His little body is being left in situ overnight and forensics will begin their investigations in the morning..how sad they have to leave him there that long..heartbreaking 8(8-))
Its a body, its a murder investigation, its medical examiners and autopsers and the like, multiple investigations, its not a person anymore, HE is gone, his remains remain and thats all,harsh but true, they have to find out what happened now
Its a body, its a murder investigation, its medical examiners and autopsers and the like, multiple investigations, its not a person anymore, HE is gone, his remains remain and thats all,leaving hm there for a shorter period will change nothng,harsh but true, they have to find out what happened now
You're right, Red. The police have to be practical and professional now, and ensure the taking of this little boy's life is paid for by those responsible ... it's just the thought of a tiny body left laying somewhere like that, overnight
it's so awfully sad 8(8-))
You're right, Red. The police have to be practical and professional now, and ensure the taking of this little boy's life is paid for by those responsible ... it's just the thought of a tiny body left laying somewhere like that, overnight
it's so awfully sad 8(8-))
We don't know how long he has been missing yet.
We don't know how long he has been missing yet. I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this but the mother has been known to go out and leave the children on their own. Only speculating here but could it have been an accident in her absence?
It is heartbreaking and mind boggling that anyone would harm an innocent little child....But they have to focus on the s..mbags now....I feel for police and other related professionals as much as family, they have to deal with this evil all the time
Eta sorry I just realised you meant his body being left before examination rather than his body being left by whoever killed him....I know who is the worse...the officials wil do what they have to do at the optimum time, its sad but its how it is
Yes, there is that at least
Wherever this pitiful little boy's body lays tonight, the police will be protecting it as surely, and devotedly, as a Pretorian guard
Murder and the mother arrested another bitch bites the dust
Yes it was all over facebook...she left her kids alone at night continually apparently and they got taken away and put into foster care before being returned last september
So yes, possible something happened in her absence
Sky news reporting that the little boys body was found at the home of mother's sister.
http://news.sky.com/story/1197026/mikaeels-mum-detained-as-body-discovered
And there was me wondering when The Mccanns were going to get the blame.
Don't ya just lurve the irony and the hypocrisy.
My thoughts are with Mikaeel's little twin sister and the other siblings.. so sad to think how their life is looking now 8)><(
There was a case once, many years ago now, of a little girl going missing who was later found alive in a flat. I don't think the girls name was ever released. Some "weirdo" had snatched her, but she was found alive.
I was so hoping that this would be one of those extremely rare miracles.
I went to bed late, slept in. I turned my laptop on and on the home screen bing news told me a body had been found.
I hope it was quick and clean. I hope that his siblings aren't all separated. I hope they get the support they need to be able to cope with this.
I don't know if there can ever be justice in a case like this. I don't know what justice even means when the life of a child is in the other side of the scales.
I don't believe in a God or a heaven so I can't offer prayers. In there stead, I'll make a donation to the Nspcc. It seems only slightly less futile than praying, even to an atheist, yet I have the overwhelming urge to do something.
Poor, poor child.
There was no way that child got out and went walkies. Edinburgh police wrong footed yet again. Lets hope they don't mess up the crime scene in Fife like they did in the Jodi Jones case.I find it unfair, John, they took a chance, I think they were marvellous.
Sorry Yes your right.This wee boy looked happy.
I'm annoyed & a bit upset by this whole story.
The woman appears to have been a shockingly sh8t mother.
Sorry Yes your right.
I'm annoyed & a bit upset by this whole story.
The woman appears to have been a shockingly sh8t mother.
I find it unfair, John, they took a chance, I think they were marvellous.
Sorry Yes your right.
I'm annoyed & a bit upset by this whole story.
The woman appears to have been a shockingly sh8t mother.
On the face of it, yes, but we shouldn't be too judgmental at this stage. Bringing up 5 children on your own can't have been easy and none of us know what actually happened in the run-up to this.
Did she find 4 easy but when she reached 5 it became too much.
They at least took a chance on the unlikely possibility that he woke up, got dresses & went for a walk,Can you imagine the criticism if they hadn't extensive searches ?
whilst simultaneously investigating the obvious reality that kids don't tend to do that.
They gave him that chance, what more could they do.
Me too. Despite the child's sad demise being the most likely outcome, I felt almost shocked when I read the news this morning.
