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Offline Bullseye

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2022, 09:51:17 PM »
Nonsense - Lets actually dissect this a little. The inference being that they have destroyed evidence which could finally show Mitchell to be innocent.

Firstly, it is 12yrs legally for things to be retained in a 'solved' series crime. It has been 17yrs since Mitchell's guilty verdict alone. This since 2014 to 26 is nonsense. When that refusal came back from the SCCRC. There would have had to be something directly from them, of stipulating that 'certain' things should be retained longer. And even IF this has happened, it certainly is NOT around what Ms Lean nor Mr Forbes believe should have been there for them, in this needle in a haystack for some imaginary silver bullet. It would be around 'certain' things and not the thousands of stuff gathered and labelled in a list. Just because they apply the word 'evidence' to everything does not make it anything of the sort.

The quote from the Crown, really? This is not around destroying evidence, it is around disposing of items personally belonging to Mitchell, who should have been contacted prior to disposing of his items. Legal action that may be taken for NOT contacting him, now halted to see if what is remaining in that list has anything he desires to have back?

Confused? That massive list of labelled items, storage and the legal time well past its date to retain. Putting 'production' 'evidence' and all together - Behave. We can take the wall for a start, absolutely nothing to do with forensic evidence, it was a production which would have been taken up masses of storage. So do you believe that for every Tom, Dick and Harry bleating innocence, that Mitchell should have been favoured in some way. The law bent and shaped solely around him? 17yrs and NOT 8yrs.

What will be retained without any doubt will be forensic samples to do with the crime itself. These types of certain things that are kept with many crimes, solved or otherwise.

But please - This nonsense of things being "hidden" from his defence, seriously? Let us just take one of their "hidden" examples, that knife in the skip, plastered all over the media in 2003. The have been given a list of productions and oohing over it, with the usual manipulation applied to it. Oh, someone had a coat taken from them, oh there is my essays I was on about. - Utter nonsense.

The majority of stuff obtained NOT used by either the Crown or defence, of no value, such as knife in skip that yielded nothing of the victim. Ms Mitchell and the 'everything' they removed of Luke's. With only a tiny fraction of these used at trial. His shiny green coat, his knife, the pouch and so forth.

According to the latest update it was more than just personal belongings of Luke, the fingernail scrapping surely should have been kept?

Wonder what is left from all they took to be destroyed?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/9856406/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-police-evidence-destroyed-dna/

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2022, 09:57:59 PM »
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/9856406/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-police-evidence-destroyed-dna/

Douglas Walker and the suns innocence fraud fest

Two essays entitled “No Remorse” by a now-deceased local drug addict were also taken away. This described killing a girl in the woods

“Police stated previously that another essay entitled “Killing A Girl In The Woods” didn’t exist.”


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“Lawyer Scott Forbes of Mitchell’s legal team said: “I’m of the opinion that from the outset, police have lied about, hidden, and manipulated the evidence in this case. The recent developments support this.

“Lies about search warrants and essays were told to the High Court. The green parka coat was manipulated and hidden, as was Jodi's psychology reports and several knives.


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Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2022, 10:05:21 PM »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2022, 10:17:36 PM »
According to the latest update it was more than just personal belongings of Luke, the fingernail scrapping surely should have been kept?

Wonder what is left from all they took to be destroyed?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/9856406/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-police-evidence-destroyed-dna/

Innocence fraud is keeping this HOAX PR gravy train campaign going round

There are no new legal arguments nor is there any new evidence - not that aides the guilty killer in anyway at least
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Offline Bullseye

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2022, 10:30:31 PM »
Innocence fraud is keeping this HOAX PR gravy train campaign going round

There are no new legal arguments nor is there any new evidence - not that aides the guilty killer in anyway at least

Isn’t that why the team wanted the evidence in the first place? To retest it so they might find new evidence from it like dna that could then help to provide new legal arguments?

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2022, 10:42:26 PM »
Isn’t that why the team wanted the evidence in the first place? To retest it so they might find new evidence from it like dna that could then help to provide new legal arguments?

killer Luke Mitchell agreed during his trial, via his legal team, that DNA couldn’t assist him and fraudster Marilyn Moseby can’t help him out
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Killer Luke Mitchell’s DNA & The Constant Lies & Manipulation By Hoaxer Sandra Lean (Part 128)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/19/killer-luke-mitchell-dna-the-constant-lies-manipulation-by-sandra-lean-part-128/

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Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2022, 10:47:47 PM »
I don't even need to click on the link to know who the "forensics expert" is.

Man that tried to impersonate a police officer, so he could bully, intimidate and terrorize a woman on her own. Yea he sounds really trustworthy.

He’ll be involved somewhere for sure
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Bullseye

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2022, 12:13:11 AM »
killer Luke Mitchell agreed during his trial, via his legal team, that DNA couldn’t assist him and fraudster Marilyn Moseby can’t help him out
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Killer Luke Mitchell’s DNA & The Constant Lies & Manipulation By Hoaxer Sandra Lean (Part 128)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/19/killer-luke-mitchell-dna-the-constant-lies-manipulation-by-sandra-lean-part-128/

Does that mean they can’t use any new dna finding if it was retested? Or do you just mean he agreed back then it couldn’t help him therefore he has made his choice, so to speak?
Back then dna testing might not have helped him but the testing has came on leaps and bounds since then so who knows what they might find, but if it’s all been destroyed then we will never know.

