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Title: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on June 29, 2018, 11:02:04 AM

Part 1....

I think I have stumbled upon the why nothing makes sense.....

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Mr Jay
You prepared a log which you called "The inside story". It's under your tab 21 and starts at our page 11320. If I can just understand the genesis of this document, is this something you were preparing at the time or at the end of the 34 days, I think it was, did you come back to your records and prepare this document?

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Ms Amanda Hirst
Yes, sir, it was prepared at the end of the investigation. We have a -- like a number of other forces, we have a computer logging system, so every contact with the media is logged, and in this case was obviously logged throughout. That includes questions from the media, it includes our responses, it includes statements, and, as you can see, all of this information was picked up from that log. I prepared it at the end of the process because the Chief Constable and I felt that it would be something that would be very useful for us just to see exactly what the issues had been and, I suppose, see it in black and white.

It was also shared selectively by the chief with one or two other people, other ACPO members.

Is 34 days the end of the Investigation??.... If so that tells us what ever they were Investigating happened between 17th December 2010 till the 20th January 2011..

*  So how did they come upon the Porn on the hard drive of Dr Vincent Tabak.... 
*  When did they question Tanja Morson??
*  When did they get access to Buro Happolds computers??
*  When were the statements about Dr Vincent Tabak's behaviour made.. we have people he went to parties with,
   we have his employer making a statement, how on earth did they get these statements all on the same day
   which appears to be the 20th January 2010??

What were they Investigating?? Surely 34 days cannot be the end of the Investigation?? But that appears to be exactly what it is (imo)

So how on earth did they take Dr Vincent Tabak to court??

Why would  Association of Chief Police Officers members receive a copy??

This is mental.....

* Sarah Maddox (At Dinner  Party Dr Vincent Tabak attended )

* Louise Althrope (Attended Party with Dr Vincent Tabak)

* Elizabeth Chandler ( Office Manager at BDP)

*  Shrikart Sharma ( Dr Vincent Tabak's Boss )

* Glen O'Hare ( Hosted Part Dr Vincent Tabak attended ).

* Andrew Lillie (Attended a Dinner Party with Dr Vincent Tabak )

* Linda Marland (Attended Party Dr Vincent Tabak attended ) (party was in a bar in Bristol)

* Tanja Morson

34 days end of Investigation and I can count 8 people 7 whom have made a statement that was used in the trial...
None of them appeared, but there statements were read out... Tanja Morson neither appeared or had a statement read out..

So on the day of his arrest... they manage to get witness statements form these 7 people??? I don't think so... Unless they had been using surveillance on Dr Vincent Tabak they would have no idea who he spent time with at that early stage...

I don't think i have read that wrong... Mr Jay is clearly intermating (imo) that the end of the Investigation is 34 days.... (imo)

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Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on June 29, 2018, 11:04:36 AM
Part 2...

  34 days being then end of the Investigation telling me that all of the evidence they collected was before the arrest of Dr Vincent Tabak.. so my question is "Who is Dr Vincent Tabak??"

* Elizabeth Chandler ( Office Manager at BDP) Looks like an error on my part, but I do not believe it is...

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Elisabeth Chandler, the office manager at BDP, the firm where Miss Yeates and Mr Reardon worked, told Bristol Crown Court in a written statement: “Jo told me that she was dreading the weekend because it was the first time she was going to be left on her own. Her partner Greg, who I know, was going away.”

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The night after she was killed, Linda Marland said she spoke to Tabak as her daughter Elizabeth celebrated her 24th birthday at a bar in Bristol. Mrs Marland’s daughter had stayed in Tabak’s spare room while he was working in Los Angeles in the autumn, she said.

Is Linda Marlands Daughter Elizabeth .... "Elizabeth Chandler"??


I keep thinking about the Polices Media Strategy... And slowly everything is becoming clearer...

Colin Port Leveson... Exhibt CP5.pdf  ..Media stratergy

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Homepage
  ,Homepage banner and spotlight images
¯ 1440 inbound messages went to the investigation team via the form on the website
   Newsroom
¯ Newsroom story with regular updates
¯ Updates automatically pushed out via twitter with #joyeates "hashtags"
¯ Updates automatically appeared on dedicated section (see below)
,  Story e-mailed out to subscribers (currently 15,000+ subscriber base) and media contacts
¯ Briefings filmed / uploaded to YouTube and embedded as well as images
   Dedicated section
¯ Set up special website address- www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo
¯ Interactive Google map showing key locations
¯ Video play list showing most recent video release first
¯ Image gallery of Jo
¯ Facebook and Twitter sharing tools
¯ Secure on-line contact form sending messages direct to the incident room
¯ Twitter widget showing discussion around the case and our updates
¯ IP address logging for investigative purposes
   Local pages
¯ Localised community safety article in the Clifton area
¯ Downloadable advice leaflet (the same as distributed physically in the area


The case is all there within the strategy... There is no way they Interviewed these people... (imo) But What I believe happened is this...

They used social media to track and collate Information, I believe that everything that this case is made up from is from peoples Facebook Posts or tweets....  And the media know this.... That is another possible reason that they tweeted the trial...


Where are they going to get this information from?? I have found a lot of Information by purely searching what people have tweeted or posted on their facebook posts.... 



They didn't take statements from anyone other than the tenants..(imo) And I believe that their entire case is based on what people have said on there facebook.... That is why all of the information relating to that time is missing.... I conclude it is Missing from these peoples timelines because it is "THE EVIDENCE"!!

Greg Reardon
Rebecca Scott
Emma Brookes
Darragh Bewell

 I could go on.. but you get the gist... All of these people in one way or another contributed to the evidence, that we found in the media and that the Police used as statements of fact... (imo) I couldn't  understand why the media knew so much in the begining.... But it is all starting to make sense now... Rebecca Scott talking of keys
 and Joanna Yeates Coat Missing from the house... I have all ready posted that Darragh Bellew had said this in a facebook post before Rebecca Scott had stated this.... 



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Darragh Harry Bellew
20 December 2010 ·
All,

Most of you on my friends list will not know Jo Yeates but some of you do. Jo has been missing and the last time she was seen was on Friday night; she made it home but was not there when Greg(her boyfriend) returned home from a weekend away late last night. Her belongings however were there including her house key, mobile phone and purse.

Although there is little we can do apart from help the police we c

Here Darragh bellew tells us it was 'FRIDAY" night that Joanna Yeates was last seen... THAT is where the date comes from!!  It comes from Darragh Bellews post!! (imo) The same with what was Missing from the Flat... Darragh Bellew tells us on the 20th December 2010 that these items were Missing.... We didn't need Rebecca Scott to tell us or the media... The Police have got their information from Darragh Bellew... they told us they were monitoring Facebook and twitter..... That was part of their strategy...

This is why I believe the entire case "IS" and "WAS" built entirely from the posts and tweets on social media by the people whom had a connection to each other...

Joanna Yeates in her life may very well have come into contact with Dr Vincent Tabak in the course of her work... But were they "FACEBOOK" friends... I would say not....  But who else was and was NOT facebook friends??

The ikea guys... now that could be found if someone had posted about the delivery to Canygne Road...

But The fact that Greg Reardon states in court that he and Joanna Yeates had moved into Canygne Road on the 25th October 2010 MUST come from a dated post on facebook on his own page.......  But what they failed to look at (imo) is the post that I have found which clearly states that they moved into Canygne Road Clifton by the 16th December 2010

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Greg Beardon
16 October 2010
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Free to a good home, pick up from Clifton. Call 07919 593206.
Cheers,
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But Obviously someone Missed it.... So If Greg is on the stand and they are referring to a post he made on the 25th October 2010 about moving into Canygne Road.. then he wouldn't be telling a lie under oath... as that would be correct..... But his other post on another members site contradicts that... But no-one is looking for it....

The fact that I mentioned about Chris Yeates friend Mathew I think he is called.. who apparently received a text Joanna Yeates....  And we are told her usual channels of communication with him are via facebook...
Well I think Joanna Yeates did contact him via facebook and that was how they knew of this information....

CJ.... did CJ use social media?? Is this why they know what he said may have slightly differed??  Did CJ refuse to go to trial???  Is the reason everyone knows CJ is entirely Innocent because they know that the Information the Police had collected was from Social media??

Is this why there is NO PAPER TRAIL?? because it is all digitally based... That why you have the online form on the Avon and Somerset website...(imo)... Everything else was digital and so no paper trial would be there....

Dr Vincent Tabak..... Did he admit to manslaughter??

Well it depends on what you see as admitting to having a body and how you could twist it......

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On 23 December police revisited Tabak and carried out a routine search of the flat he shared with his girlfriend, Tanja Morson, to check Yeates was not there. He joked to friends that they must have thought he had stashed her in a drawer.


So by stating that he had stashed her in the draw... he is stating that he has physically come into contact with her body... hence his admission to "Manslaughter"... using this comment...


We had no-one to trial to support there statements, because quite honestly how can you bring over 20 people to trial to make an admission under oath that it was there posts and tweets that the Police are relying on....

Andrew Civilian Mott.... has been described in many roles... But what did he actually say on his social media.... Did he brag to friends that he was a Forensics officer to make it appear he was far more important than he was ???

DCI Phil Jones..... He didn't use social media at the time... There fore he wasn't needed on the witness stand (imo) infact anyone from The Police Investigation who should have been there wasn't...

The searches that sent me bonkers.... Are they things that were looked at on social media... Clicking the Police links they had provided and the newspaper articles at the time which would be on various peoples social media pages.....

There was so much talk and discussion at the time.. i myself remember joining a group , interested to see what other thought.... And information galore was on these sites.... facebook when the original Discussion group started had an actual forum... But that changed and everyone had to start again... someone imported alot of what was said.... But the points back and forth continued.... Now that got removed from facebook.... And now i understand why..... The discussion within that group chat were used as part of the evidence....  Therefore any evidence relating to The Joanna Yeates Murder /Missing Investigation, had to be removed from public eyes....

I thought it was far more complicated than that.... But it is simple..... An entire Police Investigation built upon social media... The embarassment of this case is beyond belief....

Not surprised that no-one wants to talk about it.... But they should.....

Every little piece of information comes from twitter/ facebook and any other form of social media that the Police used... The Police Strategy tells us so..... But they just didn't realise someone would work it out....

But maybe Dr Vincent Tabak did.... And they wanted to shut him up!!  After all he was a computer genius....

How did Joanna Yeates actually die?? Who actually killed her ?? Because I am still sticking with the fact that Dr Vincent Tabak is Innocent!!

And with me getting to this point we need to know more....


The child porn... i think I had said before that for pseudo porn all you need is the ability to change a picture and you can basically be charged with the ability to make pseudo porn... Well paint a built in program or something similar will do the trick....  So Dr Vincent Tabak has Innocent pictures of his nieces on his facebook page and "Bish Bash Bosh"... they could legally charge him... (imo)

I think I need to start a new topic.... And use this post as the starting point... And where I can show examples of how the Police made up an entire Investigation based on what people had posted on there social media and who they were linked to as friends...

It is all starting to get quite Interesting.....(imo)



http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg470437#msg470437

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8826305/Pathologist-to-give-evidence-at-Joanna-Yeates-murder-trial.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/28/joanna-yeates-case-vincent-tabak
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8168.msg426147#msg426147
https://leveson.sayit.mysociety.org/hearing-27-march-2012/ms-amanda-hirst
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on June 29, 2018, 11:20:53 AM
Just to STRESS.... Peter Stanley and Christopher Jefferies didn't attend trial because I believe they didn't use social media....


Tanja Morson's father probably put paid to them using anything she said seeing as he was a lawyer....

That is why I believe Leveson was happy to accept Christopher Jefferies as a core participant.... Because this trial evidence was made up completely from social media comments....

Therefore they could not bring any physical evidence that Joanna Yeates had been attacked in her home.... No finger print evidence... NO DNA Evidence... Nothing that would tell us that a violent struggle had taken place....

Except for Dr Delaney... now i cannot say for a fact where they get his information from... But I have seen Dr Delaney on a TV program working with the Police before.. So he could quite easily have emailed the findings....

Is this a case of Murder by Media... Is it social media that they feel like needs hanging??
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on June 29, 2018, 11:49:20 AM
The Information that Joanna Yeates and Greg went for lunch at The Hope and Anchor pub comes directly from this post by Jack Carrington....

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Jack Carrington to JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10
23 December 2010 at 23:04 ·
I work at the Hope And Anchor, remember Greg and Joanna come in quite often and in fact last Friday lunchtime they did, still cannot believe Joanna has gone missing if there is anymore i could do i wou...

That is why that information is in the trial... JacK Carrington doesn't appear in court to support what he stated on social media... But the info is there...

Someone must have reposted this... (imo) Possibly it ended up on a tweet...

Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on June 29, 2018, 11:25:06 PM
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Vicki Prout

 
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Jesus: MT @DRoseTimes What jury not told: Police found on Tabak's PC, web porn feat. men with their hands around the necks of young women.

