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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Kevin Craigie and the Joint enterprise murder of Kenneth Rothwell in 1990. => Topic started by: Admin on June 14, 2012, 12:34:56 AM
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Kevin Craigie was convicted in 1991 of the Joint Enterprise murder of Kenneth Rothwell in his home in London. His co accused was a Mark Fuller. Craigie went on to serve a 13 year sentence but Fuller only served 10 years. Fuller later admitted to clubbing Mr Rothwell over the head with a piece of wood while Craigie for his part says that he tried to intervene and was accidentally hit by Fuller.
Craigie admits that Mr Rothwell was still alive and breathing after the attack but he and Fuller failed to provide any assistance to the victim who later died of his injuries. Craigie and Fuller then set about ransacking the property and stole several items from the house. They also stole Mr Rothwell's car and were later picked up by police driving the wrong way up a one-way street in London.
In recent years Craigie has been involved with the Citizens Advice Bureau rising to the post of Deputy Manager. He has also been involved with the Justice on Appeal Group and claimed to be the Managing Director while Darren Bolger was registered as a Director.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/darren-bolger/31/1b9/564
Darren Thomas Bolger, a 41 year old male from SW19, was found to have taken amounts of money prior to starting building works such as residential extensions and loft conversions under the name of several different companies including Building Matters London Ltd. Once he had obtained money from the home owners he would then leave the works unfinished and only return to collect his tools.
Thanks to the diligent work by officers from Hammersmith and Fulham led by DC Angela Mills and DS Richard Gilbert, Bolger received a three year custodial sentence at Norwich Crown Court due to one of the victims being a QC who occasionally sat in London Court. The trial was scheduled for three weeks but actually ran for four months. Witnesses were flown in from America and three defence witnesses were arrested for failing to answer summonses.
http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/node/4644
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Builder-found-guilty-of-defrauding-local-residents/1400008180757/1257246745756
After Bolger's conviction for fraud in April 2012, Craigie took over running the Justice on Appeal group.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/kevin-craigie/15/a26/480
We have been informed by individuals named as Trustees by Craigie on the Charity Commission return for this group that they were neither aware of this, had never signed any documentation in relation to this nor had they ever had any meetings with their fellow Trustees.
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http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/kevin-craigie/15/a26/480
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The O'Connell Monument In Photos dot Org
Jun 12, 2009 ... Kevin Craigie says: July 4, 2010 at 10:55 am. Makes me proud to be an O
Connell, even though they put me up for adoption in 1969 to avoid ...
http://inphotos.org/2009/06/12/the-oconnell-monument/
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Played himself!Hurt a lot of people with his gameplay though! UNFORGIVABLE
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I know this sounds petty and revengeful (but it's not, it's for the right reasons) but is there a way to warn all these groups and the people he's telling he's representing that he's a liar and he will do nothing to help them because they don't deserve him and they'd be better off using other channels and avenue who will do as they say.
They could even put their cases on here, the majority of people on here are sensible and could give the people who need it some constructive help and support.
I don't know enough to help people on my own and having been 'had' by him as it were, I'm now in a position where i don't know how else I can help people or tell them where to turn to, they don't deserve anymore rubbish.
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Joanne,theoretically it sounds good.In the past several people have done their hardest to warn groups.What has happened ,is that where they may have then distanced themselves they remain friend with friends of the troll! Mind boggling isn't it.There are several people that have challenged the trolls only to then be treated to an accolade of abuse and have the MOJ they support bludgeoned and ripped apart,albeit it these incidents,not with a wooden instrument.The only thing akin to a wooden instrument is the nose of the instigator! SAD! Fortunately this forum has not allowed itself to be overtaken by those that wreak havoc ,hurting and damaging people and the MOJ they support.
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has anyone read kevins police interview? its very telling if you ask me. he says he thumped the guys chest to get his heart started but then says the guy was alive when mark fuller and him robbed the victim of his car 8-)(--)
why did kevin have the victims blood on him? was it really the stair case wooden spindle that was used as the murder weapon? wouldnt a piece of wood like this break? 8-)(--) i think mark fuller needs to be spoken to thats where some of the answers lie.
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where is the transcript of his police interview 8-)(--) i read it on here the other night 8-)(--)
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http://kevincraigie.webs.com/apps/members/
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
is kevin cragie trying to get his conviction over turned on a technicality then. is kevin another adrian prout? he was there when this man was murdered. he did nothing to stop his co-defendent from murdering this man and by kevin telling the police when he was interviewed, he kicked the body to see if it moved, it suggests hes guilty and was rightfully found so by a jury.
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
is kevin cragie trying to get his conviction over turned on a technicality then. is kevin another adrian prout? he was there when this man was murdered. he did nothing to stop his co-defendent from murdering this man and by kevin telling the police when he was interviewed, he kicked the body to see if it moved, it suggests hes guilty and was rightfully found so by a jury.
did kevin cragie manipulate mark fuller? is that why he blamed fuller for everything and tried to play down his part. does anyone think kevin cragie was a lot more involved in all this?
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The O'Connell Monument In Photos dot Org
Jun 12, 2009 ... Kevin Craigie says: July 4, 2010 at 10:55 am. Makes me proud to be an O
Connell, even though they put me up for adoption in 1969 to avoid ...
http://inphotos.org/2009/06/12/the-oconnell-monument/
So what you are saying is that he is really Kevin O'Connell? We do know that his mother was only 14 when he was born.
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http://kevincraigie.webs.com/apps/members/
I see there are two members. That will be the site creator Karen Torley and Kevin Craigie.
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http://kevincraigie.webs.com/apps/members/
I see there are two members. That will be the site creator Karen Torley and Kevin Craigie.
why does the site creator say she is 13 years old?
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
is kevin cragie trying to get his conviction over turned on a technicality then. is kevin another adrian prout? he was there when this man was murdered. he did nothing to stop his co-defendent from murdering this man and by kevin telling the police when he was interviewed, he kicked the body to see if it moved, it suggests hes guilty and was rightfully found so by a jury.
did kevin cragie manipulate mark fuller? is that why he blamed fuller for everything and tried to play down his part. does anyone think kevin cragie was a lot more involved in all this?
Craigie was 20 at the time while Fuller was only 18 but Fuller appears to be the more aggressive of the two. It is interesting to note that Fuller served only 10 years for this horrendous murder while Craigie served 13.
Is that all a human life is worth??? 10 years??
I also understand from Craigie that Fuller has been given a new identity. It just makes one wonder how many killers are walking around out there with secret identities?
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http://kevincraigie.webs.com/apps/members/
I see there are two members. That will be the site creator Karen Torley and Kevin Craigie.
why does the site creator say she is 13 years old?
does anyone have mark fullers police interview? i wonder if he backs up what kevin says to the police or whether he gives a different version? im sure ive read somewhere that someone has found fuller but that he goes by a different name now. i cant seem to find the link 8-)(--)
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
is kevin cragie trying to get his conviction over turned on a technicality then. is kevin another adrian prout? he was there when this man was murdered. he did nothing to stop his co-defendent from murdering this man and by kevin telling the police when he was interviewed, he kicked the body to see if it moved, it suggests hes guilty and was rightfully found so by a jury.
did kevin cragie manipulate mark fuller? is that why he blamed fuller for everything and tried to play down his part. does anyone think kevin cragie was a lot more involved in all this?
Craigie was 20 at the time while Fuller was only 18 but Fuller appears to be the more aggressive of the two. It is interesting to note that Fuller served only 10 years for this horrendous murder while Craigie served 13.
Is that all a human life is worth??? 10 years??
why would kevin serve longer than mark fuller? that doesnt make any sense.
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I was going to ask that, unless he had time added for being naughty or something in prison.
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http://kevincraigie.webs.com/apps/members/
I see there are two members. That will be the site creator Karen Torley and Kevin Craigie.
why does the site creator say she is 13 years old?
does anyone have mark fullers police interview? i wonder if he backs up what kevin says to the police or whether he gives a different version? im sure ive read somewhere that someone has found fuller but that he goes by a different name now. i cant seem to find the link 8-)(--)
Yes, the police interview was put up on the form by its creator, Karen Torley. Kevin didn't post it on here for obvious reasons.
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
is kevin cragie trying to get his conviction over turned on a technicality then. is kevin another adrian prout? he was there when this man was murdered. he did nothing to stop his co-defendent from murdering this man and by kevin telling the police when he was interviewed, he kicked the body to see if it moved, it suggests hes guilty and was rightfully found so by a jury.
did kevin cragie manipulate mark fuller? is that why he blamed fuller for everything and tried to play down his part. does anyone think kevin cragie was a lot more involved in all this?
Craigie was 20 at the time while Fuller was only 18 but Fuller appears to be the more aggressive of the two. It is interesting to note that Fuller served only 10 years for this horrendous murder while Craigie served 13.
Is that all a human life is worth??? 10 years??
why would kevin serve longer than mark fuller? that doesnt make any sense.
Because he went oh hunger strike and wouldn't admit his guilt. Fuller admitted his part from the outset and so was fast tracked to release.
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
is kevin cragie trying to get his conviction over turned on a technicality then. is kevin another adrian prout? he was there when this man was murdered. he did nothing to stop his co-defendent from murdering this man and by kevin telling the police when he was interviewed, he kicked the body to see if it moved, it suggests hes guilty and was rightfully found so by a jury.
did kevin cragie manipulate mark fuller? is that why he blamed fuller for everything and tried to play down his part. does anyone think kevin cragie was a lot more involved in all this?
Craigie was 20 at the time while Fuller was only 18 but Fuller appears to be the more aggressive of the two. It is interesting to note that Fuller served only 10 years for this horrendous murder while Craigie served 13.
Is that all a human life is worth??? 10 years??
why would kevin serve longer than mark fuller? that doesnt make any sense.
Because he went oh hunger strike and wouldn't admit his guilt. Fuller admitted his part from the outset and so was fast tracked to release.
so really then by claiming he is a miscarriage of justice, hes reverted back to his old ways and is once again in denial?
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http://kevincraigie.webs.com/apps/members/
I see there are two members. That will be the site creator Karen Torley and Kevin Craigie.
why does the site creator say she is 13 years old?
does anyone have mark fullers police interview? i wonder if he backs up what kevin says to the police or whether he gives a different version? im sure ive read somewhere that someone has found fuller but that he goes by a different name now. i cant seem to find the link 8-)(--)
Yes, the police interview was put up on the form by its creator, Karen Torley. Kevin didn't post it on here for obvious reasons.
From what I have read this was all about gay male sex. Fuller went with that guy Rothwell to his home for sex while Craigie followed quiestly behind unknown to the victim. Does anyone thing that this was a MO and it was their intention to rob the guy all along?
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
is kevin cragie trying to get his conviction over turned on a technicality then. is kevin another adrian prout? he was there when this man was murdered. he did nothing to stop his co-defendent from murdering this man and by kevin telling the police when he was interviewed, he kicked the body to see if it moved, it suggests hes guilty and was rightfully found so by a jury.
did kevin cragie manipulate mark fuller? is that why he blamed fuller for everything and tried to play down his part. does anyone think kevin cragie was a lot more involved in all this?
Craigie was 20 at the time while Fuller was only 18 but Fuller appears to be the more aggressive of the two. It is interesting to note that Fuller served only 10 years for this horrendous murder while Craigie served 13.
Is that all a human life is worth??? 10 years??
why would kevin serve longer than mark fuller? that doesnt make any sense.
Because he went oh hunger strike and wouldn't admit his guilt. Fuller admitted his part from the outset and so was fast tracked to release.
didnt kevin post as jack the other day and said he had hung himself? does kevin do these things for attention?
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
is kevin cragie trying to get his conviction over turned on a technicality then. is kevin another adrian prout? he was there when this man was murdered. he did nothing to stop his co-defendent from murdering this man and by kevin telling the police when he was interviewed, he kicked the body to see if it moved, it suggests hes guilty and was rightfully found so by a jury.
did kevin cragie manipulate mark fuller? is that why he blamed fuller for everything and tried to play down his part. does anyone think kevin cragie was a lot more involved in all this?
Craigie was 20 at the time while Fuller was only 18 but Fuller appears to be the more aggressive of the two. It is interesting to note that Fuller served only 10 years for this horrendous murder while Craigie served 13.
Is that all a human life is worth??? 10 years??
why would kevin serve longer than mark fuller? that doesnt make any sense.
Because he went oh hunger strike and wouldn't admit his guilt. Fuller admitted his part from the outset and so was fast tracked to release.
didnt kevin post as jack the other day and said he had hung himself? does kevin do these things for attention?
8-)(--) so when kevin is feeling guilty he threatens himself with harm? hunger strikes, hanging 8-)(--)
so kevin could be feeling riddled with guilt but rather than admit to the guilt he is feeling he prefers to blame others 8-)(--)
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http://kevincraigie.webs.com/apps/members/
I see there are two members. That will be the site creator Karen Torley and Kevin Craigie.
why does the site creator say she is 13 years old?
does anyone have mark fullers police interview? i wonder if he backs up what kevin says to the police or whether he gives a different version? im sure ive read somewhere that someone has found fuller but that he goes by a different name now. i cant seem to find the link 8-)(--)
Yes, the police interview was put up on the form by its creator, Karen Torley. Kevin didn't post it on here for obvious reasons.
From what I have read this was all about gay male sex. Fuller went with that guy Rothwell to his home for sex while Craigie followed quiestly behind unknown to the victim. Does anyone thing that this was a MO and it was their intention to rob the guy all along?
by all accounts kevin and mark fuller had burgled men in the past, same mo, this was the first time they murdered. Or had either of them done it before?
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No I don't think so.
i think he likes the limelight.
If you ever read the draft of the book he's writing, he has a tendancy to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and always blames everyone else. He then goes out of the way to 'prove' he wasn't to blame and then starts with the threats when people rumble him and tell him it wasn't other people to blame.
If he was guilty and remorseful he'd have admitted his guilt and done everything in his pwer to make things right, not go on hunger strike to protest against the system.
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No I don't think so.
i think he likes the limelight.
If you ever read the draft of the book he's writing, he has a tendancy to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and always blames everyone else. He then goes out of the way to 'prove' he wasn't to blame and then starts with the threats when people rumble him and tell him it wasn't other people to blame.
If he was guilty and remorseful he'd have admitted his guilt and done everything in his pwer to make things right, not go on hunger strike to protest against the system.
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time is just another excuse. @)(++(* He puts himself in these situations.
KC has clearly chosen his victims, that being vulnerable women or men. He gets off on what he does and blaming others is just his way of off loading his vile and unforgiveable crimes.
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This is just a suggestion but we could post all the relevent documentation available, IE stmnt from K.C. medical report, probation officers report, just a suggestion. 8-)(--)
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No I don't think so.
i think he likes the limelight.
If you ever read the draft of the book he's writing, he has a tendancy to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and always blames everyone else. He then goes out of the way to 'prove' he wasn't to blame and then starts with the threats when people rumble him and tell him it wasn't other people to blame.
If he was guilty and remorseful he'd have admitted his guilt and done everything in his pwer to make things right, not go on hunger strike to protest against the system.
KC hasn't proved anything because he cannot! He is full of hot air. All he does is attempt to play the victim but no one listens to him. Then he ends up with women out for revenge. He has well and truly screwed himself and his partner in crime, Karen Torley aka troll Janet/Con etc etc etc, has done the same. @)(++(* 8@??)( 8((()*/
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I agree Peteats, I was trying to be diplomatic! @)(++(*
Kevin likes the upperhand.
Absolutely agree Troll Patrol.
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
is kevin cragie trying to get his conviction over turned on a technicality then. is kevin another adrian prout? he was there when this man was murdered. he did nothing to stop his co-defendent from murdering this man and by kevin telling the police when he was interviewed, he kicked the body to see if it moved, it suggests hes guilty and was rightfully found so by a jury.
did kevin cragie manipulate mark fuller? is that why he blamed fuller for everything and tried to play down his part. does anyone think kevin cragie was a lot more involved in all this?
Craigie was 20 at the time while Fuller was only 18 but Fuller appears to be the more aggressive of the two. It is interesting to note that Fuller served only 10 years for this horrendous murder while Craigie served 13.
Is that all a human life is worth??? 10 years??
why would kevin serve longer than mark fuller? that doesnt make any sense.
Because he went oh hunger strike and wouldn't admit his guilt. Fuller admitted his part from the outset and so was fast tracked to release.
didnt kevin post as jack the other day and said he had hung himself? does kevin do these things for attention?
8-)(--) so when kevin is feeling guilty he threatens himself with harm? hunger strikes, hanging 8-)(--)
so kevin could be feeling riddled with guilt but rather than admit to the guilt he is feeling he prefers to blame others 8-)(--)
Classic example of a man with no remorse 8()(((@#
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I for one am not convinced he was on hunger strike, news like this travels like the bush telegraph in prison. It is my belief as the Doctors report Suggests, he was trying to go down the diminished responsibility road. 8-)(--)
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so really then by claiming he is a miscarriage of justice, hes reverted back to his old ways and is once again in denial?
I don't think Kevin has ever admitted to being a murderer. His position is that he was called into the house by Fuller but in another document he claims that he saw Fuller hitting Rothwell with a stair spindle. So which version is the truth I wonder because he cannot have it both ways.
He was either outside when the attack took place or he wasn't??
Something else, Rothwell was in his dressing gown when he was murdered so the question is what provoked Fuller to do what he did. Did the victim find Fuller rifling his drawers? Had something happened which Fuller hadn't counted on? Whatever it was, it led to Rothwell being clubbed to death.
Fuller and Craigie also had the presence of mind to attempt to make it look like a burglary that had gone wrong. They stole several items but didn't trash the place. They also stole Rothwell's car, the very vehicle Craigie was found in.
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I for one am not convinced he was on hunger strike, news like this travels like the bush telegraph in prison. It is my belief as the Doctors report Suggests, he was trying to go down the diminished responsibility road. 8-)(--)
Karen Torley has used her friends from across the UK to troll various forums, this one included. They have been making copies of everything to send to a lawyer for KC. The problem with that is, attacks haven't been made but KT has admitted to these vicious acts. 8(0(*
Human rights campaigner, I think not. More a like a disgrace to the human race.
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His stmnt says he was in a room downstairs and Rothwell mistook him for Fuller and he nodded 8-)(--) 8-)(--). So Rothwell was alive and well at this point. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) so from his own admission Rothwell was alive and well. Then when he went upstairs he was on the floor, sounds like silent movies to me.
