my reasons are all over this thread, and I have nothing new to say, so no point in repeating them.

From what I know,  we don't have anyone posting on here who knows VT, or who supports the abuse of children, but your post is interesting all the same, and I have no illusions about the type of people who MIGHT infiltrate forums. Anyone could do so.

[mrswah]

Great post April, mrswah suggests ignoring offensive posts, I’m sorry I was brought up to defend the bullied and trolled, especially when they cannot defend themselves.  It’s people like Billy that gets the forum a bad name, this forum was born out of defending a family that couldn’t defend itself and ludicrous posts by Tesko.

I am aware that this forum was started in reaction to the "Blue Forum", of which I know very little, in fact, and I certainly know very little about Mike Tesko.  As I have said before,if you do not wish to ignore posts that you believe to be offensive,  it is better to report them  than retaliate, as it keeps the forum civil, and brings the postings to the attention of those who run the forum.

[Caroline]

I am aware that this forum was started in reaction to the "Blue Forum", of which I know very little, in fact, and I certainly know very little about Mike Tesko.  As I have said before,if you do not wish to ignore posts that you believe to be offensive,  it is better to report them  than retaliate, as it keeps the forum civil, and brings the postings to the attention of those who run the forum.

I don't agree Mrswah, some people need to be challenged and hiding behind a moderator won't do that.

[APRIL]

Ha ! Yes, April, I'll forgive you!  Naïve I might be, and I have never said I'm right, just that I question VT's conviction. Why? Well, my reasons are all over this thread, and I have nothing new to say, so no point in repeating them.

From what I know,  we don't have anyone posting on here who knows VT, or who supports the abuse of children, but your post is interesting all the same, and I have no illusions about the type of people who MIGHT infiltrate forums. Anyone could do so.

THAT'S my whole point, mrswah, and possibly it's missed you. You state "From what I know............." but it remains that you don't know because it would be extremely difficult for you to know. Having "no illusions about the type of people who MIGHT infiltrate forums" may not necessarily make it possible to recognize one of their number.....................which is why so many elude capture.

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Oh come on, when someone talks none sense suggesting that Tabak and Joanna or Tabak and CJ could be related or Tabak could have been in Holland on the day of the murders, that is trolling and taking the mick.  He’s nothing but disruptive and on purpose causing other posters to follow suit spoiling debate.

I wasn't trying to take the mick...  The whole point of this particular thread, was to try and identify, any avenues the Police could have looked at or not.... And eliminate various lines of inquiry....

Or Dr Vincent Tabak's defence team, which apparently he had 2 of... might have investigated a little further other avenues... But the Platinum service isn't available for all apparently...

With the extremely quick arrest of dr Vincent Tabak whilst CJ was still on Police bail, I was trying to determine what methods were used to cross reference any evidence or interview the wide range of people that were either close to Joanna Yeates or connected to her in some way....

That apparently doesn't appear to have taken place...

THAT'S my whole point, mrswah, and possibly it's missed you. You state "From what I know............." but it remains that you don't know because it would be extremely difficult for you to know. Having "no illusions about the type of people who MIGHT infiltrate forums" may not necessarily make it possible to recognize one of their number.....................which is why so many elude capture.

Whom you may know about whom infiltrates various forums I have no idea... I m not associated with anyone.. Nor am I a fan admirer of anyone..

Before the old adage of I am a fan of Dr Vincent Tabak comes back my way, I am not a fan in the true sense of the word.... as some keep saying, as I know nothing about him, other than what has been written...  Rather as I have explained countless times.. I AM A concerned citizen who felt that this case and trial never sat right with me.... It just doesn't add up... And we can argue that point until the cows come home , but I will not change my stance.... And as to whether I feel it is all made up or not ..I still do not know... But it is bonkers....

But if a man named Dr Vincent Tabak is in prison at this moment in time for this crime, I hope that in some way, someone will look at this case.... No man nor woman, should be in prison when there is doubt, no man nor women, should feel that not one person in this world might take an interest and maybe give a little hope....

I have never felt this strongly about anything before , where I have actually taken to the internet to raise the questions I have raised... Some people describe it as trolling...

My God.... So if you believe in something, no matter what, and have a different opinion to others and basically stand out like a sore thumb, because everyone else has a different stance, then you are a troll..

If you take the time to try to cross reference every bit of information that you believe is valid an may have relevance, you can be described as a troll...

You may see me as a troll... but that's your issue and not mine...

I have not been disrespectful... And certainly aspects I have had to bring up, because, that is the nature, of trying to understand everything... CJ... I have been backwards and forwards with him... I have not pointed any fingers at CJ... rather I have tried to understand his role, and that is based on what was stated at The Leveson and what he himself has stated in interviews..

I cannot point fingers... As I do not know in which direction they should go.... This case is odd..

It is...

And I may go away from this wondering what made me spend so much time, trying to understand what happened back in 2010/2011...

I do not know what this forum is about... I have never really understood it... But when i came across it,...It happened to be the only forum at the time discussing this case...