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2022, 11:58:19 AM »
Does that mean they can’t use any new dna finding if it was retested?

It means if psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell (and his innocence fraud enablers) wants to appeal his convictions he will have to make another application to the SCCRC
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https://www.sccrc.co.uk/making-an-application-old


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Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2022, 12:01:59 PM »
but if it’s all been destroyed then we will never know.

What exactly are the fraudsters claiming were destroyed?

And have you seen any official documents regarding these alleged destructions?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2022, 12:44:48 PM »
Back then dna testing might not have helped him but the testing has came on leaps and bounds since then so who knows what they might find, but if it’s all been destroyed then we will never know.

DNA is circumstantial evidence and won’t make any real difference to killer Luke Mitchell’s convictions

The only way he’ll ever be able to overturn his convictions is by somehow showing that he and his mother and brother (Corinne and Shane Mitchell) weren’t lying

Like in the case of killer Simon Hall - the Mitchell families lies and concoctions are woven into the general framework of this case/convictions
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Offline Nicholas

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2022, 12:51:05 PM »
Does that mean they can’t use any new dna finding if it was retested? Or do you just mean he agreed back then it couldn’t help him therefore he has made his choice, so to speak?
Back then dna testing might not have helped him but the testing has came on leaps and bounds since then so who knows what they might find, but if it’s all been destroyed then we will never know.

DNA tests were carried out on a sock, said to be used by the mass murderer, child killer and sexual deviant David (Dai) Morris. The tests came back as a match and still his family denied his obvious guilt https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/sock-found-clydach-murders-scene-21895944
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Offline Parky41

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2022, 01:48:00 PM »
According to the latest update it was more than just personal belongings of Luke, the fingernail scrapping surely should have been kept?

Wonder what is left from all they took to be destroyed?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/9856406/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-police-evidence-destroyed-dna/

Bullseye - Mainly highlighting the legal aspect of things. Not around what may have been disposed of. It is 12yrs for series solved crime in Scotland around everything. The only inclusion of the SCCRC into anything, is if they specifically placed a 'clause' around the retainment of anything from that point. And IF this clause is there, then it would only be around certain things and not the everything.

But let us be blatantly frank here, this is Forbes and Lean here we are talking about. Now whilst some place faith in these people there are certainly more who see right through them. Ms Lean is however being just a little more honest (I think), around the why? 'What is the problem in keeping everything if they are so sure of guilt. The timings and then the usual manipulation around, is it just a coincidence they are being disposed of when a review is being sought. ---------------'

The only rat I smell here is the usual bog-standard manipulation, and where Forbes is concerned then anything bloody goes. does it not? He opens up his mouth and most of what is produced is sheer fantasy. He was stating in the past MK was involved, he is now stating others are the killer/s. He is telling you of his x-ray vision to see through rucksacks and contents of whopping big bowie knives - Does this make it true? No of course not, he just makes things up.

It is attempting to at least place some sense here. - Whatever these people are able to see on a list, then it is without any doubt something his original defence, and any subsequent appeals were also able to see. IF they chose not to use anything then those actual professionals had very good reason for NOT doing so. Not the fantasy and sheer nonsense drooling forth from him. Nor his fellow enabler.

And still the penny does NOT drop, does it? You, yourself were told that one could NOT discuss anything around re-testing due to the legal team at the time, there was no legal team. What there does however appear to be, tying in with that claim, is knowledge of sorts at that point, that things were being signed off.

I mentioned 2018/19 when Ms Lean had already placed her deadline around testing, of two years, when she had her begging bowl out for funding. Now what was that date actually from? That took us to 2021 at a push, then items being signed off for disposal or return. All seems to be tying together here, does it not?

The only problem and failure I see, is of Mitchell not being able to secure someone worth their salt, in pushing things forward to have any re-testing carried out. But and again, we do NOT forget the testing already carried out by the SCCRC, and I do wonder if it is this 'new' testing that must be retained for X amount of time. Just a thought.



Online Chris_Halkides

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2022, 05:12:53 PM »
From a link upthread:  "But since the formation of the Scottish Police Authority and single force in 2013, defence briefs have been banned from seeing the cops’ secret forensics files.  It means scientific police evidence — including DNA samples — must be accepted as fact without scrutiny.  Scotland is the only country in the civilised world where lawyers are denied access to this key evidence."

Some time ago I discussed in blog entries why it was important for the defense to have full access to electronic DNA data in an unprocessed form.  As Dr. Jamieson indicated, there have been many cases around the world in which careful scrutiny of the records has uncovered errors.  There is no good reason not to give the defense full access, but there are bad ones.

Online Chris_Halkides

Re: “Police destroy evidence”
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2022, 05:15:57 PM »
"FINGERNAIL scrapings of murdered schoolgirl Jodi Jones were among the pieces of evidence illicitly taken by cops to destroy, we can reveal.

The key samples would likely have contained DNA from her convicted killer Luke Mitchell if she tried to fight him off."

Fingernail scrapings are potentially highly probative pieces of evidence.  One reason for this is that several studies have measured how frequently foreign DNA is found underneath fingernails under ordinary circumstances.