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They can troll the net and send what they like to whom they like @)(++(* face bothered NOOOOOOOO.
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Unfortunately I listened to him and his spiel.
Infact it's become a laughing joke when I see my Dad for half an hour in the pub on sundays- Any nutters lately? @)(++(*
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No I don't think so.
i think he likes the limelight.
If you ever read the draft of the book he's writing, he has a tendancy to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and always blames everyone else. He then goes out of the way to 'prove' he wasn't to blame and then starts with the threats when people rumble him and tell him it wasn't other people to blame.
If he was guilty and remorseful he'd have admitted his guilt and done everything in his pwer to make things right, not go on hunger strike to protest against the system.
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time is just another excuse. @)(++(* He puts himself in these situations.
KC has clearly chosen his victims, that being vulnerable women or men. He gets off on what he does and blaming others is just his way of off loading his vile and unforgiveable crimes.
It is clear that he and Fuller had set up this sting. They were supposed to be back to the hostel where they were staying by 10.15pm I understand so by getting on the tube with Rothwell and travelling to his home they effectively locked themselves out of the hostel.
Craigie followed Fuller and Rothwell at a safe distance when walking and got into a carriage behind them on the London Underground. For some reason Craigie did not want to be seen by Kenneth Rothwell. When they got to Rothwell's home Craigie waited outside according to his statement and until beckoned in by Fuller. I wonder did this happen while Rothwell was in the shower?
Could Rothwell have come out of the bathroom to find himself being confronted by the two of them?
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I think I read that they (Fuller and Craigie) thought if Mr Rothwell saw them both, he might think he was being set up to be attacked which is why Fuller 'arranged' to set things in motion, Craigie got on the tube in the next carriage to avoid being seen and followed behind, so I think the bathroom light might have been signal for Craigie to enter.
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I for one am not convinced he was on hunger strike, news like this travels like the bush telegraph in prison. It is my belief as the Doctors report Suggests, he was trying to go down the diminished responsibility road. 8-)(--)
He told me he was at death's door...only a matter of hours to live and I have no reason to disbelieve him. It could be a load of bollocks all the same just like his fake IP's.
I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt even now and even after he has been found out attempting to con so many of us. How about it Kevin?
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I think I read that they (Fuller and Craigie) thought if Mr Rothwell saw them both, he might think he was being set up to be attacked which is why Fuller 'arranged' to set things in motion, Craigie got on the tube in the next carriage to avoid being seen and followed behind, so I think the bathroom light might have been signal for Craigie to enter.
thats interesting. joanne have you read this from original court documents or are these kevins versions of events?
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I think I read that they (Fuller and Craigie) thought if Mr Rothwell saw them both, he might think he was being set up to be attacked which is why Fuller 'arranged' to set things in motion, Craigie got on the tube in the next carriage to avoid being seen and followed behind, so I think the bathroom light might have been signal for Craigie to enter.
if what you are saying is true joanne than this appears to have been pre-medidated.
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I have yes, thats the impression i got about the signal to go in.
Kevin maintains his innocence basically and says Fuller was a bad driver! Like that mattered after what they'd done.
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Fuller was going back to Mr Rothwells with the intention of having sex with him and then robbing him when he was in the shower.
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so there could afterall be some truth in the following
'being like television idiot Frank Spencer' http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/CAB-made-me-sound-like-Frank-Spencer-.htm
though more sinister
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[35:11] Whoso desires honour, then let him know that all honour belongs to Allah. Unto Him ascend good words, and righteous work does He exalt. And those who plot evils — for them is a severe punishment; and the plotting of such will perish.
[35:11] جو بھی عزت کا خواہاں ہے تو اللہ ہی کے تصرّف میں سب عزت ہے۔ اُسی کی طرف پاک کلمہ بلند ہوتا ہے اور اسے نیک عمل بلندی کی طرف لے جاتا ہے اور وہ لوگ جو بُری تدبیریں کرتے ہیں اُن کے لئے سخت عذاب ہے اور اُن کا مکر ضرور اَکارت جائے گا۔
[35:12] And Allah created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then He made you pairs. And no female conceives, nor does she bring forth a child without His knowledge. And no one whose life is prolonged has his life prolonged, nor is anything diminished of his life, but it is recorded in a Book. That surely is easy for Allah.
[35:12] اور اللہ نے تمہیں مٹی سے پیدا کیا۔ پھر نطفے سے پھر تمہیں جوڑے بنایا۔ اور کوئی مادہ حاملہ نہیں ہوتی اور نہ ہی وہ بچہ جنتی ہے مگر اس کے علم کے مطابق۔ اور کوئی معمّر (انسان) بڑی عمر نہیں پاتا اور نہ اس کی عمر سے کچھ کم کیا جاتا ہے مگر وہ (ایک) کتاب میں موجود ہے۔ یقیناً یہ (بات) اللہ پر آسان ہے۔
[35:13] And the two seas are not alike: this one palatable, sweet and pleasant to drink, and the other, salt and bitter. And from each you eat fresh meat, and take forth ornaments which you wear. And thou seest the ships therein ploughing the waves that you may seek of His bounty, and that you may be grateful.
[35:13] اور دو سمندر ایک ہی جیسے نہیں ہو سکتے۔ یہ خوب میٹھے پانی والا ہے۔ اس کا پینا خوش ذائقہ اور خوشگوار ہے اور یہ سخت نمکین (اور) کھارا ہے اور تم سبھی سے تازہ گوشت کھاتے ہو اور زینت کے وہ سامان نکالتے ہو جنہیں تم پہنتے ہو۔ اور تُو اس میں کشتیوں کو دیکھے گا کہ وہ (پانی کو) پھاڑتے ہوئے چلتی ہیں (یہ نظام اس لئے ہے) تاکہ تم اس کے فضل میں سے کچھ تلاش کرو اور تاکہ تم شکر ادا کرو۔
[35:14] He merges the night into the day, and He merges the day into the night. And He has pressed into service the sun and the moon; each one runs its course to an appointed term. Such is Allah, your Lord; His is the kingdom, and those whom you call upon beside Allah own not even a whit.
[35:14] وہ رات کو دن میں داخل کرتا ہے اور دن کو رات میں داخل کرتا ہے اور اس نے سورج اور چاند کو مسخر کیا ہے۔ ہر ایک اپنے مقررہ وقت کی طرف چل رہا ہے۔ یہ ہے اللہ، تمہارا ربّ۔ اُسی کی بادشاہت ہے اور جن لوگوں کو تم اس کے سوا پکارتے ہو وہ کھجور کی گٹھلی کی جِھلّی کے بھی مالک نہیں۔
[35:15] If you call on them, they will not hear your call; and even if they heard it, they could not answer you. And on the Day of Resurrection they will deny your having associated them with God. And none can inform thee like the One Who is All-Aware.
[35:15] اگر تم انہیں پکارو تو وہ تمہاری پکار نہیں سنیں گے اور اگر سن بھی لیں تو تمہیں جواب نہیں دیں گے اور قیامت کے دن تمہارے شریک ٹھہرانے کا انکار کر دیں گے۔ اور تجھے ایک عظیم خبر دینے والے کی طرح کوئی اور آگاہ نہیں کر سکتا۔
[35:16] O ye men, it is you that stand in need of Allah, but Allah is He Who is Self-Sufficent, the Praiseworthy.
[35:16] اے لوگو! تم ہی ہو جو اللہ کے محتاج ہو اور اللہ ہے جو غنی (اور) ہر تعریف کا مالک ہے۔
[35:17] If He please, He could destroy you, and bring a new creation instead.
[35:17] اگر وہ چاہے تو تمہیں لے جاوے اور ایک نئی مخلوق لے آوے۔
[35:18] And that is not difficult for Allah.
[35:18] اور یہ اللہ پر ہرگز مشکل نہیں۔
[35:19] And no burdened soul can bear the burden of another; and if a heavily laden soul call another to bear its load, naught of it shall be carried by the other, even though he be a kinsman. Thou canst warn only those who fear their Lord in secret and observe Prayer. And whoso purifies himself, purifies himself only to his own advantage; and to Allah shall be the return.
[35:19] اور کوئی بوجھ اٹھانے والی (جان) کسی دوسری کا بوجھ نہیں اٹھائے گی اور اگر کوئی بوجھ سے لدی ہوئی اپنے بوجھ کی طرف بلائے گی تو اس (کے بوجھ میں) سے کچھ بھی نہ اٹھایا جائے گا خواہ وہ قریبی ہی کیوں نہ ہو۔ تُو صرف ان لوگوں کو ڈرا سکتا ہے جو اپنے ربّ سے اس کے غیب میں ہونے کے باوجود ترساں رہتے ہیں اور نماز کو قائم کرتے ہیں۔ اور جو بھی پاکیزگی اختیار کرے تو اپنے ہی نفس کی خاطر پاکیزگی اختیار کرتا ہے اور اللہ کی طرف ہی آخری ٹھکانا ہے۔
[35:20] And the blind and the seeing are not alike,
[35:20] اور اندھا اور بِینا ایک جیسے نہیں ہوتے۔
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A lot had changed since those days. dad had died in 1994. I had been released after thirteen horrendous years, on a “Licence” in 2003. The following week I was appointed Deputy Manager of the Citizens Advice Bureau.
That is from an insider times report dated January 2011. The article in the paper is from 2009, so the dates don't really add up much or have a got it wrong?
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Is that your answer Mozilla (Kevin)? 8(0(*
I didn't know you had studied Arabic amongst everything else?
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John I don't believe you said that, I thought the same.
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Fuller was going back to Mr Rothwells with the intention of having sex with him and then robbing him when he was in the shower.
After reading all this it will be interesting to see if Karen Torley and all her 'friends' join Craigie's new website and openly help promote him as a miscarriage of justice.
I'm looking forward to watching this!
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A lot had changed since those days. dad had died in 1994. I had been released after thirteen horrendous years, on a “Licence” in 2003. The following week I was appointed Deputy Manager of the Citizens Advice Bureau.
That is from an insider times report dated January 2011. The article in the paper is from 2009, so the dates don't really add up much or have a got it wrong?
So lets see Joanne, he is saying he went from being in prison to being a deputy manager of a Citizens Advice Bureau all in the space of a week>?? Unbelievable, the guys abilities are limitless! 8)--))
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John I don't believe you said that, I thought the same.
Yes its Kevin. 100%
Now CAN I ASK YOU ALL TO BE NICE NICE NICE !!!!!!
You cannot expect someone to post about their case if you attack them so can we please give him a chance to explain. After all, HE WAS THERE!
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This bloke's amazing, I think even Bill Gates should start to be worried @)(++(* or has he got aspirations to be bigger than that!! 8-)(--)
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Maybe Admin will remove his ramblings. He's only doing it because he doesn't want people to read the truth about him.
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I want to hear what he has to say for himself. Everyone deserves a chance don't they folks? 8((()*/
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David, I agree with the first bit, I'm dubious about the second bit but I'm willing to try.
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Just to let everyone know. The idiot who is posting spam is KEVIN CRAIGIE.
If you don't stop that immediately Kevin I will post your contact details.
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Just to let everyone know. The idiot who is posting spam is KEVIN CRAIGIE.
If you don't stop that immediately Kevin I will post your contact details.
Is the guy off his trolley completely or what? We have given him the chance to say his piece but he choses to hide and cause trouble. If he doesn't act his age soon we can only come to one conclusion. 8(8-))
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Just to let everyone know. The idiot who is posting spam is KEVIN CRAIGIE.
If you don't stop that immediately Kevin I will post your contact details.
does anyone else think that the joint enterprise law on this occassion was used in the way it was intended?
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Just to let everyone know. The idiot who is posting spam is KEVIN CRAIGIE.
If you don't stop that immediately Kevin I will post your contact details.
does anyone else think that the joint enterprise law on this occassion was used in the way it was intended?
Yes.
Has he found God now?
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Just to let everyone know. The idiot who is posting spam is KEVIN CRAIGIE.
If you don't stop that immediately Kevin I will post your contact details.
does anyone else think that the joint enterprise law on this occassion was used in the way it was intended?
Yes.
Has he found God now?
He is trying to emulate Jesus who rose from the dead after 3 days. Didn't he hang himself on Tuesday?
He's trying to upset the forum and control the conversation, a typical psychopathical trait.
Joanne, I thought your story about working for NASA for 9 years was a CRACKER!!! @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Just to let everyone know. The idiot who is posting spam is KEVIN CRAIGIE.
If you don't stop that immediately Kevin I will post your contact details.
does anyone else think that the joint enterprise law on this occassion was used in the way it was intended?
Yes.
Has he found God now?
He's trying to upset the forum and control the conversation.
has he had another knock back from his lawyer? does he even have legal aid?
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Don't be silly- they act for free for him, he can even sweet talk them, he's got a new one to help him too Kyati, I didn't quite catch her surname. Two for the price of one, oh no 2 free @)(++(*
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If he keep this up I will have a word with Vanda Nicoletti at the Probation office on Monday.
why wait !!!! they have an out of hours probation officer on duty ?{)(**
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Just to let everyone know. The idiot who is posting spam is KEVIN CRAIGIE.
If you don't stop that immediately Kevin I will post your contact details.
does anyone else think that the joint enterprise law on this occassion was used in the way it was intended?
Yes.
Has he found God now?
He's trying to upset the forum and control the conversation.
has he had another knock back from his lawyer? does he even have legal aid?
He doesn't have a lawyer as such as there is no case as such.
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i wonder why he never posted his police interviews on here ? 8-)(--)
so glad they were posted on his website though...and got them before they were edited 8)--))
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Just to let everyone know. The idiot who is posting spam is KEVIN CRAIGIE.
If you don't stop that immediately Kevin I will post your contact details.
does anyone else think that the joint enterprise law on this occassion was used in the way it was intended?
Yes.
Has he found God now?
He's trying to upset the forum and control the conversation.
has he had another knock back from his lawyer? does he even have legal aid?
He doesn't have a lawyer as such as there is no case as such.
before anyone thinks that i am he ......i aint
i thought you said that some geezer hannaford acted for him?
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He doesn't have a lawyer as such as there is no case as such.
before anyone thinks that i am he ......i aint
i thought you said that some geezer hannaford acted for him?
It's a bit complicated Kevin.
Malcolm Hannaford is helping him gratis/pro bono at the moment as Craigie doesn't have legal aid.
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I was given a COMPLETELY different verbal account (from the horses mouth) of events of the fateful night that Mr ROTHWELL met his death RIP; Now I know why, however had sussed him out long ago.........That piercing shrieking laugh he gave after saying he had spent the evening with a female friend, enjoying a drink,ridiculing her before adding,yes alone with me a convicted murderer!! The excitement in his speach was chilling!
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He claims he is Kevin O'Connell the illegitimate grandson given up for adoption.
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Kevin admitted that he went into the pub that evening to get a hold of gay magazines. He says that he wanted to pose nude for gay photographers so that he could save up.
His reasoning was that if he and Fuller did it every day for a month that they would have enough money to get a flat.
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It is also interesting that Mark Fuller knew that Kenneth Rothwell had a car and where it was parked. I wonder had Fuller been there previously??
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It is also interesting that Mark Fuller knew that Kenneth Rothwell had a car and where it was parked. I wonder had Fuller been there previously??
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K.C. Said in his statement that they had done it previously. But this time it was Fullers turn to do the pick up.
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Kevin admitted that he went into the pub that evening to get a hold of gay magazines. He says that he wanted to pose nude for gay photographers so that he could save up.
His reasoning was that if he and Fuller did it every day for a month that they would have enough money to get a flat.
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Nude Pics of Kevin omg, ginger nuts. @)(++(*
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What is concerning is how a Man @)(++(* like this can pore over sensitive case papers. ?8)@)-) People who are fighting there cause. I would stick to the modeling @)(++(* MMMMMM Maybe not. Here Pussy Pussy.
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The O'Connell Monument In Photos dot Org
Jun 12, 2009 ... Kevin Craigie says: July 4, 2010 at 10:55 am. Makes me proud to be an O
Connell, even though they put me up for adoption in 1969 to avoid ...
http://inphotos.org/2009/06/12/the-oconnell-monument/
Oh no @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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As you seem to want to mark my observations tonight using the pseudonym 'Sherlock' then lets see if you can respond to these observations.
According to your pal Mark Fuller, you were the leader of the gang sort of speak and he claims that he was scared of you? He also states that you and him were on the rob and had apparently robbed other men on other occasions. Fuller says he was surprised that you gave a statement to police and was basically calling you a 'grass'
What do you have to say about that Kev?
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It does also appear that your co accused Mark Fuller was extremely remorseful of what he had done and had been prepared to exonerate you in relation to the murder charge although he was insistent that the whole event had certainly started out as a Joint Enterprise. Mark had nothing to gain by spinning a yarn Kevin so why does your own story sound implausible?
Mark says that he and you took it in turns to chat up guys and get then back to their houses where you would rob them yet you have never admitted to this.
Are you ashamed of what you had become Kevin? It isn't too late to repent you know?
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Kevin claims that he never found it easy chatting to strangers .perhaps thats why he isnt chatting now ???
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Kevin claims that he never found it easy chatting to strangers .perhaps thats why he isnt chatting now ???
He would be better advised to post using his own name as his troll list is growing 8(0(*
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Come on Kev, were all broadminded here. Tell us about the Crime, we know it was Gay related, we know you like to prance around in your Boxers on Gay sites, We know you wanted to pose in the nude for a Gay photographer. Come on Kev talk to us. 8**8:/:
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Are you ashamed of what you had became Kevin? It isn't too late to repent you know?
Keeping the company of exposed troll Karen Torley will not help KC. People like troll Karen Torley will only exasperate him. He knows it. He feels empowered by people like her as she feels empowered by him. That is until they are exposed. 8(0(*
Kevin Craigie looks to the words of others to find excuses for his now exposed crimes. He will never feel regret for his past conduct. Remorse does not sit well in the mind of Kevin.
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But he didn't do it, he said so. 8(0(* He has written articles for Inside Time expressing his innocence, have they seen your Statement Kev. 8(0(*
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Craigie why did you accuse me of being homaphobic?
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Perhaps he thought you was a man called Stephen and he meant Homosexual @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Come on Kev, were all broadminded here. Tell us about the Crime, we know it was Gay related, we know you like to prance around in your Boxers on Gay sites, We know you wanted to pose in the nude for a Gay photographer. Come on Kev talk to us. 8**8:/:
does anyone know if he is a straight acting gay man or maybe hes yet to come out of the closet?