I admit I had a bit of a cry too, which is most unlike me.
The world just seems like such a horrible place today.
he last two, Mikaeel and his sister, were twins; so it was 3 then plus 2, not 4 then plus 1
Look at all those people searching for the wee boy, no the world isn't an horrible place.
The world just seems like such a horrible place today.
Ok yep sorry, but wasn't 3 enough then?
The woman is only in her early thirties.
Look at all those people searching for the wee boy, no the world isn't an horrible place.
Of course you're right. It's hard to look past the hideous event that led to the searches to see the beauty of humanity working together to find a small child.
WS, it's not just a Mother who makes a baby. There were two absentee fathers as well. I don't know why they were n't around, nor do I know how the child died.
Blaming the Mother without acknowledging the role of the father is almost misogynistic.
You will probably have seen in the Press that her boyfriend was shot not so long ago, this probably had a bearing on her ability to cope.
Of course you're right. It's hard to look past the hideous event that led to the searches to see the beauty of humanity working together to find a small child.
WS, it's not just a Mother who makes a baby. There were two absentee fathers as well. I don't know why they were n't around, nor do I know how the child died.
Blaming the Mother without acknowledging the role of the father is almost misogynistic.
its a simple fact that there are those who feel they have the right to cast judgement on everyone else... I don't think they do...we don't yet know what happened...perhaps it would be better to find out the facts before referring to her a sh8t mother.
You will probably have seen in the Press that her boyfriend was shot not so long ago, this probably had a bearing on her ability to cope.
I was just about to say to CPN that it looks like neither father bothered to stick around either.
And yes I am sexist, sorry ladies.
How else should I describe a woman who had 5 kids & went out leaving them alone in doors at night?
And the simple fact is I have a right to an opinion, no matter how much anyone disagrees with it.
In my opinion this woman was a sh8t parent.
Were her kids put into foster care because of her exceptional parenting skills?
Yes, there is that at leastThat guard around the (seemingly) compost container where they found the body makes all the difference.
Wherever this pitiful little boy's body lays tonight, the police will be protecting it as surely, and devotedly, as a Pretorian guard
Well from what you have written the whole human race is sh8t
I sometimes think that way yes & it's horrible things like people that tend to make me think that way.
How can there be a God when so much bad sh8t happens like neglect & deaths of little children.
If God made everything then he made cancer, what sort of evil bast8rd does that?
Who believes in God
I did wonder if this might have been a factor.
That guard around the (seemingly) compost container where they found the body makes all the difference.
Have just blown the image up and to be honest that looks more like a trampoline with high netting Anne. Hoping here that he was found inside and not outside :(Like David Hemmings..
Me too.. maybe her logical reasoning was affected by this event..
Also the court case re this is due quite soon.. the bbc article reporting it dates 9th January
I think the breakthrough again could have come through the mobile pings of mother's phone!
To get to Fife the mobile phone would change masts...
As her mother and sister both live there is would be more of a surprise if her mobile phone didn't show she had been to Fife.
But if she was pinged as being there on say Wednesday afternoon, while her kids were in school, and then on Thursday morning reported the boy missing then it would be all obvious..
But if she was pinged as being there on say Wednesday afternoon, while her kids were in school, and then on Thursday morning reported the boy missing then it would be all obvious..
I feel that his absence from nursery for the last fortnight might be significant. I have a horrid feeling that he may have been dead long before Wednesday.They say "in the garden". Perhaps buried.
As others have said, this is all speculation. We just don't know.
They say "in the garden". Perhaps buried.
As I heard it, the body was found in the woodlands behind the garden. And the body has been transferred to hospital in Edinburgh
Just heard the same :( News also just said that under Scottish Law, police have 24 hours to charge or release his mum.
Just heard the same :( News also just said that under Scottish Law, police have 24 hours to charge or release his mum.
Have just blown the image up and to be honest that looks more like a trampoline with high netting Anne. Hoping here that he was found inside and not outside :(
Also said they actually have only 12 hours.. 12 hours extra are not always granted..SKY saying this case might be more complicated than it looks due to the police seeking extension.
And the post mortem which is taking place now will bring more clues..
News update not expected until late tonight
"police have 24 hours to charge or release his mum" from when she was detained, the BBC just said - and added that the police hope to give an update within that time
Why bother concealing that ?
