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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #390 on: July 20, 2017, 09:02:26 AM »
Now after my excitement... I have thought of the other possible reason Dr White performs an AUTOPSY...

Is Dr White The Coronor ??? The Inquest that started but didn't finish ????

Or the inquest that could be closed by the 22nd January 2011 once someone had been charged ..???

So is Dr white A defences expert or is Dr white The Coronor ??

Still meaning that the said Dr White should have attended court at the trial ....(IMO)

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« Reply #391 on: July 20, 2017, 09:21:53 AM »
Again..... 3 days before they arrest Dr Vincent Tabak if Dr White is the Coronor... why has he started this Private Inquest so soon after she is Autopsied by Dr Delaney... None of the details are there for the Coronor ...

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The coroner will open the inquest in order to issue a burial order or cremation certificate (if not already issued immediately after the post-mortem examination)  as well as hearing evidence confirming the identity of the deceased. The inquest will then be adjourned to be resumed at a later date. When the coroner's investigations are complete, a date for the inquest is set and the people who need to know will be told. Inquests are open to the public and journalists are usually present.
  It's not until apparently the Chaplain hears the imaginary confession of Dr Vincent Tabak, does Joanna yeates body get released for burial...

Which brings more questions ....

Well... When was the burial order issued ??

What evidence did Dr White hear ?? (if Dr White is indeed the Coronor )

What later date was set ???

So Dr White are you the Coronor ???

https://bereavementadvice.org/topics/death-certificate-and-coroners-inquest/coroners-inquests

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #392 on: July 20, 2017, 09:28:52 AM »
Dr White Is this you ??????

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3.4 A meeting was called for 3
rd
January at Flax Bourton to discuss the mortuary plans with the
architect and the build co-ordinator. Before the meeting started the architect and build co-ordinator
stated that they had not been aware that any hospital cases were to be performed at the mortuary. A
Forensic Pathologist (Dr Hugh White) who has been heavily involved with the project also stated
that he thought Bath cases were excluded “as it would be a logistical nightmare.’ He was told that
the decision had already been taken.

If this is you... I know it says "Forensic Pathologist"... but are you The Coronor ???

https://democracy.bathnes.gov.uk/Data/Health%20and%20Social%20Services%20Overview%20&%20Scrutiny%20Panel/20070202/Agenda/07zAppendix1.pdf

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« Reply #393 on: July 20, 2017, 09:32:45 AM »
Now if I'm correct in assuming that you are "Thee" Dr White ... I think I can prove that you are indeed a Coroner...

But.... I have this also...
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Pathologist Dr Hugh White said the toxic level of drugs combined with the large amount of alcohol had lead to Ms Cronin's death.

So if we are on the correct Dr White..... Why didn't he do the toxicology report for Joanna Yeates ... instead of it being sent all the way to Scotland ??????

He obviously does both.... Now interesting that bit of information... Why wouldn't he do the Toxicology ???

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Name   :   Dr Hugh White
Address   :   Southmead Hospital
Southmead Road
    Gloucestershire
Post Code   :   BS10 5NB
Country   :   England
Telephone   :   0117 959 5623
Expertise   :   Accidental / unnatural death (Pathology)
Pathology / Coroners
Pathology Of Trauma / Death
Cases   :   Louis Corbett (2011-06-07)
Liam Cunliffe (2011-06-07)
 

So Joanna Yeates is NOT listed as one of his cases.... So was he the Coronor for The Joanna Yeates Case... or Was he supposed to be a defendants witness ????

This Dr White is a Home Office Forensic pathologist...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/6588959.stm

http://www.thelawpages.com/legal-directory/Dr-Hugh-White-6549-5.law

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #394 on: July 20, 2017, 09:57:20 AM »
Congratulations on tracking down Dr. Hugh White! We know the names of the Coroner and the acting Coroner and the Deputy Assistant Coroner. These are all lawyers. Dr. White is a hands-on medical doctor.

I don't believe Dr White was working "for" the defence at all - quite the contrary. The timing of his "examination", two days before it was announced publicly that Joanna had not eaten the pizza, suggests that his task was to remove the contents of her digestive system and send these to Glasgow for analysis by Dr Jennifer Miller. Why was the latter so circumspect in court about her own role? - Presumably because the object of this grisly circus was to prevent the defence's hands-on pathologist, when he was appointed, from gaining legal access to evidence that Joanna had eaten the pizza, or whatever else she had eaten that would show she was still alive at the weekend.

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« Reply #395 on: July 20, 2017, 10:01:40 AM »
Congratulations on tracking down Dr. Hugh White! We know the names of the Coroner and the acting Coroner and the Deputy Assistant Coroner. These are all lawyers. Dr. White is a hands-on medical doctor.