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Ha Ha Ha have a job posing nude in the closet @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I am disappointed that Kevin Craigie obviously wants to avoid the issue of his arrest and conviction. He has had a chance to put his case yet again tonight but only wants to cause distractions. It would seem that the truth is a problem for Mr Craigie and contrary to what he would have some people bellieve. 8(8-))
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I have just checked and the Googlebot has been around and picked up all of tonight's comments already. 8@??)(
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This is Kevin's current moto whcih he uses on Craigie's Angels...
(http://i.imgur.com/lcu9l.jpg)
I wonder what Mr Rothwell would think...he and Fuller certainly hung him out! 8(8-))
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This is Kevin's current moto whcih he uses on Craigie's Angels...
(http://i.imgur.com/lcu9l.jpg)
As hypocrital as Karen Torleys then.
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we know that after they had murdered the victim, Mark Fuller got in the car and left kevin to lock up the house. After murdering Mr Rothwell, poor soul, they stuffed his clothes, phone book, swatch watch, cine camera and wallet into bags. does anyone know if the watch had been taken from Mr Rothwells body?
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It is better to live a day as a tiger than a lifetime as a sheep http://atomicboards.com/board.pl?user=gayeurope&board=6305&sid&mode=profile&action=view&who=39091&last=profile&lasta=viewall&fb_source=message
Telling very telling and also extremely worrying. This is again contradicting Kevin Craigies police interview. He is a Tiger but wants others to think he was the sheep in the murder.
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RIP Mr Rothwell
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You all know how DELUDED Kevin is so why would any of you believe anything he says or posts ,he has made 5 or 6 fake profiles of one lady called Lea to poke fun (which it is not) or just be plain nasty .I have seen these profile he has made & they are disgusting,vile & down right nasty.Why do you give him the time to post such crap & how can any of you take anything he says or does to be fact ...disgusting
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now this post links KC to the "other link" ( yes the boxers ) ....so is he still saying it isnt him?
26-06-2010: 26th June 2010 11:01
Kevin Craigie
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Re: British Justice
11/6/2010 Kevin Craigie - nathanielcraigie@hotmail.co.uk
In 1990 I was convicted under Joint Enterprise. The jury twice requested to acquitt me and convict the sole perpetrator. They were instructed that they must convict or acquitt both. On the final day of the circus, the Judge then announced in the jurys abscence that he was seriously considering acquitting both defendants rather than the possibility of the defendant Craigie suffering the consequences of an unjustified conviction. The jury convicted ten to two. They call this justice ?
To this day I continue challenging injustice, and shall do for years to come.
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now this post links KC to the "other link" ( yes the boxers ) ....so is he still saying it isnt him?
26-06-2010: 26th June 2010 11:01
Kevin Craigie
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Re: British Justice
11/6/2010 Kevin Craigie - nathanielcraigie@hotmail.co.uk
In 1990 I was convicted under Joint Enterprise. The jury twice requested to acquitt me and convict the sole perpetrator. They were instructed that they must convict or acquitt both. On the final day of the circus, the Judge then announced in the jurys abscence that he was seriously considering acquitting both defendants rather than the possibility of the defendant Craigie suffering the consequences of an unjustified conviction. The jury convicted ten to two. They call this justice ?
To this day I continue challenging injustice, and shall do for years to come.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1319573&page=2&page=2
page 2 post #29 !!!
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Lea is everything deluded Mr C wants to be, kind, genuine, caring, a good friend-I could go on and on, all Lea does all day every day is charity work and work for other people (and does another member on here) despite being ill, Mr C will not leave her alone, his behaviour is sickening.
Plenty of members on here have given him opportunity (more than once) the right of reply and the chance to air his case, Kevin, if you read this-I know one member of the site has gone up, over and beyond their call of duty to actually stick up for you and verify your story and all you have don'e is to throw it right back in their faces because this is what you do.
You are not doing yourself any favours by keep opening fake accounts to spout rubbish, just be a man and log in under your own name and try and put things 'right' ie answer questions people want answers to and stop acting like a rabid animal.
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KC will never answer ANYONES questions , you see he cant , he claims to be a MOJ..when in fact he is GUILTY AS CHARGED UNDER JOINT ENTERPRIZE ...he WAS there , he DID NOTHING , he then ROBBED the victim...and NOT ONCE, NEVER has he shown any Remorse for his crime ...
He will continue to attack those that stand for everything he is not , making up the profiles to attack and disrupt......HE IS NOT A MOJ, JUST SICK ...OH HE WANTED THE EXPOSURE...BUT NOT TO BE EXPOSED AS A LIAR AGAIN ...whats up Kevin?...TRUTH HURTS DONT IT ...WELL THERE YOU HAVE THE TRUTH, YOU HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN THE TRUTH
Perhaps if you had of been truthful instead of hiding your sordid secrets ,you may have actually got people interested in your case...oh but they would have seen the truth with their own eyes then, wouldnt they? you couldnt have that , so everytime you got in to the situation of being asked, you attacked, ran and played the victim, wasnt it a shame that YOUR VICTIM didnt have the chance to run
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Oh Pandoras box just opened
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Trolls like Peter and Karen yet again armed with their poison chalice 8(0(*
8@??)( but THE TRUTH IS THERE .....you cant run anymore Kevin...Neither can you Discredit THE TRUTH ...
YOU ARE GUILTY OF YOUR CRIMES 8(>((
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YOU ATTACKED A FEMALE ON JENGBA...FOR NO REASON ...WHEN ASKED DETAILS RE YOUR (SO CALLED MOJ) YOU RAN, JUST AS YOU HAVE DONE ON MANY OTHER SITES AND STILL YOU WONT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ....WHY DID YOU NOT TRY TO HELP MR ROTHWELL ? JOINT ENTERPRISE IN THIS CASE IS NOT THE ISSUE ...YOU WERE THERE , EVEN PUNCHING HIS CHEST TO GET HIS HEART GOING IN CASE IT STOPPED .....BUT REFUSED TO HELP THIS DYING MAN .
DID YOU MISLEAD THE CAB WHEN YOU APPLIED FOR YOUR JOB? DID YOU LIE ON YOUR CRB APPLICATION FORM? YOU ARE WORKING WITH VULNABLE PEOPLE ...YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION ...YOU ARE A DANGER TO MEN,WOMAN AND ANIMALS
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Trolls like Peter and Karen yet again armed with their poison chalice 8(0(*
So Mystique, What are your views on the Kevin Craigie case, you must have read ALL the relevent documentation available to pass comment. Like it or not K.C. has now been exposed as a Liar and a cheat. His own admissions in his Police Statement which were obtained before he had chance to alter clearly show he was Guilty. This one statement alone throws doubt on the truthfullness of his articles written in the Inside Time. So Mystique have you seen this document. But you must have you made it @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*.
Like it or not Mr Craigie you will be exposed, why not meet me for a coffee and talk to me. I will of course keep my back to the wall 8**8:/:. Or does the fact that i am not vulnerable not appeal to you.
Again the Ball is in your Court Mr Kevin Craigie. 8(0(*
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I second that AgentA. Even if in a moment of blind fear and panic Kevin you chose to leave a man dying of his injuries,rob him and drive his car as a getaway.If, caught up in the moment of what had happened seeing Fuller (?) battering Mr Rothwell near to death,why when apprehended did you not give a truthful account to the police?
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I very much doubt that you will accept my kind offer though Mr K.C. As i do not fall in to your list of categories.
1- I am not a Female.
2- I am not Vulnerable.
3- I am not Gay.
4- I am in no way scared or intimidated by you.
Well Mr Kevin Craggie Gangster extraordinaire fancy that coffee. ?>)()<
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Man up Kevin,or as they say in your new location Man up Blud!
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He only comes to life after tea time I think! @)(++(*
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i see Kevin is playing his little game ....yes the one Karen Torley taught him to play , who in turn was taught by none other than Willie Beck....its called " HIT AND RUN" ...where you make a post, run then watch the eruption...no eruption here Kevin...
but you have been playing " hit and run" for years Kevin...not just on-line either ....you've played this before , haven't you ? once you had picked your victims....remember... select...hit ,rob and run....you are the lowest of the low, what did these men ever do to you? what did these women ever do?
One day Kevin you will meet your match....your next victim may not be the weak vulnable one that you think they are....and fight back 8((()*/
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Well i seem to remember him bad mouthing and scorning a number of those involved in JE cases and none of those were actually at the scene of the crime, unlike him according to his own admission under interview, how that work then Kevin. 8-)(--)
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i see Kevin is playing his little game ....yes the one Karen Torley taught him to play , who in turn was taught by none other than Willie Beck....its called " HIT AND RUN" ...where you make a post, run then watch the eruption...no eruption here Kevin...
but you have been playing " hit and run" for years Kevin...not just on-line either ....you've played this before , haven't you ? once you had picked your victims....remember... select...hit ,rob and run....you are the lowest of the low, what did these men ever do to you? what did these women ever do?
One day Kevin you will meet your match....your next victim may not be the weak vulnerable one that you think they are....and fight back 8((()*/
It is my experience Sir that such people rarely change their spots just as the proverbial Leopard doesn't lose his.
I believe your observation to be very valid Agent A. A career felon will inevitably continue his or her activities if introduced to computers and the internet. Referring to themselves as 'angel' or 'guardian' is self glorification and shows a deep psychological problem which may go back many years to their capitol offence.
I have spent many years on the bench dealing with these individuals and I get the feeling sometimes that by educating prisoners we are in fact creating a major problem for society.
I would like to know what others think of this conundrum?
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RIP Mr Rothwell
Well said realtruth. All too often is the victim and his family forgotten in all of this. 8@??)(
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Kevin Craigie is guilty of many things...bullying, stalking and his speciality is making fake profiles. I would like to point out there have been many made in my name and others. I have have Leeanne, LeaAnne Leeanne Northern Bird just to name a few. These were always discovered by him, when no one else had seen them. Friends requests were sent me, but I have no log to see just how many. I know for a fact that one disgusting fake account was made on another lady, same style, fat trannies were dubious dresses. This one went far further than the attacks on me though. Mocking murder and attacking an innocent girl.
Does this sound like a man suffering a MOJ? This fake profile is still on Facebook
Interesting past times you have Mr Craigie, try getting a new hobby and maybe some real friends
You cannot possibly have any proof that I have made fake profiles, because I have never had one! The voices in your head are confusing you. Dont listen to them mate, they are nearly as scary as YOU!!!!!
Having read his files I don't see him as a miscarriage of justice in the way he sees himself. He was rightly convicted but I fear he was convicted of the wrong crime given what his co accused has said on record. Kevin was there when Mr Rothwell was assaulted but did nothing to help him. He could have saved him but he chose to save his own miserable skin. Despicable!!
He served 13 years for his crime while killer Fuller got out in 10 for cooperating with the authorities. That to my mind is certainly an injustice of a sort. Maybe Mr Justice K will have thoughts on the sentences??
As far as fake user-names is concerned, that is not a crime in itself Lea. It depends what end result is being obtained by such a deception. There is a possibility that Craigie is in breach of his Licence by such activities, if you are concerned you should get in touch with his probation officer. I can provide you her details if you feel intimidated or threatened by his activities.
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You all know how DELUDED Kevin is so why would any of you believe anything he says or posts ,he has made 5 or 6 fake profiles of one lady called Lea to poke fun (which it is not) or just be plain nasty .I have seen these profile he has made & they are disgusting,vile & down right nasty.Why do you give him the time to post such crap & how can any of you take anything he says or does to be fact ...disgusting
i havent read all that he has posted and i assume most of it has been renoved by the mods but i can see why they are giving him the chance to come clean. very clever mods. 8@??)(
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now this post links KC to the "other link" ( yes the boxers ) ....so is he still saying it isnt him?
26-06-2010: 26th June 2010 11:01
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Re: British Justice
11/6/2010 Kevin Craigie - nathanielcraigie@hotmail.co.uk
In 1990 I was convicted under Joint Enterprise. The jury twice requested to acquitt me and convict the sole perpetrator. They were instructed that they must convict or acquitt both. On the final day of the circus, the Judge then announced in the jurys abscence that he was seriously considering acquitting both defendants rather than the possibility of the defendant Craigie suffering the consequences of an unjustified conviction. The jury convicted ten to two. They call this justice ?
To this day I continue challenging injustice, and shall do for years to come.
I would say the post is his but the photo is a fake.
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now this post links KC to the "other link" ( yes the boxers ) ....so is he still saying it isnt him?
26-06-2010: 26th June 2010 11:01
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Re: British Justice
11/6/2010 Kevin Craigie - nathanielcraigie@hotmail.co.uk
In 1990 I was convicted under Joint Enterprise. The jury twice requested to acquitt me and convict the sole perpetrator. They were instructed that they must convict or acquitt both. On the final day of the circus, the Judge then announced in the jurys abscence that he was seriously considering acquitting both defendants rather than the possibility of the defendant Craigie suffering the consequences of an unjustified conviction. The jury convicted ten to two. They call this justice ?
To this day I continue challenging injustice, and shall do for years to come.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1319573&page=2&page=2
page 2 post #29 !!!
Nice find Agent A.
Kevin Craigie posted this in response...
Old 26-06-2010: 26th June 2010 19:35
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Re: British Justice
"They also use it to prosecute innocent people like myself, and Derick Bentley."
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1319573&page=2&p=26106904#post26106904
My God, he actually considers himself to be innocent now. @)(++(*
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The problem is he has been backed into a corner and like a rat will attack to escape.8(8-))
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http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/member.php?u=480792
And a victim. 8(8-))
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About Kevin.
Committed to assisting innocent people, who like myself have been unjustifiably convicted of a crime they did not and could not have committed. They are convicted due to several factors, predominantly the fact that we have a widespread corrupt and largely unaccountable Criminal Justice System. We always have done, as history establishes. It is only now that people are more educated that we can see this. Such practice has no place in a self proclaimed civilised society.
This is what K.C. says on his Facebook Page. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* I have given him a poke wonder if he will poke me back @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Why do people pretend to be innocent when they are deffo guilty?? I have never undersood this and the Jeremy Bamber case is a classical example.
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He served 13 years for his crime while killer Fuller got out in 10 for cooperating with the authorities. That to my mind is certainly an injustice of a sort. Maybe Mr Justice K will have thoughts on the sentences??
As far as fake user-names is concerned, that is not a crime in itself Lea. It depends what end result is being obtained by such a deception. There is a possibility that Craigie is in breach of his Licence by such activities, if you are concerned you should get in touch with his probation officer. I can provide you her details if you feel intimidated or threatened by his activities.
To answer properly I would have to see all the case files but I do feel in this case that the CPS brought the wrong charges against Mr Craigie given what we now know. One has to remember that Mr Fuller only confessed to having bludgeoned Mr Rothwell some time after the trial and sentencing. Up until that point Mr Craigie had blamed Fuller and Fuller had reciprocated.
It was unfair that Fuller was released some three years prior to Craigie but that was down to Fuller and Craigie. They co conspired to rob and were both culpable after the fact so they jointly suffered the consequences.
Had Kevin Craigie been an upstanding character of some moral fibre he would not have been imprisoned for 13 years.
I rest my case.
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8((()*/ Try asking Kevin Craigie, Julie. Here we have a man who was at the scene of the crime, partook in pillaging his home, stealing his belongings. Have you seen his Police interview ?????. 8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-)))
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I very much doubt that you will accept my kind offer though Mr K.C. As i do not fall in to your list of categories.
1- I am not a Female.
2- I am not Vulnerable.
3- I am not Gay.
4- I am in no way scared or intimidated by you.
Well Mr Kevin Craggie Gangster extraordinaire fancy that coffee. ?>)()<
Have you noticed that he is surrounded by women...even now?
His Probation Officer is female as is his supervisor. God help them!! 8)-)))
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Kevin Craigie is guilty of many things...bullying, stalking and his speciality is making fake profiles. I would like to point out there have been many made in my name and others. I have have Leeanne, LeaAnne Leeanne Northern Bird just to name a few. These were always discovered by him, when no one else had seen them. Friends requests were sent me, but I have no log to see just how many. I know for a fact that one disgusting fake account was made on another lady, same style, fat trannies were dubious dresses. This one went far further than the attacks on me though. Mocking murder and attacking an innocent girl.
Does this sound like a man suffering a MOJ? This fake profile is still on Facebook
Would any of the stuff he's posted under fake profiles on this site contravene licence conditions?
I'll understand if you do not want to answer.
Interesting past times you have Mr Craigie, try getting a new hobby and maybe some real friends
You cannot possibly have any proof that I have made fake profiles, because I have never had one! The voices in your head are confusing you. Dont listen to them mate, they are nearly as scary as YOU!!!!!
Having read his files I don't see him as a miscarriage of justice in the way he sees himself. He was rightly convicted but I fear he was convicted of the wrong crime given what his co accused has said on record. Kevin was there when Mr Rothwell was assaulted but did nothing to help him. He could have saved him but he chose to save his own miserable skin. Despicable!!
He served 13 years for his crime while killer Fuller got out in 10 for cooperating with the authorities. That to my mind is certainly an injustice of a sort. Maybe Mr Justice K will have thoughts on the sentences??
As far as fake user-names is concerned, that is not a crime in itself Lea. It depends what end result is being obtained by such a deception. There is a possibility that Craigie is in breach of his Licence by such activities, if you are concerned you should get in touch with his probation officer. I can provide you her details if you feel intimidated or threatened by his activities.
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I fail to see what you are getting at Justice K, He was charged with JE and found guilty as charged.
JE is laid when those involved jointly embark on a crime, in this case they clearly did. After conviction Fuller seemed to accept his guilt and passed through the system as such, on the other hand Craigie maintained innocence which must have hindered his progress through the system.
Although Fuller in a statement to his Probation Officer took responsibility for the Murder, they were both still jointly involved in the Joint Enterprise, and in English Law it is irrelevant who struck the deadly blow, they were both involved and as such both were guilty of the index offence of Murder.
Having read his Police Statement made at the time he clearly admits being there. He made no attempt to save the Mans life, He did not contact the Police, or even dial 999. He left him to die. So therefore he must be guilty as charged.
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I messed up! I meant to add- do the posts he make on here contravene his licence conditions?
