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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #315 on: June 20, 2018, 12:46:46 PM »
O for a post that gives a complete picture.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #316 on: June 21, 2018, 07:17:13 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 20, 2018, 10:49:43 AM
But don't you castigate her responsible adult for allowing them to spend a night in the garden without an adult present?  Surely he is to blame for her death, in your view?

I am just trying to establish the point that these cases are totally different.

The child who was taken from the tent wanted to have a children's camp out -didn't we all love that- this was part of being a child and having the choice.

IMO the McCann children had no choice and got no pleasure from the experience of being left alone at night - one child complained about it and then when it happened again the same child disappeared. COMPLETELY different stories.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #317 on: June 22, 2018, 10:04:05 AM »
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 21, 2018, 07:17:13 PM
I am just trying to establish the point that these cases are totally different.

The child who was taken from the tent wanted to have a children's camp out -didn't we all love that- this was part of being a child and having the choice.

IMO the McCann children had no choice and got no pleasure from the experience of being left alone at night - one child complained about it and then when it happened again the same child disappeared. COMPLETELY different stories.
I responded to this post but my reply was removed.  Why? 
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #318 on: June 22, 2018, 10:06:34 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2018, 10:04:05 AM
I responded to this post but my reply was removed.  Why?

For suggesting a poster blamed an innocent victim for a crime. Please take offline.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #319 on: June 22, 2018, 10:12:21 AM »
Quote from: slartibartfast on June 22, 2018, 10:06:34 AM
For suggesting a poster blamed an innocent victim for a crime. Please take offline.
That is what her posts suggests - that it was not the responsibility of the adult because the child wanted to sleep in the garden.  Chldren want to do alot of things but it is the duty of responsible adults to decide what and what is not appropriate.  Personally I don’t hold the uncle in question at all responsible for what happened to his niece, that was purely down to the murdering s..mbag who took her.  But young children were left unattended and in harm’s way and  I’m just interested in the double standards on display by some.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #320 on: June 22, 2018, 10:17:32 AM »
Quote from: Lace on June 19, 2018, 09:03:14 PM
I wouldn't have left my children alone as the McCann's did,  but as they said they thought they were safe they were checking on them regularly,   who would imagine someone would take one of them in a child friendly quiet resort?


If that were the case - why did the nannies carry rape alarms.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #321 on: June 22, 2018, 10:27:28 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2018, 10:12:21 AM
That is what her posts suggests - that it was not the responsibility of the adult because the child wanted to sleep in the garden.  Chldren want to do alot of things but it is the duty of responsible adults to decide what and what is not appropriate.  Personally I don’t hold the uncle in question at all responsible for what happened to his niece, that was purely down to the murdering s..mbag who took her.  But young children were left unattended and in harm’s way and  I’m just interested in the double standards on display by some.

Parents are responsible for their child’s development. Some activities are good for child development others have little or no impact.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #322 on: June 22, 2018, 10:37:46 AM »
Quote from: slartibartfast on June 22, 2018, 10:27:28 AM
Parents are responsible for their child’s development. Some activities are good for child development others have little or no impact.
I agree.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #323 on: June 22, 2018, 10:59:27 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2018, 10:37:46 AM
I agree.

Good. Would you also agree that an accident happening as a result of a developmental activity is less “blameworthy” than an accident happening as a result of a non developmental activity?
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Offline Erngath

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #324 on: June 22, 2018, 11:04:36 AM »
Quote from: slartibartfast on June 22, 2018, 10:59:27 AM
Good. Would you also agree that an accident happening as a result of a developmental activity is less “blameworthy” than an accident happening as a result of a non developmental activity?


Children could be involved in a developmental activity but come to harm because of lack of parental supervision during that activity, or letting them take part in a developmental activity for which the child is not prepared or letting them take part in a developmental activity which is  not age related.
And who is to decide an appropriate age for children to take part in some development activity.
Parents make differing choices and sometimes have to live with the consequences if their choice was wrong.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #325 on: June 22, 2018, 11:11:35 AM »
Quote from: Erngath on June 22, 2018, 11:04:36 AM

Children could be involved in a developmental activity but come to harm because of lack of parental supervision during that activity, or letting them take part in a developmental activity for which the child is not prepared or letting them take part in a developmental activity which is  not age related.
And who is to decide an appropriate age for children to take part in some development activity.
Parents make differing choices and sometimes have to live with the consequences if their choice was wrong.


Leaving three babies - unattended is not an activity .... its abandoning them imo.


MADELEINE McCann’s parents were not prosecuted for abandoning their daughter
while they dined near by because of “compassion”, law chiefs have claimed.

Portuguese officials thought Brits had “peculiar customs” where it was “natural
for them to leave the two-year-old twin siblings and the other
three-year-old child alone”.

Former minister of internal affairs Rui Pereira slammed Portuguese cops for
not making Kate, 48, and 47-year-old dad Gerry suspects for abandonment.

Madeleine, who was three at the time, was left sleeping in the family’s
holiday apartment in the Algarve resort with her younger twin siblings as
her parents went for dinner with friends in a nearby restaurant.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1151476/revealed-why-the-portuguese-police-didnt-charge-mccanns-for-childrens-abandonment-after-maddie-disappeared/

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Offline Erngath

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #326 on: June 22, 2018, 11:17:13 AM »
Quote from: kizzy on June 22, 2018, 10:17:32 AM

If that were the case - why did the nannies carry rape alarms.

Is this true?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #327 on: June 22, 2018, 11:19:52 AM »
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #328 on: June 22, 2018, 11:22:03 AM »
Quote from: Erngath on June 22, 2018, 11:04:36 AM

Children could be involved in a developmental activity but come to harm because of lack of parental supervision during that activity, or letting them take part in a developmental activity for which the child is not prepared or letting them take part in a developmental activity which is  not age related.
And who is to decide an appropriate age for children to take part in some development activity.
Parents make differing choices and sometimes have to live with the consequences if their choice was wrong.

Agreed. Just differentiating between things done in the interest of the Child and those for the benefit of the Parent. I do realise there can be a significant cross over.
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Offline Erngath

Re: Is it fair to blame police for the result of the McCanns actions on the holiday?
« Reply #329 on: June 22, 2018, 12:05:11 PM »
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