Barry George revisited.

[Nicholas]

In the case of BG the particle was found a year later.

Plenty of time then for hundreds, thousands etc of particles to have dropped off and deposited elsewhere then

[Nicholas]

As forensic scientist Angela Shaw said in the recent douc the particle found in BG's coat pocket a year later could not link him to the shooting.  She estimates 1 in a 100 people will inadvertently pick up a particle.

Are you familiar with probability fallacies Holly?

[Holly Goodhead]

What’s the first factor?

Is there a first?

[Angelo222]

There's a few recent interesting stories about him online.

https://popularcrime.com/2019/04/25/what-happened-to-barry-george-did-he-go-to-prison-for-killing-jill-dando-and-did-he-receive-compensation/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/sister-acquitted-jill-dando-murder-14578144.amp#click=https://t.co/xyiO85vNqE

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-25/jill-dando-barry-george-murder-documentary/

[Nicholas]

Is there a first?

Another factor is when GSR particles are found.  In the case of BG the particle was found a year later.  As forensic scientist Angela Shaw said in the recent douc the particle found in BG's coat pocket a year later could not link him to the shooting.  She estimates 1 in a 100 people will inadvertently pick up a particle.

You tell me

[Nicholas]

Another factor is when GSR particles are found.  In the case of BG the particle was found a year later.  As forensic scientist Angela Shaw said in the recent douc the particle found in BG's coat pocket a year later could not link him to the shooting.  She estimates 1 in a 100 people will inadvertently pick up a particle.

How can Angela Shaws probability fallacy not be contaminated by confirmation bias given she knows about the Barry George case evidence?

[Holly Goodhead]

Plenty of time then for hundreds, thousands etc of particles to have dropped off and deposited elsewhere then

I'm not sure how they would drop out of a coat pocket? 

I've never read anything about the history of this coat ie where it was purchased from?  Was it purchased new or second-hand?  It looks fairly shabby in the pics I've seen and not shabby chic!  Was it ever washed/dry cleaned?

I wouldn't rule out contamination in police custody or FSS? 

[Angelo222]

Still awaiting your guilty evidence Nicholas?

[Nicholas]

Another factor is when GSR particles are found.  In the case of BG the particle was found a year later.  As forensic scientist Angela Shaw said in the recent douc the particle found in BG's coat pocket a year later could not link him to the shooting.  She estimates 1 in a 100 people will inadvertently pick up a particle.

Treating dependent evidence as independent evidence is explained by Norman Fenton et al.

Angela Shaws comment during the BBC did not factor in the other circumstantial evidence of the case against Barry George!

Ergo it was bias

[Nicholas]

I'm not sure how they would drop out of a coat pocket? 

What are pockets on a coat for?

[Holly Goodhead]

Are you familiar with probability fallacies Holly?

I understand the basics of probability.  Forensic Scientist Angela Shaw explained how they (scientists) estimate that 1 in 100 people will inadvertently pick up a single gsr particle.

[Nicholas]

I wouldn't rule out contamination in police custody or FSS?

What were the arguments put forward re contamination?

[Holly Goodhead]

Treating dependent evidence as independent evidence is explained by Norman Fenton et al.

Angela Shaws comment during the BBC did not factor in the other circumstantial evidence of the case against Barry George!

Ergo it was bias

But jurors at BG's second trial heard all the other circumstantial evidence of the case against Barry George and the verdict was a unanimous not guilty.

[Nicholas]

I understand the basics of probability.

What do you understand of Norman Fenton et al’ research?

[Nicholas]

But jurors at BG's second trial heard all the other circumstantial evidence of the case against Barry George and the verdict was a unanimous not guilty.

Did they?