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http://stopstonningnow.com/wpress/2184
"Within each and every one of us in a compassionate, admirable human being."
clearly not in all of us Kevin!!
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He has had ample opportunity to address our concerns but alas K.C. does what K.C. does best, he ignores and seeks sympathy else where. I notice he has been on line today updating his website, I am still awaiting to be approval on this site 8-)(--). @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* I wonder if i will be approved 8**8:/:
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Just sent a message to Kev about being approved.
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http://stopstonningnow.com/wpress/2184
"Within each and every one of us in a compassionate, admirable human being."
clearly not in all of us Kevin!!
Kevin Craigie and partner in crime Janet aka Karen Torley continue their evil trolling without an ounce of remorse. Although exposed they carry on regardless.
Carry on regardless - 8-)(--) new title for an Insidetimes article @)(++(*
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I messed up! I meant to add- do the posts he make on here contravene his licence conditions?
Not as such as he is very careful not to threaten anyone publicly. However, his attempts at deceit could be construed as being somewhat sinister for someone on a Life Licence.
I will have a look into this a bit more for you.
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http://www.rikkibrown.com/2012/05/travolta-sex-claims-new-underpants.html
The judge also said “His major way of relating to others is assaults and threatening actions”. Another way the judge could have put this would have been to simply say “Kenny Richey is Scottish”. Human Rights activist Karen Torley from Cambuslang near Glasgow said “I think the US system in being very vindictive”. No one is buying that. Come on, a Human Rights activist from Cambuslang?, give us a break. 8@??)(
Some people never change and as the old saying goes like attracts alike
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http://www.rikkibrown.com/2012/05/travolta-sex-claims-new-underpants.html
The judge also said “His major way of relating to others is assaults and threatening actions”. Another way the judge could have put this would have been to simply say “Kenny Richey is Scottish”. Human Rights activist Karen Torley from Cambuslang near Glasgow said “I think the US system in being very vindictive”. No one is buying that. Come on, a Human Rights activist from Cambuslang?, give us a break. 8@??)(
Some people never change and as the old saying goes like attracts alike
If you Google his name all you will find is ASSAULT ASSAULT ASSAULT. There is even a claim by his own son Sean that he assaulted him in the USA.
Just look at this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH-xMrxAZy4
Here he pleads guilty to threatening the original trial judge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3vBMoK-Xk4&feature=related
Grandmother-of-six Karen Torley, 48, from Cambuslang, near Glasgow, campaigned for 12 years to have Richey freed and got engaged to him while he was locked up.
Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/scotlandfeatures/4095144/Kenny-has-a-self-destruct-button-he-told-me-hed-never-last-5-years-out-of-prison-says-ex-fiancee-Karen-Torley.html#ixzz1xyxOdgzs
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http://www.rikkibrown.com/2012/05/travolta-sex-claims-new-underpants.html
The judge also said “His major way of relating to others is assaults and threatening actions”. Another way the judge could have put this would have been to simply say “Kenny Richey is Scottish”. Human Rights activist Karen Torley from Cambuslang near Glasgow said “I think the US system in being very vindictive”. No one is buying that. Come on, a Human Rights activist from Cambuslang?, give us a break. 8@??)(
Some people never change and as the old saying goes like attracts alike
If you Google his name all you will find is ASSAULT ASSAULT ASSAULT. There is even a claim by his own son Sean that he assaulted him in the USA.
Just look at this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH-xMrxAZy4
Richie's ex partner and campaigner for justice and human rights activist Karen 'troll' Torley continues to work alongside Kevin Craigie setting up his website even though he has been exposed for his lies.
Wonder what will happen when the rumour mill gets hold of this? 8@??)(
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KC attended this school.Speaks volumes: Brydson, 56, a former soldier from Renfrew, began the abuse in 1979 and left the school in 1991. He admitted 12 counts of assault against nine boys and three girls. Married with children of his own, he attacked the youngsters in his care - who all had behavioural problems - over a nine-year period.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/blunders-mean-teacher-will-not-face-sex-charges-1-662739
Though, no one even with behavioural problems should have been subjected to that!
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People like Karen Torley troll the various moj forums playing her games. She has no feelings for her victims and gets a kick when she plays her game hit and run. 8(8-))
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http://www.rikkibrown.com/2012/05/travolta-sex-claims-new-underpants.html
The judge also said “His major way of relating to others is assaults and threatening actions”. Another way the judge could have put this would have been to simply say “Kenny Richey is Scottish”. Human Rights activist Karen Torley from Cambuslang near Glasgow said “I think the US system in being very vindictive”. No one is buying that. Come on, a Human Rights activist from Cambuslang?, give us a break. 8@??)(
Some people never change and as the old saying goes like attracts alike
If you Google his name all you will find is ASSAULT ASSAULT ASSAULT. There is even a claim by his own son Sean that he assaulted him in the USA.
Just look at this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH-xMrxAZy4
Here he pleads guilty to threatening the original trial judge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3vBMoK-Xk4&feature=related
Grandmother-of-six Karen Torley, 48, from Cambuslang, near Glasgow, campaigned for 12 years to have Richey freed and got engaged to him while he was locked up.
Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/scotlandfeatures/4095144/Kenny-has-a-self-destruct-button-he-told-me-hed-never-last-5-years-out-of-prison-says-ex-fiancee-Karen-Torley.html#ixzz1xyxOdgzs
With a family that size you would think she would want to spend her time nurturing and enjoying her grand-children. Instead she appears to prefer spending all her waking hours with no hopers.
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Read this case and its riveting. Park Lane, Judges, Corruption and then the clue with the Police informer Smith who was later found dead in the Clyde River years later.
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Wonder if KT has designs on getting engaged to another person she assists to exonerate themself KC ? @)(++(* @)(++(* CON TROLL @)(++(*
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Wonder if KT has designs on getting engaged to another person she assists to exonerate themself KC ? @)(++(* @)(++(* CON TROLL @)(++(*
@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* new hat then ???
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some mother's do ave 'em, some women can pick em!
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Charles Hawtrey starred in this didn't he?
Best of Friends (ITV, 1963) had essentially the same writers and production team as Our House. Hawtrey again acted alongside Hylda Baker, but this time playing the role simply of Charles, a clerk in an insurance office situated next door to a café run by Baker. She accompanied him on insurance assignments and protected him when he was feeling put upon by his Uncle Sidney. @)(++(*
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Charles Hawtrey starred in this didn't he?
Best of Friends (ITV, 1963) had essentially the same writers and production team as Our House. Hawtrey again acted alongside Hylda Baker, but this time playing the role simply of Charles, a clerk in an insurance office situated next door to a café run by Baker. She accompanied him on insurance assignments and protected him when he was feeling put upon by his Uncle Sidney. @)(++(*
bit before my time 8**8:/: im going to you tube that 8(0(*
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You'll be the only man @)(++(*
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We could go out for a pint Kevin, i could follow you back to where ever you go and see what transpires @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
I know what to say, ive seen your statement @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Troll Kevin Craigie also writes to women in prison posing as a women himself. Now what name does he do that in? 8-)(--)
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Er is it a French name, no it wasnt Pussy was it, no that was another site. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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je ne comprends pas!! 8)--)) 8)--)) 8)--))
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another ginger rofl albeit a cat
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHjI8MfMxqE
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Ethel @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* rofl
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Kevin will you talk to me 8**8:/: 8**8:/: 8**8:/:
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in the statements doesn't it mention that they cross dressed?
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(http://i.imgur.com/MvFpI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9hped.jpg)
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You couldn't make it up could you? KC did.
A man that by his own admission" will continue challenging injustice, and shall do for years to come."
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You couldn't make it up could you? KC did.
A man that by his own admission" will continue challenging injustice, and shall do for years to come."
with full support from well known human rights campaigner karen torley 8@??)(
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In a letter sent to the Queen last week, Kevin Craigie, who was convicted of murder under joint enterprise legislation in 1991 but released several years ago, asked the monarch for a change in the law, and cited Allden's case.
I am now wondering which Queen he wrote to. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Kevin Craigie is guilty of many things...bullying, stalking and his speciality is making fake profiles. I would like to point out there have been many made in my name and others. I have have Leeanne, LeaAnne Leeanne Northern Bird just to name a few. These were always discovered by him, when no one else had seen them. Friends requests were sent me, but I have no log to see just how many. I know for a fact that one disgusting fake account was made on another lady, same style, fat trannies were dubious dresses. This one went far further than the attacks on me though. Mocking murder and attacking an innocent girl.
Does this sound like a man suffering a MOJ? This fake profile is still on Facebook
Interesting past times you have Mr Craigie, try getting a new hobby and maybe some real friends
You cannot possibly have any proof that I have made fake profiles, because I have never had one! The voices in your head are confusing you. Dont listen to them mate, they are nearly as scary as YOU!!!!!
Ooops wrong post.....
The thing is Leanne, what I can't understand is if you knew all these things about him, why did you continue to be in contact with him for so long and not doing anything about his attacks. Why didn't you report them to facebook, for example.
He attacked me sending out messages to over 2000 people with your name on and you didn't seem all that bothered...?
Why are you only talking out now?
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In a letter sent to the Queen last week, Kevin Craigie, who was convicted of murder under joint enterprise legislation in 1991 but released several years ago, asked the monarch for a change in the law, and cited Allden's case.
I am now wondering which Queen he wrote to. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Thanks for that peteats my pc will now need drying out after I just spat my tea all it. LMFAOFOFLMFHO!
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by KevinCraigie
Friday, November 25 2011, 7:56PM
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“These reptiles deserve to be incarcerated for decades to come. One of them even gave false evidence in order to secure the convictions of two innocent men. Robert Bradley and Lyndon Coles.
Kevin Craigie ( Managing Director--Justice on Appeal)”
8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) Kevin was this crime not similar to yours ???????? 8(8-)) 8(8-)) 8(8-)) 8(8-))
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in the statements doesn't it mention that they cross dressed?
didnt the suffolk strangler also cross dress?
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in the statements doesn't it mention that they cross dressed?
didnt the suffolk strangler also cross dress?
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/09/robert_durst_the_millionaire_c.php
'He was an heir to a New York real estate empire. He was also a rich and arrogant cross-dresser who killed his best friend and others. So when he bailed out of jail, he simply went on the run, criss-crossing until being nailed for shoplifting.'
The arrogance of the men that commit these crimes know no bounds that is until the truth catches up with them
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in the statements doesn't it mention that they cross dressed?
didnt the suffolk strangler also cross dress?
And your point is ????????? 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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no interest in Suffolk stangler Liberace.Discussing the death of Mr Rothwell RIP and the involvement of Kevin Craigie.Trying to understand the mindset of someone, that to me is clearly guilty of JE murder yet refuses to accept guilt.Liberace what is your opinion?
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no interest in Suffolk stangler Liberace.Discussing the death of Mr Rothwell RIP and the involvement of Kevin Craigie.Trying to understand the mindset of someone, that to me is clearly guilty of JE murder yet refuses to accept guilt.Liberace what is your opinion?
I quite agree. what has Steve Wright got to do with Kevin Craige. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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You all know how DELUDED Kevin is so why would any of you believe anything he says or posts ,he has made 5 or 6 fake profiles of one lady called Lea to poke fun (which it is not) or just be plain nasty .I have seen these profile he has made & they are disgusting,vile & down right nasty.Why do you give him the time to post such crap & how can any of you take anything he says or does to be fact ...disgusting
The thing is Leanne, what I can't understand is if you knew all these things about him, why did you continue to be in contact with him for so long and not doing anything about his attacks. Why didn't you report them to facebook, for example.
He attacked me sending out messages to over 2000 people with your name on and you didn't seem all that bothered...?
Why are you only talking out now?
1st of all those fake profiles on Facebook were reported by more than 1 person ...
2nd Lea only came on this forum when her name was used by KC to attack you Steph
3rd If he attacked you by sending out 2000 messages using Lea's name how is that Lea's fault the only person to blame is KC not anybody else ,
Some people on here want to remember who the troublemaker is & that is KC now one else or are you all as DELUDED has him ......
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I concur with the deluded option . If memeory serves me right 2000 plus people reported her . Reason ? Her usual appalling behaviour. The Yanks were really disgusted
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Seems that our Mate Kevin is now posting as Badger, What with Some mothers do ave Em, Boxers, Cats , oh and Dogs, yes i know that to Kevin, and now Badgers. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*. You really are a disturbed person. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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Oh dear must be cross dressing night for K.C. tonight. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Oh dear must be cross dressing night for K.C. tonight. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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You all know how DELUDED Kevin is so why would any of you believe anything he says or posts ,he has made 5 or 6 fake profiles of one lady called Lea to poke fun (which it is not) or just be plain nasty .I have seen these profile he has made & they are disgusting,vile & down right nasty.Why do you give him the time to post such crap & how can any of you take anything he says or does to be fact ...disgusting
The thing is Leanne, what I can't understand is if you knew all these things about him, why did you continue to be in contact with him for so long and not doing anything about his attacks. Why didn't you report them to facebook, for example.
He attacked me sending out messages to over 2000 people with your name on and you didn't seem all that bothered...?
Why are you only talking out now?
1st of all those fake profiles on Facebook were reported by more than 1 person ...
2nd Lea only came on this forum when her name was used by KC to attack you Steph
3rd If he attacked you by sending out 2000 messages using Lea's name how is that Lea's fault the only person to blame is KC not anybody else ,
Some people on here want to remember who the troublemaker is & that is KC now one else or are you all as DELUDED has him ......
Paul the Red many thanks for your reply though my questions were to Leanne.
1st You need to be clearer regarding the fake facebook accounts you are referring to.
Do you mean the numerous fake facebook accounts of Craigie? Have you reported all Craigie's fake facebook accounts?
2nd Leanne didn't need to come onto the forum as it was quite obvious to us all that Craigie was once again stalking me and up to no good.
3rd You are contradicting yourself. You came here to defend Leanne because Craigie had used her name to attack me yet when he used her name to attack me before, she did nothing.
None of us are deluded Paul the Red, we aresick and tired of being attacked, stalked and harrassed by this man.
Surely Leanne as an avid advocate for miscarriages of justice would have wanted to stop his vile behaviour a long time ago, possibly when Craigie stole her group on facebook a couple of years ago.
As I've said, there was no need for Leanne to inform us that Craigie was once again trolling.
Paul the Red may I suggest if you have a problem with this man as well, you take it to the appropriate authorities.
May I also suggest Leanne does the same instead of asking others to do it for her. She says she has no evidence to support her claims, yet she has stated on here that Craigie made several fake facebook accounts in her name.
There's no need for you to be rude Paul the Red. None of us here are deluded we simply will not tolerate this mans attacks and lies any longer.
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I would really like to meet you K.C. Why do you insist on hiding behind fake profiles, mind you hid behind your victim also didnt you K.C. Remember Mr Rothwell ( rip ).
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I concur with the deluded option . If memeory serves me right 2000 plus people reported her . Reason ? Her usual appalling behaviour. The Yanks were really disgusted
Craigie will you please stop stalking me and spreading your venom. I HAVE reported you! This is being followed up and you are doing yourself no favours whatsoever.
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Craigie I set up a facebook account in order to highlight my husbands plight.
You then took it upon yourself to tell lies in order to have it taken down.
My husband is a GROSS miscarriage of justice, yet you clearly would not understand what that means, given that you are guilty as charged!
You have infiltrated the moj movement and caused no end of carnage and destruction along the way.
Yet you have nothing to say for yourself and refuse to answer any questions about your case!
Tell you what; save it for the authorities!
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Steph please don't let Kevin Craigie get to you, Remember he is like a trapped rat with nowhere to go. He has been exposed time and time again, he has been invited to comment time and time again, but refuses to do so, instead he pops up with fake profiles. This is the sort of person he is, remember he followed his victim like a stalker and now he has been exposed through his own documentation he doesn't like it. No one was meant to see that documentation until it had been edited. I have repeatedly asked him to answer to us, i have offered to meet this c.........e for a coffee but he has ignored the requests, why.
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You all know how DELUDED Kevin is so why would any of you believe anything he says or posts ,he has made 5 or 6 fake profiles of one lady called Lea to poke fun (which it is not) or just be plain nasty .I have seen these profile he has made & they are disgusting,vile & down right nasty.Why do you give him the time to post such crap & how can any of you take anything he says or does to be fact ...disgusting
The thing is Leanne, what I can't understand is if you knew all these things about him, why did you continue to be in contact with him for so long and not doing anything about his attacks. Why didn't you report them to facebook, for example.
He attacked me sending out messages to over 2000 people with your name on and you didn't seem all that bothered...?
Why are you only talking out now?
1st of all those fake profiles on Facebook were reported by more than 1 person ...
2nd Lea only came on this forum when her name was used by KC to attack you Steph
3rd If he attacked you by sending out 2000 messages using Lea's name how is that Lea's fault the only person to blame is KC not anybody else ,
Some people on here want to remember who the troublemaker is & that is KC now one else or are you all as DELUDED has him ......
Paul the Red many thanks for your reply though my questions were to Leanne.
1st You need to be clearer regarding the fake facebook accounts you are referring to.
Do you mean the numerous fake facebook accounts of Craigie? Have you reported all Craigie's fake facebook accounts?
2nd Leanne didn't need to come onto the forum as it was quite obvious to us all that Craigie was once again stalking me and up to no good.
3rd You are contradicting yourself. You came here to defend Leanne because Craigie had used her name to attack me yet when he used her name to attack me before, she did nothing.
None of us are deluded Paul the Red, we aresick and tired of being attacked, stalked and harrassed by this man.
Surely Leanne as an avid advocate for miscarriages of justice would have wanted to stop his vile behaviour a long time ago, possibly when Craigie stole her group on facebook a couple of years ago.
As I've said, there was no need for Leanne to inform us that Craigie was once again trolling.
Paul the Red may I suggest if you have a problem with this man as well, you take it to the appropriate authorities.
May I also suggest Leanne does the same instead of asking others to do it for her. She says she has no evidence to support her claims, yet she has stated on here that Craigie made several fake facebook accounts in her name.
There's no need for you to be rude Paul the Red. None of us here are deluded we simply will not tolerate this mans attacks and lies any longer.
The fake profiles he made in Lea's name & other peoples,she came on her to defend herself in case you & others thought it was her attacking you & not KC who was doing it,to take it to the appropriate authorities you need cold hard facts not just here say of which she has none,as for him taking over her group that was reported to Facebook & the group was shut down within 15 minutes ,I'm sorry Steph but you don't know all the facts that happened on Facebook but they were horrid .Sorry but my rudeness stems from people attacking a friend & I stick by my friends we only came on here to clear up the fact that those attacks on you were not made by Lea ,So maybe you should direct your attack at him & not people that were offering help to you .