3:19 PM - 28 Oct 2011

By SUZANNE MOORE FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
UPDATED: 09:22, 31 October 2011

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The prosecuting QC argued that Tabak’s penchant for what has been called ‘strangulation porn’ might shed light on the case.

The police also knew that Joanna’s body had been left in a pose copied from a film found on his computer.


Now if the name Tabak and porn are the connection, as early as May 2011, there is a mention of Tabak and Porn on social media.

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hot sex porn

 
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Hurt Tabak posted a photo: best mature hot porn gallery pics.. http://bit.ly/9hs0vO

2:23 PM - 7 May 2010

Was the porn inadmissible because it didn't name Dr Vincent Tabak... 
The tweet just says Tabak and not Vincent Tabak..... therefore it hasn't identified him as the person who has an interest in porn?

It's a distinct possibility..





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2055113/Vincent-Tabak-trial-Secrets-baffling-rules-justice.html

https://twitter.com/vickipper/status/129925280394522626

https://twitter.com/hot_sex_porn/status/13548347664

https://twitter.com/hot_sex_porn/status/13548347664
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on June 29, 2018, 11:33:49 PM
I posted this before.. But..

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ADULT PORN NEWS XXX

 
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#ADULT #NEWS - Vincent Tabak: Sex with Joanna Yeates was not on my mindVincent Tabak ... http://bit.ly/pvZ6D0  - #porn #sex

11:37 PM - 20 Oct 2011


Now I believe this is the tweet that names Dr Vincent Tabak's interest and connection to Joanna yeates and porn... Therefore allowing The Information about The Porn to be mentioned after trial....

Nothing before trial mentions Dr Vincent Tabak's connection to porn... apart from a loose connection with the name Tabak .(posted above)..

But this Tweet I believe lifts the lid for the media to post about Dr Vincent Tabak's interest in porn...(imo)

If as I believe the trial is based on The media articles, and social media.. I think I have a fair argument here...



https://twitter.com/ALL_THINGS_PORN/status/127151455563022336
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on June 29, 2018, 11:44:24 PM
This is the first mention of Child Porn and Dr Vincent Tabak that I can find on social media... Now it has been mentioned it is a possible charge to face....(imo)



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ThisIsSomerset

 
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Western Daily Press published Murderer Vincent Tabak had child porn on his computer: Article http://bit.ly/vDIlDy

8:07 AM - 1 Nov 2011
0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes

The link has nothing to show, but maybe i should look at that a different way....  What came first The tweet or the article??

The article not been available to view may not be a coincidence.... It may never have been available to view, making the tweet the first to name Dr Vincent Tabak's association with Child Porn


https://twitter.com/ThisIsSomerset/status/131281224609185792

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/Murderer-Vincent-Tabak-child-porn/story-13721756-detail/story.html
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on June 30, 2018, 12:55:19 AM
The talk of execution and Hanging came from Facebook as early as:


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Jon Ashmore
20 October 2011
Hang him


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Tina Shuttleworth http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_187878317892990...

That page has been removed that Tina Shuttleworth Linked.

This next quote is from the page Bring back Execution... on Facebook

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Emma Hope
31 December 2010
if it is the landlord cut off his hands before he gets sent down thats what would have happenmed years ago.

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Emma Hope i know its not the landlord now i wrote this when he had been arrested whoever it is same applys to what i said





https://www.facebook.com/groups/159527217426143//
https://www.facebook.com/groups/169097479794933/
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on June 30, 2018, 01:10:02 AM
What came first the chicken or the egg??

This was posted on Monday 7th February 2011 on The Facebook Group Discussion "Missing"

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Sonya Tye The funeral is Friday

Friday being the 11th February 2011 now how would this lady know and why hadn't the media reported when the funeral would take place...

On the image she gives a link to a news story...



https://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Jo-Yeates-Funeral-Service-For-Murdered-Landscape-Architect-In-Ampfield-Hampshire/Article/201102215928159?lpos=UK_News_First_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15928159_Jo_Yeates_Funeral%3A_Service_For_Murdered_Landscape_Architect_In_Ampfield%2C_Hampshire
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on June 30, 2018, 01:20:53 AM
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Jacquie Yeates shared a link.
23 December 2010
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Distraught-parents-Jo-Yeates-p…

The article is dated 24th December 2010

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'My Jo could be out there in the snow. It breaks me up. I just want to hold her': Distraught parents believe their missing architect daughter was abducted
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
UPDATED: 07:57, 24 December 2010

Jacquie Yeates posts this comment at 23:59 on 23rd December 2010 

If someone isn't connected to the media how would they know to link the article before the article appeared in print..??

Where The Yeates working with the media??
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 03, 2018, 11:55:13 AM
In The beginning...

I've been looking at facebook the last few days and as I still don't use it, but have an account, which I was trying to remember when and why I set it up... I'd said to mrswah that it was because of the case...Thinking about it, I was mistaken.... 
I did set the account up before the case, thinking about it... I didn't really use it or get into facebook, but had a friend at work who wanted to send me some pictures because data was so expensive then.... I added her and occasionally we would chat about various things on it....  And if work schedules had changed etc..., she would let me know and take an image of the schedule and send it to me via facebook.....  Because I hadn't got a huge list of contacts as i didn't really get into facebook, I had a vague memory of it when I told mrswah....  Then didn't bother to PM her back to explain I had been mistaken... But now I believe it is important..... I also delete accounts, so I could have deleted it and started again... It wouldn't be the first time... I have done that....

Trying to remember when I had my facebook account, is important...
 
The reason being is... did I really hear about the case in the papers or the TV first.... And I am not quite sure that is the case... I really couldn't say...   there may have been something on my facebook page, I'm not sure of that either now to tell you the truth... 

I'm trying to establish whether it caught my eye because it was on the tv or because of social media??   And to be honest I couldn't tell you that either....

But all i can try to do is remember the people who were on the original forum that I joined at the time.... On leonora's blog he calls the "Joanna Yeates -Discussion of the Case" a forum... But does he mean the very original forum... or does he mean when it got transferred??

I don't know anyone who remembers that facebook years ago had the option when you set up a group to make it a forum like this one... It could have been an add-on  or anything... But i distinctly remember it being a proper forum, and whoever set it up.. transferred the forum over to the group....

The name "Christina Rossetti", was linked to CJ.... Now if memory serves me correctly, there was a facebook poster of a similar name... Elle Millwood was there, but I think she was called Milly Millwood at the time..  It's so long ago and the facebook page is no longer there it is difficult to remember if these people were on the forum or just the discussion group of facebook....  The same with Frank Cant... can't remember whether he was on the forum first or group....

There was a lady who was American i think, maybe Italian.... who always commented when Milly Millwood did, she had dark hair.... And even thinking about it now... I do believe I did delete my facebook account ... Joined the group then left...

And re-re-joined The Joanna Yeates Discussion of the Case group... There were other  groups at the time and the reason I knew I had found the correct discussion was because of the people who's names I recognised... The forum I was originally part of could even have had a different "name" before the forum was transferred and it became Joanna-Yeates-discussion-of-the-case  .... 

This is why I believe I am having trouble pinpointing when I started on facebook and when I joined the forum, which became The Joanna Yeates Discussion of The case group.....as I say.. the forum may have had a different name.... anyway when I re-re joined the group... I hadn't been there that long and was removed from the group....

I said that I had been a member before.... But if they looked at my facebook at the time, because I had deleted it and set it up again, I believe they would have thought I was lying... And that may be the reason that i was removed.... This is probably why no-one remembers me on there , not even leonora.... And why it's difficult establishing when the Forum about Joanna Yeates was transferred to being a group discussion.....

I don't believe on the forum that Noel O'gara was originally there, that i think came a bit later, him and leonora, would cause a stir on The Group discussion.... But The Forum i don't remember many stirrings taking place....

I think on the forum there were people from Canygne Road area... Also there was talk about Dr Vincent Tabak's facebook Account, especially when he was arrested... There was a discussion on how many of his friends would still be his friend and they started to do a count as people left his facebook friends list.....  I think at one time he had 43 friends... I really can't remember, but if someone was on the original forum/group remembers... maybe they can tell me what the forum name was originally and if they remember it being transferred....

Also i think the admin changed hands or it wasn't admin who posted the chat from the forum onto the new group....

We're talking years ago... and to remember exactly what happened after something has been removed is difficult, but there are certain things that stick in my mind about it.....


You may think that my ramblings are not of importance... But I think they may be.....
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Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 03, 2018, 11:55:58 AM
In The Beginning Continued....

The group that is now on facebook which is called... "JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10" is the reason i have explained why and how I remember my connection to the case....

The group was set up by Jacquie Yeates... I believe the date being 21st December 2010... The importance of this is was it a private group in the begining??  It is public "NOW" but was it in the begining??

Yesterday I was thinking about this and I couldn't understand why it was set up as a group and not a forum....  There were so many topic's that could and should have been a subject to talk about, yet they "had" and have it set up as a group.... going from the date that the admin starts it....

I don't know when facebook users were informed that the forum would not be there, and I can't find any info on that... But on the forum on facebook I used , they said that there was no longer going to be a forum... And that's why it was going to be transferred.... Come to think of it,, that would be a great way to collect information from people.... everything set out in topics...... As I said the forum feature could have been an add- on.... (so who made the add-on?) And now I think I know why I joined the forum... Because it was a forum!! and all the others were groups and I didn't want to have to scroll down to find out what was going on being nosey at the time....

But the JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 facebook page was set up as a group.... And I question why that was... they didn't need to transfer anything... They set up as a group from the start and not a forum.... And my ramblings may have a point to them..... I don't know who originally set up the forum as I have stated, but... thinking about the media strategy that I have posted about, what better way to collect information than a forum...

I cannot imagine the Police wanting to scroll through oodles of posts either... I certainly didn't and that was why I had joined the forum, because I could then easily follow the case... And what topics people started and whom was saying what.....

I question now if the original forum was something to do with the Police media strategy... On the Missing group of Joanna Yeates, Jess Sigger says this on the 30th December 2010 at 09:56

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Jessica Siggers Steve, try sodding off to the Joanna Yeates - Discussion of the Case group then, a vile collaberation of people such as yourselves who can play Cluedo to your hearts content without hurting or upsetting any members of her family, who have been checking this page. Have some bloody respect.

Was she directing people to the Group or the forum?? I have a suspicion it was the group! But I could be mistaken... It is odd that she is directing anyone there to be honest.... But again if my memory serves me correctly... i don't think people on the forum were being disrespectful either.... That may have come later when it was transferred over to the group... Joanna-Yeates-discussion-of-the-case... And looking at how the way each word is seperated with a dash, maybe that was the distinction between the forum and the group.....

So if I now go back to "JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10"... was this group private or public from the very begining?  Who's to know, unless people remember when they joined that group and could confirm that either way......  We need to question was it always public??

But the reason it's a group and not a forum is of more importance I believe... (imo) And someone (imo) would need to know why the  "JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10" chose to be a group on the 21st December 2010 and not a forum!!

The question is.... Was it the media strategy that was the conception of the facebook forum?? As no-one other than me seems to recollect this forum and just to re-iterate ... What better way to collect information that a forum with every topic set out, with every posters remarks easy to copy....

Some of the stories in the media could in fact have come from this forum..... People were speculating... Suggestions had been made.... People were then looking at the facebook pages of those associated with the case..... Any information whatsoever that appeared in the media, could have come from that forum.....

And if we do not know who the original forum users were or whether they worked for the Police, I gives me another thought that has sprung to mind....

The media have always stated that they were informed of the information that they published by the police.... Now if the police were the people who set up this Facebook group/forum as part of their media strategy... where I believe so much information was posted, then the media reading the posts would know, what was information... And maybe the media have could not disclose their source as it was an active case and I believe it is still active....

Therefore, by divulging the existence of the facebook forum, the media would then be giving away how they obtained their information.... Whether that is true or not i don't know.... But I do know that the original group that chatted about the Joanna Yeates Case was a forum and NOT a Group!!!

And there may be the reason that "Christopher Jefferies" was never called as a witness... Because it is possible that the information he gave was published on the facebook forum... he could have even been a member of the original forum.... Now I am questioning my memory and putting things together...

Was it CJ that was the forum member Christina Rossetti

Coming to my conclusion... that this is the reason that CJ's witness statements cannot be used... And why they know for a fact that CJ didn't kill Joanna Yeates....

Also that maybe why Colin Port talks about Nero cafe... and DCI Phil Jones speaks of the trainer under the sink... Because if had come from the facebook forum/group

And no-one will ever be able to see these statements of CJ or Dr Vincent Tabak... because if they were actually members of this Forum/group There statements are with the closed pages.....

And I believe that is the reason that no-one will ever get to see the statements of CJ or Dr Vincent Tabak or anyone else for that matter....  And yes they are locked away.... But only as far as facebook is concerned.... There is someone out there who has the entire forum topics that they downloaded....  before they transferred the forum over to the group....