And in my experience, in this case everyone appears to behave in a strange way... which I do not understand either...

My experience of forums is limited... Until I came across the facebook forum of Joanna Yeates, the only forum I had ever been involved with realistically was a forum on a smartphone called handspring/palm/treo.. This I have explained.. many times...

To be actively involved in any forum as much as I have with this forum is a first for me... It is new territory...

And I continue to post... why..??

Simple really, everyone appears to be trying their best to dissuade me.. why I have no idea...  This case is not BLACK OR WHITE... It's complex, you only have to ask Ann Reddrop about that..

So why would she settle on such a weak case??  Why would she continue in her endeavours to take a Dutch national to court on ...

??? What Evidence???

Everyone is strangely quite about this case... I have no idea why... I have mrswah, saying Dr Vincent Tabak is in prison.. There has been freedom of information requests... People whom I really do not know who they are have been looking at this case and investigated various aspects of it over the years.. that apparently being leonora... And I only know him by his reputation to do with this case... otherwise, he might as well be a pig in a poke... Don't know the guy....

Sometimes I think I have made a mistake, coming this far, with this case.... But that is based on my own misgivings as to how my intentions may be perceived..

What actually is wrong, with a genuine citizen, voicing their concerns about the imprisonment of anyone?? If doubts are there, and questions can still be asked, then what I have done is simply explore these avenues...

Great post April, mrswah suggests ignoring offensive posts, I’m sorry I was brought up to defend the bullied and trolled, especially when they cannot defend themselves.  It’s people like Billy that gets the forum a bad name, this forum was born out of defending a family that couldn’t defend itself and ludicrous posts by Tesko.

Tesko... No idea whom you are referring too... Never heard of ... It reminds me when certain posters whom started calling me Andrew Ashman, whom I had never heard of before either....

And whilst we are at it.... MWT... not a fan of his either.... He a surprise in a box... I believe I was slightly misinformed, by way of general publicity, that he had capabilities, that never came to fruition.... And do not need to elaborate on that...

I am your... as random as they come, stupid individual, that thought people cared..... I hoped I was helping, I hoped someone may take notice...

But....... The more i have looked at what is available, the more i question the whole, case... Many many times I have been in two minds as to whether it is real or not, and that is not intended as disrespect to anyone..,

But I know the is how you will all see it..

But the Platinum service isn't available for all apparently...

When Ian Kelcey made that comment about platinum service, I was not really ,shocked, but at the same time I was...

It was a dawning and realisation that the odds were stacked firmly against any individual, whom did not have the where with all , to attack??? investigate??? defend themselves at any time and any situation in our criminal justice system if the funds we not free flowing...

I sometimes think about the amount of time I have spent writing here, without the real PAPERS... without the FILES  or the 1300 PAGE DOCUMENT in front of me , being able to question every detail of those papers/files and documents...

But all I can say... Is what I believe I have brought to the table based on some peoples TV statements, and some peoples, Leveson inquiry statements alone.. And of course other avenues I have looked at, then how can any person facing  the judiciary be able to mount a defence, without the  time or resources to do so???... When it has taken me on my own , a long time to question what we apparently already know...

I am not a troll.... Even though several people say I am... I have nothing against trolls, in which I literally mean, those cute, little dolls from the 60's and 70's..

I have stuck my neck out so far with this i resemble a giraffe..... I feel uncomfortable sometimes, about it , but remember , why i started it...

So next time you hear hooves... don't think horses, think giraffes!

Edit... As for the length of my post... Either suck it up or don't waste your time reading them... It isn't compulsory...  No disrespect intended... 

[Caroline]

I wasn't trying to take the mick...  The whole point of this particular thread, was to try and identify, any avenues the Police could have looked at or not.... And eliminate various lines of inquiry....

Or Dr Vincent Tabak's defence team, which apparently he had 2 of... might have investigated a little further other avenues... But the Platinum service isn't available for all apparently...

With the extremely quick arrest of dr Vincent Tabak whilst CJ was still on Police bail, I was trying to determine what methods were used to cross reference any evidence or interview the wide range of people that were either close to Joanna Yeates or connected to her in some way....

That apparently doesn't appear to have taken place...

Whom you may know about whom infiltrates various forums I have no idea... I m not associated with anyone.. Nor am I a fan admirer of anyone..

Before the old adage of I am a fan of Dr Vincent Tabak comes back my way, I am not a fan in the true sense of the word.... as some keep saying, as I know nothing about him, other than what has been written...  Rather as I have explained countless times.. I AM A concerned citizen who felt that this case and trial never sat right with me.... It just doesn't add up... And we can argue that point until the cows come home , but I will not change my stance.... And as to whether I feel it is all made up or not ..I still do not know... But it is bonkers....

But if a man named Dr Vincent Tabak is in prison at this moment in time for this crime, I hope that in some way, someone will look at this case.... No man nor woman, should be in prison when there is doubt, no man nor women, should feel that not one person in this world might take an interest and maybe give a little hope....

I have never felt this strongly about anything before , where I have actually taken to the internet to raise the questions I have raised... Some people describe it as trolling...