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Something Fishery going on here 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(*
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Looks like Kevin Craigie is playing his party trick tonight instead of answering the questions about his own case.
"Hit and Run", the game he loves to play! ?>)()<
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I don't have a problem with any of you & that includes you peter apart from you attacking my friend Lea....do you not all think that instead of attacking innocent people you should focus on the guilty which is KC
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I don't have a problem with any of you & that includes you peter apart from you attacking my friend Lea....do you not all think that instead of attacking innocent people you should focus on the guilty which is KC
We agree, it is obviously a ploy to get you at each others throats while he sits back and laughs. Time out guys. ?>)()<
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You all know how DELUDED Kevin is so why would any of you believe anything he says or posts ,he has made 5 or 6 fake profiles of one lady called Lea to poke fun (which it is not) or just be plain nasty .I have seen these profile he has made & they are disgusting,vile & down right nasty.Why do you give him the time to post such crap & how can any of you take anything he says or does to be fact ...disgusting
The thing is Leanne, what I can't understand is if you knew all these things about him, why did you continue to be in contact with him for so long and not doing anything about his attacks. Why didn't you report them to facebook, for example.
He attacked me sending out messages to over 2000 people with your name on and you didn't seem all that bothered...?
Why are you only talking out now?
1st of all those fake profiles on Facebook were reported by more than 1 person ...
2nd Lea only came on this forum when her name was used by KC to attack you Steph
3rd If he attacked you by sending out 2000 messages using Lea's name how is that Lea's fault the only person to blame is KC not anybody else ,
Some people on here want to remember who the troublemaker is & that is KC now one else or are you all as DELUDED has him ......
Paul the Red many thanks for your reply though my questions were to Leanne.
1st You need to be clearer regarding the fake facebook accounts you are referring to.
Do you mean the numerous fake facebook accounts of Craigie? Have you reported all Craigie's fake facebook accounts?
2nd Leanne didn't need to come onto the forum as it was quite obvious to us all that Craigie was once again stalking me and up to no good.
3rd You are contradicting yourself. You came here to defend Leanne because Craigie had used her name to attack me yet when he used her name to attack me before, she did nothing.
None of us are deluded Paul the Red, we aresick and tired of being attacked, stalked and harrassed by this man.
Surely Leanne as an avid advocate for miscarriages of justice would have wanted to stop his vile behaviour a long time ago, possibly when Craigie stole her group on facebook a couple of years ago.
As I've said, there was no need for Leanne to inform us that Craigie was once again trolling.
Paul the Red may I suggest if you have a problem with this man as well, you take it to the appropriate authorities.
May I also suggest Leanne does the same instead of asking others to do it for her. She says she has no evidence to support her claims, yet she has stated on here that Craigie made several fake facebook accounts in her name.
There's no need for you to be rude Paul the Red. None of us here are deluded we simply will not tolerate this mans attacks and lies any longer.
The fake profiles he made in Lea's name & other peoples,she came on her to defend herself in case you & others thought it was her attacking you & not KC who was doing it,to take it to the appropriate authorities you need cold hard facts not just here say of which she has none,as for him taking over her group that was reported to Facebook & the group was shut down within 15 minutes ,I'm sorry Steph but you don't know all the facts that happened on Facebook but they were horrid .Sorry but my rudeness stems from people attacking a friend & I stick by my friends we only came on here to clear up the fact that those attacks on you were not made by Lea ,So maybe you should direct your attack at him & not people that were offering help to you .
Leanne Woods has always known I sussed Craigie from day one; hence why he has done what he has. He will do anything to divert from the truth.
We have cold hard facts! I have cold hard facts! It is being dealt with!
I'm afraid Paul, you are using the same erroneous language, as many others have done, and still do, by suggesting I have attacked you. Please point out where I have done this?
I am fighting to get my INNOCENT husband out of prison and therefore do not have time to listen to hearsay, nor do I have the time to involve myself with your problems or Leanne's.
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When did i attack Lea Ann ?????? News to me...........
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I don't have a problem with any of you & that includes you peter apart from you attacking my friend Lea....do you not all think that instead of attacking innocent people you should focus on the guilty which is KC
For me Paul, my focus remains the same. I couldn't careless that Craigie is guilty, never have done! What I care about is my INNOCENT husband and clearing his name.
No one is attacking your friend Lea! It isn't all about Lea! Craigie's used hundreds of other names, many of whom are known to him and no doubt people like you.
If Craigie has attacked Lea; she needs to contact the police! Alternatively ring his probation officer Vanda Nicholetti.
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I think you need to read what I put Steph I said you attacked Lea not me had you attacked me I would have ignored it as I don't care about your thoughts on me as I don't know you & you don't know me,I know the you are fighting to clear your husbands name & I hope that you do as I know from what I have read that he is innocent,the only person to blame for all of this shit is KC now one else ,All I am saying is focus your attacks on him no on Innocent people like Lea .
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When did i attack Lea Ann ?????? News to me...........
?????? Well
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When did i attack Lea Ann ?????? News to me...........
Not you attacking Lea Peter but people on her attacking her,like I said I have no beef with you ,all I'm doing is sticking up for a friend that is all .
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I don't have a problem with any of you & that includes you peter apart from you attacking my friend Lea....do you not all think that instead of attacking innocent people you should focus on the guilty which is KC
This is what you put. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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yes that was a error I will say sorry for ,I didn't mean it to sound like you had attacked Lea I meant other members on here .
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Ok we all make mistakes, even K.C. who seems to make more than most @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* and that is not a dig at you, its a dig at K.C.
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yes that was a error I will say sorry for ,I didn't mean it to sound like you had attacked Lea I meant other members on here .
Paul I don't believe Craigie is a member on here?
Lea should give her mobile phone, with the vile recordings of Craigie to the police. That is evidence! They will listen to her, rest assured.
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That's fine ,I'm only sticking up for & backing my friend Lea nothing else
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Well time for bed i think, Good Night K.C. rest assured you are not of the hook, @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
And good night all my Friends that does not include you K.C.
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I think you need to read what I put Steph I said you attacked Lea not me had you attacked me I would have ignored it as I don't care about your thoughts on me as I don't know you & you don't know me,I know the you are fighting to clear your husbands name & I hope that you do as I know from what I have read that he is innocent,the only person to blame for all of this shit is KC now one else ,All I am saying is focus your attacks on him no on Innocent people like Lea .
Please point out where I have attacked Lea? Don't be silly Paul and do as others have done, you strike me as being a little more sensible than that. All I have done is asked Lea questions in an open forum. I am not trying to trip her up. But she didn't need to have others stick up for her here. We all know what Craigie's about; he's done this to me for many years now.
The only difference being this time he won't be getting away with it. And this time I am a lot stronger and wiser than I was in the past.
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Well if KC is not on here what is the point of all this shit... None of you know me or have had dealings with me I am only here to support ,back & FIGHT for my friend that is all simple as ...
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Kevin Craigie is guilty of many things...bullying, stalking and his speciality is making fake profiles. I would like to point out there have been many made in my name and others. I have have Leeanne, LeaAnne Leeanne Northern Bird just to name a few. These were always discovered by him, when no one else had seen them. Friends requests were sent me, but I have no log to see just how many. I know for a fact that one disgusting fake account was made on another lady, same style, fat trannies were dubious dresses. This one went far further than the attacks on me though. Mocking murder and attacking an innocent girl.
Does this sound like a man suffering a MOJ? This fake profile is still on Facebook
Interesting past times you have Mr Craigie, try getting a new hobby and maybe some real friends
You cannot possibly have any proof that I have made fake profiles, because I have never had one! The voices in your head are confusing you. Dont listen to them mate, they are nearly as scary as YOU!!!!!
Ooops wrong post.....
The thing is Leanne, what I can't understand is if you knew all these things about him, why did you continue to be in contact with him for so long and not doing anything about his attacks. Why didn't you report them to facebook, for example.
He attacked me sending out messages to over 2000 people with your name on and you didn't seem all that bothered...?
Why are you only talking out now?
This post seems to me as a attack Steph this is what I am defending Lea on as I have said you don't know me & I don't know you I maybe reading it wrong I don't know but I have no beef with you for that reasonbut I will support my friend Lea 100% & I know what KC has done & said about her & others including you .
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yes that was a error I will say sorry for ,I didn't mean it to sound like you had attacked Lea I meant other members on here .
Paul I don't believe Craigie is a member on here?
Lea should give her mobile phone, with the vile recordings of Craigie to the police. That is evidence! They will listen to her, rest assured.
If Lea actually has voice recordings which are abusive or threatening we agree with Stephanie, there is but one course of action. 8((()*/
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Well if KC is not on here what is the point of all this shit... None of you know me or have had dealings with me I am only here to support ,back & FIGHT for my friend that is all simple as ...
He is no longer a member but he watches everything we say...he even posts occasionally. ?>)()<
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Kevin Craigie is guilty of many things...bullying, stalking and his speciality is making fake profiles. I would like to point out there have been many made in my name and others. I have have Leeanne, LeaAnne Leeanne Northern Bird just to name a few. These were always discovered by him, when no one else had seen them. Friends requests were sent me, but I have no log to see just how many. I know for a fact that one disgusting fake account was made on another lady, same style, fat trannies were dubious dresses. This one went far further than the attacks on me though. Mocking murder and attacking an innocent girl.
Does this sound like a man suffering a MOJ? This fake profile is still on Facebook
Interesting past times you have Mr Craigie, try getting a new hobby and maybe some real friends
You cannot possibly have any proof that I have made fake profiles, because I have never had one! The voices in your head are confusing you. Dont listen to them mate, they are nearly as scary as YOU!!!!!
Ooops wrong post.....
The thing is Leanne, what I can't understand is if you knew all these things about him, why did you continue to be in contact with him for so long and not doing anything about his attacks. Why didn't you report them to facebook, for example.
He attacked me sending out messages to over 2000 people with your name on and you didn't seem all that bothered...?
Why are you only talking out now?
This post seems to me as a attack Steph this is what I am defending Lea on as I have said you don't know me & I don't know you I maybe reading it wrong I don't know but I have no beef with you for that reasonbut I will support my friend Lea 100% & I know what KC has done & said about her & others including you .
What has Craigie said about Lea then?
Why won't Leanne go to the police?
Why doesn't Leanne answer the questions posed to her?
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Why you asking me when did my name become Lea ,I have said all along I am backing Lea ,as for what KC has said what hasn't he said,How do you know that Lea hasn't gone to the police,Lea hasn't answered because she went to bed about 2 hours as far as I know,but when did this turn in to anything to do with Lea the only person that this is about or should be about is KC,everyone else should be on the same side which is to prove that KC is a slime ball
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Why you asking me when did my name become Lea ,I have said all along I am backing Lea ,as for what KC has said what hasn't he said,How do you know that Lea hasn't gone to the police,Lea hasn't answered because she went to bed about 2 hours as far as I know,but when did this turn in to anything to do with Lea the only person that this is about or should be about is KC,everyone else should be on the same side which is to prove that KC is a slime ball
Leanne was the administrator of the particular group with Craigie, where the 2000 plus messages were sent from. Leanne has been an administrator of several other groups, I am lead to believe, with Craigie.
Leanne was also an administrator of Justice on Appeal I've heard, but you may need to correct me on this.
Therefore I was simply asking her why she didn't do anything about him before, or at that time, and why she thinks I may be interested now.
Can I just point out to you - Craigie once again came looking for me. How did Leanne find out about this forum so quickly, was she following him?
Leanne emailed me at 12.30am so your timings need tweaking.
I'm not here to clear up every one elses mess. If Leanne or you have a problem with Craigie - do something about it. As i'm sure you will both appreciate. I have more pressing matters to attend to.
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I don't know about that ,all I do know is that the common enemy is KC not Lea so leave her out of these arguments is all I'm saying as she has nothing to do with this ,I found what was on here while doing some research for a FB group & I reported back to Lea that someone had posted in her name on here attacking a lady called Steph because I didn't know who you were,she explained & came on to clear her name that is all & if you knew that it was KC that had used her name to attack you even you must admit that she is 100% innocent as I have said I have no beef with you
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I don't know about that ,all I do know is that the common enemy is KC not Lea so leave her out of these arguments is all I'm saying as she has nothing to do with this ,I found what was on here while doing some research for a FB group & I reported back to Lea that someone had posted in her name on here attacking a lady called Steph because I didn't know who you were,she explained & came on to clear her name that is all & if you knew that it was KC that had used her name to attack you even you must admit that she is 100% innocent as I have said I have no beef with you
it might seem like im sticking my nose in here but . . .
what do you think lea is being accused of and what do you mean about her being 100% innocent
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Lea is 100% innocent as she hasn't done anything wrong she only came on here to say that the posts that appeared in her name were not made by her but KC & read the earlier post's as I am not going over old ground again
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the guilty never do anything wrong. he he @)(++(*
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wots she got ta do with ne moj
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Kevin is the type of person that it is sometimes easier to be a friend of and let the things he's done be forgotten rather than try and fight against him.
The consequences of 'upsetting' this 'man' are -: Vile messages left on an answer machinge, conversations where he will try and belittle you in order to upset you and make you feel bad and then he makes the victim think they're wrong and not him, on whatever social netwrking site both parties happen to be on, he will open a mas of fake profiles with a view to impersonating the person who he's had an argument with and then mailing friends in common to say lies and ......... about them or the opening of fake prifiles using names of say family members of the person he has had the falling out with to poke fun or vile/slanderous information about the person who dared not to agree with him.
This 'man' loves to play with people's psyche's and do their head in because he is convincing with his lies and persona and the tales he tells, so he uses this to his own ends to convince people and then turn them against the usually people HE has upset. Then his story starts to crumble when little bits do not add up. This is how in snares people into a trap.
Lea Anne possibly/probably let things go rather because it was better than trying to sort the fall out from crossing him because it has less dire consequences as she'd found out from not forgiving him before.
Lea Anne hasn't got the time or reason to set all these fake profiles up and why would anyone of a normal mindset piss about setting a mass of fake profiles up to make herself look stupid and to mass mail people things about HERSELF which weren't true.
if you go over to the blue forum, you will come accross a group called 'Bridging the gap', go through the amounts of work put into this site by Lea Anne and another member and you will see that there isn't enough time in her day to be making shit up.
In the past, I'd have destroyed evidence because I don't want reminding of somene insulting me, its upsetting and it made me annoyed and really keeps things going everytime you look at it, it's only being older and more cynical in my life that I'm likely to keep what I think might be evidence or useful if something goes bad.
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Over the years many have searched for any detail of KC's case ,all to no avail. When questioned about the validity of his case KC always avoided the question,then went in attack mode.His attacks knew NO limits.
KC has fooled, duped ,conned and hurt many people,preying mostly on vulnerable women. All of his victims have dealt with this reptile in their own way.He has victimised everyone,the audience that has had read his trifling stories,NOT FORGETTING those in jail he proposed to help!! STORIES that is what they are, STORIES!Please,do not let us get side tracked into trying to understand others involvement or actions in assisting KC.Let us as logical human beings understand KC victimised everyone,however, human nature as it is it takes us all a different time scale to process information and act upon it.
This forum has actually given us what many of us have searched for over the years.The validity of KC having been sentenced for JE murder.Now we have much of the information none of us are surprised why KC wanted to hide his case,the murder of Mr Rothwell RIP.
My conclusion is that KC does need to be exposed to the authorities and anyone with information should do so.
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Over the years many have searched for any detail of KC's case ,all to no avail. When questioned about the validity of his case KC always avoided the question,then went in attack mode.His attacks knew NO limits.
KC has fooled, duped ,conned and hurt many people,preying mostly on vulnerable women. All of his victims have dealt with this reptile in their own way.He has victimised everyone,even the audience that has had read his trifling stories,and those in jail!! As that is what they are, STORIES!Please,do not let us get side tracked into trying to understand others involvement or actions in assisting KC.Let us as logical human beings understand KC victimised everyone,however, human nature as it is it takes us all a different time scale to process information and act upon it.
This forum has actually given us what many of us have searched for over the years.The validity of KC having been sentenced for JE murder.Now we have much of the information none of us are surprised why KC wanted to hide his case,the murder of Mr Rothwell RIP.
My conclusion is that KC does need to be exposed to the authorities and anyone with information should do so.
I totally agree with you realtruth!
Craigie came to the internet in cica 2006 armed with his coniving, manipulating and quite clearly disturbing mind to hurt others. There seems to be no logic in his actions.
Miscarriages of justice are an emotive subject. He used this to his advantage.
We all appear to be at different stages in our fights for justice and this is probably why it has taken the time it has to finally out him for the abusive, vile internet troll he is. Though he takes his abuse outside the internet as well, giving him a bigger audience and making him even more dangerous. 8(8-))
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Kevin is the type of person that it is sometimes easier to be a friend of and let the things he's done be forgotten rather than try and fight against him.
The consequences of 'upsetting' this 'man' are -: Vile messages left on an answer machinge, conversations where he will try and belittle you in order to upset you and make you feel bad and then he makes the victim think they're wrong and not him, on whatever social netwrking site both parties happen to be on, he will open a mas of fake profiles with a view to impersonating the person who he's had an argument with and then mailing friends in common to say lies and ......... about them or the opening of fake prifiles using names of say family members of the person he has had the falling out with to poke fun or vile/slanderous information about the person who dared not to agree with him.
This 'man' loves to play with people's psyche's and do their head in because he is convincing with his lies and persona and the tales he tells, so he uses this to his own ends to convince people and then turn them against the usually people HE has upset. Then his story starts to crumble when little bits do not add up. This is how in snares people into a trap.
Very well summed up Joanne!
I did try to warn people of Craigie a couple of years ago!
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Over the years many have searched for any detail of KC's case ,all to no avail. When questioned about the validity of his case KC always avoided the question,then went in attack mode.His attacks knew NO limits.
KC has fooled, duped ,conned and hurt many people,preying mostly on vulnerable women. All of his victims have dealt with this reptile in their own way.He has victimised everyone,the audience that has had read his trifling stories,NOT FORGETTING those in jail he proposed to help!! STORIES that is what they are, STORIES!Please,do not let us get side tracked into trying to understand others involvement or actions in assisting KC.Let us as logical human beings understand KC victimised everyone,however, human nature as it is it takes us all a different time scale to process information and act upon it.