Note to a moderator... Is it possible to put these posts at the top of this page ??


https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Joanna-Yeates-discussion-of-the-case/128719860525280
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 03, 2018, 03:43:25 PM
Now i have posted that, it has got me thinking even more.....

The "JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10" had 9,000 members at one point and there are not that many posts on there considering that.....
 
So I have just copied the posts onto a document so i can reference it easily for myself and then, I'll find names easier to find.......

Now this is where it gets interesting.....

From The Missing group....

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Christina Rossiter for sure♥

Christina Rossiter
26 December 2010
God's Lent ChildGod's Lent Child - Unknown
This is just one of the many versions of this popular poem, don't be afraid to edit or alter it in any way if you think it would fit in better with your present circumstances.

"I'll lend you for a little while
A child of mine" God said -
For you to love the while he lives
and mourn for when he's dead.
It may be six or seven years
or forty two or three
but will you, till I call him back,
take care of him for me?

He'll bring his charms to gladden you
and, should his stay be brief,
you'll have his nicest memories
as solace for his grief.
I cannot promise he will stay,
since all from earth return
but, there are lessons taught below,
I want this child to learn.

I've looked the whole world over,
in my search for teachers true,
and from the things that crowd life's lane
I have chosen you.
Now will you give him all your love,
nor think the labour vain,
nor hate me when I come to take
this lent child back again?

I fancied that I heard them say,
"Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done"
for all the joys thy child will bring
the risk of grief we'll run.
We'll shelter him with tenderness,
we'll love him while we may,
and for the happiness we've known
forever grateful stay.
But, should thy Angels call for him
much sooner than we planned,
we'll brave the grief that comes
and try to understand.

Now I copy and paste and I noticed I had more than expected from that post , which may be of value later so I will leave it........


But as you can see there was a person who was called something along the lines of "Christina Rossetti".. But on the Missing group, they used the name "Christina Rossiter"....

This was why I was constantly confused.... So many similar names on both groups...

Now From names I recognise or names that are on the journal I will show you what I mean....

____________________________________________________________________________________________

The Forum/Group/ ... that part has been published in The Journal...

* Christina Rossetti

* Milly Millwood (It may have been Emily Milwood at the very start)

* Claire Waters

* Ole Florian

* Johnathon or John Cater

* Pam Treasure


It will take me a long while to cross reference everyone... But that just for starters....

On the Missing 17/12/2010/ Avon and some from Avon and Somerset Police  facebook page we have ....

* Christina Rosstier (Missing)

* Johnathan Carter? (carter) (Missing)

* Elle Millwood ( Avon and Somerset)

* Kaz Stevens (Missing and Avon and Somerset)

* Pam Treasure ( is mentioned on the Missing group) (image attached) (Missing)

* Chrystal Clair Waters..  (Missing)


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Lubna Majyd Mukthar Akram well said Pam Treasure


Lets not forget to also add Avon and Somerset Polices own webpage to this, because this is where Elle Millwood wrote her comment...

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Elle Milly Millward Nobody with an ounce of decency would take money from the outcome of this case, If Landlords as nice as his friends say he is, he should understand the police are doing their job when they arrest him, furthermore, DID LANDLORD SEE 3 PEOOPLE OR NOT ?


People who were on the original forum/group on facebook then appear on the "Missing Group" 17/12/2010.. Or post on Avon and Somersets own facebook group. This is why I wonder when that group was made a public group and how much of it was names taken from the original forum/group that I have been talking about.......

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Andrew Miller Dyldo Carter tou only have to check his profile out to see wot he likes others to know about him!!! Nothing about him and no one allowed to find ou!! Ignore and delete IMO

(This is why names stand out to me)

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Crystal Claire Waters that is what we are all trying to do rachel.. unfortunatly on a public social networking site it is open for all comments and the advice from some people who have experience with such situations is helpful to keep such a group as this respectful..

The reason that Joanna Yeates is "Missing from the 17th December 2010" is I believe because they made the group with that date as it's title....  That why I believe we stick with that date...

I'm sure anything on The Avon and Somerset Website to do with Joanna Yeates will get removed....  But I am just proving a point....

I believe they are all connected in some way..... And i do not know which came first...  The Police's website reporting about Joanna Yeates... The Forum/group which I have spoken about or the Missing group 17/12/2010

Oh yes... The reason I put "Ole Florian"... was because when i heard that Florian Lehman gave a statement at trial, it rang a bell with me... Florian is an unusual name... Now I remember why it rang a bell.....

Now I have just spotted something else whilst looking at this......


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8168.msg458935#msg458935
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=128782537185679&set=a.128782533852346.21089.128719860525280
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 03, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
Alla Yeates..... Riche prior...

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Alla Amanjot Yeates Flyers can be downloaded athttp://www.facebook.com/l/4d937dDzEf6y6VDbGX3imGwLKYQ;helpfindjo.wordpress.com/
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Now it isn't a link you can click on... But.... start at the http:// and stop at the Q

http://www.facebook.com/l/4d937dDzEf6y6VDbGX3imGwLKYQ

Click the link and I bet it takes you to your own facebook page.....  And that was where everyone could download the image from.... or use it as their own facebook image....(imo)!!
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 03, 2018, 05:06:01 PM
Say in answer to Baz's question and leonora talking about the second witness statement... I believe that it is held on the original facebook forum/ group...

And if another Police Operation is part of The Joanna Yeates Case/ Operation Braid... That is more likely to be the reason that it will not ever be released....

If Operation Braid has anything to do with Leveson 2... That inquiry was postponed.....  And as of now I do not think they are going to pursue it....

But again I will say... CJ's statements are the key.... Well to be honest it's leonora who keeps pointing this out and he is correct.....

Everything is connected.... As that phrase rings in my ears as I type.....

* Facebook

* Twitter

* CJ

* CJ's witness statements

*Joanna Yeates Missing

* Joanna Yeates murder inquiry

* The Leveson

* The Media

* Dr Vincent Tabak ( he took could have been on the forum/group) or any group at the time...

All the pieces of the puzzle I have been trying to put together will fit.....  But as I have stated in the beginning..... Not everyone knew that there was an actual forum on facebook... That was about the case... which I was a member of at the beginning... I say beginning I cannot remember the exact date I joined the forum.... But it was defo different from the group that leonora and Noel O'gara was a part of and talks about... (But leonora uses the word forum on his blog... so he might mean that)


So my windmill chasing appears to be over leonora.... I am trying to think clearer...  And this i believe goes somewhere to proving what I have been talking about and why this case makes no sense.....

So much info is Missing.... But it's the info from the forum and group, which will support what I have been trying to say.....!!

Maybe there was a direct quote in the media from the forum... And that was why it could have been contempt of court!!





Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 03, 2018, 05:29:20 PM
As I keep saying I cannot find any apps or plug-ins for that time to turn facebook into a forum.....

And is that where lies the problem?? If it was the Police that did this forum as I am starting to believe it was....

Then all the talk of hacking might make sense...(imo). Did someone stretch the bounds of their duties?? And make a plug in ... whatever you want to call it, to turn facebook into a forum... Or had that ability always been there at that time on facebook itself??

Is this why we get talk of "Hacking".... Was facebook hacked in a sense???

I have tried  time and time again to look for this facebook having a forum feature for that date... and cannot find anything at all on it....

Go figure!

Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?/Clifton People Online/tweetdeck
Post by: [...] on July 04, 2018, 11:53:50 AM
Simon Peevers....On The Missing 17/12/2010 group Facebook


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Simon Peevers shared a link.
23 December 2010
Hello, I run the Clifton People hyperlocal website and have of course been following events closely. It is open source which means anybody can post content on it, free to use of course, please feel free to post content or email me at clifton@thelocalpeople.co.uk Thanks, Simon.

CLIFTONPEOPLE.CO.UK
Clifton People | Local News & Views From Clifton People's Community
Clifton People | Local News & Views From Clifton People's Community

Obviously this website is no longer available.....

Here's a question.... Did The Sobbing Girl Post on The Clifton People.Co.uk??

All she/he had to do first have a girls name... second use emoji's to show shes sobbing   8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><(

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SimonPeevers published Friday marks three weeks since 25-year-old Joanna Yeates
went missing from her Clifton ho... http://bit.ly/g9BkIk

10:21 PM - 6 Jan 2011

This tweet if from Simon himself... Anyone can post:

From facebook
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Simon Peevers
31 January 2011 ·
TweetDeck
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#joyeates murder suspect Vincent Tabak appears in court and told trial set for October 4: http://tinyurl.com/6b6olnl

Tweet Deck...
Tweet like a pro.
The most powerful twitter tool for real time tracking, organising and engagement. Reach your audiences and discover the best of twitter.


Now I'm new to this social media malarkey.. Well I say new... I have had accounts but never really investigated what you can do with them...That's probably why it's taken an age to understand facebook, twitter... etc...
TweetDeck I had never bothered with until this morning... And what an insight.... everything in front of your very eyes... well I'm sure you all know about this wonder, but I'm a bit slow on the uptake....

So looking at tweet deck it tells me and I know you know,but..... It tells me..

* Home

* Notifications

* Messages

* Activity

And an easier way in which to be informed without switching pages on twitter....

So again this has me wondering... Is this the tool that the Police used to gather information about Joanna Yeates??
Couple that with the information on Clifton peoples website and there comments... And you have a wealth of information at your finger tips....

Any random person could post whatever they wanted on Clifton People... They could call themselves Vincent Tabak for instance and admit to this Manslaughter.... who's to know.... Did the locals of Clifton make suggestions of what the police should do... Did someone on there talk of the Missing Sock??

But my Interest in TweetDeck goes back the the Media Strategy... And Avon and Somerset Polices talk of their online form..... Did people DM Avon and Somerset Police on Twitter??

I believe Avon and Somerset Police had at their finger tips, every possible scenario known to man when people tweeted about this case.... Did Dr Vincent Tabak tweet??

Did Vincent Tabak suggest in a tweet about the Pizza??

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Tweets Tweets, current page. Tweets & replies

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I want to couple that remark with another tweet that I found.....

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Doodslag = new favourite word......means manslaughter in Dutch (!)

9:51 PM - 17 Dec 2010

Now these tweets do not have the hashtag joyeates therefore they would not have shown up on the tweetdeck of the Police.... Now I am making an assumption that they used tweetdeck... But seeing as they used every tool available... I'm not missing tweetdeck out....

Imagine... @mrBrooke talking about Manslaughter on the 17th December 2010 just 50 minutes after Joanna yeates was supposed to have been killed. Not only that mentioning the dutch word "Doodslag"... I say lucky he didn't add a hashtag.....

But apparently searching the word 'doodslag" before the 21st of December 2010 and after the 18th December 2010 was seen as incriminating for Dr Vincent Tabak....

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At Line 271 of the prosecution chart
Tabak searched the Dutch word
‘doodslag’ (English meaning: ‘manslaughter’)

But looking at the 2 examples I have used which one is more incriminating???

Therefore I believe that suspects and especially anyone in clifton who used the hastag #joyeates would in fact appear on the Polices radar, on any social media platform...

I'll apologise now if I jump backwards and forwards... Whilst looking at twitter etc,... other things catch my eye....

But it also has educated me how the Police can collect Information when certain words or phrases are used, not only that, how others on twitter can find out anything about a person...

Suggesting that Dr Vincent Tabak was a into child porn, could easily be interpreted from tweets long before he faced trial.... It depends on peoples twitter feeds and tweetdecks....

So linking the name Vincent Tabak to a twitter handle about Paedo's.. immediately brings suspicion to people following every aspect of this crime.... And why Dr vincent Tabak was not released on bail....



https://tweetdeck.twitter.com
https://twitter.com/cliftonpeople/status/23142079794253824
https://twitter.com/VincentTabak
https://twitter.com/MrBrooke/status/15886767710277632
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 04, 2018, 12:47:44 PM
Connecting Dr Vincent Tabak to child porn happened as early as 5th May 2011

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates killing: Vincent Tabak admits manslaughter: The engineer... http://bit.ly/irSbS6 #middleton #kate #rt

11:16 AM - 5 May 2011

I didn't come by the earliest date by accident... But I came by the twitter user by accident..... I was searching Teresa Yeates on twitter and ended up here at this person....


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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates' parents David and Teresa face Vincent Tabak in court fo... http://bit.ly/nPcmE4  #middleton #kate #rt

2:32 PM - 20 Sep 2011

And as has been said.... "Guilt by Association"

With the hashtags that are used on that twitter post, that persons tweet can reach a far wider audience of people ,even if they don't follow him/her on twitter, but just read posts by others using the hashtag... Therefore allowing the public , the Police to see that a user who has the words Paedo and Vincent Tabak's name is there for everyone else to see... wondering why such a user would tweet about Vincent Tabak unless there wasn't something in it.... And we all put 2+2 together and make millions...

Rochdale infamous for the child abuse scandle... Many people looking at that subject at the time could easily come across those tweets and the name only bolsters peoples reasoning (imo)

So I now have confirmation that Dr Vincent Tabak was associated with child porn on the internet as early as the 5th may 2011...

