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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4560 on: May 29, 2019, 11:46:06 AM »
but he is guilty so all pretty pointless!

He was convicted, yes, but we cannot be absolutely sure he is guilty.

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« Reply #4561 on: May 29, 2019, 11:48:50 AM »
Sure, but it still didn't play a part in the murder trial!

Indeed mrswah, that is why I didn't want to go into such a subject too much...

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4562 on: May 29, 2019, 11:50:41 AM »
He was convicted, yes, but we cannot be absolutely sure he is guilty.


omg so he didnt look at the vile porn either? really? but you wouldnt defend such actions would you? ha

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« Reply #4563 on: May 29, 2019, 11:50:58 AM »
Indeed mrswah, that is why I didn't want to go into such a subject too much...

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« Reply #4564 on: May 29, 2019, 11:51:31 AM »
Yes I did deny about the images... I found bringing him to court years and years later after he is already serving a sentence for Joanna Yeates Murder didn't make sense... They had the images apparently in the beginning, if this was the case, why did it take so many years to bring him to court over these images... That they already were aware of, images that the amount appeared to increase once Dr Vincent Tabak was in prison....

That's why I questioned the validity of the images and the plea once again of 'Guilt"!
It takes a long time to bring a case to court now NB,  I would suppose the CPS looked very hard into this with the same view you take, BUT it’s about sending a message to these sort of people, he takes this with him if he ever is released, it’s not been brushed under the carpet and will be on record for future reference.  Would you want him punished if it was your child he’d been ogling online.  My only regret his 10 months didn’t apply when he’d served his 20 years, but again hopefully any parole board will take this into consideration just how dangerous he is.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4565 on: May 29, 2019, 11:53:22 AM »

Another point that you dont actually know! who knows what was running through his head when he took a life. He did it for a reason and only Tabak knows that reason!

He was never gonna explain that in court because it all just happened apparently. That is what he wanted the court to believe in his attempt to get convicted of Manslaughter.

You cannot second guess someone who likes to look at filth like that even more so when you dont know them or their real personality!

What I meant was that it was kept out of the murder trial. I wasn't giving an opinion on whether or not it should have been.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4566 on: May 29, 2019, 11:54:59 AM »
He was convicted, yes, but we cannot be absolutely sure he is guilty.
Do you take this same view about anyone who is found guilty, or is it those that confess to their crime you don’t believe?

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4567 on: May 29, 2019, 11:57:04 AM »

omg so he didnt look at the vile porn either? really? but you wouldnt defend such actions would you? ha

I certainly don't defend such actions at all, but neither can I be absolutely sure of what was on his computer or how / why it got there. I would like to be totally sure it wasn't planted, for example.

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« Reply #4568 on: May 29, 2019, 11:57:38 AM »
What I meant was that it was kept out of the murder trial. I wasn't giving an opinion on whether or not it should have been.

not what you said though is it? you said you cant be sure he is guilty. That has nothing to do with whether you believe it is connected to a murder trial or not!

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4569 on: May 29, 2019, 11:59:35 AM »
Do you take this same view about anyone who is found guilty, or is it those that confess to their crime you don’t believe?

I think most people who confess or who are found guilty really are guilty. I also believe a lot of people who say they are not guilty really are guilty! There are, however, a few cases that don't sit well with me, and this is one of them.

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« Reply #4570 on: May 29, 2019, 11:59:58 AM »
I certainly don't defend such actions at all, but neither can I be absolutely sure of what was on his computer or how / why it got there. I would like to be totally sure it wasn't planted, for example.
THE killer serving life for the murder of Bristol architect Joanna Yeates has pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography images.

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« Reply #4571 on: May 29, 2019, 12:00:25 PM »
I certainly don't defend such actions at all, but neither can I be absolutely sure of what was on his computer or how / why it got there. I would like to be totally sure it wasn't planted, for example.

Shocking. So the blood was planted the DNA was planted he confessed to causing Jo's death and porn was planted

How exactly? why did he plead guilty to the porn then when he was already convicted. he wasnt saving his own skin this time so why would he?

AS with NB when i asked how the blood appeared, no reply or anything to back up how other than in someone's imagination

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« Reply #4572 on: May 29, 2019, 12:11:35 PM »
Shocking. So the blood was planted the DNA was planted he confessed to causing Jo's death and porn was planted

How exactly? why did he plead guilty to the porn then when he was already convicted. he wasnt saving his own skin this time so why would he?

AS with NB when i asked how the blood appeared, no reply or anything to back up how other than in someone's imagination

Jixy.. Honestly the child images is a difficult one.... And my reaction to that kind of behaviour is I literally want to chuck -up....

I cannot understand how anyone can view such images, I do not understand how the Police, Prosecution or the defence manage to look at such images...

But I tried to tackle this case rationally, whether you think I have or not... And believing that Dr Vincent Tabak was innocent of the Murder of Joanna yeates, I had to ignore the later charges....

That is why I was so offended when I was called AA....

But, if I rationalise it, and question why the conviction came so much later, then I have a few options...

If these charges laid on file.. Dr Vincent Tabak could potentially be arrested when released on these charges, so maybe the defence were doing him a favour...

Or it was for shock value and would virtually guarantee, no-one touching the case with a barge pole...

No-one should be in prison for a crime they did not commit... No matter what you may think of them..


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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4573 on: May 29, 2019, 12:14:03 PM »
I certainly don't defend such actions at all, but neither can I be absolutely sure of what was on his computer or how / why it got there. I would like to be totally sure it wasn't planted, for example.
You could apply that to any case, it’s not the police who searched his computer it would have been specialists who searched chef his hard drives, his works computer his phone etc , you have been given reasons why it wasn’t bought up at trial, not the fault of the police or the CPS, the defence asked for them to be removed, the judge removed them because of the fear of Tabak winning an appeal on the grounds that the evidence could be classed as prejudice against him.  If it doesn’t sit well with you, it doesn’t sit well with me, because they should have thrown the lot at him, but I’m afraid our Law doesn’t work like that.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4574 on: May 29, 2019, 12:17:06 PM »
Jixy.. Honestly the child images is a difficult one.... And my reaction to that kind of behaviour is I literally want to chuck -up....

I cannot understand how anyone can view such images, I do not understand how the Police, Prosecution or the defence manage to look at such images...

But I tried to tackle this case rationally, whether you think I have or not... And believing that Dr Vincent Tabak was innocent of the Murder of Joanna yeates, I had to ignore the later charges....

That is why I was so offended when I was called AA....

But, if I rationalise it, and question why the conviction came so much later, then I have a few options...

If these charges laid on file.. Dr Vincent Tabak could potentially be arrested when released on these charges, so maybe the defence were doing him a favour...

Or it was for shock value and would virtually guarantee, no-one touching the case with a barge pole...

No-one should be in prison for a crime they did not commit... No matter what you may think of them..


seriously this thread makes me want to chuck up as you put it. The charges could have come at the same time as the murder trial but to give him a fair trial, they didnt

The charges were brought to make sure he couldnt appeal as part of yet another conspiracy? They were brought however late because he is sick and likes to look at children being abused. Simple
They arent just pictures, they are real children

No one is stopping him appealing. His choice. He said he was guilty, he said sorry whether he meant that or not who knows