This forum has actually given us what many of us have searched for over the years.The validity of KC having been sentenced for JE murder.Now we have much of the information none of us are surprised why KC wanted to hide his case,the murder of Mr Rothwell RIP.
My conclusion is that KC does need to be exposed to the authorities and anyone with information should do so.
What is sickening is people like Karen Torley are fueling Craigie's behaviour.
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KC will always have his next victim in his sights .....he gathers information...then attacks ...thats what he does now and always has done ...until of course he is stopped 8(0(*
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KC will always have his next victim in his sights .....he gathers information...then attacks ...thats what he does now and always has done ...until of course he is stopped 8(0(*
My point,he does need to be exposed to the authorities and stopped!
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I agree, the issue is he's so sly in the way he does it, getting enough stuff to make the authorities listen, take action and show he's consistently doing it, is another matter.
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i personally would be interested in looking at the unsolved murders round that time, just to see if there are any similarities ...
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KC will always have his next victim in his sights .....he gathers information...then attacks ...thats what he does now and always has done ...until of course he is stopped 8(0(*
My point,he does need to be exposed to the authorities and stopped!
Once again; totally agree with you realtruth!!!
Paul the Red came on here last night in defence of Lea. Paul the Red could also speak to the police.
Paul when you are reading this - I am not attacking you or Lea; I am only suggesting to you both to do the right thing instead of repeating the past. That' s the only way to put an end to it all.
I'm sorry you think I've attacked your friend but I think you have misread the situation.
Behaviour breeds behaviour! This was one of the last things I recall writing on facebook before Craigie had it shut down. 8(8-))
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KT a female human rights activist @)(++(* Wonder did she consider the basic human rights of those ridiculed,hurt and slandered before courting,aiding and abetting such a reptile? There are those sat in prison suffering genuine MOJ clinging to the hope that KC can assist them.KT human rights activist can she do anything to assist them?Course not!
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i personally would be interested in looking at the unsolved murders round that time, just to see if there are any similarities ...
Think you know my standpoint !
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KT a female human rights activist @)(++(* Wonder did she consider the basic human rights of those ridiculed,hurt and slandered before courting,aiding and abetting such a reptile? There are those sat in prison suffering genuine MOJ clinging to the hope that KC can assist them.KT human rights activist can she do anything to assist them?Course not!
It's all a big game to her 8(8-)) And her games continue!
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What gratification could anyone hope to achieve - dating activist ? @)(++(* @)(++(*
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When KC is outed he reverts to playing at being the 'victim.' He usually begins by planting a seed into his readers mind suggesting that hes suicidal. I read an earlier post on here made by him/Jack where he said hed hung himself. Classis KC behaviour.
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Over the years many have searched for any detail of KC's case ,all to no avail. When questioned about the validity of his case KC always avoided the question,then went in attack mode.His attacks knew NO limits.
KC has fooled, duped ,conned and hurt many people,preying mostly on vulnerable women. All of his victims have dealt with this reptile in their own way.He has victimised everyone,the audience that has had read his trifling stories,NOT FORGETTING those in jail he proposed to help!! STORIES that is what they are, STORIES!Please,do not let us get side tracked into trying to understand others involvement or actions in assisting KC.Let us as logical human beings understand KC victimised everyone,however, human nature as it is it takes us all a different time scale to process information and act upon it.
This forum has actually given us what many of us have searched for over the years.The validity of KC having been sentenced for JE murder.Now we have much of the information none of us are surprised why KC wanted to hide his case,the murder of Mr Rothwell RIP.
My conclusion is that KC does need to be exposed to the authorities and anyone with information should do so.
What is sickening is people like Karen Torley are fueling Craigie's behaviour.
Excellent point Stephanie. I couldn't have put it better myself.
Lea Anne. Can you copy the vile audio message Craigie left you and sent it to admin. They will deal with this for you.
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Lea Anne can't charge the phone up, the charger is broken and it's an LG, so there isn't anyone within walking distance who can lend her one. I will pass the message on David and if need be I think I can probably get to leeds at some point with a multi charger and get the messages to you so you can pass them on unless someone can come up with an easier way to do it.
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KC will always have his next victim in his sights .....he gathers information...then attacks ...thats what he does now and always has done ...until of course he is stopped 8(0(*
My point,he does need to be exposed to the authorities and stopped!
Once again; totally agree with you realtruth!!!
Paul the Red came on here last night in defence of Lea. Paul the Red could also speak to the police.
Paul when you are reading this - I am not attacking you or Lea; I am only suggesting to you both to do the right thing instead of repeating the past. That' s the only way to put an end to it all.
I'm sorry you think I've attacked your friend but I think you have misread the situation.
Behaviour breeds behaviour! This was one of the last things I recall writing on facebook before Craigie had it shut down. 8(8-))
Could I suggest something. Craigie delights in having thousands of people on his Craigie's Angels page. These people are totally unaware of his past. I think everyone with a facebook account should report him to facebook NOW. Facebook will act and take the page down but you have to be proactive. Sitting back and doing nothing is not an option.
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I have done, the account is still up as is his facebook page in his own name.
I don't think the police are going to do anything and I think I've just wasted the best part of a week reporting him and it's time that I'm not going to get back.
He will keep getting away with it because he just moves from group to group making promises he can't keep to people running justice based groups and to prisoners who he's promised to help and he's not going to do anything for them.
Lea Anne doesn't want involving anymore, she's had enough, so I would suggest not contacting her now, she's had enough and I don't blame her. Lea Anne feels like she was attacked last night, I wasn't on at the time, so I can only read what happened.
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When KC is outed he reverts to playing at being the 'victim.' He usually begins by planting a seed into his readers mind suggesting that hes suicidal. I read an earlier post on here made by him/Jack where he said hed hung himself. Classis KC behaviour.
This is his way of killing the discussion. SHOCK TREATMENT !!!
He studied psychology so he knows how to manipulate people but I have a message for you Kevin Craigie.
YOU ARE FINISHED MATE.
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I have done, the account is still up as is his facebook page in his own name.
I don't think the police are going to do anything and I think I've just wasted the best part of a week reporting him and it's time that I'm not going to get back.
He will keep getting away with it because he just moves from group to group making promises he can't keep to people running justice based groups and to prisoners who he's promised to help and he's not going to do anything for them.
Lea Anne doesn't want involving anymore, she's had enough, so I would suggest not contacting her now, she's had enough and I don't blame her. Lea Anne feels like she was attacked last night, I wasn't on at the time, so I can only read what happened.
Lea Anne has the chance now to end this. She is a valuable member here and she is to be praised for her stance. Don't bale out now Lea, stand up and be counted and we will all back you up.
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. This is 2012 not 1912.
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He is guilty, read his case papers. You have been blinded by his charm have you?
Kevin Craigie is a one man lynch mob, I have provided proof to the police he is.
Go and join him and his merry band of followers if you think so much of him and reposrt the comments you find homophobic.
If you are so proud to be you, get an account and log in under your real name.
I'm just in the right mood for a fight too.
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William we are all entitled to our opinion as was the jury that convicted KC. I for one am not homophobic neither am I part of or aware of any lynch mob.William, would be interesting to hear your opinion/point of view regarding KC's innocence.
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. This is 2012 not 1912.
Kevin Craigie - Camden - IP 195.191.66.226
Well Kevin Craigie,
Are you Carlisle or is it William? Maybe you are having an identity crisis. As a gay person you undoubtedly feel that everyone who criticises you is homophobic but you are mistaken chappy.
Nobody hates you Kevin but we will expose you...GUARANTEED!
You are guilty of Mr Rothwell's murder even though you may not have struck the fateful blow. You abandoned him when you could have saved him. You chose to save your own skin and then chose to rob the guy as he lay there gasping his last breath. What a despicable creature you are.
You are NOT an innocent man as you post on other forums, you are in fact guilty. Your pathetic hit and run games have come to exemplify exactly what you are.
Next week should be an interesting one matey.
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William was an automatic give away because MR C never liked Billy Middleton.
The name always come back to name who he related to people as do the guest accounts.
Nice one John 8((()*/
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The net is closing Kev?
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William was an automatic give away because MR C never liked Billy Middleton.
The name always come back to name who he related to people as do the guest accounts.
Nice one John 8((()*/
Interesting you should say that, wasn't Craigie one of Billy's top posters on facebook after he'd had Simon's facebook page taken down; or was that also part of his ploy? 8(0(*
Then again, like attracts alike.....!!
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I don't know, he just told me he didn't like him and he thought he'd done it. Bit of a rich statement knowing what I know now.
It could be a new thread that google earth where you live!
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. This is 2012 not 1912.
Kevin Craigie - Camden - IP 195.191.66.226
Well Kevin Craigie,
Are you Carlisle or is it William? Maybe you are having an identity crisis. As a gay person you undoubtedly feel that everyone who criticises you is homophobic but you are mistaken chappy.
Nobody hates you Kevin but we will expose you...GUARANTEED!
You are guilty of Mr Rothwell's murder even though you may not have struck the fateful blow. You abandoned him when you could have saved him. You chose to save your own skin and then chose to rob the guy as he lay there gasping his last breath. What a despicable creature you are.
You are NOT an innocent man as you post on other forums, you are in fact guilty. Your pathetic hit and run games have come to exemplify exactly what you are.
Next week should be an interesting one matey.
Craigie's games stopped for me over 2 years ago when I realised what a dangerous man he quite clearly is!
RIP Mr Rothwell.... 8(8-))
And Craigie still shows no remorse; blaming anything and everything else but himself..... I know someone else that does that... 8-)(--)
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I am in a bad bad mood, if I go too far, can someone tell me to leave it please? Because otherwise I will go on and on and on and on-you get the guist.
Thank you 8(8-))
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I am in a bad bad mood, if I go too far, can someone tell me to leave it please? Because otherwise I will go on and on and on and on-you get the guist.
Thank you 8(8-))
Joanne you are an excellent poster so don't put yourself down. Only by standing together will it ever be possible to deal with abusive trolls. Well done for bringing these issues to our attention. 8((()*/
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. This is 2012 not 1912.
says the deluded man himself..........wow he has answered a question put to him by the police !....denied at the time of course ......but there you have it ...the truth ALWAYS comes out
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. This is 2012 not 1912.
says the deluded man himself..........wow he has answered a question put to him by the police !....denied at the time of course ......but there you have it ...the truth ALWAYS comes out
hes finally admitted to being gay thats a start. BIGOT
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. This is 2012 not 1912.
says the deluded man himself..........wow he has answered a question put to him by the police !....denied at the time of course ......but there you have it ...the truth ALWAYS comes out
Maybe he wasn't gay in 1990? Just saying like. 8)-)))
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. You do, you go all over the internet.
I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I don't I see a lot of people who see the same behaviour time and time again coming together in one place to see it.
I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I don't. I see adults have a laugh on the lines of humour of either Charles Hawtry or Dick Emery.They are not homophobic, I assure you.
I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. Man up then and get a backbone instead of being spineless.
I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Try a mirror.
Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. 15? It happened about 22 years ago, so did you sleep for some of it?
Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. No, you do it on a personal level to a lot of people which would add up to a mob when counted up.
This is 2012 not 1912. I'll give you that one sunshine.
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. You do, you go all over the internet.
I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I don't I see a lot of people who see the same behaviour time and time again coming together in one place to see it.
I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I don't. I see adults have a laugh on the lines of humour of either Charles Hawtry or Dick Emery.They are not homophobic, I assure you.
I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. Man up then and get a backbone instead of being spineless.
I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Try a mirror.
Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. 15? It happened about 22 years ago, so did you sleep for some of it?
Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. No, you do it on a personal level to a lot of people which would add up to a mob when counted up.
This is 2012 not 1912. I'll give you that one sunshine.
Sunshine @)(++(* Nice one @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. This is 2012 not 1912.
So who has accused you of What Kevin. We have merely debated your case, You now admit you are Gay that is not the issue. But in order to draw the correct conclusions people need to look closely at the person. In your police statements did you not give the impression that you were not gay. So that is a lie Kevin no matter how you dress it up. Once one truth is uncovered people search for more, and in doing so more irregularities have come to light. You have been given ample op pertunity to comment but have declined to do so.
Your actions towards others has been debated your false indentities have been explored, There has been discussion about you and your character and it does not paint a very good picture, but that is only a picture, A background, add the facts to that background and what emerges. You have a picture of a man of very dubious character who would lie to the Police to cover his tracks, Lie under oath in a Court of Law, has been convicted of Murder, abuses females over the internet, the list goes on.
So Kevin please don't take offence when you introduce yourself as a MOJ and people want to establish the facts. You can not introduce yourself as the local Gay Murderer then say but i didn't do it, can you. So why are you threatening everyone with the Police. Mind Ive already read one of your Police statements. @)(++(* @)(++(* Yet Again the ball is in your Court.
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Can someone list what we know as fact in a quick list?
I think we know his name and he was adopted, born in 1969 and he was an O'Connell and he did commit murder with Mark Fuller and did 10 odd years or is that all we know?
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. This is 2012 not 1912.
So who has accused you of What Kevin. We have merely debated your case, You now admit you are Gay that is not the issue. But in order to draw the correct conclusions people need to look closely at the person. In your police statements did you not give the impression that you were not gay. So that is a lie Kevin no matter how you dress it up. Once one truth is uncovered people search for more, and in doing so more irregularities have come to light. You have been given ample op pertunity to comment but have declined to do so.
Your actions towards others has been debated your false indentities have been explored, There has been discussion about you and your character and it does not paint a very good picture, but that is only a picture, A background, add the facts to that background and what emerges. You have a picture of a man of very dubious character who would lie to the Police to cover his tracks, Lie under oath in a Court of Law, has been convicted of Murder, abuses females over the internet, the list goes on.
So Kevin please don't take offence when you introduce yourself as a MOJ and people want to establish the facts. You can not introduce yourself as the local Gay Murderer then say but i didn't do it, can you. So why are you threatening everyone with the Police. Mind Ive already read one of your Police statements. @)(++(* @)(++(* Yet Again the ball is in your Court.
Wonder what all the MOJ groups will make of him when they see what he's been up to in his spare time. 8((()*/
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its my understanding KC is very well known in these groups, and when challenged runs, as he did on this forum, not he goes on by posting in his "fake names" in the sad attempt to throw people off his tracks ....He is very very very well known now for the truth cannot be hidden any more ...the truth is there for all to see..yet still he denies it...KC your INVOLVEMENT , is what got you your sentence..you can shout till your blue in the face , but lets face it , you only want to change the law on joint enterprise so you can say your innocent !!! BUT FACE IT YOUR GUILTY
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Its better to live like a tiger than a sheep @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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http://muslima61.hubpages.com/hub/No-Justice-in-the-Hands-of-Man-Guilty-until-proven-Innocent
Kevin Craigie 6 months ago
A murderer has a trial. Those charged with Joint Enterprise dont. The Jury are frequently, as they did with me in 1991, denied their right to acquitt one and convict the sole perpetrator. This not only violates article 6 of the Human Rights Act, it exposes the Criminal Justice System for what it is, always has been, and always will be.....unless we demand change.
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Its better to live like a tiger than a sheep @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Looks like KC has been fleeced ?{)(** ?{)(** @)(++(* @)(++(*
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He started off as a sheep and ended up as a badger, tiger didn't seem to fit the picture this time.
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Lea Anne can't charge the phone up, the charger is broken and it's an LG, so there isn't anyone within walking distance who can lend her one. I will pass the message on David and if need be I think I can probably get to leeds at some point with a multi charger and get the messages to you so you can pass them on unless someone can come up with an easier way to do it.
whose this Lea Anne person? what's an LG? i'm confused 8-)(--) who lives in Leeds? 8-)(--)
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Lea Anne can't charge the phone up, the charger is broken and it's an LG, so there isn't anyone within walking distance who can lend her one. I will pass the message on David and if need be I think I can probably get to leeds at some point with a multi charger and get the messages to you so you can pass them on unless someone can come up with an easier way to do it.
whose this Lea Anne person? what's an LG? i'm confused 8-)(--) who lives in Leeds? 8-)(--)
http://www.btguk.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18&Itemid=107
Leanne has taken on the role of Penpal co-ordinator, and she has in the expression taken to the task like a duck to water. She has added to her role that of also being the Area Rep for Yorkshire and works hard co-ordinating the volunteers that are spread around the country.
I left school at 16, getting 'O' levels then started work, doing various office and retail jobs.
I started doing work for various charities, raising funds and awareness etc.On becoming friends with four people who had been through the prison system, I deciding to look for a more hands on role to help make a difference.
That is when I found BTG and got talking to James what did I ever do before?
Knowing how important letters were to my friends, I jumped at the chance to be the Penpal co-ordinator and help others in the same situation.
I'm not conventionally religious but do follow the spiritual church way of thinking. After some very bad times in my life, It was good to have that and learnt me many thinks about forgiveness.
My other interests include football, alternative medicine, healing and music. I still campaign and support numerous causes, raising the profiles and raising money.
Leanne
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Penpal and Hyena- why do I get the feeling you're KC or one of his sunshine band followers?
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Joanne what I don't understand is why would Leanne came to me after 2 years and tell me about Craigie after she watched Craigie attack me?
Clearly she wanted someone to do something about him but seems too afraid to do this herself.
This is not an attack on Leanne but with her publicly stating she wants nothing more to do with it. In the words of Anne Robinson: you are the weekest link (Leanne).
Leanne; are you still in contact with him? Is that why you are afraid? What worries me and probably other forums members will see where I am coming from with this - you have now put yourself back into Craigie's firing line, as he now knows you will do nothing about his attacks.
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I think she couldn't do much because the only evidence she has were the mobile phone messages and nothing else. This why Lea feels limited as to what she can do.
You could get in contact to verify it but thats as I understand it. I understand she isn't in contact with Mr C but he has phoned her recently claiming he'd got the wrong number but Lea hung up on him.
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Is this the same Leanne who was once in partnership with KC running justice on appeal?
http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/01/1m-fund-is-running-out-fast/
Darren Bolger Says:
October 1st, 2009 at 11:49 am
I fully support and stand by Mr Bennett!
He is a genuine man who has the sole intention of finding justice and at his own cost and time, something that none of his accusers are accredited to, I’m sure of that!