If pressure was to be applied... what would you rather be hung for.... A simple "Murder" or Being a "Paedo"??
What would you rather to to prison as being????

So I'll just quote their tweets from that period before trial... And you will see how Dr Vincent Tabak was associated with child porn for months.... before the trial....

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DCI Phil Jones said they didn't release any further information after Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest..... But as we can see they didn't need too....!!


https://twitter.com/Paedodale/status/116142751665491969
https://twitter.com/Paedodale/status/66083766405308416
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 04, 2018, 12:50:55 PM
And during the trial... continuing on till the next year
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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates killer Vincent Tabak overpowered victim who suffered slo... http://bit.ly/r2jG6l  #middleton #kate #rt

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So everyman and his dog, whether juror or a person just Interested in this case... could make an assumption that Dr Vincent Tabak, must be an unsavoury character for this twitter person to tweet about the case when they have no connection to it... also not using the JoYeates hashtag.....  But a search or a hashtag about what was happening in the news at the time will give you plenty of fodder in which to make your assertions....

The judge only said not to look up about the case to the jury... didn't mention "Middleton" "Kate" or "RT" hashtags

So you cannot contain social media... News and Speculating of everyday people  will infiltrate into everyday lives... And my example shows, how easy it is to tar someone with a brush even though the porn was not mentioned at trial...

The public will make their own minds up.... having been exposed to a certain idea by anyone... and associating a type of subject by username, bolsters assumptions that Dr Vincent Tabak had an interest in child porn...!! (imo)
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 04, 2018, 02:14:18 PM
From The Guardian.....

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In legal argument not heard by the jury, Nigel Lickley QC, prosecuting, said Tabak clearly liked films showing women being held by the neck and claimed this ought to be spelled out in open court. "It might shed light on the need to hold a woman for long enough and the need to squeeze hard enough to take her life," he said.
Detectives were particularly interested by three images of a slight, blonde-haired woman resembling Yeates who in one shot was pulling up her pink top to expose her breasts. When Yeates's body was found three miles from her Bristol flat, her pink top was pulled up exposing her bra and part of one breast. Tabak's DNA was found on her chest.


Now I take things literally... and with social media there is a Liked Button

Putting together, this button and the notifications that appear on your twitter page, a man called "Vincent Tabak" on twitter could have quiet easily pressed like on an image of a woman who resembled Joanna Yeates..

We all get random people on our notifications who have liked what we have posted about...

But it needs to be put into context... And what was it about that post you made someone liked?? 

* Was It the  mention of hating something??

* Was it the mention of football??

* Was it the hashtag??

Or was it the fact that your username or image you use as your header sparked interest in this persons judgement in liking your post???

Are we now going to say we can read peoples minds, are we now going to say....
-____________________________________________________________________________________________
You see, because I type whilst thinking half the time I will share what I thought whilst I wrote this sentence..

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Are we now going to say we can read peoples minds, are we now going to say....

"Jogee Ruling" springs to mind....

It doesn't mean that everyone would have the same thought with that sentence.... For every individual, it can be applied in different ways depending on their mood.. interests... gossip they may have heard... who they know.... The list is endless, so I won't bore you with it...

But the point I was about to make before I rudely interrupted myself, was how did Dr Vincent Tabak "Like" images of a girl being tied up..... Was it on the side of a truck he had seen an image of on twitter??

It could be absolutely anything.... So to suggest that is what Dr Vincent Tabak likes... doesn't mean that Dr Vincent Tabak was into porn!!

I know most of you on here are well aware of what i am saying.. I'm hoping that it will makes others think about Dr Vincent Tabak's conviction and what was reported in the media.... And how that report can be interpreted..

Again my mind wandered.... whilst searching for tweets on Dr Vincent Tabak...  I found this tweet:

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Paul Johnson

 
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Baird's Miller Tabak likes $CMG but mentioned valuation concerns and this may be affecting the stock today. $$

3:43 PM - 14 Sep 2012

And I find my "Braid"... Showing that as with "Crisis" and peoples spelling error's anyone one can find themselves with a word that was not intended...

I do it all the time waht.. instead of what... I'm constantly checking and sometimes I miss it.....

So what if the Operational name was was supposed to be "Operation Baird"  and someone typed it wrong.. what if the person was dislexic ? Doesn't mean they don't work with computers or do social media....

Which brings me back to Christina Rossetier, whom I wrote about yesterday.... The Poster on "The Missing 17/12/2010 Facebook page"....who wrote a poem....

You see with social media you can imagine anything... you can keep putting two and 2 together...

But if we take a leaf out of Joanna Yeates brother Chris's book

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Chris Eates published a note.
2 July 2007 ·
Spot the mistake below...
Solve :

Param : X=1, Y=1

x = y
-x2= -xy
x2 - y2 = x2 - xy
(x + y)(x - y) = x(x - y)
x + y = x
1 + 1 =2
2 = 1

And the reply

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Siuming Mok Er,

isn't (x+y)(x-y) = 0?

And so the rest of it's irrelevant...

The real question has then got to be... what came first??

* Bernard the Cat Missing

* Joanna Yeates Missing??

* Woman Missing from home ?/

* Missing in Bristol?

* Missing in Clifton??

* Last seen in Clifton

* Last seen on CCTV

* Last seen at the gate

* Last seen at The Ram

* Seen on Clifton suspension Bridge

* Seen at Waitrose

* Seen at Tesco's

* Seen at Bargain Booze

We need to know the origin of when something was reported and how it was reported... And how social media can make it snowball...

Is Chris Yeates correct??

Once we know what "X" and "Y" is... the rest is irrelevant??

Or did nothing happen??


One last thing.....

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When Yeates's body was found three miles from her Bristol flat, her pink top was pulled up exposing her bra and part of one breast. Tabak's DNA was found on her chest.

Now has anyone questioned whether Dr Vincent Tabak and Joanna Yeates were related in some way?? meaning they would share similar DNA?? Or a relative of Dr Vincent Tabak left the sample, seeing as it was low copy??

Just a thought!!


https://twitter.com/StkConfidential/status/246620314153398273
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/28/vincent-tabak-porn-searches-jury
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 04, 2018, 04:05:54 PM
Many of the posts I have made on this forum, have been my opinion... my choice of words... Me feeling like I was  Investigating this Case...

But what is this case?? Because I still really do not know.... I know where I started.. and why I started, because I felt an Injustice had been done, and didn't want to sit back and do nothing if I felt I could help someone whom was seemingly not in a position to help himself, then I tried to find out what I could... I tried to discredit everything to create the doubt that would be needed at a trial....

But doubt only gets created if the evidence is produced to create that doubt in the first place.... And what ever i have produced doesn't got to any fact at trial... Because to be honest.. unless I had sat in the court room and heard what evidence had been presented.. I could question that....

But I'm questioning everything I find.... And as I have discovered it has taken me to places I would have not chosen on my own volition to go.... But the need to understand what happened, as I had seen what I believe to be an injustice... I was and have been taken on a journey across the Internet, clicking on random people... clicking on their links.... And ending up in their world.... A world which I would not choose to be a part of....

But it you look at my social network history or my Internet search history, can you decide what I was really looking at.. at every turn... Could you tell me what was in my mind at the time... Because I do not believe you could....

As I know myself very well... And random action and tangents I always go off on... goes to the fact, that you cannot trust someones search history or likes/ posts etc... As you cannot prove what that persons Intention was!!

I believe I have learned a lesson....  I believe that twitter/ facebook have shown me that.... Because whatever the original posters name may have been at the time of the tweet or post... It doesn't mean that later on in the day they may have changed that name.... Therefore as with the tweets made by the @Paedodale that I viewed to day.... who's to say that when I look at his name in the future he hasn't changed it.... making the connection I made, totally useless...

It is only of use at the time, or if you have the origin of the information... And with everything I have posted i cannot realistically state that I found the origin....

So for all intense and purposes, I have been talking utter drivel for 20 months... and those that went before me makes that over 7 years.....

There are certain facts that can be established, from sworn testimony of a person at trial.... From official document that support the identity of a person....

The images of all those fire engines attending Longwood Lane to recover a body can got to fact... The PDF tells us they did... But who's body or what sort of body they recovered, isn't established... The only fact we may have is the information that was received about this action..

But then I need the person whom entered the details of the incident to be a witness in court to tell me that is what occured...

So who shall I be today??  Think it may be time for a change of name.... I do it on twitter all the time... So who's to say that all of the social media talk during this operation was actually made by the people we believe it was....

Param : X=1, Y=1=0

No evidence... Maybe no trial.... Maybe No case.....

But I do know this.... I can do this until the cows come home... I can put together anything and people will take from it what they choose to take from it....

No-one on hear is identified... (which is fair enough)... So I have no idea who I may be speaking to... I have no idea if people on social media use the maiden name .. pet name or something they find funny or are just supporting an event...

My computer is about to burst... It has taken a right battering over these 20 months... And if someone tried to piece together everything I had looked at and come up with a conclusion... Then I could have Murdered anyone.... Or planned to murder anyone... Simply by looking or clicking on a hashtag tweet or search.. or even sharing with my fellow followers, my tweets etc..

Maybe it time to go back to basics... And have  proper investigative techniques used in stead of relying on what people may have viewed tweeted about or searched.....

As any slide show produced ... doesn't got to fact either....  My God... imaging letting me loose on a slide show with apparent evidence... you would sleep for a week..... Then need a holiday....

So is The Vincent Tabak Case at trial... about "Intention" in the sense that how do you prove that "Intention" if it is only based on what someones search history was...

How do you prove that Intention based on what the defendant himself/herself claims....

Because based on what Dr Vincent Tabak claimed happened.. which comes from the media etc...  His Intention was not to kill her... his intention was to perhaps steal a kiss....

When coupled with the searches... It totally changes, what I.. You... Or anyone else for that matter may decide in our own thought ... what Dr Vincent Tabak's Intention were..... But it doesn't go to fact....

The power of media whether it is social or otherwise that has an impact on all our lives... and we all choose which parts of that media we choose to believe.....

So I am right back where I started... which is Param : X=1, Y=1=0

I have ZERO evidence of anything relating to the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak.... I have produced NO DOUBT... I have gone around in circles and off in tangents many times..... But all I have proven, is that Social Media/The Media has and The Internet has a great power over everyones lives... But it need to be seen in the correct context...  It needs to be applied only in a social context... and not in the context of trials.... The same goes for mobile phone evidence.... Are texts we read of other peoples evidence that what was going through their mind at that time, is  what they "Intended " everyone who read it to believe??

What was this person doing at the time?? what was this person viewing at the time?? what mood was this person in...

None of these tools however valuable they appear to be points to fact or proves intent...... And really we should be questioning whether or not a court of law is the correct place for them.....

And maybe that was the point of it all... I don't know....
With this Case... there is No Continuity of evidence... There is no one person who take command....  there is No Chain of Evidence..

Making The Strange Case  of Dr Vincent Tabak a case in point, to argue that social media has no relevance in a court room... If it is impossible to know where the information started from.... And what was on the mind of the individual at the time or anytime....

I was about to give you my opinion again ... on what I believe Dr Vincent Tabak's trial was about... But can I prove it....

As everyone keeps saying it was about "intent"...

But it now has to be .... In what context!!!

#TheVincentTabakTrial #JoYeates #elephants #surfing #eggsandbacon #Dr #stalker #chasingwindmills #leonora #nine #mrswah #funkymonkey #ENGOL #paedo #canygneroad #Vincenttabak #IlovePizza #DNA #kiss #TheRoyals #merrywivesofwindsor #neighbour #killer

I could hashtag for ever... And if today I did #Indpendanceday I would have hit 20,000 + people who all may add an addition hashtag to their own posts.... 

Who amongst us could find the origin??

Maybe I have come to an end.... Because all I have managed to do... Is add to the volume of Information out there about a man a murder and a girl...

But if Joanna Yeates is real and we believe this to be true.... Then is she dead or still Missing...

Or was the point being that she was never Missing... they always knew she was dead!!

So what was the point of origin of any of it ??? That really is the question!

 #VincentTabak  #VincentTabakToday  #ski-ing  #yeates  #polonecks  #clifton
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 04, 2018, 05:19:44 PM

20 Months..!! I got off lightly... It could have been 20 years!!!  8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><(








Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 14, 2018, 10:54:10 AM
Part 1...

Jacquie Yeates Admin of the "Missing" Group"

21st December 2010     16:42
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Jacquie Yeates created the group JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10.
21 December 2010

The BBC have a link on the Facebook Group also 21st December 2010   16:55

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Jacquie Yeates shared a link.
21 December 2010

BBC.CO.UK
Police concern for missing woman
Police are concerned about the safety of a missing woman from Bristol.

As DCI Phil Jones has said... we are going through the timings....

Last night on twitter I was looking for when this campaign started and as I have stated before it is to do with the origins.... I am not quite there but....  I am closer....