I don't believe Dr White was working "for" the defence at all - quite the contrary. The timing of his "examination", two days before it was announced publicly that Joanna had not eaten the pizza, suggests that his task was to remove the contents of her digestive system and send these to Glasgow for analysis by Dr Jennifer Miller. Why was the latter so circumspect in court about her own role? - Presumably because the object of this grisly circus was to prevent the defence's hands-on pathologist, when he was appointed, from gaining legal access to evidence that Joanna had eaten the pizza, or whatever else she had eaten that would show she was still alive at the weekend.


Dr White Should still have been in court to testify to what he did.....(IMO)...!!!  I don't believe that leonora... the stomach content would have been removed by Dr Delaney... (IMO)... I don't believe that Dr White Performed this task... Why would you leave someones stomach contents in them for 23 days ??


Dr Delaney would have emptied the stomach contents as late as Boxing Day... otherwise he would have not been able to perform The Autopsy... He needs to examine her stomach also.... As with the rest of her body....


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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #396 on: July 20, 2017, 10:30:24 AM »
But then I found this .....

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Few people know about or understand the reasons behind the sacking, in February 2011, of Avon Coroner Paul Forrest

He was sacked but re-instated..... Then obviously sacked again.....

28th Sepetember 2010:
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A coroner who was sacked after a dispute with Bristol City Council has been reinstated.

So who was the Coronor for Joanna Yeates ???? Was it  Dr White or was it Dr Forrest who was still working at Flax Bourton in January 2011.... Then sacked again in February 2011 ?? (or where ever this Inquest was opened ??)
 
If it was Dr Forrest who started Joanna Yeates Inquest... Is this the reason that the Inquest was never completed.... because they sacked him??

Either way Dr white has some explaining to do.... (IMO)

https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/04/494517.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-11427227

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« Reply #397 on: July 20, 2017, 10:43:46 AM »
Really thinking about this Dr White... He can't have been the Coronor if Dr Forrest was still working...

So why is Dr White mentioned at The trial of Joanna Yeates ... ????? was he like I first thought??

He was going to be the Defences medical expert ?????

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« Reply #398 on: July 20, 2017, 10:49:23 AM »
If he is the defences medical expert.... Then how was that possible before Dr Vincent Tabak was arrested ???

This autopsy was carried out .. 2 days before The Sobbing Girl calls ...3 days before Dr Vincent tabak's arrest ....  And this autopsy is carried out the day before The Yeates family appeal for information.... Which prompts the Sobbing Girl to Call Police about Dr Vincent Tabak..

How would they know that they need a Medical expert for the Defence before someone is charged??? If Dr Forrest was the Official Coronor at that time ???

Edit:.... If Dr white is The defences medical expert,, because Dr Forrest is still working as Coronor in January 2011..

What evidence did they have against Dr Vincent Tabak to arrest him... ??? If 3 days before his arrest they are performing autopsies ??

 Repeating myself... which is One day before The Yeates Emotional appeal... prompting the sobbing Girl to call ... which leads to Dr Vincent Tabaks arrest !!

So what was Dr White ?????

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #399 on: July 20, 2017, 10:57:33 AM »
This gets weirder .....

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gagging clauses were included in the severence agreement with Forrest and other staff sacked from their jobs in the Avon Coroners' Office in Flax Bourton.

So there was a gagging order in place when they sacked Dr Forrest... Why would that be ??? I wonder ???


Edit.... Just another thought... If Dr Forrest was under a gagging order... did Dr White actually attend the "Autopsy" on the 17th January 2011??

Or did they substitute in court ... Dr White for Dr Forrest because he had a gagging order in place ????

What did "Dr White" actually do???


https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/04/494517.html

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #400 on: July 20, 2017, 11:27:47 AM »
You are very stubborn, nor do you pay attention, Nine. You are right, however, about Coroner Paul Forrest, who lost his case in the High Court against Bristol. There is a can of worms there, in full public view. During his suspension, Maria E. Voisin was acting as the Coroner for Avon & Somerset. Hers is the name on Joanna's death certificate. Her deputy assistant coroner was Terry Moore, who also rated a mention in connection with the release of the body.

Dr. Hugh White's CV,which you yourself found, describes him as a forensic pathologist. He gave evidence in several other grisly cases that were quoted in the news media and can be found online. He is not on the Home Office's register of pathologists, and therefore has to include on his CV that he does work for coroners.

Why leave the contents of the stomach in situ for 23 days? Presumably while Anne Reddrop negotiated with Dr White, Jennifer Miller and other hands-on professionals about keeping them out of the hands of the defence pathologist. It was important to make public that Joanna had not eaten the pizza just before Vincent Tabak was arrested. The crying girl had nothing to do with this.

