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Offline Robittybob1

Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #330 on: December 04, 2019, 11:45:17 AM »
Reliable summary http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682463/DNA%20Evidence
"JonBenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia""DNA Evidence"
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #331 on: December 04, 2019, 09:16:36 PM »
Over 9,000 views for the thread.  Thanking you all for the support.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #332 on: December 04, 2019, 09:20:15 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2019, 10:59:24 AM
one site made this comment about the fingernail DNA results: "That evidence was considered not to be reliable. First, they didn't know when the last time she had her nails cleaned. Second, the ME used the same clippers for each nail and hand, therefore contaminating the evidence."  https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenet/comments/53jrhx/dna_under_jbrs_fingernails/
I find that sort of criticism unhelpful.  Each nail may have had too little material to get a result.  Combining all the clippings together seems the right thing to do to me.

[Later on I found the DNA results were given for the left hand and the right hand, so they were not all lumped together i.e. all 10 fingernails together.]
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #333 on: December 04, 2019, 09:25:15 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 03, 2019, 10:38:11 PM
I am wanting to look into the DNA traces found on Jonbenet.
As I understand it there were 3 sites for DNA.

1. Under her fingernails
2. On her panties
3. On her long johns.

I must admit the DNA evidence has me confused, but as I understand it at the moment  the DNA on the long johns matched that on the panties, was sufficiently different to the Ramsey's sample for Mary Tracy the Boulder DA at the time to clear the Ramsey family.

I am particularly interested in seeing the DNA profile from the material under Jonbenet's fingernails.  Can anyone help me find the DNA lab test results?
There was also what was thought to be a pubic hair found on the blanket.  Why has no one asked for that hair to be have a mitochondrial DNA test done on it?

It is more than likely Melinda has a different mDNA result compared to Patsy, and John would be different again.

[Later we find the FBI claim to have performed a Mitochondrial DNA test on the hair, now used up.]

It is possible there was no actual hair, the whole thing might have been a ruse.  There are no photos, no lab test results, and now the hair doesn't exist anymore as it has been used up in the testing  procedure.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #334 on: December 04, 2019, 10:55:57 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 04, 2019, 10:59:24 AM
one site made this comment about the fingernail DNA results: "That evidence was considered not to be reliable. First, they didn't know when the last time she had her nails cleaned. Second, the ME used the same clippers for each nail and hand, therefore contaminating the evidence."  https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenet/comments/53jrhx/dna_under_jbrs_fingernails/
https://youtu.be/N_Q5U2YWU1Q "Jonbenet Ramsey / Fingernails DNA"
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #335 on: December 05, 2019, 10:45:06 AM »
https://jonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community/post/1st-cbi-dna-test-results-january-13-1997-and-cellmark-dna-test-results-may-131997-9803782?pid=1307027444&fbclid=IwAR1-IWX5WDqHJCy-EHycZEVsnn2Byj49c7jznjOauE8AULv8IETFpzmYmYg

Has a copy of the results and a discussion on what the results mean.  Unfortunately I have insufficient knowledge to fully understand what it all means.  Are there any DNA scientists out there?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #336 on: December 05, 2019, 10:02:28 PM »
Will this article help us?  "Decoding the DNA reports in the JonBenet Ramsey case"  https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/jonbenet-ramsey/decoding-the-dna-reports-in-the-jonbenet-ramsey-case/73-347217323



The document calls both Melinda and John Andrew as half sister and half brother but no actual proof of that relationship is given.
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« Reply #337 on: December 05, 2019, 10:20:08 PM »
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #338 on: December 06, 2019, 10:20:33 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on December 05, 2019, 10:02:28 PM
Will this article help us?  "Decoding the DNA reports in the JonBenet Ramsey case"  https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/jonbenet-ramsey/decoding-the-dna-reports-in-the-jonbenet-ramsey-case/73-347217323



The document calls both Melinda and John Andrew as half sister and half brother but no actual proof of that relationship is given.


https://juror13lw.com/2018/04/13/the-pink-nightgown-paradox/
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #339 on: December 06, 2019, 11:06:12 AM »
full reports of the DNA analyses are found in this collection of documents. http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/133993644/117.pdf

""The following documents were received from a Colorado Open Records Act (CORA) request made of the Boulder District Attorneys Office for documents related to DNA Testing."
Source: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/jonbenet-ramsey-cora-files-index.450108/
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #340 on: December 06, 2019, 07:02:21 PM »
The Killing of JonBenet Ramsey  series on YouTube  covers the capture of John Mark Karr.
https://youtu.be/nQjlFPxJAEs Part 1
https://youtu.be/50J3VhXiwSE Part 2
https://youtu.be/IOhymy_tt6w  Part 3.

"August 16, 2006 - Officials announce that 41-year-old John Mark Karr has been arrested in Bangkok, Thailand as a suspect in the case. Karr allegedly told an American investigator that he drugged JonBenét and sexually assaulted her before accidentally killing her. Prosecutors later drop the case after DNA tests fail to link him to the crime scene."  https://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/29/us/jonbenet-ramsey-murder-fast-facts/index.html
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« Reply #341 on: December 06, 2019, 09:35:02 PM »
"Furthermore, two of the three samples that prompted Lacy to declare that no one in the Ramsey family could be JonBenét’s killer actually appear to include genetic material from at least three people: JonBenét, the person whose DNA profile originally was located in her underwear during testing beginning in the late 1990s, and at least one additional “as-yet-unidentified person or persons,” the report found.

“Consequently, its meaning is far from clear,” according to the report.

The experts contacted by the news organizations also found that the DNA profile referred to as Unknown Male 1, which was identified during testing on JonBenét’s panties, may not be the DNA of a single person, but instead a composite of genetic materials from several people, thus making it potentially “worthless” as evidence.

And the presence of that DNA on JonBenét’s undergarments, whether from one or multiple people, may be entirely innocent, the experts concluded, saying they could have been the result of inconsequential contact with other people or transferred from another piece of clothing.

“If true, it would contradict the assertions that DNA will be key to finding JonBenét’s killer,” according to the report."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2072826/new-shocking-dna-evidence-in-the-jonbenet-ramsey-murder-case-casts-doubt-on-parents-innocence/
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #342 on: December 07, 2019, 07:32:26 AM »
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« Reply #343 on: December 07, 2019, 07:41:54 AM »
"Early in the investigation, police found male DNA in a drop of blood on JonBenet's underwear and determined it was not from anyone in her family."

Whose blood was it?
Was the blood from Jonbenet?  Or was it from the male?
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« Reply #344 on: December 07, 2019, 08:08:11 AM »
"I am former Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner. I worked in law enforcement for 36 years, and headed the investigation into the JonBenet Ramsey murder. AMAA."

 https://extras.denverpost.com/jonbenetAMA.html  We may have covered this AMAA earlier in the thread.
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