Justin Ramsden.... Joanna Yeates cousin?? Well is she??  I don't know for a fact she is neither does anyone else, but it was reported in the media that she was.... And I take it that the media didn't interview her but got there facts from her posts and tweets...

Anyway... I went looking for her tweets and I found her because I was searching for.... "JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10

I looked at all the tweets from that search and that was why and how I came across her tweets for that period of time...

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Justine Ramsden

 
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@tomlarcombe search for JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 xxx

But I wanted to really understand , when and how the family started their twitter campaign... So I looked for Justine Ramsdens first tweet about her "Missing" COUSIN....!!

Now the timing of this tweet is hugely important , when putting it in context with the "Missing" facebook group page....

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Justine Ramsden

 
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JOANNA YEATES - 25 year old woman, missing from her home in Bristol since Friday night - any information please contact the police

7:30 PM - 21 Dec 2010

This is the very first tweet that I found from Justine Ramsden... No mention of her being Joanna Yeates cousin at this point and even more importantly no mention of the JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10.

Which as we know Jacquie Yeates is apparently ADMIN of this group.... "Jacquie Yeates apparently made the group on the 21st December 2010 at 16:42pm

Yet Justine Ramsden who claims to be Joanna Yeates cousin posts on twitter  at 7:30pm on the 21st December 2010.... without one mention of it being her cousin Missing" without one mention of the Facebook group another relative of Joanna Yeates has set up.... This social media campaign that everyone was trying to get as many people on board, that is up and ready, isn't mentioned by 'Justine Ramsden.....

If you click on her name anything from 2010 is "Missing"... but i found something else odd... which I'll go back to...

(I will post all Justine Ramsdens tweets on another post......)

Justine Ramsden's last tweet about her COUSIN is:

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Justine Ramsden

 
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Replying to @Bristollocal
@Bristollocal PLEASE RT. Joanna Yeates, missing from Clifton, #bristol since Friday 17/12/10. http://bit.ly/fAZCXp for info #helpfindjo

8:47 PM - 24 Dec 2010

Very strange she didn't continue with the tweets....  You could put it down to family and it coming, just before they found Joanna Yeates body... But I have a feeling that isn't the reason....

One other thing of NOTE..... Everyone who knows Joanna Yeates... Friends and Family call her "JO"... so why doesn't Justine Ramsden refer to her as "JO"???

(Why hasn't Justine Ramsden COUSIN of Joanna yeates directed anyone to this "OPEN" facebook page?? About her Missing COUSIN!!!)

So I say it's because of family she no longer tweets... I say because of the situation the family are in at that time Justine Ramsden no longer tweets..... But that cannot be the case....

The quote below is from Facebook "Missing" group.... Justine has got married and her name is now Rayliffe...
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Justine Rayliffe
25 December 2010
Cousin Jo. We are missing you lots and hoping you are safe and warm somewhere. Please everyone keep spreading the word about Jo and say some prayers for her today. Xxx

So on the 25th December 2010 "Justine Ramsden" has posted on the wall of the "Missing group" therefore there has to be another reason why her tweets stop....

I'll add the first tweet I had found when searching for tweets that contained JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10

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JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 Any news visit -
http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/NewsDetails.aspx?nsid=22345&t=1&lid=1

1:24 PM - 22 Dec 2010

A random man directing everyone to Avon and Somersets Police website.... notice at this point it's local pages and not the avonandsomerset police webpage ending in /jo

That is also of importance.....

So he as far as I can tell is the first person to direct anyone to the Polices webpage.....
Justin Ramsden doesn't tweet on that day... she tweets on the 21st December 2010 and then it's the 23rd December 2010.

So how is this random man directing everyone to the Polices webpage?? Why not the family?? If they are family??

Now I'll becoming to another conclusion... so I'll carry on on another post....


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8168.msg473899#msg473899
https://twitter.com/JustineRamsden/status/17300998875774976

https://twitter.com/JustineRamsden/status/18407375882944512

https://twitter.com/fraserjwood/status/17571207670931456
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
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Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 14, 2018, 12:17:11 PM
Part3.... (long post sorry...but relevant!! )

My computer knowledge is not fantastic... But there are things that I know and I know about "Old Apps" on Smart phones.... And this I believe is the key......  The key to unlocking lots of this social media case.....

So I will go back to Jacquie Yeates and when Jacquie Yeates apparently set up the Missing Group"....

I was trying to find out the exact date time etc.... when this group happened.... And I stumbled upon something else....

I hovered over the question mark on the members groupand that being Jacque Yeates....and it revealed something quite extraordinary...

A black box appears.... and I will quote what it say within this black box...

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This list includes people who've joined the group, as well as people who are previewing the group. Anyone who's been invited and approved can preview the content for 28 days


That is the "EUREKA MOMENT..." that is.... Where do I start.....

About me first.....  I am probably the one of a few people who was a Member of the original forum, that I have talked about.... Obviously I explained that, The people on the forum removed me when I re-rejoined the group after the forum was transferred....  But found my discussion group because of the name and also because of the people I remembered....

So I wouldn't have looked at the "Missing" group... because the title was not right..... But when I was first on the forum i had viewed the Missing " group... this is why I remember the likes of "Christina Rossiter" being on the group....


This is where you need to keep up..... And remember what Jacquie Yeates quote is......
This is where my obsession with a certain smartphone will kick in also..... The two connect....
And why the tweets are not used at Dr Vincent Tabak's trial..... (imo)

Where do I start....

Jacquie Yeates quote.......

Anyone who's been invited and approved can preview the content for 28 days

People looking at that would not probably realise the significance.... Unless you are me or thousands upon hundreds of thousand smart phone user of the time....

To day when you preview an app on your smartphone, it is free with ads or you buy it....

Back then there were no ads....

When I used to get apps I wanted to test ,check out, I would download them and they would be a trial....  this is the important bit....

Trails on smart- phone were done on a "Count Down Clock"... you would usually have this time to trial the app for roughly 28 days...

Then either the app would stop working altogether and you would then have to purchase it..... Or another type of timer was... in seconds.... And the app wouldn't start after say... 30 seconds....  and this time would get greater and greater everytime you started the app....

So "EUREKA"......  Who ever originally set up the facebook group, had a knowledge of programming apps in my opinion....

And it is highly possible that this facebook group was set up on a smart phone with developers tools....

Developers tools... Another app, allowing the user to create, timed apps that they invent/make

So... I believe the facebook group and the tweets are all on a timer......  That is why to most people they disappear.... especially if their Facebook/ Twitter account has been the same account before or since the group and tweets were made....

This is why I believe that most people probably cannot see The Missing group"... and why most peoples time-lines are Missing That vital period of time on their 'TIMELINES"...

It's like a time-bomb......  I believe computer code was used that had a timer on it... and when that time had expired anyone who had joined that group or previewed that group, were on the time-bomb... deleting the posts that they made on their time-line....

This is why I believe someone like Dr Vincent Tabak set up the groups... or if not interferred with the group... Remember that "ADMIN" at one point lost control of this group.....

In turn means someone had control..... someone with the knowledge to write computer code and be able to put a timer on the group and the ability for people to preview the group after a set length of time .... that being 28 days...

So yes... now I can answer the question 'How" did everyones "TIMELINES" on their facebook pages have no record of 2010.... And that I believe is because they had either been a member of the " JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 group or had previewed it.... we are talking thousands of people....

That's why the trial is difficult for anyone to follow.... I wonder if the same applies to Twitter?? probably (imo)

So any media group who used or previewed this group will have it "Missing' from their TIMELINE....

And the only information that the media ever had was either from the videoed interviews by the Family/Rebecca Scott... Or what had originally been said on social media......

This is why nothing changes (imo)... How can it... they have no reference point in which to be able to check from especially their own facebook or twitter accounts....

Now I do not know if this is relevant... But 34 days was mentioned at the Leveson when Amanda Hirst was a witness... So is that 34 days after the last person viewed the information on facebook... or the CountDown clock??

Years later no-one is gonna care if anyone looks at this group....

This is just a theory..... And a conclusion I believe I can reach based on my knowledge of old smart phones...

I may not have got the exact answer... But it must be close....

There is NO-ONE  around who can gain access to this facebook page... none of the ADMIN ....MEMBERS or PREVIEWERS... It no-longer appears in their timeline therefore I believe that they cannot gain access anymore...(imo) That is possibly why it is still there to this day.... It's like breadcrumbs...

It has sent me crazy trying to understand how everyones timeline for that year and 2011 of the relevant time is Missing... And all I believe it could be is a computer program that is on a timer..... for everyone around that event whom had viewed ..Joined... or was invited to the group....

maybe there was another computer program line....  that prevents certain people showing up as members...

But thats another idea.... !!

Is this how Dr Vincent Tabak upset the Police... Is this why they call him clever..... is this also why The Police pages of Joanna Yeates no-longer exist??

Because the /jo on the Avon and Somersets webpage was also on a timer???

As I say anything is possible....

Did Dr Vincent Tabak Interfer with The Avon and Somerset Polices Investigation??

Don't forget...

Anyone who's been invited and approved can preview the content for 28 days!!!!

So this I will say brings another question.... where did Clegg gets his information from if he didn't get anything from Dr Vincent Tabak... As Dr Vincent Tabak made a NO Comment to every question put to him apart from a question DCI Phil Jones put to him about a mobile phone??

`is all the on-line form filling that people did at the time also deleted?? Was that too on a timer??

If that was all on a timer also.... where is the evidence that proves who said what to the Police via social media???

Gone" puff" like magic in a Puff of Smoke....

There has to be someone whom has logged this entire facebook group and everything that was on the Avon and Somerset Polices website.... All the emails... All the form filling...

You see I believe this is why they couldn't produce the "Sobbing Girl"...  She contacted them via social media (imo) and she used emoji's to show that she was sobbing.... Therefore anything that was on the website of The Avon and Somerset Police disappeared... Along with any statements made by anyone else.... via this method...(imo)

So have we a Eureka Moment!!

One last thing.... Maybe Dr Vincent Tabak admitted to killing Joanna Yeates on his facebook... It is possible... I don't know... But if that was on a timer ... then that would have vamooshed also..... Or maybe Dr Vincent Tabak put a scenario forward of how Joanna Yeates came to her demise on his facebook timeline....... And this is where we get

Dr Vincent Tabak's explanation of how he killed Joanna Yeates.....  All he did was make up a scenario... like The Yeates had asked so many people to do....

That is why I believe Dr Vincent Tabak could not answer over 80 questions put to him..... !!!! That is why he has NO KNOWLEDGE of this crime....

Maybe his apology is for messing with the facebook... preventing the real killer from being exposed! (imo)

Maybe the media... The Lawyers etc...  couldn't cross reference with the social media because it was on a timer.... And the minute they interacted with this... The countdown was on....

And that I believe is why we just get a rehash of all the information posted at the time.... because that was the only information available to the media....


Just a theory....  but I believe it explains a lot....!!



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Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 14, 2018, 12:32:01 PM
Just to add... whoever set up The Original Facebook forum ... must have been aware of this.... (imo)

That is I believe one of the reasons that it all gets transferred over to being the group..

"Joanna Yeates Discussion of the Case..."  So I believe it is that group and that  forum which is the key to this case... It holds within it... every topic and every post that was made.... some of these posts on "The Journal have been deleted"... But I believe there is a reason of that.....


I have NO IDEA who set The Facebook Forum up.... or transferred it to a group... I was not a part of it....

i was just a member when it was a forum.... and then changed to a group.... And if anyone believes in destiny or coincidence... How strange I had deleted my facebook account and then never viewed the Missing group when the countdown was on...... And when I re-rejoined the Discussion group i had an idea of what I had been looking for ... and the names of the people I remembered....

Maybe that is why I can view it now....

Coincidence or destiny??  No idea....


I therefore wonder what information on that Missing group also disappeared when the likes of me could start viewing it..... Were some of those messages on a timer also??

Is this also the reason that No-one appears to have any evidence relating to what was said on social media at the time....

Just a thought....

Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 14, 2018, 01:27:51 PM
This is why they cannot produce the witness's in court... (imo)... They filled their statement in  on-line....

You see.... Dr Vincent Tabak may not have anything whatsoever to do with this case, to be honest... apart fronm getting sentenced for the murder....

There was a comment on the Journal about someone looking at Dr Vincent Tabak's facebook page... But it couldn't have been him because, the date he had joined was later....

Now consider this...

If someone was trying to implicate Dr Vincent Tabak in this Murder.... All they would need to do is set up a relevant facebook name around the time.... Add pictures and friends with similar names... even add a confession...

It doesn't mean that the ID was Dr Vincent Tabak.... It could quite easily be someone who was pretending to be Dr Vincent Tabak.... With images taken from facebook... say from Tanja's page or friends of theirs pages.....

Then you have a basic story or should I say scenario, of how Joanna Yeates came to her demise..... based upon someone who created Dr Vincent Tabak's facebook page.....