Accidents happen all the time and some result in death. Feel the circumstances need to be a bit more suspicious than that.
Yes, sorry, you're right, it is from when she was detained.
I just cant see a parent deliberately killing their own child
Why bother concealing that ?He was sick, perhaps a serious pulmonary infection, his Mum found him dead in the morning, she might have been scared to lose her kids again and for a longer time to foster parents. Every hour without alerting was bringing her closer to the no-return point.
Accidents happen all the time and some result in death. Feel the circumstances need to be a bit more suspicious than that.
Tramploine..accident
But for whatever reason, parents do, and more frequently than thought - most recently http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537211/BREAKING-NEWS-Woman-dead-two-children-suspected-murder-suicide.html
But so far, in this particular case, we know very little so cannot judge
'A father arrived home to find his wife had killed their two young sons before apparently killing herself, police revealed yesterday.
Accountant Sakthivel Vageswaran, 36, found the bodies of five-year-old Anopan and eight-month-old Nathiban in black bin bags when he returned from work. Wife Jeyavani was also dead.
Mr Sakthivel is said to be still ‘screaming for his babies’ and will not return to the family home in Harrow, North London.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537211/BREAKING-NEWS-Woman-dead-two-children-suspected-murder-suicide.html#ixzz2qm2ib7Qm
That is awful.
Channel 4 news have just said that the mother must be charged with whatever charge it is or released by midnight tonight
This reminds me of Chris Jeffreys, the landlord in Joanna Yeates case.. he was also questioned for 24 hours.. but he was later released..
In this case I personally feel the mother might be charged..
He was sick, perhaps a serious pulmonary infection, his Mum found him dead in the morning, she might have been scared to lose her kids again and for a longer time to foster parents. Every hour without alerting was bringing her closer to the no-return point.ive already suggested this...natural causes with neglect
But for whatever reason, parents do, and more frequently than thought - most recently http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537211/BREAKING-NEWS-Woman-dead-two-children-suspected-murder-suicide.html
But so far, in this particular case, we know very little so cannot judge
In these cases the parents usually kill all the children...not just one...and invariably kill or try to kill themselves
She obviously lied about Mikaeel's whereabouts, the not sleeping with the twin sister was a strong clue. The autopsy will reveal the day he died which will determine the outcome of any charges against her or others. The cost of the police exercise alone will undoubtedly be taken into account if conspiring to pervert the course of justice charges are eventually preferred.After 3 days the determination of the time of death is difficult. The people who disposed of their beloved one's body don't realise that the police costs are enormous.
It is thanks to the formerly named Fife Constabulary that this case hasn't ended up another McCann mystery. Just imagine if the body had not been discovered.
It will be interesting to know how Mikaeel was found. Was it sheer luck, a find by a sniffer dog, someone informed or a family member or one of the other children spoke up? Something sent Fife police to that wooded area, the question is what?
It is thanks to the formerly named Fife Constabulary that this case hasn't ended up another McCann mystery. Just imagine if the body had not been discovered.In this case the body had to be recovered for the simple reason that it was recoverable.
It will be interesting to know how Mikaeel was found. Was it sheer luck, a find by a sniffer dog, someone informed or a family member or one of the other children spoke up? Something sent Fife police to that wooded area, the question is what?
After 3 days the determination of the time of death is difficult. The people who disposed of their beloved one's body don't realise that the police costs are enormous.
I think she confessed and told them what she did with the body. And now they are deciding whether to charge her with murder or manslaughter.
Just speculating.
In this case the body had to be recovered for the simple reason that it was recoverable.
The trouble is when the body isn't recoverable, like after a cremation.
I wondered also what made them search in that woodland after it was dark.
That looks a very dingy place with a low ceiling. I wonder where they were?
Absolutely Anne, it was just before midnight when he was discovered.
They knew where to look after dark because she told them.
How do you know she told them ? I am sure if she had they would of charged her by now >@@(*&)
When you charge someone, you have to stop questioning them, so maybe the police want to extend the interview as long as possible.
How do you know she told them ? I am sure if she had they would of charged her by now >@@(*&)
They will have the autopsy results about now which will show cause of death. Charges will undoubtedly follow.If he died of pneumonia, will they charge her with disposal and obstruction and let her free ?