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« Reply #401 on: July 20, 2017, 11:44:45 AM »
You are very stubborn, nor do you pay attention, Nine. You are right, however, about Coroner Paul Forrest, who lost his case in the High Court against Bristol. There is a can of worms there, in full public view. During his suspension, Maria E. Voisin was acting as the Coroner for Avon & Somerset. Hers is the name on Joanna's death certificate. Her deputy assistant coroner was Terry Moore, who also rated a mention in connection with the release of the body.

Dr. Hugh White's CV,which you yourself found, describes him as a forensic pathologist. He gave evidence in several other grisly cases that were quoted in the news media and can be found online. He is not on the Home Office's register of pathologists, and therefore has to include on his CV that he does work for coroners.

Why leave the contents of the stomach in situ for 23 days? Presumably while Anne Reddrop negotiated with Dr White, Jennifer Miller and other hands-on professionals about keeping them out of the hands of the defence pathologist. It was important to make public that Joanna had not eaten the pizza just before Vincent Tabak was arrested. The crying girl had nothing to do with this.


That brings us back to Dr White.... What autopsy was Dr White carrying out on the 17th January 2011 with Dr Delaney in attendance ????


The crying girl does... If they are doing an Autopsy for a defendant who hasn't yet been arrested... or even had a Sobbing Girl call before said defendants autopsy is needed for evidence in court ....(IMO)...

Maria E. Voisin name may have been on the Coronors report... But did she perform the Coronors Autopsy... ??? Dr Forrest still could have done the Autopsy before he was sacked... leaving Maria E. Voisin who was acting Coroner to sign Joanna Yeates certificate .....

Ah... So February 11th  2011 Dr Forrest is sacked.... Maria E.Voisin then signs the death certificate... allowing for the burial of Joanna Yeates on the 14th February 2011 I believe...

So Dr Forrest could still have started The Inquest.... (IMO)... still leaving the unanswered question of what role did Dr White play in this trial???

If he isn't mentioned in court because he was 'A Coronor"... as you have pointed out Maria E. Voisin signed off on that.... Why was Dr White performing another Autopsy on Joanna Yeates on the 17th January 2011 ????


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« Reply #402 on: July 20, 2017, 11:58:27 AM »
So why wasn't the Coronor the first to see Joanna Yeates ????

leonora... If you believe it was Maria E.Voisin  who was the Coronor and not Dr Forrest Then is it possible that the lady in the purple coat,who is there, when they find Joanna Yeates on Longwood Lane is Maria E.Voisin and the guy with her in the red coat could be Terry Moore,..
I was always under the presumption that the Coronor attended the Scene of Crime


Edit... But it couldn't be that if they didn't know on the 25th December 2010 how Joanna Yeates had died ...

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« Reply #403 on: July 20, 2017, 12:14:09 PM »
OMG.... Talking about Marie E.Voisin possibly being the lady in the purple coat.... Then it dawned on me ....

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   25 DEC 2010     UK
Police searching for missing architect find female body
Image attached ....

Why are the Police as early as 25th December 2010.... carrying out a finger tip search if at this point if they did not know that Joanna Yeates was Murdered ????

No Autopsy...has been performed she is supposed to be frozen...  How do they know at this point she died of strangulation and not Hypothermia ??????


Notice the "Forensic Tent" that is erected.... !!!!!


https://www.channel4.com/news/police-searching-for-missing-architect-find-female-body

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #404 on: July 20, 2017, 12:40:01 PM »
Hang on a minute......

Again why the full on Police Force... Forensics etc... When they find Joanna Yeates if all she was .... was "A Missing Person:???

We have No photgraphs inside the flat that show a struggle....(The flat is pristeen ).... So how did they decide that 'Longwood lane " was the second Scene of Crime???? Or did they believe that it was "The First Scene of Crime ??? meaning they knew more about her death than they are telling us .... So did they know she was dead before they found her at Longwood Lane ????

Still making me question how they knew to bring out the Cavalary... for a "Missing Person"... who is found dead in The Foetal Position... Frozen apparently in this position... Who was there for 8 days apparently...

How could they immediately treat this as a "Murder " Investigation... If Dr Delaney hadn't completed his Autopsy???

Until the next day... to tell the world that Joanna Yeates had been strangled ?????

Edit..... This was always a "Murder Inquiry"... (IMO)...they treated it as such from The day DS Mark Saunders makes his appeal... So did they already have Joanna Yeates body ???? Or was someone sending them information on where to find her ????

Is that what they meant when they said: "We have a sample of you handwriting".... ?? When refering to The "Pizza and the Note that was sent to the pub"??

Something is very strange here .....