So there are NO bread crumbs for Dr Vincent Tabak to follow.... Everything is timed... everything is deleted...  nothing at all available for Dr Vincent Tabak to use in his defence... because it has evoporated into thin air....

Nothing he can refer back to because he is incarcerated.....

Now that begs the question... Is this why he doesn't get bail???

Because if he had bail maybe he could get some screen shots of the account and what it actually stated.....  Lets not forget I believe that their is a countdown on these accounts and posts....

So did all of Dr Vincent Tabak's evidence disappear?? Was he not able to prove what he had said on social media???

Because sure as eggs is eggs.... Everything that Dr Vincent Tabak had ever said on social media should have been produced at trial..... And it is not......

Everything that he wrote, should be available to view for the jury.... But it is NOT....

So if Dr Vincent Tabak is so clever he set up all of this social media and Countdowns..... Then why didn't he countdown his computer searches????

Why didn't they erase themselves??

Or did they??

Is this why they cannot produce the computers at trial???  maybe maybe not.....

Because I believe that anyone with the ability to read computer code, and doing a search , there would have been a script/code that details, the event of the Countdown and when "The Virus" or whatever we should call it would kick in...

There would be a trail as to which server it was sent from... A trail as to when the clock started ticking....

And if that was the case.... That evidence of what Dr Vincent Tabak did would have been brought to trial.... That evidence would prove what he had done to all of the social media... And it is that evidence that should be on the "RealKiller/Killers" computer and not Dr Vincent Tabak I believe....


So find the code... find the killer.... (imo)!

If Dr Vincent Tabak had the ability to hide what he had written... then a computer expert would be able to process Dr Vincent Tabak's computers to prove this is what he did......

But if Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't actually aware of what was happening around him at the time... then he would not know someone may have been pretending to be him on social media.....

Remember he said that when the DNA sample was taken in Holland on the 31st December 2010... He knew that it wouldn't be long before he was found out.....

So why not get rid of the evidence.... why not get rid of his hard-drive??  Because his hard-drive should prove that he wrote the script that he said all those things on social media.... And it is these supposed hard-drives of Dr Vincent Tabak that had the apparent incriminating evidence against him....

Well did they???

I don't believe so at this point.... A computer genius should be be giant leaps a head of the Police....  Knowing to get rid of the evidence straight away... "DUMP THE HARD DRIVE!!

So i will ask again... Who's searches are they???

Because a man of Dr Vincent Tabak's computer knowledge ,would surely have disposed of they only evidence that connected him to this case.....

Or are the searches his???

Did he not use social media???

Did he not ever visit the "Missing" facebook page???

And every search is based on what he was looking for ...Ie weather... or Longwood Lane to attend a party.... and everything else was what was available for anyone whom at the time was following this case on-line via the media.......

And his entire internet history is based upon innocent searches that make it look like Dr Vincent Tabak was apparently one step of the Investigation....

Well if he was ...as I have said.... he would have got rid of the evidence in Holland... seeing as he knew that the Apparent DNA sample would connect him to Joanna Yeates.... seeing as he is a computer genius...

So someone was keeping one step of the Investigation... If my theory of a "countdown" on the social media is correct!!

But Until someone proves other wise to me... I still believe Dr Vincent Tabak to be Innocent of killing Joanna Yeates....


And it is the other computer programmer that has the evidence on their computer... showing when everything was to be purged... (imo) Keeping one step ahead of the Investigation....

As I say.. Dr Vincent Tabak may not even exist.... and that is why we do not see him attending court or getting bail....  He is possibly a figment of a computer programmers imagination....

And therefore I have been chasing a ghost.....  And the trial took place for a different purpose.... But I do not know why??

So many images on the internet have been photoshopped... why then can't we believe that all the images of Dr Vincent Tabak were photoshopped too...

So is there an Innocent Foreign nation languishing in a prison in this country.... Or does he not exist??

Was he randomly selected from many many facebook profiles??  And a patsy was then available to take the fall...

No-one is apparently hurt... If Dr Vincent Tabak isn't real....  Now we need to ask..... who is the real killer of Joanna Yeates???

Or was this about something else all together???


Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 14, 2018, 05:24:11 PM
Maybe this is why "Blackberry" is important.... they had their own messaging service on there and I am sure anyone whith Developers Tools could make any message purge if the participants clicked on a link....

But me I wasn't a fan of Blackberry, I was a Palm Handspring/Treo fan....  an OS that at that time didn't have any virus to purge the contents....

But with Blackberry OS it had a "messenger app" and everyone who had blackberry could join groups etc... They could do this for free.... As part of the uniqueness of Blackberry... This is probably why kids caught onto it.... messaging their friends in groups for free...

So I am surmising... that maybe the 15,00 subscribers could have been on a Blackberry messenger app.... And anyone of any interest from that group could therefore click any link to anything relevant about Joanna Yeates....

Maybe through the blackberry messenger app there was a  link for facebook ?? Or twitter or what ever....  But I am reasonably sure that this is possibly how it was done....

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Chat with friends on Android, BlackBerry and iPhone:
• BBM is always on and always connected – no app to open
• Know when messages have been delivered (D's) and read (R's)
• Say ‘hello' with BBM Voice – free voice calling between BBM Contacts
• See when contacts are responding to your message
• Emoticons for every mood and emotion let you express yourself

BBM lets you protect your privacy. You control it:
• You chose how to share your information - BBM uses PINs instead of phone numbers or email addresses so that it's more private, and you always control who can contact you
• You chose your contacts – 2-way opt-in means you have control over who is able to message you

Chat and Share with many at once:
• Groups – BBM groups help you share pictures, lists, and appointments with group members. You can even be in a group with people who aren't part of your own BBM contact list.
• Multi-person chats – Invite multiple contacts to have a chat together.
• Broadcast messages – Send a message to multiple BBM contacts at one time.

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Download BBM for free today.

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(2) Palm os trial info

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So anyone who had developer tools could actually create an app through Blackberry and it would literally have a timer on it for when it expired....  There was a lot of open source development back then.... Not sure when Apple allowed developers to start making their own apps... Do not believe it happened when the first iphone was out... Have a vague recollection of talk on the palm site hoping apple would fail as it originally developed it's own software... I think If I remember correctly  Donna Dubinski, moved from Palm/Treo and was a then CEO at apple....

I won't bore you with the details's of palms history.....

So it is possible that the origin of everything comes from a Blackberry phone.... It could come from Joanna Yeates phone... I do not know...  But as i have tried to explain.... The purging of everyones facebook etc, could be initially from an app based on a Blackberry device, that could possibly be sent in an email... Or as a member of a group....

There were many many professionals back then using Blackberry, because of it's email capabilities.... and  it's very own messenger group... It was also available on contract... where it took a bit of time to be able to get a Palm OS phone on contract, as The OS wasn't popular and you needed to buy one outright for about £600, back then...

But not Blackberry... they were conquering the market at that time....

Maybe this is why we see a Blackberry device depicted in the documentary "Countdown to Murder"...  and maybe this murder was planned... I don't know....

All I can say is that the information still has to be somewhere.... There has to be a record of it....  Whether it is on someone computer or Blackberry.... I believe they possibly had an emulator on their computer, to develop Blackberry apps... So even a purge of that computer would show activity relating to that time...

I hope I've explain this correctly for people to understand.... I am not the most articulate... But I know a Palm OS when I see one and I know that back in the day for me... Blackberry was always it's rival.....

If I am correct about this... The evidence that they apparently had on Dr Vincent Tabak was circumstantial at best, because I believe if it had been him and all his many many computers... they could have proved how he did it....

But the purging of anyone involved with BBM and links and groups etc... He would control if it had been him... therefore leaving a trial to follow in his laptops etc and work computers....

But...  you (imo) would probably need to know the origin of the original message as I have said before.... And the "Creator"... Is the person who has the information on their laptop/computer etc...

Anyone can pretend to be Dr Vincent Tabak.... But not anyone can pretend to be the "Creator"... As it is The "Creator" who would have the script on their laptop/computer to prove when the "Countdown " started....

And a genuine Computer expert would have been called to give testimony at the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak (imo)... Instead of a slideshow of some apparent searches that had been performed....


When people before have asked for FOI about any statements that Dr Vincent Tabak may or May not have made, remember, that if his statements were computer based, they would be purged...

So I believe if anyone really gives a tosh about this conviction ... what they need to ask for is information from "The Creator" or maybe Joanna Yeates phone... I am not sure... but any clever lawyer out there should be able to know what they need to ask for... know that they know what they may be looking for......

If the information had not been divulged to council, then council would not know what to ask for... especially if council wasn't aware or really understood about the time trials certain apps had back then....

Of course this is theory... A scenario ... But it is a possibility...(imo)


https://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/3729/?lang=en
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 14, 2018, 05:39:46 PM
There was talk of a "Creator" on The Missing Forum... I hadn't realised it's significance... They had a problem at one point controlling this group...  But to support my theory here goes.....

"CREATOR"...Now this rang a bell.... I don't think Jacquie Yeates is The Creator even though she says so....

Rebecca Scott describes the creator  as a HE...

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31 December 2010
Ill repeat that someone has been able to remove all family as admin, (including me, the creator) and obviously whoever is admin at the moment will not own up. I would appreciate that no one else comment on the group needing to be closed. For the last 3 days I, and others have been trying to delete it, but without any priveleges, we cannot find a way to yet. Stop assuming that we are being disrespectful please, and read posts that have been made before you make assumptions.
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to all members, this is a pm just received from jacquie, to make things easier for them i have deleted admin members except for 5 people.

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hi want to thank you a lot for the time you have spent helping monitor this group, and please pass on to whoever you have included to help. obviously we have not been able to look at the group over the last couple of days as we were trying to deal with everything. it's really kind of you, and gre...
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Jacquie Yeates just read it. dont understand as i am the creator of this yet where it says "privacy: open" there is no option anywhere on the page to change it.
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I love mel's idea of a parade through the streets of bristol, with everyone wearing t-shirts! maybe when all the xmas sales kick off? and getting an add on facebook! I'm sure the creator will love to use his creation to help our appeal!
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Is this the reason Rebecca Scott attended trial.... She knew who the creator was!! I don't know... It's just a thought...

Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 14, 2018, 05:58:17 PM
It is possible to run more than one OS (Operating System) on one phone.... You just need emulators for it...

I did succumb to Blackberry years later.... But it was "The Blackberry Passport..."( treo stopped existing with i's old palm OS)... It had two OS's running on it/ built in... one being the original Blackberry OS... The other part android.... But being me I need to add another OS to my phone..

So I found an app that had been written that allowed me to also run Palm OS on this Blackberry Passport....

So If I can do these  few tricks and I am not a computer programmer or genius in any shape or form... Just think what someone who has this knowledge could actually do with any program and any phone and any computer OS.....


Just a thought.... An idea....
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 14, 2018, 10:54:04 PM
Here's an example of messages passed between people..... For instance... on twitter.. Justine Ramsden appears to give someone the registration code for an app...

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2:20 PM - 23 Dec 2010

I may be incorrect.... But interesting she has posted this on twitter.....



https://twitter.com/JustineRamsden/status/17947578234576898
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: puglove on July 14, 2018, 11:04:09 PM
Here's an example of messages passed between people..... For instance... on twitter.. Justine Ramsden appears to give someone the registration code for an app...

I may be incorrect.... But interesting she has posted this on twitter.....



https://twitter.com/JustineRamsden/status/17947578234576898

Oh dear God, are you still doing this?

Actually, please don't reply. You should show some respect to a bereaved family. Instead of trying to dredge up some imaginary crap to feed your weird mindset. I wish you'd stop.
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 15, 2018, 05:56:37 PM
Oh dear God, are you still doing this?

Actually, please don't reply. You should show some respect to a bereaved family. Instead of trying to dredge up some imaginary crap to feed your weird mindset. I wish you'd stop.

You're right Puglove i should stop.... I am getting nowhere anywhere... It's all a drama.... Literally... everything is scripted.... I even thought that "The Lost Honour of Christopher Jefferies".. Was something new.....

But of course it isn't..!!!!!  it is taken I believe from the blog by the exact same name....  which was written 1/1/2011..

So everything we have ever seen or heard has come from the Internet....  And stops the minute that Dr Vincent Tabak is arrested.... everything stops.... I have tried everything and no one is Interested... well who ever killed Joanna Yeates... If she is even real... You have got away with it....  If your religious... then you will get you just desserts when you meet your maker....

I for one cannot do this on my own....  I have tried to look at virtually every angle... obviously some I cannot go there.... But enjoy the fruits of your labour , who ever you are..... Reap the rewards of your Creation... !!

Despicable human being!




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Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?/ Bar None!!
Post by: [...] on July 15, 2018, 08:40:07 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg473342#msg473342

The Joanna Yeates double i remarked upon.... Well I believe it to be Justine Ramsden Joanna Yeates cousin.... (imo)

Joanna Yeates cousin attending trial.... But was it in a legal capacity??  You may have an incline I have lost the plot but I do not believe so....

