Differing statements; Mr Pike and Jean Boutell.

[G-Unit]

Mr Pike was the man who collected the Envoy Cordless telephone and it's associated adaptor from WHF on 5th August '85. He described his visit in a statement given on 19/9/85, with further statements on 8/10/85 and 9/1/86.

According to Pike he visited by appointment in the morning between 10-10:30 am. He was met at the back door by Sheila Caffell and her boys. She called her mother and as the phone wasn't ready her father was called from the barn.

Mr Pike and Nevill disconnected the phone and the adaptor between them and Mr Pike placed it in it's original packaging and left.

Jean Boutell was asked on 2/10/86 if she recalled Mr Pike's visit on 5th August '85. She said she did, and it took place at around 2:00pm. She says the whole family were in the kitchen and Jeremy Bamber came out and answered the door to Mr Pike.

Mr Pike 'went to the kitchen door' and was met by Mr Bamber who had a telephone in his hand. They spoke on the back doorstep but then walked off together towards Mr Pike's car. She says it was the cordless phone.

So was Jean Boutell remembering everything wrongly, or were there two visits by Mr Pike that day?

[Robittybob1]

Mr Pike was the man who collected the Envoy Cordless telephone and it's associated adaptor from WHF on 5th August '85. He described his visit in a statement given on 19/9/85, with further statements on 8/10/85 and 9/1/86.

According to Pike he visited by appointment in the morning between 10-10:30 am. He was met at the back door by Sheila Caffell and her boys. She called her mother and as the phone wasn't ready her father was called from the barn.

Mr Pike and Nevill disconnected the phone and the adaptor between them and Mr Pike placed it in it's original packaging and left.

Jean Boutell was asked on 2/10/86 if she recalled Mr Pike's visit on 5th August '85. She said she did, and it took place at around 2:00pm. She says the whole family were in the kitchen and Jeremy Bamber came out and answered the door to Mr Pike.

Mr Pike 'went to the kitchen door' and was met by Mr Bamber who had a telephone in his hand. They spoke on the back doorstep but then walked off together towards Mr Pike's car. She says it was the cordless phone.

So was Jean Boutell remembering everything wrongly, or were there two visits by Mr Pike that day?

Where did you read the original statements?

[Holly Goodhead]

Mr Pike was the man who collected the Envoy Cordless telephone and it's associated adaptor from WHF on 5th August '85. He described his visit in a statement given on 19/9/85, with further statements on 8/10/85 and 9/1/86.

According to Pike he visited by appointment in the morning between 10-10:30 am. He was met at the back door by Sheila Caffell and her boys. She called her mother and as the phone wasn't ready her father was called from the barn.

Mr Pike and Nevill disconnected the phone and the adaptor between them and Mr Pike placed it in it's original packaging and left.

Jean Boutell was asked on 2/10/86 if she recalled Mr Pike's visit on 5th August '85. She said she did, and it took place at around 2:00pm. She says the whole family were in the kitchen and Jeremy Bamber came out and answered the door to Mr Pike.

Mr Pike 'went to the kitchen door' and was met by Mr Bamber who had a telephone in his hand. They spoke on the back doorstep but then walked off together towards Mr Pike's car. She says it was the cordless phone.

So was Jean Boutell remembering everything wrongly, or were there two visits by Mr Pike that day?

There was talk of a gas man calling but I think CAL said she could find no evidence of this?  I gave my copy to a friend pre Lockdown so don't have access to it.

If there's any truth to the gas man did Jean B muddle this visit with Mr P? 

[G-Unit]

There was talk of a gas man calling but I think CAL said she could find no evidence of this?  I gave my copy to a friend pre Lockdown so don't have access to it.

If there's any truth to the gas man did Jean B muddle this visit with Mr P?

I don't know, but they have placed the visits at least four hours apart and with different people present.

I've pm'd you.

[Caroline]

There was talk of a gas man calling but I think CAL said she could find no evidence of this?  I gave my copy to a friend pre Lockdown so don't have access to it.

If there's any truth to the gas man did Jean B muddle this visit with Mr P?

The tale is  that it was electricity man - it's a myth.

[Robittybob1]

The tale is  that it was electricity man - it's a myth.

Statements like that won't be acceptable soon.   We'll need cites and expressions of opinion when it is opinion only.
From now on it is facts.  Supported facts or explained myths,

[APRIL]

Statements like that won't be acceptable soon.   We'll need cites and expressions of opinion when it is opinion only.
From now on it is facts.  Supported facts or explained myths,

The myth started out as someone's opinion. Are you saying you require an opinion on someone's opinion? Will you then confer your own opinion on it? Perhaps one of your fellow mods might care to give their own opinion on those  opinions previously given?

[Robittybob1]

The myth started out as someone's opinion. Are you saying you require an opinion on someone's opinion? Will you then confer your own opinion on it? Perhaps one of your fellow mods might care to give their own opinion on those  opinions previously given?

One way or the other, you will need to fall in line.

[APRIL]

One way or the other, you will need to fall in line.

Are you saying that we're required to agree that it's our opinion that someone else's opinion is correct or incorrect?

[Robittybob1]

Are you saying that we're required to agree that it's our opinion that someone else's opinion is correct or incorrect?

You'll get the hang of it soon enough.

[G-Unit]

Are you saying that we're required to agree that it's our opinion that someone else's opinion is correct or incorrect?

It's OK for posters to write "In my opinion Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath". If they write "It's a fact that Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath" a cite is required.

[Caroline]

It's OK for posters to write "In my opinion Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath". If they write "It's a fact that Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath" a cite is required.

Cites have been posted to back that claim up, the cite isn't good enough for you - that's just tough.

[APRIL]

It's OK for posters to write "In my opinion Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath". If they write "It's a fact that Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath" a cite is required.

Coincidentally, just this morning, I was with the person who'd been secretary to the first psychiatrist who assessed him as a psychopath. Far be it from me to say, of so highly qualified a person, that such was only his opinion.

[G-Unit]

Coincidentally, just this morning, I was with the person who'd been secretary to the first psychiatrist who assessed him as a psychopath. Far be it from me to say, of so highly qualified a person, that such was only his opinion.

In which case you know the psychiatrist's name but I very much doubt you'll share it. Therefore no matter how convinced you are I have no reason to be convinced because all I have is the word of someone I don't know.

[APRIL]

In which case you know the psychiatrist's name but I very much doubt you'll share it. Therefore no matter how convinced you are I have no reason to be convinced because all I have is the word of someone I don't know.

I'll tell you what I'm prepared to do, I'll try to find out if he's still alive. If he isn't, and he has no dependents, I'll give you his name. However, my suspicions are strong that you'll find some grounds to reject his findings.