If he died of pneumonia, will they charge her with disposal and obstruction and let her free ?
The four remaining children of this lady are the important thing.
Justice for little Mikaeel is the important thing!
The four remaining children of this lady are the important thing.
I mean they need their mum and as far as we know she didn't kill Mikaeel.
It doesn't look good for her. She tried to cover it up so that means something bad happened to Mikaeel.She loves her kids, there's no doubt about that and Mikaeel was a happy wee kid. What if she entered in panic that the social services would take the others from her ?
There is not too long to wait for a bit more information. Should we not wait and stop surmising about things we do not know? As someone else said, Christopher Jeffries (in the Joanna Yeates case) is the classic example of presumptions being made that were wrong
The mum has been charged in connection to Mikaeel's death
charged with what
And surely that will partly depend on the outcome of the autopsy and the cause of death
I don't know Scottish law but surely she must have been charged with something
I don't know Scottish law but surely she must have been charged with something
My understanding is no, the charge has not been detailed. And as I said, the autopsy results are not through so they do not yet know the cause of death. Which surely will make a difference? If the death was by natural causes, the charge will presumably be concealing the death etc. if the death is not by natural caused, the charges may involve actually causing the death. But until they get the result of the autopsy they cannot know further
It will make a huge difference, CPN. There's a third possibility - they cannot establish the cause of death. Big problems ahead for the prosecutors if they can't.
Something else which has not been considered is that it is likely that some of the other four children in the apartment might have witnessed events in which case they will be interviewed by specialists. Maybe CPN can explain the procedure?
The children are being looked after by their aunt Pandeep.
Something else which has not been considered is that it is likely that some of the other four children in the apartment might have witnessed events in which case they will be interviewed by specialists. Maybe CPN can explain the procedure?
Or caused? And she was acting to protect her other child?
According to his mother, Mikaeel, who attended a nearby nursery, was sleeping alone on Wednesday evening because he was feeling unwell. His four siblings were also in the flat.
On Friday afternoon however, Ms Kular’s estranged husband Omotoso Adekoa, whom she married in 2004 but separated from five years later, told of his shock.
The 35-year-old taxi driver said: “I just heard about Mikaeel. I’ve been trying to call Rosdeep on the phone but she’s not answered.
He added, “I saw my kids at the weekend, but I didn’t see Mikaeel. He’s a lovely boy. He’s very shy. Of course I’m worried about him.”
he was ill...perhaps he died from natural causes compounded by neglect and that why his mother staged the abduction..we will see
What is the source for the suggestion that he had been ill? Was this something the mother told police?
The reality was that Mikaeel had not been seen by neighbours since Christmas. That's a huge window of time.
At the moment it looks like the mother told the nursery he was ill in order to explain his absence.
Just wondering why in some cases does a concealor choose a location which is geographically linkable to them?
It's an interesting question, isn't it.
It frequently occurs that someone who has killed disposes the body in order that it is easily findable. Much is written on this.
I did once read that often a person who has killed a relative or someone to whom they were close, buries or hides them in a place significant in their relationship, as an expression of the bond they share. The expression of that bond, whether emotional or symbolic in a given case, is understood to be so important that it supersedes concerns of discovery.
Of course we don't yet know exactly what has happened here, but it is certainly no surprise that he was found where he was. My feeling so far is that police found him according to their own searches and not any hints. The property after all was a place where the family used to live, so it would have to have been searched.
But they didnt find him within the property boundary but in a wooded area nearby. I dont believe the police would have searched that particular area and especially at midnight unless they got a tip-off of some sort.
I sometimes think that way yes & it's horrible things like people that tend to make me think that way.
How can there be a God when so much bad sh8t happens like neglect & deaths of little children.
If God made everything then he made cancer, what sort of evil bast8rd does that?
Pub/club/rave?
Someone hanging on to their youth and freedom when they can get it after five kids...
Wondering if drugs had anythng to do with this whole sad story
This man was charged with drug offences but he apparently said the drugs worth 300k found at one of his flats IIRC were planted by this Somali gang...the ones who killed him and the mother must have been fairly close with him if neighbours accounts are true he used to take her kids to school
Here, found it
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/men-responsible-murdering-mohammed-abdi-1920283
Just speculation.....