Justine Ramsden is a Lawyer.... (Justine Rayliffe her now married name ...) But it appears she is a practicing Lawyer...

Now why is a Qualified Lawyer, engaging in Facebook and twitter surrounding this huge Investigation...

I am positive it is the same person... No doubt someone will tell me I am off my head.....


Why on earth is a person who's been called to the bar in July 2010... puts herself at the forefront of this Investigation, by being the first person to tweet about Joanna Yeates being Missing as far as i can find....  The constantly commenting on Facebook about her "Missing Cousin"... And the what seems to be making an appearance at court with The Yeates...


Shouldn't she have kept out of this !!!

How can a member of the bar actively associate themselves with this case???  Conflict of Interests anyone!!!




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Post by: [...] on July 15, 2018, 08:47:27 PM
Here are her tweets...

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@ladyloki PLEASE RT. Joanna Yeates, missing from Clifton, #bristol since Friday 17/12/10. http://bit.ly/fAZCXp for info #helpfindjo

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@MickSwift #helpfindjo Please spread the word about my missing cousin Joanna Yeates. If anyone has any info please contact police. Thanks”

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JOANNA YEATES - 25 year old woman, missing from her home in Bristol since Friday night - any information please contact the police

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@delanceyphoto good idea, il pass it on. #helpfindjo Please spread the word about my missing cousin Joanna Yeates. Thanks

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@elliegoulding www.helpfindjo.wordpress.com Please bring my cousin Joanna Yeates back safe to us. Please RT and raise awareness. Thank you

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@tomlarcombe search for JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 xxx

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@Lord_Sugar www.helpfindjo.wordpress.com Please bring my cousin Joanna Yeates back safe to us. Please RT and spread awareness. Thank you

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@lord_sugar RT Please RT. Joanna Yeates, missing from Clifton since Friday 17/12 http://bit.ly/fAZCXp #helpfindjo”

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followed by her Facebook Posts....
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
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Justine Rayliffe
25 December 2010
The person below has been reported to the poliice, who are going to investigate it. Please stop commenting on his post and please post nice things xxx
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Why is she getting involved!!

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YEATES os now trending 8th on twitter, which is amazing. Lets try and get it to number 1 by retweeting YEATES and targetting celebrities. Thanks everyone x
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If anyone is going flyering today...BBC reported Nicola Pearson is keen to talk to people who are flyering. Im organising flyers being printed for Chris to take this afternoon, but if anyone is flyering now then please contact her on 07711 910 952 as she wants to get something on the lunchtime news.
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Cousin Jo. We are missing you lots and hoping you are safe and warm somewhere. Please everyone keep spreading the word about Jo and say some prayers for her today. Xxx
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Please watch the 10pm news and see if it triggers any recollection of seeing Jo on Friday night or at the weekend (or since I guess) xxx

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The family of a woman who has been missing from her home in Bristol since Friday are to make a fresh appeal for information.
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Chris has just got this up and running. It just redirects people to the 'wordepress' site which we have been using anyway. Maybe easier for people to remember and maybe something that can be used in tweets and new posts on facebook...thanks guys xxxx

HELPFINDJO.WORDPRESS.COM
Help Find Jo Yeates
On Friday 17/12/2010, 25 year old landscape architect Joanna Yeates left the Bristol Ram pub at approximately 8pm. She headed home to her house in Canynge Rd, Clifton via Waitrose on Clifton Triangle and the Tesco Express on Regent Street at 8:40pm. She has not been seen or heard from since. Jo is
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Anyone who is going to Christingle, Midnight Mass or any other religious celebration today/tonight - please say a prayer for Jo, and ask those conducting the service to do the same please please. xx
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Please everyone - ignore the post below and repost only support please. x

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Please everyone stay positive and just keep asking people to see if they recognise her from that weekend. Knowing where she went or where someone may have taken her is the best way we have of getting her back with us safe and sound for christmas xxx

I could keep going but you get the picture...

Facebook....  https://www.facebook.com/justine.ramsden which i clicked on from the "Missing Forum"!!






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Post by: [...] on July 15, 2018, 10:01:45 PM
Oh dear God, are you still doing this?

Actually, please don't reply. You should show some respect to a bereaved family. Instead of trying to dredge up some imaginary crap to feed your weird mindset. I wish you'd stop.

Maybe you are right on seconds thoughts.... No-one gives a crap.... !
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 15, 2018, 10:29:28 PM
Finally.... Was it a Moot trial... Justine Ramsden finished her pupillage in 2011 ?? Or is that coincidence...

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Justine was called to the Bar in July 2010 and accepted tenancy at Harcourt Chambers following the successful completion of her pupillage in 2011.

 

Before studying law, Justine read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Worcester College, Oxford.  She completed her Graduate Diploma in Law with Distinction, and obtained an Outstanding in 2010 in the Bar Vocational Course from the College of Law, London.

 

As a member of Lincoln’s Inn Justine has been awarded the following scholarships: Hardwicke Entrance Scholarship (2008), Sir Thomas More Bursary (2009 BVC Award), Sarah Wadham Bursary (2009 BVC Award), Buchanan Prize (2010 BVC Award) and Wolfson Scholarship (2010 Pupillage Award).

 

PRACTICE

 

Justine is a family law specialist.  She has represented clients in the High Court, County Court and Family Proceedings Court, and has been led in two public law children cases by John Vater QC involving allegations of the most serious kind.

 

Justine treats every client as an individual and ensures each of them feels listened to and understood. She appreciates that not everyone has attended court before, so takes the time to reassure clients and explain what is going to happen at each stage of the process.  Justine is particularly good with clients who are vulnerable and those who may be very anxious or distressed.

 

Having represented clients who do not use English as their first language, Justine is experienced at conducting conferences and hearings using a translator.

 

Justine gave a Public Law Update and spoke about the effects of the President’s reforms at the public children law seminar in Oxford on 9th May 2014.  She then spoke at the Northamptonshire Family Justice Board Conference on 23rd January 2015 where she presented a practical guide to parallel planning and the reasons why assessments of alternative carers must begin earlier in the PLO process.

 

Most recently Justine gave a talk addressing the forensic process, analysing the cases of Re A (A Child) [2015] EWFC 11 and Re J (A Child) [2015] EWCA Civ 222 and what these decisions meant for practitioners.

 

PUBLIC LAW

 

In public law proceedings Justine acts for local authorities, guardians, parents, grandparents and interveners.  She has much experience in cases of this nature representing clients at contested removal hearings, interim hearings and fully contested final hearings.  She has also dealt with special guardianship, adoption and revocation of placement orders.  Her cases have covered issues such as capacity, mental illness, domestic violence, suspected physical abuse, drug and alcohol problems, neglect and emotional harm.

 

Justine appeared on behalf of Coventry City Council in the care proceedings arising out of the systematic torture and murder of Daniel Pelka.  She was junior to John Vater QC during the fact finding hearing before going on to represent the local authority alone at the disclosure hearing and final hearing.

 

PRIVATE LAW

 

Justine has a strong private law children practice.  She has undertaken work in a wide range of private law matters representing parents and guardians as well as other family members.  Justine has experience in private law fact finding hearings including those concerning alleged sexual abuse, domestic violence and parental alienation.

 

INJUNCTION PROCEEDINGS

 

Another key part of Justine’s practice is representing clients in injunction proceedings under the Family Law Act 1996.  She has experience in both ex parte hearings and contested hearings.   Justine understands that clients facing an order forcing them out of their home and clients who are driven to apply for such orders out of fear are often very upset and stressed.  She provides a listening ear during the turmoil whilst ensuring her clients know their prospects of success and the options available to them.

 

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Family Law Bar Association

Or did she influence proceedings in any way??

http://www.harcourtchambers.co.uk/members/justine-ramsden
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 16, 2018, 10:32:41 AM
Part 1....

I have been trying to understand how everything is reported at roughly the same time... And I came across and interesting tweet from one of Joanna Yeates friends....

I had said that everything was connected in someway...  Twitter, Facebook, etc maybe more...  I have talked of writing programs on laptops/ phones etc... What I had forgotten from years ago, was Beta Apps... Where so many people get to test an app before it is released to the public..

Joanna Yeates gets talked of in terms of "Campaign"... which is an odd word to use really...

So i was looking for an app designer... and i may have found one...

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#Android app is looking really good, much nicer to design for than #iPhone in my opinion. Anyway, weekend has landed, time to head home.

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Need to think about integrating Facebook Places into the service. It's just a foursquare clone really.

11:02 AM - 19 Aug 2010

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@ml4dTest nice work mate.

10:06 PM - 7 Oct 2010 from City of Bristol, England

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@lukeaikman it doesn't even show your current location.

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@lukeaikman I was replying to your test tweet from Nudge Social, berating its lack of geo-pos :-)

12:53 PM - 31 Aug 2010


https://twitter.com/nickobrooko/status/21680435793
https://twitter.com/nickobrooko/status/21565388264
https://twitter.com/nickobrooko/status/26685055861
https://twitter.com/LoccitApp
https://twitter.com/nickobrooko/status/22273684389
https://twitter.com/nickobrooko/status/22609191634
Title: Re: A Case built on Social media?
Post by: [...] on July 16, 2018, 10:34:13 AM
Part2...

This leads to some weird site.... not what i was expecting...

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Check out this awesome site http://www.urbanventura.com/ more products coming soon

2:11 PM - 5 Oct 2010



Here is an historic moment for him..

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This is a first post from the android app. Historic.

12:02 PM - 6 Oct 2010

Pops to the Ram on a Friday night..

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having a nice pint in the ram after a 14 day week.

6:28 PM - 8 Oct 2010

To me if I was investigating... I would have thoroughly checked all her friends... It now has me questioning if Joanna Yeates had tested this app?

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All this testing is becoming quite testing.

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Very Quick test

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https://twitter.com/nickobrooko/status/26454730956
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https://twitter.com/nickobrooko/status/28775621734
https://twitter.com/nickobrooko/status/4582600039473153
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Post by: [...] on July 16, 2018, 10:36:22 AM
Part3...


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Loccit v0.2a "RAM". Going out to testers tonight. Slowly getting there.

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So is the whole social media campaign about an app called "Loccit" ??

Was JoYeates a campaign to see if it worked across all medias... ??

Did they use Joanna Yeates phone to work out her locations??

Was Joanna Yeates a tester for this app.... Or is "Joanna Yeates" the test??


Nicko brooko is the person who provides the dropbox images...

From Facebook "Missing group"
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PDF posters now available in A5, A4 and A3. If anyone has any changes they think should be made I can make them.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6069…/joyeates_missing_poster_a3.pdf

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6069…/joyeates_missing_poster_a4.pdf

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6069…/joyeates_missing_poster_a5.pdf

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Twitter he say he needs more space..

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Seriously in need of more @Dropbox space, please help by installing the most useful file storage tool out there http://db.tt/zhUSi9T

2:47 PM - 13 Dec 2010

They closed the testing on 1st November 2010

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- APPLICATIONS FOR LOCCIT (BETA) TESTING ARE NOW CLOSED -

Thanks for your help and apologies for those who didn't get a chance to test Loccit this time around!

Never fear though, Loccit will be back in a couple of months for its pre-launch testing and I'll make sure that everyone who replied to this post gets first pick early next year!

All the best,
Fraser & The Loccit Team
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So.... is Nicko Brooko a candidate for being 'The Creator"??   He appears to be the creator with his tweet

Loccit v0.2a "RAM". Going out to testers tonight. Slowly getting there.


Like any new app that is being tested, it will have bugs and flaws ... It may do something unexpected... we have no idea...



https://twitter.com/nickobrooko/status/5015327503032320
https://twitter.com/nickobrooko/status/14330491805106176
https://androidforums.com/threads/loccit-beta-help-test-our-brand-new-social-media-app.210270/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=449207545
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Post by: [...] on July 16, 2018, 10:49:58 AM
Part4...  "Loccit"

[Make Journaling a Breeze With Loccit Social Networking
Make Journaling a Breeze With Loccit
Shaun Takenouchi on October 10th 2012
Diary, Journal, Memories, Private, social networks
I have always been jealous of others that are able to be disciplined enough to keep a journal and be consistent with it. I have tried so many different times to start one, only to stop in a week or two. I tried a variety of ways to make this happen, including pen and paper,  typing, using cool apps to do it, but nothing seems to work for me. I struggle with this because, I feel like I am at a point in my life where I want to be more reflective as there are some very significant things happening right now and I want to be able to look back on them and see what my thoughts were.

A few weeks ago, I came across a web app called Loccit, that takes a different approach on journaling. When I watched their video on how it works, I started to realize that they may be on to something. Their whole premise is to take the apps that you use on an every day basis to share what is going on in your life and bundle them into one to create your own journal. Now, there are other similar services out there that do this, but this one just seemed like it was interesting to try.