It’s so easy to judge from your arm chair, with no experience of facts and or even a glimmer of the real world, where injustice and floored police investigations roam.
Go on believe the press, surely no real person writes such garbage and surely a newspaper is not just a means to make a bob or two?
What is important here is that someone, anyone, takes this proposal of law change seriously and in a comprehensive debate and rather than throw stones at it, listen and you might learn a thing or two, who knows once you given reason to the argument and discover the intentions, you may even agree with Mr Bennett.
Go on Tony go for it, poor little Madeline is no doubt proud of you trying!
Darren Bolger: http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/darren-bolger/31/1b9/564
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http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/kevin-craigie/15/a26/480?trk=pub-pbmap
Kevin Craigie's Overview
Current Managing Director at Justice on Appeal
Past Deputy Manager at Citizens Advice
Education House of Falkland
St Columbas
Connections 19 connections
Kevin Craigie's Experience
Managing Director Justice on Appeal
April 2010 – Present (2 years 3 months) London, United Kingdom
Strategic Management
Advising and representing clients
Influencing reform of the law
Campaigning
Educating the public and various organistions concerning the Law of Joint Enterprise
Deputy Manager Citizens Advice
Nonprofit; 201-500 employees; Nonprofit Organization Management industry
January 2002 – January 2005 (3 years 1 month)
Operational management
advising and representing clients
influencing social policy
networking with wide range of organisations and individuals
training staff in more advanced skills
Kevin Craigie's Skills & Expertise
Criminal Law Management Consulting Kevin Craigie's Education
House of Falkland 1984 – 1985
St Columbas 1982
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WHAT THE HELL AS ANY OF THIS TO DO WITH LEA SHE ONLY CAME ON HERE TO HELP & INFORM YOU ALL THAT THOSE POSTS IN HER NAME WERE NOT HER SO WHY DO YOU ALL FEEL THE NEED TO DRAG HER NAME INTO SOMETHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER, 8()(((@# 8()(((@# 8()(((@#
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Can someone list what we know as fact in a quick list?
I think we know his name and he was adopted, born in 1969 and he was an O'Connell and he did commit murder with Mark Fuller and did 10 odd years or is that all we know? It is not definite that he was an OÇonnell neither is it definite that he was adopted.
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I will explain Justice on Appeal.
Kevin adopted it from Darren Bolger, I'd say about a year ago. I was also involved with it to. People who I wrote to at that time told me it had got a bad name and nobody would want to deal with it, so earlier this year, I told Kevin it might be best to shut it down, this was after a speight of letter were sent to prisoners with headed paper from JOA which weren't sent by use.
As far as I am concerned, it has been closed down. No work was EVER done by either myself or Lea Anne associated with JOA. Craigies Angels is the page on facebook which used to belong to JOA.
In it's place Kevin was supposed to opening a new charity when he went to London, this never happened and I tried to cut ties with him on the 23rd of April when I told him I was annoyed because of the money, at this point he kept calling my SKYPE phone, I didn't speak to him. He then tried to mail me via the Craigies Angels page, a couple of mails that was it. I was then blocked by him and I don't think he said much in the mails, just that he'd sent me the money and he'd lost it under a pile of papers.
With regards to Lea Anne, I think too much is being read into things. From what I know, Kevin has upset her numerous times over a 2 or 3 year period, she kept letting him off because he kept playing the victim and it's easier to be friends with him than to have him opening fake profiles and such like pretending to be her and she's kind hearted too.
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Yes it was Real Truth.
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As far as I am concerned, it has been closed down. No work was EVER done by either myself or Lea Anne associated with JOA. Craigies Angels is the page on facebook which used to belong to JOA.
With regards to Lea Anne, I think too much is being read into things. From what I know, Kevin has upset her numerous times over a 2 or 3 year period, she kept letting him off because he kept playing the victim and it's easier to be friends with him than to have him opening fake profiles and such like pretending to be her and she's kind hearted too.
So kind hearted that she's willing to allow him to continue to get away with it and do it to other vulnerable people? 8(8-))
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WHAT THE HELL AS ANY OF THIS TO DO WITH LEA SHE ONLY CAME ON HERE TO HELP & INFORM YOU ALL THAT THOSE POSTS IN HER NAME WERE NOT HER SO WHY DO YOU ALL FEEL THE NEED TO DRAG HER NAME INTO SOMETHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER, 8()(((@# 8()(((@# 8()(((@#
Must be missing something here.Thought it was only a suggestion that Lea reported to the police what she knows!
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As far as I am concerned, it has been closed down. No work was EVER done by either myself or Lea Anne associated with JOA. Craigies Angels is the page on facebook which used to belong to JOA.
With regards to Lea Anne, I think too much is being read into things. From what I know, Kevin has upset her numerous times over a 2 or 3 year period, she kept letting him off because he kept playing the victim and it's easier to be friends with him than to have him opening fake profiles and such like pretending to be her and she's kind hearted too.
Thats totally her decision isn't it? Why don't you get in touch with her and ask her, I can't answer for her.
So kind hearted that she's willing to allow him to continue to get away with it and do it to other vulnerable people? 8(8-))
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Thats Lea's decision isn't it? Would you be better asking her?
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Thats Lea's decision isn't it? Would you be better asking her?
I get it now..... Lea likes to play hit and run as well 8@??)( 8@??)( 8((()*/ 8((()*/ 8@??)( 8@??)(
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There are those that load the barrel, cock the trigger, pass the weapon over to be fired........then go screaming omg omg... a guns gone off, you hear the feigned cries as they hastily retreat. Think I would be any good at writing stories??? @)(++(*
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There are those that load the barrel, cock the trigger, pass the weapon over to be fired........then go screaming omg omg... a guns gone off, you hear the feigned cries as they hastily retreat. Think I would be any good at writing stories??? @)(++(*
Job's yours 8(0(* KC is sacked @)(++(*
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No not at all.
After whatever happened last night, it's my understanding people felt like they were on the end of attack, attack, attack. People posting via guest accounts, so you don't know really who you're dealing with and then there's the about turns and you're made to feel like you're in the wrong unless you comply with the masses ie you're ok if you report Kevin to the powers that be but if not you're as bad as him, that was the main issue. Everytime the threads get going or down a certain path, the guest count goes through the roof.
You can't force people to report things if they don't want to. I cannot speak for people, what they do is there choice.
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WHICH BIT DO YOU THICK LOT NOT GET THAT LEA DOES NOT LOAD ANY GUNS FOR ANYONE SHE ONLY CAME ON THIS FORUM TO INFORM YOU THAT SHE HAD NOT POSTED THOSE COMMENTS ATTACKING STEPH ,SO PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU SPOUT YOUR SHIT ......
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WHICH BIT DO YOU THICK LOT NOT GET THAT LEA DOES NOT LOAD ANY GUNS FOR ANYONE SHE ONLY CAME ON THIS FORUM TO INFORM YOU THAT SHE HAD NOT POSTED THOSE COMMENTS ATTACKING STEPH ,SO PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU SPOUT YOUR SHIT ......I am the only person that mentioned guns and it was referring to post by William.......moral being KC ever the victim NOT!! Story teller extraordinaire KC!
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I will explain Justice on Appeal.
Kevin adopted it from Darren Bolger, I'd say about a year ago. I was also involved with it to. People who I wrote to at that time told me it had got a bad name and nobody would want to deal with it, so earlier this year, I told Kevin it might be best to shut it down, this was after a speight of letter were sent to prisoners with headed paper from JOA which weren't sent by use.
As far as I am concerned, it has been closed down. No work was EVER done by either myself or Lea Anne associated with JOA. Craigies Angels is the page on facebook which used to belong to JOA.
In it's place Kevin was supposed to opening a new charity when he went to London, this never happened and I tried to cut ties with him on the 23rd of April when I told him I was annoyed because of the money, at this point he kept calling my SKYPE phone, I didn't speak to him. He then tried to mail me via the Craigies Angels page, a couple of mails that was it. I was then blocked by him and I don't think he said much in the mails, just that he'd sent me the money and he'd lost it under a pile of papers.
With regards to Lea Anne, I think too much is being read into things. From what I know, Kevin has upset her numerous times over a 2 or 3 year period, she kept letting him off because he kept playing the victim and it's easier to be friends with him than to have him opening fake profiles and such like pretending to be her and she's kind hearted too.
So what you are saying is Leanne's kind hearted but a bad judge of charactor? Or do you mean, she doesn't mind informing on others but likes to keep her name out of it?
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The first bit but not the bit about being a bad judge of charector, we all know what he's like, however it's easier to keep on the right side of him than not. In fact I'm begining to regret being involved with this, he's still posting merrily away without a care in the world, I didn't have anything to report him for, the only thing I could prove was that he was opening fake profiles. I just want people to know what he's like so nobody else wastes time on him.
I doubt he'll be going anywhere to be honest and i think he probably likes all the attention.
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8-)(--) Seem to have lost sight of the objective here. I thought KC was the issue, But through reading the comments some intresting questions have been posed, Joanne at what point did you become involved in Justice on Appeal, was it prior to KC taking over, or was it during the transformation ??. The reason i ask is that Lea Anns details turned up on a form concerning that charity, Lea has furiously denied any knowledge of this, and can not understand how it got there without her consent. This is in no way an attack on anyone, but it concerns KC. Were the details put there by devious means. If so it would be another nail in the coffin so to speak. ?>)()<
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I got involved AFTER Kevin took over. I didn't even know I was down on paper as being anything to do with it for a long time and I've not signed any documents to do with Justice On Appeal and nothing ever happened with it to be honest. Perhaps Lea Anne didn't know either. He told me I was down as treasurer but I don't know what my role was. All I can say is that I did a check to make sure it was really shut down because I wanted no association with it when I found out what a reputation it had.
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When people do nothing nothing happens 8(0(*
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Thanks Joanne, so it seems that Mr Craigie, was putting peoples names down on official documentation without there knowledge or consent. I wonder what the implications are for Mr Craigie concerning this. Again a comment from Kev would be appreciated. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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Its so batty isn't it and a lot of naivety on my part. I never gave it a second thought when he took over the charity, it was only later when things started to go bad that I took a step back that it did scare me. It doesn't make for good reading does it? If I was reading all this not as me it'd be 8-)(--) but thats what happened and I would make a statment to that effect if needed.
Note to slef-Joanne, wake up and smell the coffee in future.
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Its so batty isn't it and a lot of naivety on my part. I never gave it a second thought when he took over the charity, it was only later when things started to go bad that I took a step back that it did scare me. It doesn't make for good reading does it? If I was reading all this not as me it'd be 8-)(--) but thats what happened and I would make a statment to that effect if needed.
Note to slef-Joanne, wake up and smell the coffee in future.
Its criminal but the truth is slowly starting to unravel about Kevin Craigie.
If there were more brave people like you then he would have been caught out a lot sooner.
Leanne sounds like a person best avoided especially if she just sits back and watches her friends being attacked and taken advantage of.
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Just call me Bianca @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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They're not are they? Who's been taken advantage of?
Lea Anne has has plenty of trouble with Kevin, she doesn't want the hassle of posting on here when she feels she's being attacked for not going to the police, she doesn't have any solid evidence to take them only a phone and posting posts like that 'Leanne is best avoided' etc isn't going to help.
Last night, she felt like she was being attacked which is why she hasn't come back on the forum.
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Thanks Joanne, it just helps to fit the Jigsaw together concerning K.C. Jengba, & Justice on Appeal. It just confuses me that a man on a Life Licence can Risk such unlawfully activity. So you had no Knowledge that your name was associated on paper concerning Justice On Appeal, Add this to Lea Ann not being aware either, its paints a pretty bleak picture of KC.
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I didn't have any knowledge I was down on paper, I'd have though I'd have to fill paperwork out to be associated with a charity, then a friend of mine said she didn't think people on licence could run a charity anyway.
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that's my point entirely Joanne, KC and his dubious dealings, do you know any of the mechanics concerning the running of the charity and its office in London, and the guy who answered the phones, i believe he is a Friend of KCs he is on his Friends list on f/b.Just digging sorry.
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If KC had no prior knowledge of Fullers intention; as he witnessed the horrific attack on Mr Rothwell (RIP) if too scared to intervene why didn't he run out and seek help?
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Also please help me here,was this classed as a homophobic crime?
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I didn't have any knowledge I was down on paper, I'd have though I'd have to fill paperwork out to be associated with a charity, then a friend of mine said she didn't think people on licence could run a charity anyway.
Evening Joanne. Please don't be offended by what I have to say but I don't think you ever went to the police; please correct me if I'm wrong.
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that's my point entirely Joanne, KC and his dubious dealings, do you know any of the mechanics concerning the running of the charity and its office in London, and the guy who answered the phones, i believe he is a Friend of KCs he is on his Friends list on f/b.Just digging sorry.
Absolutely nothing. What I know is- Darren Boler had it, then Kevin had it. There were letters sent to prisoners asking them if they wanted JOA to take their cases on, I don't know who sent those letters. I was lead to believe it wasn't from either Kevin Lea Anne or myself. I might have been down as the treasurer. It was disolved in about March 2012.
I have that from my f/b account-:
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15 November 2011Kevin CraigieHi Joanne, I have updated The Charity Commission details and sent them everything they requested. We will need to change its name in the New Year, as it has a bad reputation down to the previous people. If we secure the necessary funding, then we could perhaps call it The Prisoners and Families Advice Bureau ?
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The police came here at 9am on Wednesday the 13ht June-last wednesday.
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Thank you Joanne, thats most intresting, Do you know if KC brought any of his own cases to the table so to speak, because if my memory serves me correctly when KC left Jengba he refused to return case papers
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Not to my knowledge, he did keep case files for Phillipa Hart, Amanda Alden, Bernard Lawrence to my knowledge. He might have kept more, those listed on another part of the forum, i think in the introduce yourself section.
I have phone numbers for some of the families-those above.
I also have a phone number of a lady called Kyati who he told me was his new solicitor and she was going to be acting for free for him.
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Not to my knowledge, he did keep case files for Phillipa Hart, Amanda Alden, Bernard Lawrence to my knowledge. He might have kept more, those listed on another part of the forum, i think in the introduce yourself section.
I have phone numbers for some of the families-those above.
I also have a phone number of a lady called Kyati who he told me was his new solicitor and she was going to be acting for free for him.
I must step in here,as one of the afore mentioned ladies family are known to me.They would be horrified to know that the troll KC has ever mentioned her name to anyone!!
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Not to my knowledge, he did keep case files for Phillipa Hart, Amanda Alden, Bernard Lawrence to my knowledge. He might have kept more, those listed on another part of the forum, i think in the introduce yourself section.
I have phone numbers for some of the families-those above.
I also have a phone number of a lady called Kyati who he told me was his new solicitor and she was going to be acting for free for him.
I think you've been brave Joanne. Don't back down now.
This man is dangerous in more ways than one; it would appear.
We've all made mistakes; goodness knows I have!
The truth is trickling out and there's an awful lot more to come 8(0(*
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Thanks Joanne, The information you are furnishing me with is most certainly missing parts to the Craigie Jig Saw.
Anything you can let have on the justice on appeal episode would be most usefull. 8((()*/ 8((()*/
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The mother of one of those ladies was also "conned " into sending monies to KC.A vulnerable woman that listened with empathy to his down on his luck stories!
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I dont have much about JOA, nothing much happened he was too busy slating JENGbA.
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I dont have much about JOA, nothing much happened he was too busy slating JENGbA. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Have you any Paperwork or has it all been disposed of Joanne, Bank Books or the like more especially paying in books, but they would be unused knowing KC @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I never saw any of the JOA paperwork. I don't think it had any income, not while Kevin had it and I don't think it had any money when he got it from Darren either, they were an even match.
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Sorry to interupt the flow of debate but did this have something to do with Craigie as well?
“Those outside prison fighting one another, will only hurt those inside fighting to get out. The present actions of JENGBA are unacceptable to MOJUK and can only damage prisoners and those supporting them!
If you are supporting someone in prison a victim of 'Joint Enterprise' you are now being forced by JENGBA to make a choice. If MOJUK had to make a choice or advise someone inside which organization might best represent the fight against 'Joint Enterprise' cases it would be to seek help from the newly formed National Joint Enterprise Casework Service (NJEC).
MOJUK fully supports the posting below from INNOCENT
To members of INNOCENT
This is a reminder that our next meeting will be on Wednesday, 7 March, starting at 7.00 pm, in the usual venue the Royal Oak pub in Union Street, Oldham OL1 1EN.
Members of INNOCENT have noticed that another meeting has been arranged in Manchester on the same date and at the same time by Gloria Morrison and Janet Cunliffe, who are members of JENGBA (Joint Enterprise Not Guilty By Association). This is the first of a series of meetings arranged to coincide with ours. JENGBA has contacted members of INNOCENT and urged them to attend their meetings rather than ours.
We have asked Gloria and Janet to change the date of their meetings so that INNOCENT members can attend meetings of both organisations if they wish, and do not feel forced into choosing one organisation over another. But they have flatly refused to change their meetings to different dates.
We have been saddened by the discovery that this is a deliberately hostile act. We would like to ignore this childish behaviour and we hope that all INNOCENT members will do so. JENGBA has an excellent record of publicising the terrible and frightening way in which the joint enterprise law is being used to convict innocent people, and we would not wish to prevent members of INNOCENT whose cases involve the use of joint enterprise law from participating in JENGBA's activities. The aims of INNOCENT and the aims of JENGBA are completely compatible.
But although JENGBA offers to help people with their cases, in practice it does not help anyone, and we know of no cases which it has helped to progress in any way. INNOCENT, on the other hand, has a 19 year record of helping with cases, some of which have progressed to successful appeals and the release of innocent prisoners.
Members of INNOCENT know that our meetings are of key importance for our casework. In meetings we exchange information, are brought up to date on cases, clarify the details of what has happened in them, and give support to families. It is essential that members attend meetings if they possibly can. We cannot guarantee to continue supporting cases if the families or supporters concerned stop attending our meetings.
We look forward to seeing you all on 7 March and on subsequent regular meetings of INNOCENT.
Andrew Green
Secretary
INNOCENT / <innocent@uk2.net>
challenging miscarriages of justice since 1993
End of Bulletin
Source for this message:
INNOCENT
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That was after Kevin, that letter was between october last year and March this year because I remember Kevin's delight when he though JENGbA were disbanding.
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Yet Jengba is under the umberella of LAI which is:http://www.londonagainstinjustice.co.uk/contactus.html
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What a mess!!!