How many humans live on this planet? You need to put these figures into perspective.....although i know sometimes its hard.
I have to find something positive every day to make me WANT to get up and go through my day, and I always find something, even if its just seeing the birds outside eating out of bird containers, it reminds me of how wonderful nature is.....
Sadly there is always going to be horrible things to read about.
Thousands of jews gassed to death, whole tribes of people died because of genocide, its been going on since humans evolved sadly, people killing for revenge, greed, so on and so forth.
I am not going to say much about this death, as we dont know what happened. The women even with 5 children seems to have had a lot of support. Her mother is a GP and I believe works in the town where the child was found. The family do not look poor.
The father was not on the birth certificate he is from Pakistan.
What could have happened to cover up a death of a 3 year old?
An accident, why cover it up.
An unlawful killing for me is the only reason why she would do that. So what happened for her to do that.
There are tons of neglected children in this country. I used to work in the community and would find 2 year olds outside half clothed....in the winter.
The problem in this country is there are now TOO many people living in it, and not enough medical clinics, or social services to deal with all the stuff that is wrong.
All I know is, a young boy of 3 has now died, and his sibling who was close to him is going to be in a terrible state now.
IF the social service had taken the twins away last year, it does show a pattern of something going on.
Now we wait. There is nothing else much we can do.
RIP little Mikaeel Kular.xxx
I posted her instagram page earlier.. the kids looked neat clean, well fed and happy.. And there are many photos of them! On the day she said Mikaeel was gone she posted a very strange note..
http://instagram.com/rosieallgood
For some reason she put the other kids photo more than Mikaeel's..
Its really sad, i would think the police should have this removed surely. Its full of vile comments.
The photo of him with his sister is so sweet, you can hardly imagine that a few weeks later he was dead.
The family just look a normal loving family, with pets, the house is clean and they are certainly not poor or neglected.
We need to just sit and wait and find out what happened now.
Seconded. I was appalled at some of the comments.
Whatever happened, this isn't a Casey Anthony, this isn't someone who murdered her own child to go out and party.
I posted her instagram page earlier.. the kids looked neat clean, well fed and happy.. And there are many photos of them! On the day she said Mikaeel was gone she posted a very strange note..
http://instagram.com/rosieallgood
For some reason she put the other kids photo more than Mikaeel's..
Seconded. I was appalled at some of the comments.
Whatever happened, this isn't a Casey Anthony, this isn't someone who murdered her own child to go out and party.
Casey Anthony was Acquitted.
I don't think the instagram site should be removed.. It shows the other side of the coin.. i.e how the family lived and how this woman was actually a loving mother of FIVE children..
What happened later we don't know and we should wait for the police to tell..
She was not charged with murder, she was charged 'in connection with killing' .. my guess is that her other child harmed the youngest one.. and she panicked..
So was the juice, but lets face it, they did it didn't they.
Agreed, VIXTE, as said time and again, we don't know. There are many possibilities as to what happened, and judging before we know is dangerous. It is not as if we have to wait long for more info! - although it depends how much is said in court I suppose. But at least the charge will have to be made clear, I assume
According to Public Opinion. But I don't pay any attention to that. And nor does The Law.
According to Public Opinion. But I don't pay any attention to that. And nor does The Law.
The only things I have judged her on thus far are parental ability & lying to the police.
Parental ability: No matter how happy & healthy those kids might look in photos, 1 of them is now deceased.
Negative score for parenting.
Lying to police: She said she put him to bed alive at 9pm, but he was found several miles away not sleeping.
Negative score for lying to the police.
That's it, nothing more.
In the ongoing case in Scotland the mother managed to keep the abduction pretence going for two days
It seems strange that this mother, who we know is criminally involved, perverting the course of justice at least, gets far more respect on this forum than the McCanns
Well, as I said, we don't know what happened and we don't have enough info yet.
She hasn't asked for help, that is for sure.. but why? Why she hasn't called the emergency that is to be answered.
A normal human being with a functioning brain would call for help.. Why she wasn't acting as a normal human being that is the question to be answered.
...... Public Opinion is a dangerous thing because it rarely sticks to truth and facts. Already mistakes are appearing about this case, albeit inconsequential at the moment.