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Creating Your Diary
The first thing you need to do after you sign up to use Loccit, is to connect as many social networking services as you desire and you will see why in a second. You can connect to most of the major networks out there, like Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, Foursquare and Flickr. My opinion is if you want to get the most out of the experience, connect to all the ones that you use the most.
(https://cdn.appstorm.net/web.appstorm.net/files/2012/10/Screen-Shot-2012-10-09-at-12.14.37-PM.png)

Once you are done pulling in all of your social networks, then it is time to start making your journal your own. The whole point of Loccit is to make journal entries easy for you, and their idea is that the easiest way is to pull from your social feeds to make this happen. So, you can literally do nothing after you have connected all of your social networks because Loccit will take all of the things that you post and put it in your journal for you. For the ultra lazy, this is really a nice option to have as you don’t have to do any work after the initial set up.
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For those of you that want a little more control and actually want to contribute to your journal, you have that option as well. You have the can write your own entry to add to your story and you can post photos as well as send it out to your social networks. The nice part is that you can create chapters within your journal and entries to them as well.
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The last option to adding content to your diary is actually an interesting one. You can go back into all of your social networks that you connected to Loccit and you can select posts from other people to add to your journal. For example, if there is a tweet that someone else posted that you want to add, you can click on “+” button and it will add it to your journal. You can also add your words as to why you decided to add it to your journal or just your thoughts on it. This is a great option for those of you that want to create a chapter in your journal around an event or something similar.
(https://cdn.appstorm.net/web.appstorm.net/files/2012/10/Screen-Shot-2012-10-09-at-12.31.09-PM.png)Getting That Journal on Paper and Much More
This is where Loccit is going to make their money, which I don’t blame them for wanting to do this. A lot of times, people want their journal in the physical form and not necessarily always online. Loccit has a store where you can actually purchase your journal in a physical book for around $30. That is actually kind of a cool option for people who want this. But, this store is so much more than just printing your diary, you can create cards, notebooks, calendars, mugs, etc, with your pictures. I don’t know if I like all of the other stuff that you can design and buy, as to me it takes away from the fact that you can purchase your journal. I get that they want to make money, but I think they should stick to the focus of printing just the journals.[/img]

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Overall Thoughts
I definitely like the concept behind Loccit and how easy it is to create yourself an online journal by using your social networks. It is very easy to use and I like that you have a variety of options for getting content into your journal. There are a few things that bugged me about the app as well though. I thought the design of the web app could be improved upon and it was really slow at times. I also thought they should focus their store more on the journal aspect and not on all the other stuff, in my opinion, it just made them look a little more tacky.

All that to say, this was one journal app that I could see myself using. I am the type of guy that doesn’t like to spend a lot of time writing in a journal, but I still want to capture the moments of my life. This gives me that opportunity and the nice part is that I can go back into it at any time and add my thoughts where I see fit. Now, I don’t have to worry if I am going to miss adding something because usually when I am chronicling something important in my life it is on one of my social networks and if not, I can always manually add it to Loccit. Go and check it out for yourself and if you have always wanted to journal, but never knew where to start, this is a great way to get the ball rolling.]


This I find Interesting...
The last option to adding content to your diary is actually an interesting one. You can go back into all of your social networks that you connected to Loccit and you can select posts from other people to add to your journal. For example, if there is a tweet that someone else posted that you want to add, you can click on “+” button and it will add it to your journal. You can also add your words as to why you decided to add it to your journal or just your thoughts on it. This is a great option for those of you that want to create a chapter in your journal around an event or something similar.

The ability to select other peoples posts... what else did it do??

So the entire case could literally be built around one app, and the entries if I understand could also be from one person....

Did Dr Vincent Tabak test Loccit?? Did he add entries?  Did he create the facebook forum...

Finding out about this app only leads to more questions....

I don't think it is available now... which for all that hard work seems a shame... And Interesting idea in an app!

https://web.appstorm.net/reviews/social-networking/make-journaling-a-breeze-with-loccit/


I try to understand how this case evolved, and which scenario's could play a part in it.....  I have just looked at how it was possible for this media campaign on "Joanna yeates" took shape... And if "Loccit" had been used to post across social media.. If Loccit had been used to find peoples posts? If "Loccit" was responsible for all of the information out there....

I don't know... It just a suggestion....  It's an idea that should have been Investigated by the Police... 

You see... i do not understand how on earth the apparently managed to arrest Dr Vincent Tabak in a matter of weeks after Joanna Yeates was found dead....  If there was an App such as this... The Investigation, should have taken considerably longer... (imo)

They would have needed to establish who originally said what??  And what the correct date was of these posts etc...

All I can say is, I have found an alternative way in which someones journal.. and social media accounts can be combined into one...

So did Joanna Yeates have this app... Did Joanna Yeates write in her journal on this app?? Is this the reason the timings are all incorrect??

Remember these are my ideas I put forward from what I have found on the Internet... But they are a bit of a revelation (imo) As to what one developer/any developer can do with a phone?

That just popped a light on... The question surrounding a mobile phone that Dr Vincent Tabak would only talk of.... Is it to do with this App??

Edit.. ["Like the article? You should subscribe and follow us on twitter.]

Is this what the 15,000+ subscribers where that is described in the Media Strategy? Just a thought!


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Post by: [...] on July 16, 2018, 12:35:55 PM
The case that was 34 days of Investigation from start to finish..... According to Amanda Hirst at The Leveson...

Now I will question.... Did the Police use this "APP"... did the trial date run out??  Because 34 days seems an incredible short amount of time to investigate a Murder Inquiry.... (imo)!!!
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Post by: [...] on July 18, 2018, 09:59:14 AM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9786.msg473905#msg473905

When i posted that post... A man called Frazer Wood happened to be the first tweeter on the subject of Joanna Yeates being Missing... I couldn't understand why a random man who appeared to have no connection to Joanna Yeates that I am aware of.... would be one of the first people to post about her being Missing!

But then I found out that Frazer wood was connected to Loccit.... All too coincidental...(imo)


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This is Loccit's first beta release. Here comes the Ram ...

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PLEASE RT Jo Yeates went missing on Fri Bristol. Completely out of character - we're scared. Police report : http://ova.to/b5a #helpfindjo

11:35 AM - 23 Dec 2010

The link to ova, it's a parking domain... not completely sure what that is, maybe someone else does ..

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JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 Any news visit -
http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/NewsDetails.aspx?nsid=22345&t=1&lid=1

1:24 PM - 22 Dec 2010



I had posted about Frazer Wood being one of the first people to tweet about Joanna Yeates being Missing....  Is it me or is it coincidence that he too appears to be part of Loccit...





https://twitter.com/fraserjwood/status/17571207670931456
https://twitter.com/fraserjwood/status/26639773027
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Post by: [...] on August 07, 2018, 08:49:33 AM
From The Missing 17/12/2010  facebook group for Joanna Yeates

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The hacker knew every move the unsuspecting victim made. He controlled her computer…


she replies to herself..

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Kath Rowsell
not the right time to post this, but chris is a good friend of mine, and after recent events you all need to read this and think about you your family safety

Why on earth did this poster post this??  Odd.... she has a link to the site and of course it doesn't exist anymore, but what possessed her to post about grooming children on facebook when the topic was about Joanna Yeates being Missing... This was the day after she had been found... She even says its not the right time to post this....

Was she pre-empting something??  Strange how Dr Vincent Tabak then ends up with charges of child abuse.... when that subject should not have entered anyones heads when Joanna Yeates was "Missing"/Dead"

chris-uk.org leads us here:
http://ww38.chris-uk.org/internet-safety-for-kids/a-chilling-case-of-sex-tortion-a-web-of-victims

Another parked website...  Whatever was on this website obviously isn't there.... so I went looking for evidence of this site...

On November 16th 2010 a poster on a forum wrote this..
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CHRIS WITTWERS site naming and shaming thousands of convicted paedophiles, in an attempt to make people aware, will be up and running very soon.


Ths site is at chris-uk.org , and Chris says it will be ready when the Americans have it fixed, which could be anytime soon,hopefully within the next couple of days.Typically, the negative response from our police, from the "This is Exeter" site =

"Concern over role of paedophile site
POLICE have warned a new website set up by an Exeter man to name and shame paedophiles could make their job more difficult.
Exeter campaigner Chris Wittwer has launched a website called CHRIS (Children Have Rights in Society), with names and phot...ographs of more than 9,000 people he claims are paedophiles. It goes live today.

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He said the site was the culmination of three years research. "It is not just about naming and shaming but also to provide support for all survivors of abuse," he said.
"It has taken three years of research and another six months to get the site set up but it will go live on Thursday."

The ex-Army chef and father of two had a previous site listing paedophiles closed down by police when he first started the venture – but he was able to start again after showing he was not breaking any laws by presenting information already in the public domain.

The only direct reference i can find is from an FBI document...

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ARTICLE ONE

 

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Anonymous. (2010). Web of Victims: A Chilling Case of ‘Sextortion’. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Retrieved from http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/november/web-of-victims/


Web of Victims
A Chilling Case of ‘Sextortion’
November 2, 2010
 
The hacker knew every move the unsuspecting victim made. He controlled her computer webcam and microphone. He could see her in her bedroom, hear her conversations, knew every keystroke she made online. And he threatened to expose her secrets unless she bowed to his demands.

It may sound like the plot for a scary teen movie, but it actually happened, and there wasn’t just one victim—there were more than 200, and dozens of them were adolescent girls.

So CHRIS spent 3 years making and gathering his information for his site, and within days of making his site says word for word what the FBI document and post says...

Is Chris's site real? Why did someone post this on the "Missing" group on facebook for Joanna Yeates... ??

To introduce child porn or stalking we have it already mentioned on social media....

BySunday People
00:00, 2 JAN 2011UPDATED06:22, 11 FEB 2013
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Joanna Yeates murder cops probe theory she was stalked from pub
MURDERED ­architect Joanna Yeates may have been followed by her killer from the pub, police now suspect.

Every idea... every scenario has already been posted about (imo) and that is why we see it in the media...  The above quote supports what i am saying...(imo)

I believe that somewhere within the social media comments and searches on social media, we could find everything that was used in trial...

Kath Roswell says: Not the right time to post this.... So when would the right time be Kath?? As no-one had established whether or not the person who killed Joanna Yeates was into child abuse!

But it begs the question why would she post it at all.... what suggested that Joanna Yeates computer may have been hacked? or the perpetrator had fetishes? Nothing by the 28th December 2010 had happened to indicate that Joanna Yeates was stalked or that the person who killed her was into child abuse...

But was someone readying us for this information? We have 2 days later CJ arrested for the murder of Joanna Yeates and the media go to town... we have a connection made to CJ in terms of a former flat owner, whom had been connected to child abuse... CJ having purchased said Flat from this former owner.... But it's there.... It''s already in everyones mind that a peado lived at Canygne Road years before... They connect the dots, whether or not there's a bloody great line in between them....

I do believe if CJ hadn't had the lawyers he had, he would have found himself in the same position as Dr Vincent Tabak... With the circumstantial evidence and connections they could make, it would have been a sensational story... They at the time were even suggesting he was connected to Glenis Caruthers murder... Making a serial killer out of him...

We know that these days all you need to do is accuse someone and then the mud sticks.. whether or not you have been proven NOT guilty and that the lies were fabricated....

So if CJ and his lawyers hadn't gone to the lengths they had... would the mud have stuck with CJ?? Would he forever be connected to Dr Vincent Tabak and what they say are his crimes??

The coincidences of what was said at trial and after trial and what has been mentioned on social media is a coincidence too far...(imo)...

It's even possible to locate some porn on twitter, if someone was searching for the app that I have spoken about..

Of course now I go to look for it on twitter the images i wanted to sort of share, have gone.... But I'll explain.... When I wrote the posts about ml4d, the app testing that friends of Joanna yeates were using, I put #ml4d into twitter search, and there were images which could only be described as porn associated with this search... Now when i look on twitter those images are not there.... And ML4D is about mobile learning..


But the point I am making what searches did anyone make at the time that could be quite innocent that would have lead them to porn?? What was on the site that CHRIS set up??? Who's names were on the site that CHRIS set up??

The suggestion that Dr Vincent Tabak was a person who had images of children, only bolsters the idea that he was a vile man.... And supports the idea that a monster killed Joanna yeates... No protection orders were ever made for the children involved in the supposed images Dr Vincent Tabak was purported to have on his laptop...  It took nearly 4 more years for them to take him to court for this offence, in March 2015..

Which considering it took them a few weeks to arrest him for the murder of Joanna yeates when they had no evidence, begs the question why did they wait that many years before charging him with the child abuse offences??

They apparently had the evidence in front of them for that charge!

Was Joanna yeates computer/laptop hacked? Was Dr Vincent tabak's computer hacked?? Why does Kath on the Missing forum bring a topic of paedo's to the table when it really is an inappropriate topic for that discussion group..

And the only reason that I believe is because everything in this trial and after, came from social media in the first place....(imo)


http://cybersafewomen.org/fbi_articles

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/foyer/109300-chris-wittwers-paedophile-naming-site-chris-uk-org-now-live.html

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