Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?

[Mr Gray]

Dave, can I ask why you think all references to Amaral and Leonor Cipriano are now missing from the Amnesty International Report on torture and other ill-treatment for 2013?

Has there been an oversight?

thers nothing missing will reply later after UC

[C.Edwards]

you have supported serendipities version of events in countless posts as everyone has seen. im not going to trawl through all your posts to prove it. how  wise I was to check you out before starting the debate..I will wait and discuss with serendipity..off to watch university challenge now

"countless"?  "check me out"?  "not going to trawl through"? "debate"?

You said, "The amnesty thread, if you understood it showed that the conclusions of both ce and serendipity were we wrong" and I asked you to explain how I was wrong.  You then asked me what my conclusions were.  Can you not see that this is just disruptive and futile?  You're just goading people all the time and then you claim that you're in the right all the time! 

Well you can do one.  I simply cannot be bothered with you any more. You're just arguing for the sake of it and it's dragging this board down now.

[John]

thers nothing missing will reply later after UC

Well it isn't there so I fail to see your logic?  8-)(--)

Clearly, Amnesty International are guided by the Courts consequently Leonor's perjury conviction has undermined what little credibility she ever had.  If Amaral hadn't put his name to that dodgy PJ Report he too would have been exonerated.

[Redblossom]

Dave, can I ask why you think all references to Amaral and Leonor Cipriano are now missing from the Amnesty International Report on torture and other ill-treatment for 2013?

Has there been an oversight?

IIRC Davel posted somethng like, that seeing as the case was concluded with the conviction of x y z people there was no need for Amnesty to feature the case anymore.....so they stopped.....only we know it didnt  stop there, she was convicted to a further x months on prison for lying .....this happened AFTER those convictions...either Amnesty stopped following the case or chose not to print that...I suppose its not their job? Or did they have a responsibility to....?

ETA yes, read post 60........

ETA 2 changed Johns quote as I replied to the wrong one

[Benita]

pick on davel night again I see ..

[John]

Amnesty International couldn't possibly showcase an alleged case of torture if the person to whom it is supposed to relate has not only been convicted of murder but also of having quite blatantly committed perjury on several occasions at her trial even when cautioned by the judge not to do so. She changed her story so many times it still amazes me how anyone could believe a word she uttered.  The woman is a pathological liar.

[Mr Gray]

Dave, can I ask why you think all references to Amaral and Leonor Cipriano are now missing from the Amnesty International Report on torture and other ill-treatment for 2013?

Has there been an oversight?

There's no oversight...The torture case was concluded in 2012 when torture was proved and the guilty punished. from them on it was no concern to amnesty and therefore not reported on in 2013

[Mr Gray]

Dave, can I ask why you think all references to Amaral and Leonor Cipriano are now missing from the Amnesty International Report on torture and other ill-treatment for 2013?

Has there been an oversight?

just to add all the references are there for previous years are still there, nothing has been removed

[Redblossom]

There's no oversight...The torture case was concluded in 2012 when torture was proved and the guilty punished. from them on it was no concern to amnesty and therefore not reported on in 2013

Which people guilty of torture were punished, I thought no PJ was found gulty of torture?......or have ai remembered it wrong

[Mr Gray]

Well it isn't there so I fail to see your logic?  8-)(--)

Clearly, Amnesty International are guided by the Courts consequently Leonor's perjury conviction has undermined what little credibility she ever had.  If Amaral hadn't put his name to that dodgy PJ Report he too would have been exonerated.

the Portuguese court still accepts that torture happened...no one has been cleared

[Mr Gray]

pick on davel night again I see ..

don't worry Benita, doesn't bother me in the slightest

[Redblossom]

the Portuguese court still accepts that torture happened...no one has been cleared

No ones been been convicted....therefore the accused were cleared by the court, no? And the guilty still to be found....?

[John]

The three PJ officers were exonerated.

Three officers were cleared of torture but Mr Amaral was found guilty of falsifying documents and given an 18-month suspended sentence.

http://news.sky.com/story/694940/madeleine-cop-gets-suspended-sentence

[Mr Gray]

No ones been been convicted....therefore the accused were cleared by the court, no?

Amaral was convicted and if you look on the Amnesty site for 2012 it will tell you the names of the others..no one has been cleared

[Mr Gray]

The three PJ officers were exonerated.

Three officers were cleared of torture but Mr Amaral was found guilty of falsifying documents and given an 18-month suspended sentence.

http://news.sky.com/story/694940/madeleine-cop-gets-suspended-sentence

Where have you read that