It seems strange that this mother, who we know is criminally involved, perverting the course of justice at least, gets far more respect on this forum than the McCanns
'Why she hasn't called the emergency that is to be answered.Some people are plumbed and wired up differently from others. If one starts to accept that some are inherently evil..........
A normal human being with a functioning brain would call for help.. '
No, its best to leave it about 45mins in 'abduction' cases.
But you knew it was either CA or her father (or both), right?
If you are really interested in my opinion then I think it was an accident involving a member of the family, although I wouldn't want to guess at who.
But that is the point. The Prosecution charged her with murder and then singularly failed to prove it.
Scotland has a "Not Proven" Verdict, so they need to be a teensy bit careful about the charge.
You didn't watch the trial, did you.
There was also the option of manslaughter, which is what they should have gone for.
Manslaughter by whom?
Are you sure of that, Cariad ? I think she partied in an attempt of distraction, since her child had (accidentally) died.
Whatever happened, this isn't a Casey Anthony, this isn't someone who murdered her own child to go out and party.
Are you sure of that, Cariad ? I think she partied in an attempt of distraction, since her child had (accidentally) died.
However, many people believe the McCanns are involved in a much more elaborate deception in the way they have behaved since 2007 and without a body have simply got away with it, which could explain the extra depth of feeling towards them?I'm not amazed by the absence of trial by public here, what amazes me is the total rejection, in the McCann case, of hypotheses formulated here like "mother's attempt to protect the child responsible for the accident".
I'm not amazed by the absence of trial by public here, what amazes me is the total rejection, in the McCann case, of hypotheses formulated here like "mother's attempt to protect the child responsible for the accident".
I'm not amazed by the absence of trial by public here, what amazes me is the total rejection, in the McCann case, of hypotheses formulated here like "mother's attempt to protect the child responsible for the accident".
I wonder if anyone here who initially believed what this mother had claimed about the circumstances of their child's disappearance, would now view the claims from other parents of a missing child with at least some degree of scepticism.
I wonder if this was even the case, why this fact would be so interesting or even pleasing for you?
We are just about relevant to topic here.... I think, these are 2 mothers who have both lied about their child's disappearance, both children being found dead in woodland near their home or a relatives.What if they had disposed of the body in a radical way ?
What if they had disposed of the body in a radical way ?
This is just heartbreaking.. Looking at these photo's http://instagram.com/rosieallgood the impression I get is she adores her children, I'm finding it hard to see her as a murderer or a person that would harm her children.. I think an accident may have happened and she was trying to protect her other children 8(8-)) I guess we'll have to wait to hear the outcome.. Very sad.. 8(8-))
Liars would have to reconsider lying if people laughed and mocked them.
What ever happened to Innocent when Acquitted? Why bother with a Trial at all?
Not if its your own child..Im assuming you are talking about the parents?No Redblossom, I'm talking in general.. Liars are many, it's rarely a good idea to believe them.
No Redblossom, I'm talking in general.. Liars are many, it's rarely a good idea to believe them.
Sometimes you're not sure and you better believe because it's awful to be doubted when you say the truth.
What ever happened to Innocent when Acquitted? Why bother with a Trial at all?
When it says 71 posts does that mean the pictures? Or 71 text posts? I don't know that site at all.I presume it's pictures Lyall, not sure.. i believe it is a site for uploading and sharing pictures.. x
If you recall there was a time when "Tone's" Government wanted to introduce a bill which loosely speaking would have granted powers to arrest someone because they looked as though they were going to do something iffy.Fortunately it was given the bums rush.Mercy!Minority Report.
I presume it's pictures Lyall, not sure.. i believe it is a site for uploading and sharing pictures.. x
So can I take it that the consensus of opinion is that Acquittal doesn't mean Innocent?
Let's hope you all don't have to deal with "Not Proven". That would be a laugh and a half.
In the ongoing case in Scotland the mother managed to keep the abduction pretence going for two daysTo my knowledge she didn't pretend he had been abducted. He was missing, with his boots on.
'Not proven' is actually quite straightforward as it is stating that while there is not enough evidence to convict, neither is there enough to bring in a verdict of 'Not Guilty'
Why Interesting? It sounds quite straight forward to me.
