Parliament attempts to block a 'No Deal Brexit'.

[John]

So here we are, Parliament is back after the summer recess and up to their old tricks again in the name of democracy, but whose democracy do they represent since there appears to be several meanings of the term these days.

As it stands, the Labour Party now have a Bill before Westminster which seeks to prevent a No-Deal-Brexit on the 31st October, a Bill which the government now refers to as the 'Surrender Bill' since it effectively hands the Brexit timetable to the EU. The government has today announced that it will not appose this Bill in the House of Lords.

For their part, the government yesterday attempted to call a General Election on the 15th October but in order to do so they required that 2/3 of the Commons vote in favour of doing so. In last nights vote the Labour Party and others abstained from voting thus the required quota was not obtained. This leaves the government with very little option but to trigger a General Election by bringing a No Confidence Motion in themselves. Labour can of course argue that they have every confidence in the government and so attempt to thwart such a move.

And so it goes on, democracy denied or what?

[Venturi Swirl]

So here we are, Parliament is back after the summer recess and up to their old tricks again in the name of democracy, but whose democracy do they represent since there appears to be several meanings of the term these days.

As it stands, the Labour Party now have a Bill before Westminster which seeks to prevent a No-Deal-Brexit on the 31st October, a Bill which the government now refers to as the 'Surrender Bill' since it effectively hands the Brexit timetable to the EU. The government has today announced that it will not appose this Bill in the House of Lords.

For their part, the government yesterday attempted to call a General Election on the 15th October but in order to do so they required that 2/3 of the Commons vote in favour of doing so. In last night vote the Labour Party and others abstained from voting thus the required quota was not obtained. This leaves the government with very little option but to trigger a General Election by bringing a No Confidence Motion in themselves. Labour can of course argue that they have every confidence in the government and so attempt to thwart such a move.

And so it goes on, democracy denied or what?

I can’t wait for the government to bring a No Confidence motion on itself, how bloody hilarious that will be.

[misty]

So here we are, Parliament is back after the summer recess and up to their old tricks again in the name of democracy, but whose democracy do they represent since there appears to be several meanings of the term these days.

As it stands, the Labour Party now have a Bill before Westminster which seeks to prevent a No-Deal-Brexit on the 31st October, a Bill which the government now refers to as the 'Surrender Bill' since it effectively hands the Brexit timetable to the EU. The government has today announced that it will not appose this Bill in the House of Lords.

For their part, the government yesterday attempted to call a General Election on the 15th October but in order to do so they required that 2/3 of the Commons vote in favour of doing so. In last night vote the Labour Party and others abstained from voting thus the required quota was not obtained. This leaves the government with very little option but to trigger a General Election by bringing a No Confidence Motion in themselves. Labour can of course argue that they have every confidence in the government and so attempt to thwart such a move.

And so it goes on, democracy denied or what?

What can prevent the EU from denying any extension after 31st October to our government in the absence of a new plan for Brexit? Is the Labour-led no-deal bill worthless?

[G-Unit]

Is stopping us leaving the EU more important than upholding democracy? It seems that for many of our MP's it is.

[John]

I can’t wait for the government to bring a No Confidence motion on itself, how bloody hilarious that will be.

Needs must as they say Vertigo. I think a General Election is inevitable now and I have no doubt every legal eagle and adviser in government is working on how to trigger it asap.

[John]

What can prevent the EU from denying any extension after 31st October to our government in the absence of a new plan for Brexit? Is the Labour-led no-deal bill worthless?

A good point Misty, the EU can end this immediately by refusing any further extension beyond the 31st October, this would  result in a No-Deal-Brexit by default. Maybe the EU will take the lead now?

[barrier]

A good point Misty, the EU can end this immediately by refusing any further extension beyond the 31st October, this would  result in a No-Deal-Brexit by default. Maybe the EU will take the lead now?

There is a report in the mail saying as much,hard to tell what is happening at the moment.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7433687/Europe-REJECT-Brexit-extension-despite-efforts-Remainers.html


Europe may still REJECT Britain's bid for a new Brexit extension - because it wouldn't 'solve the problem', French minister warns
French European minister said even a six-month extension wouldn't help Britain
Amelie de Montchalin said a delay 'without changing anything' was futile
French foreign minister Jean-Yves Le Drian added that No Deal was most likely
It comes as Remainers are seeking to block a No Deal Brexit on October 31

[Venturi Swirl]

A good point Misty, the EU can end this immediately by refusing any further extension beyond the 31st October, this would  result in a No-Deal-Brexit by default. Maybe the EU will take the lead now?

Perhaps that’s what Boris is banking on.  Then we can all blame the EU for a No Deal Brexit, and Boris will come out of it smelling of roses and win the election with a landslide.  But will the EU REALLY want to solve Boris’s  problems so easily?  Hmmmmm....

[barrier]

Perhaps that’s what Boris is banking on.  Then we can all blame the EU for a No Deal Brexit, and Boris will come out of it smelling of roses and win the election with a landslide.  But will the EU REALLY want to solve Boris’s  problems so easily?  Hmmmmm....

Would you want some one in your club who doesn't want to be there? if a no deal harms the uk financially I don't expect the eu to bail them.

[Venturi Swirl]

Would you want some one in your club who doesn't want to be there? if a no deal harms the uk financially I don't expect the eu to bail them.

Except they’ve already given us one extension, or is it two?

[barrier]

Except they’ve already given us one extension, or is it two?

They like kicking cans down the road also.

[Venturi Swirl]

They like kicking cans down the road also.

So then they are unlikely to deny us an extension. 

[John]

It appears that matters are going from bad to worse now.  Boris says that he would rather be found dead in a ditch than ask for another extension while ousted Tory Dominic Grieve threatens Boris will be imprisoned if he ignores the new anti 'No-Deal-Brexit' Bill after it receives the Queen's assent on Monday.

[barrier]

So then they are unlikely to deny us an extension.

Not in their interest to.

[John]

Tory Party surges ahead of Labour as brexiteers get behind Boris.