My God.... So if you believe in something, no matter what, and have a different opinion to others and basically stand out like a sore thumb, because everyone else has a different stance, then you are a troll..

If you take the time to try to cross reference every bit of information that you believe is valid an may have relevance, you can be described as a troll...

You may see me as a troll... but that's your issue and not mine...

I have not been disrespectful... And certainly aspects I have had to bring up, because, that is the nature, of trying to understand everything... CJ... I have been backwards and forwards with him... I have not pointed any fingers at CJ... rather I have tried to understand his role, and that is based on what was stated at The Leveson and what he himself has stated in interviews..

I cannot point fingers... As I do not know in which direction they should go.... This case is odd..

It is...

And I may go away from this wondering what made me spend so much time, trying to understand what happened back in 2010/2011...

I do not know what this forum is about... I have never really understood it... But when i came across it,...It happened to be the only forum at the time discussing this case...

And in my experience, in this case everyone appears to behave in a strange way... which I do not understand either...

My experience of forums is limited... Until I came across the facebook forum of Joanna Yeates, the only forum I had ever been involved with realistically was a forum on a smartphone called handspring/palm/treo.. This I have explained.. many times...

To be actively involved in any forum as much as I have with this forum is a first for me... It is new territory...

And I continue to post... why..??

Simple really, everyone appears to be trying their best to dissuade me.. why I have no idea...  This case is not BLACK OR WHITE... It's complex, you only have to ask Ann Reddrop about that..

So why would she settle on such a weak case??  Why would she continue in her endeavours to take a Dutch national to court on ...

??? What Evidence???

Everyone is strangely quite about this case... I have no idea why... I have mrswah, saying Dr Vincent Tabak is in prison.. There has been freedom of information requests... People whom I really do not know who they are have been looking at this case and investigated various aspects of it over the years.. that apparently being leonora... And I only know him by his reputation to do with this case... otherwise, he might as well be a pig in a poke... Don't know the guy....

Sometimes I think I have made a mistake, coming this far, with this case.... But that is based on my own misgivings as to how my intentions may be perceived..

What actually is wrong, with a genuine citizen, voicing their concerns about the imprisonment of anyone?? If doubts are there, and questions can still be asked, then what I have done is simply explore these avenues...




Tesko... No idea whom you are referring too... Never heard of ... It reminds me when certain posters whom started calling me Andrew Ashman, whom I had never heard of before either....

And whilst we are at it.... MWT... not a fan of his either.... He a surprise in a box... I believe I was slightly misinformed, by way of general publicity, that he had capabilities, that never came to fruition.... And do not need to elaborate on that...

I am your... as random as they come, stupid individual, that thought people cared..... I hoped I was helping, I hoped someone may take notice...

But....... The more i have looked at what is available, the more i question the whole, case... Many many times I have been in two minds as to whether it is real or not, and that is not intended as disrespect to anyone..,

But I know the is how you will all see it..

But the Platinum service isn't available for all apparently...

When Ian Kelcey made that comment about platinum service, I was not really ,shocked, but at the same time I was...

It was a dawning and realisation that the odds were stacked firmly against any individual, whom did not have the where with all , to attack??? investigate??? defend themselves at any time and any situation in our criminal justice system if the funds we not free flowing...

I sometimes think about the amount of time I have spent writing here, without the real PAPERS... without the FILES  or the 1300 PAGE DOCUMENT in front of me , being able to question every detail of those papers/files and documents...

But all I can say... Is what I believe I have brought to the table based on some peoples TV statements, and some peoples, Leveson inquiry statements alone.. And of course other avenues I have looked at, then how can any person facing  the judiciary be able to mount a defence, without the  time or resources to do so???... When it has taken me on my own , a long time to question what we apparently already know...

I am not a troll.... Even though several people say I am... I have nothing against trolls, in which I literally mean, those cute, little dolls from the 60's and 70's..

I have stuck my neck out so far with this i resemble a giraffe..... I feel uncomfortable sometimes, about it , but remember , why i started it...

So next time you hear hooves... don't think horses, think giraffes!

Edit... As for the length of my post... Either suck it up or don't waste your time reading them... It isn't compulsory...  No disrespect intended... 

No one is looking at it because there is nothing to look into - you need to SUCK that up! 

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No one is looking at it because there is nothing to look into - you need to SUCK that up! 

Thank you for your valued contribution..... 

[jixy]

I always think its very strange when people explain away questions that they were never asked but dodge the ones that were asked

Some people's posts are their trademark even when they are too blind to see!

[mrswah]

No one is looking at it because there is nothing to look into - you need to SUCK that up! 

I wouldn't agree that there is nothing to look into-----although I think we have probably looked into most of it by now !

[Caroline]

Thank you for your valued contribution..... 

Wish I could say the same.

[Caroline]

I wouldn't agree that there is nothing to look into-----although I think we have probably looked into most of it by now !

Such as?

[jixy]

Thank you for your valued contribution..... 

I agree . Caroline has highlighted some great facts.