"Insufficient evidence" >@@(*&)
Lovely ?{)(**
An old East End gangster who became a minor celebrity on the chat circuit in his later life was often asked "Did you kill **** ?" the answer never varied "I was found not guilty of that charge".
How many humans live on this planet? You need to put these figures into perspective.....although i know sometimes its hard.
I have to find something positive every day to make me WANT to get up and go through my day, and I always find something, even if its just seeing the birds outside eating out of bird containers, it reminds me of how wonderful nature is.....
Sadly there is always going to be horrible things to read about.
Thousands of jews gassed to death, whole tribes of people died because of genocide, its been going on since humans evolved sadly, people killing for revenge, greed, so on and so forth.
I am not going to say much about this death, as we dont know what happened. The women even with 5 children seems to have had a lot of support. Her mother is a GP and I believe works in the town where the child was found. The family do not look poor.
The father was not on the birth certificate he is from Pakistan.
What could have happened to cover up a death of a 3 year old?
An accident, why cover it up.
An unlawful killing for me is the only reason why she would do that. So what happened for her to do that.
There are tons of neglected children in this country. I used to work in the community and would find 2 year olds outside half clothed....in the winter.
The problem in this country is there are now TOO many people living in it, and not enough medical clinics, or social services to deal with all the stuff that is wrong.
All I know is, a young boy of 3 has now died, and his sibling who was close to him is going to be in a terrible state now.
IF the social service had taken the twins away last year, it does show a pattern of something going on.
Now we wait. There is nothing else much we can do.
RIP little Mikaeel Kular.xxx
It seems strange that this mother, who we know is criminally involved, perverting the course of justice at least, gets far more respect on this forum than the McCanns
...so far.
Wait til you see the mob ouside the Sheriff Court tomorrow...
The Police say they spoke to Mikaeel's biological father earlier in the week,but where is he? His baby son was missing and now sadly found dead and yet he hasn't shown his face once or commented. Does he not care? As he hasn't been named (or seen) am wondering if he is maybe a well known public figure that Ms Kular had an affair with? He was also said to be overjoyed about the twins birth and yet his name does not appear on the birth certificate. All very odd,or perhaps I am too overly suspicious!
Please keep to topic as off topic posts will continue to be removed.
isn't it acceptable to draw comparisons with the McCann case...this is the Madeleine McCann forum..if not surely this whole thread is off topic
Yes. I wonder how long she would've managed if the body hadn't been recovered?
UK media apparently conflict with Scots law in Mikaeel Kular case
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/UK_media_apparently_conflict_with_Scots_law_in_Mikaeel_Kular_case
too long a read to post whole story..
But very interesting, lizzibif and well worth reading
yes I thought so too CPN..
UK media apparently conflict with Scots law in Mikaeel Kular case
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/UK_media_apparently_conflict_with_Scots_law_in_Mikaeel_Kular_case
too long a read to post whole story..
This is why we shouldn't judge till the facts are known..i prefer to wait for the facts..a little Patience goes along way..
Excellent article and very valid points.
Don't be expecting anything significant from tomorrows court hearing. She will appear before a Sheriff just long enough to plead to the charges. Depending on her response she will then be remanded in custody pending a trial or a sentencing hearing. The Sheriff may refer the case to the High Court if the charge is serious enough.
But it may make the actual charges against her clearer
Indeed. We should say thanks to lizzibif for finding that I think!
UK media apparently conflict with Scots law in Mikaeel Kular caseThanks for posting that. Let's hope it will at least be a precedent. According to what I read here, unacceptable comments were posted on Mikaeel's mother's page, as a result of divulging her name.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/UK_media_apparently_conflict_with_Scots_law_in_Mikaeel_Kular_case
too long a read to post whole story..
Even the surname of the little boy shouldn't have been mentioned. The presumption of innocence starts here.
I like the 'not proven'option in Scottish law. I don't really know any more of it than that. I also think that withholding the name of individuals arrested is a good thing.
Edit: Could the release of the arrested persons name cause a mis trial?
Thank you for bringing it here though!
I like the 'not proven'option in Scottish law. I don't really know any more of it than that. I also think that withholding the name of individuals arrested is a good thing.
Edit: Could the release of the arrested persons name cause a mis trial?
Even the surname of the little boy shouldn't have been mentioned. The presumption of innocence starts here.
It was Sky News who named the arrested woman as the mother. Since the mothers name has been all over the news because of a situation of her own making then it is not unreasonable to use it. By tomorrow morning it will be all academic in any event.What do you mean, John ? She didn't ask to be named. What interest is there in naming the protagonists of a drama ?
What do you mean, John ? She didn't ask to be named. What interest is there in naming the protagonists of a drama ?
By that reasoning the McCanns shouldn't have been named either or the Ciprianos or the Needhams but there you go...one law for one and...What "reasoning" are you talking about, Angelo ? Minors are unnamed in Portugal and in France, but this is the unique restriction. In Germany however, protagonists of a fait-divers aren't surnamed. Am I not allowed to find it better this way ?
What do you mean, John ? She didn't ask to be named. What interest is there in naming the protagonists of a drama ?
Family members spoke of their devastation, describing Mikaeel as a shy and playful boy who never left his mother’s side. Pandeep, 37, who is Rosdeep’s sister, said: ‘We’re devastated. We’ve just lost him.’
Mikaeel’s grandmother Harjinder, 59, a retired doctor who is Miss Kular’s mother, said: ‘This has been such a difficult time and my head is all over the place. I just want to be there for my daughter but I am appreciative for all that has been done to help us. I’m very sad.’
Speaking from their detached home near the woods where Mikaeel was found, her husband Dr Bangarpet Krishnaswamy added: ‘I’d like to thank all the public and the police for the search, which sadly turned out to be futile. I am sorry, I am too upset to say anything more.’
Bless its so sad, all this fall out. They have lost their grandson, and their daughter sadly. Their lives are ruined. At the end of their life that they have worked hard and hoping to enjoy some quiet times in retirement, seconds in someones life has changed all that.......
BBC Scotland
Mikaeel Kular: Two men arrested over racist tweets
Mikaeel Kular The racist tweets related to the disappearance of Mikaeel Kular
Offensive Mikaeel tweet investigated
Two men have been arrested after racist comments about the disappearance of three-year-old Mikaeel Kular were posted on Twitter.
Police said the men, aged 19 and 26, had been arrested, questioned and released on bail.
The tweets were brought to the attention of Police Scotland by members of the public in Edinburgh.
Police Scotland officers liaised with Hampshire and Derbyshire forces to identify the suspects.
On Saturday, Police Scotland said they were investigating another offensive tweet relating to the case which had originated in the Manchester area.
Ch Supt Mark Williams, Police Scotland's divisional commander for Edinburgh, said: "Any reports of racist, offensive or abusive comments made online will be thoroughly investigated and those responsible will be brought to justice.
"If you commit an offence, we will investigate it and you will be prosecuted"
Rightly so..
I wonder how they define 'offensive' exactly,
And surely any kind of racism is completely unacceptable, unless it's a joke about an Englishman, Irishman & a Scotsman, of course because there would be absolutely nothing racist about that would there.
I think most of us understand what is offensive
It's subjective.
I wonder how they define 'offensive' exactly,
And surely any kind of racism is completely unacceptable, unless it's a joke about an Englishman, Irishman & a Scotsman, of course because there would be absolutely nothing racist about that would there.
The extreme racist is more liberal than any hypocrite liberal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEi5Dpq6zs
It's subjective.
She called police and claimed her son had disappeared. That was guaranteed to result in a well-publicised search, an inevitable result of which she herself would be named.I'm not suggesting that she should have been asked her name when she called the police !
What "reasoning" are you talking about, Angelo ? Minors are unnamed in Portugal and in France, but this is the unique restriction. In Germany however, protagonists of a fait-divers aren't surnamed. Am I not allowed to find it better this way ?
to a certain extent it is...but it is also governed by law
Are we all to suddenly develop amnesia since a missing child case has now turned into a murder inquiry? Miss Kular sought the help of the public so it was only natural that her name and the name of the missing child be known just as it was with Madeleine McCann.I wonder what function "McCann" had in the media for the search of Madeleine.
What is it that you dont understand about the press releasing her name..the way I read it is that the press shouldn't have gave out the mother 's name when she was only detained at the time the press released it..that it what the scots courts are talking about..not that she was named as the boys mother..before she was detained..The name "Kular" was of no use for the search. The public should ignore it.
I wonder what function "McCann" had in the media for the search of Madeleine.