Craigie slipped up when he met Karen Torley....... @)(++(* Little did he know he was being played by one of the biggest players around..... @)(++(*
Karma.... 8(0(*
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What a mess!!!
Craigie slipped up when he met Karen Torley....... @)(++(* Little did he know he was being played by one of the biggest players around..... @)(++(*
Karma.... 8(0(*
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Seems to me as the proverb goes:" they all $#!^ in the same pot"! Least on this forum the truth has been allowed out.
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Seems to me as the proverb goes:" they all $#!^ in the same pot"! Least on this forum the truth has been allowed out.
Half the truth 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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Tonight I have actually cried thinking of all those suffering in jail clinging to the hope they are going to be helped by the reptillian KC and others like him! 8)><( Besides the reality of just how vulnerable you are as a supporter of a MOJ. No doubt there is a lot more TRUTH to come.The sooner the better.
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Joanne you have filled a lot of the blank pieces tonight, but there is still a wealth of imformation to unearth regards KC. Information that has now ended up smack bang at Jengba's door. Ie had that organisation and those connected with it Checked Mr KC's credentials, a lot of pain and suffering could have been averted.
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Tonight I have actually cried thinking of all those suffering in jail clinging to the hope they are going to be helped by the reptillian KC and others like him! 8)><( Besides the reality of just how vulnerable you are as a supporter of a MOJ. No doubt there is a lot more TRUTH to come.The sooner the better.
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Thanks Joanne, it just helps to fit the Jigsaw together concerning K.C. Jengba, & Justice on Appeal. It just confuses me that a man on a Life Licence can Risk such unlawfully activity. So you had no Knowledge that your name was associated on paper concerning Justice On Appeal, Add this to Lea Ann not being aware either, its paints a pretty bleak picture of KC.
Morning all. That's a very interesting point Peteats, something just doesn't sound right to me about all of this. I also believe that there was no income declared by the charity in its returns up to April 2012 which again doesn't ring true. I will have a closer look at this later.
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The Darren Martin appeal received several hundreds in donations. They sought £3000. These commercial advertisers obviously do not receive his service free of charge.
When I was M.D of a charity I would never contemplate asking service users for money, I approached the wealthy and multinationals.
That was Kevin's post on the Billy Middleton Thread.
It looks even worse from here John ?8)@)-)
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Off topic, but arent there a lot of Cat lovers on here. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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I am yes.
Nothing Meant or implied, just an observation. Again It makes me think of Craige and the Cat site. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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The Darren Martin appeal received several hundreds in donations. They sought £3000. These commercial advertisers obviously do not receive his service free of charge.
When I was M.D of a charity I would never contemplate asking service users for money, I approached the wealthy and multinationals.
That was Kevin's post on the Billy Middleton Thread.
It looks even worse from here John ?8)@)-)
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I wonder if anybody knows what K.C.s actual involvement in Jengba was, i do recall a conversation where he was Given funds by the Organisation. Kevin would be the best person to answer that though. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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I wonder if anybody knows what K.C.s actual involvement in Jengba was, i do recall a conversation where he was Given funds by the Organisation. Kevin would be the best person to answer that though. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
that wont happen...perhaps the best people to get those answers from ar JENGBA themselves...if they want to answer that is 8(0(*
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I wonder if anybody knows what K.C.s actual involvement in Jengba was, i do recall a conversation where he was Given funds by the Organisation. Kevin would be the best person to answer that though. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
that wont happen...perhaps the best people to get those answers from ar JENGBA themselves...if they want to answer that is 8(0(*
Been that route, they become very tight lipped where K.C. and finances are concerned. 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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more crap from KC ...trying to be someone else...i think he has very severe identity crisis going on ....
31/5/2012 Kevin Craigie - maximus6955@hotmail.com
These "organisations" they accomplish absolutely nothing.
It is all "hot air". They say they will do this and they will do that and do the next thing and then do the next this, then that then this. We wait patiently. What do we get in return ? Nothing really. It is all just complete nonsensical really. What I do have some faith in is that when Kevin Craigie says he will do this and that and the next thing..he does it.Thats a good thing as he does what he actually says he will do really.
haha carry on kevin ...you plank
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more crap from KC ...trying to be someone else...i think he has very severe identity crisis going on ....
31/5/2012 Kevin Craigie - maximus6955@hotmail.com
These "organisations" they accomplish absolutely nothing.
It is all "hot air". They say they will do this and they will do that and do the next thing and then do the next this, then that then this. We wait patiently. What do we get in return ? Nothing really. It is all just complete nonsensical really. What I do have some faith in is that when Kevin Craigie says he will do this and that and the next thing..he does it.Thats a good thing as he does what he actually says he will do really.
haha carry on kevin ...you plank
here's the full link
http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=1207&c=murder_conspiracy__joint_enterprise
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22/5/2011 Dominic De Rothschild
Kevin Craigie is a saviour, thats why my Father Nathaniel De Rothschild invested in Kevins education. You did us proud Kevin
http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=874&c=its_yesterday_once_more
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and another...see he ran back then too
13/5/2011 4Real
I understand that the savage attacks Mr.C made, were on another forum,where he delighted in waging personal attacks on families and those suffering injustice.Reason of sanity,maybe just for that reason, omitted that Mr.C's despicable behaviour led to serious doubts about him.
Maybe Mr.Craigie's true character is yet unknown to his supporters!
It might well be true that Mr.C like many others has earned a law degree.It does not automatically follow that he will achieve results!
A dog is a dog,however it is very doubtful a poodle run against greyhounds would win any track races!
Mr.C,is there any chance you might supply further details of your JE case?
http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=931&c=heaven_from_hell
full article
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and here he wants to re-invent himself without his past affecting him
6/12/2011 Kevin Craigie - kevincraigie@hotmail.co.uk
When I was released I had to see Probation every week. They would insist that I signed a pink piece of paper confirming the next appointment. Where it stated NAME OF OFFENDER, I would score out the word OFFENDER, as I am most certainly Not Guilty. I continue the practice to this day. When I studied Social Policy with the Open University it covered what was called social constructionism and reinforcement. This is exactly why it states the unnecessary word OFFENDER....to constantly "Label" and consequently "Reinforce" everything associated with it. Perhaps one day, if more intelligent people are making decisions it will be recognised as counterproductive, destructive and removed. Then people who seriously want to reinvent themselves and bandoning their criminal past and lifestyles will be able to do so minus "OFFENDER" being repetitively stamped on their conscience.
http://www.insidetime.org/mailbag.asp?a=618&c=who_are_you_calling_an_offender
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7/5/2011 Kevin Craigie - kevincraigie@live.co.uk
The Judge also violates the Human Rights Act and rejects the jury's requests to acquit the innocent and convict the guilty.
In the 1990's people with integrity, morals and principles gave me that essential drive and passion to challenge injustice. People like Ludovic Kennedy, Paul Foot, Iris Bentley, and Helena Kennedy to name a few. Edward Fitzgerald and John Smith were other influential figures in my life. When I naively decided to assist JENGbA, I assumed they too had the same calibre. I worked over 12 hours a day, all free of charge. I complied their constitution, I devised their questionnaire (64 questions). I recommended personal Lawyers, people I have known for many many years.I advised them prior to each media interview, and listened to my words and sentiments, all coming from other people......people who have been in this particular field for less than a year. When I resigned, I did so as my conscience dictated that such a decision was in the interests of genuinely innocent people. I look forward to operating independantly, without suffocating constraints from amateurs. I also look forward to securing real results, which I am confident of gaining. I can do without the likes of ceratin Facebook addicts, trying to dictate to me what I should and should not do. Sad individuals, with no insight, knowledge or vision.Once I decide on my own organisations name, I shall let everyone know. I considerably appreciate the genuine support, from all you genuine souls out there who have supported me in order to support a far more civilised judicial system. As my Grandmother once told me " Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else"
http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=940&c=the_role_of_the_internet_in_fighting_a_miscarriage_of_justice
so good of you to do so much work for JENBGA !!!we cant wait for your results kevin !!!
oh and these people that you refer to had VISION, INSIGHT AND KNOWLEDGE ...thats why you ran from the truth again
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and here he wants to re-invent himself without his past affecting him
6/12/2011 Kevin Craigie - kevincraigie@hotmail.co.uk
When I was released I had to see Probation every week. They would insist that I signed a pink piece of paper confirming the next appointment. Where it stated NAME OF OFFENDER, I would score out the word OFFENDER, as I am most certainly Not Guilty. I continue the practice to this day. When I studied Social Policy with the Open University it covered what was called social constructionism and reinforcement. This is exactly why it states the unnecessary word OFFENDER....to constantly "Label" and consequently "Reinforce" everything associated with it. Perhaps one day, if more intelligent people are making decisions it will be recognised as counterproductive, destructive and removed. Then people who seriously want to reinvent themselves and bandoning their criminal past and lifestyles will be able to do so minus "OFFENDER" being repetitively stamped on their conscience.
http://www.insidetime.org/mailbag.asp?a=618&c=who_are_you_calling_an_offender
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and another...see he ran back then too
13/5/2011 4Real
I understand that the savage attacks Mr.C made, were on another forum,where he delighted in waging personal attacks on families and those suffering injustice.Reason of sanity,maybe just for that reason, omitted that Mr.C's despicable behaviour led to serious doubts about him.
Maybe Mr.Craigie's true character is yet unknown to his supporters!
It might well be true that Mr.C like many others has earned a law degree.It does not automatically follow that he will achieve results!
A dog is a dog,however it is very doubtful a poodle run against greyhounds would win any track races!
Mr.C,is there any chance you might supply further details of your JE case?
http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=931&c=heaven_from_hell
full article
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oh and these people dont exist
22/5/2011 Dominic De Rothschild
Kevin Craigie is a saviour, thats why my Father Nathaniel De Rothschild invested in Kevins education. You did us proud Kevin
http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=874&c=its_yesterday_once_more
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more crap from KC ...trying to be someone else...i think he has very severe identity crisis going on ....
31/5/2012 Kevin Craigie - maximus6955@hotmail.com
These "organisations" they accomplish absolutely nothing.
It is all "hot air". They say they will do this and they will do that and do the next thing and then do the next this, then that then this. We wait patiently. What do we get in return ? Nothing really. It is all just complete nonsensical really. What I do have some faith in is that when Kevin Craigie says he will do this and that and the next thing..he does it.Thats a good thing as he does what he actually says he will do really.
haha carry on kevin ...you plank
here's the full link
http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=1207&c=murder_conspiracy__joint_enterprise
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I think I've got a gold cup in that one and I suspect many other have too but he can't be allowed to carry on doing it to other people.
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i understand he REALLY likes animals 8(0(*...well he is playing like a rat, and running for cover @)(++(*
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I think I've got a gold cup in that one and I suspect many other have too but he can't be allowed to carry on doing it to other people.
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Cat got your tongue Kevin? @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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i understand he REALLY likes animals 8(0(*...well he is playing like a rat, and running for cover @)(++(*
Cat got your tongue Kevin? @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
HOPE HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT 8)--)) I WOULD GIVE THAT CAT A BIG BOWL OF CREAM 8@??)(
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I do that in Court representing clients, but on these forums its madness
will remain consciously calm, lead them in then wham
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News reports coming in................................
Craigie's Angels have disappeared into the ether @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Further news coming in................................
The person known as Kevin Craigie aka Soloman, Jack, badger, Scary Mary, Nathaniel..... has gone on the missing list.
Locals have been asked to report any sightings of this man to the authorities @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Craigies Angels
I do that in Court representing clients, but on these forums its madness
will remain consciously calm, lead them in then wham
"Will remain consciously calm, lead them on then wham!"
Poor Mr Rotherwell (RIP) KC remained "consciously calm, lead him on then wham." 8(8-))
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Whats the name of the site he's opened? Does anyone know?
His new website being set up by Karen Torley.
http://kevincraigie.webs.com/
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News reports coming in................................
Craigie's Angels have disappeared into the ether @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Further news coming in................................
The person known as Kevin Craigie aka Soloman, Jack, badger, Scary Mary, Nathaniel..... has gone on the missing list.
Locals have been asked to report any sightings of this man to the authorities @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
i seem to have a BLINDING HEADACHE and cant see far ....shame , he will be missing not missed ?{)(**
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Craigies Angels are back, he must have got home from the day job!
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Craigies Angels are back, he must have got home from the day job!
He's playing with you as such people do. 8(0(*
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Whats the name of the site he's opened? Does anyone know?
His new website being set up by Karen Torley.
http://kevincraigie.webs.com/
Troll KT will regret putting her name to that website @)(++(*
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more crap from KC ...trying to be someone else...i think he has very severe identity crisis going on ....
31/5/2012 Kevin Craigie - maximus6955@hotmail.com
These "organisations" they accomplish absolutely nothing.
It is all "hot air". They say they will do this and they will do that and do the next thing and then do the next this, then that then this. We wait patiently. What do we get in return ? Nothing really. It is all just complete nonsensical really. What I do have some faith in is that when Kevin Craigie says he will do this and that and the next thing..he does it.Thats a good thing as he does what he actually says he will do really. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
haha carry on kevin ...you plank
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and another...see he ran back then too
13/5/2011 4Real
I understand that the savage attacks Mr.C made, were on another forum,where he delighted in waging personal attacks on families and those suffering injustice.Reason of sanity,maybe just for that reason, omitted that Mr.C's despicable behaviour led to serious doubts about him.
Maybe Mr.Craigie's true character is yet unknown to his supporters!
It might well be true that Mr.C like many others has earned a law degree.It does not automatically follow that he will achieve results! 8((()*/ 8@??)( @)(++(* ?{)(** 8**8:/:
A dog is a dog,however it is very doubtful a poodle run against greyhounds would win any track races!
Mr.C,is there any chance you might supply further details of your JE case?
http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=931&c=heaven_from_hell
full article
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KC manipulates every situation to his advantage.I do know that whilst part of Jengba,as their case worker 8)-))) he was funded by them,in as much as they provided him with a laptop, mobile phone,paid his phone bill and fares to attend meetings.By his admission he received sickness benefit too. Hmm! yet he cried to a vulnerable woman that his laptop needed repairing, she sent him money she could ill afford!! Not once, not twice whether or not she continued after being informed of his true nature is anyones guess! Jengba had just bought the laptop it was still under guarantee!! At a Jengba meeting he attended a woman offered him money to help her with the MOJ she supported.The money was displayed, unsure if it was handed over,might be that took place in privacy? Moral of this story is, put all we know about Craigie's past to one side,he continues to manipulate.He is the very SAME despicable person that we have read about in his posted statements regarding the horrific murder of Mr Rothwell RIP.He was dangerous then and my opinion, he is dangerous now.
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KC manipulates every situation to his advantage.I do know that whilst part of Jengba,as their case worker 8)-))) he was funded by them,in as much as they provided him with a laptop, mobile phone,paid his phone bill and fares to attend meetings.By his admission he received sickness benefit too. Hmm! yet he cried to a vulnerable woman that his laptop needed repairing, she sent him money she could ill afford!! Not once, not twice whether or not she continued after being informed of his true nature is anyones guess! Jengba had just bought the laptop it was still under guarantee!! At a Jengba meeting he attended a woman offered him money to help her with the MOJ she supported.The money was displayed, unsure if it was handed over,might be that took place in privacy? Moral of this story is, put all we know about Craigie's past to one side,he continues to manipulate.He is the very SAME despicable person that we have read about in his posted statements regarding the horrific murder of Mr Rothwell RIP.He was dangerous then and my opinion, he is dangerous now.
Amen to that Realtruth! This man is DANGEROUS!!! and anyone knowingly aiding and abetting him; knowing what he is like, is as dangerous...!!!!! IMHO
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The situation continues to get worse. The man's a *u*t, I'm sorry. Robbing from someone like that to pay for fake repairs, it sounds to me that he was in JENGbA for his own ends with no intention of helping people-why did he leave? Was he sacked?
I don't know what else to say, the man's a total ****. I wish I could get the money back to whoever he took it off but there's no way I can afford it, was it someone he was supposed to be representing too?
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Joanne,your realisation of the despicable KC is only just beginning 8(8-)) Thank goodness that you had the intelligence to question and the conviction to discuss it.
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Joanne,your realisation of the despicable KC is only just beginning 8(8-)) Thank goodness that you had the intelligence to question and the conviction to discuss it.
Joanne this man is a criminal manipulator. He is implicated in one of the most serious crimes to human kind. He has infiltrated groups which fights to clear innocent people. He is not innocent of anything, never was never will be. He has then gone on to surround himself with vulnerable individuals, including family and friends of those wrongly convicted. He has committed fraud and all his crimes have so far gone without punishment.
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He was sacked from Jengba
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I've known a while that 'little' things didn't add up and I never really got straight answers to things even when I tried trawling the net on his JENGbA work, his crime (which I didn't know the details of until I was told on here) and no one else sempt to know either.
I never though it would be this bad and so many other people would be affected. The list goes on of his victims and of things he's done. 8(8-))
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Anyone genuinely concerned about miscarriages of justice ought to have a look at my contemplated assertions, published on my page. Ex collegaues at the Equality and Human Rights Commission...Citizens Advice Bureau, will be contributing too. As promised, I shall never let any of you down.....Kevin Craigie
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Danyl O'Connell another name he has used.
Danyl O'Connell
Anyone genuinely concerned about miscarriages of justice ought to have a look at my contemplated assertions, published on my page. Ex collegaues at the Equality and Human Rights Commission...Citizens Advice Bureau, will be contributing too. As promised, I shall never let any of you down.....Kevin Craigie
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Rosemarie Leclerc @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* Is He /She still about.
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Danyl O'Connell another name he has used.
Danyl O'Connell
Anyone genuinely concerned about miscarriages of justice ought to have a look at my contemplated assertions, published on my page. Ex collegaues at the Equality and Human Rights Commission...Citizens Advice Bureau, will be contributing too. As promised, I shall never let any of you down.....Kevin Craigie
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now that's interesting,, as the person who was named on JOA paperwork at the Charity Commission, used to work at Equality and Human Rights Commission derby !!!! wonder if he knew his name was being used by KC
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2010
Started Working at Self Employed and Loving It!
Left Job at Derby Racial Equality Council
2008
Started Working at Derby Racial Equality Council
2006
Graduated from Nottingham Trent
1991
Graduated from Manchester Metropolitan University
1990
Left Job at nacro
1988
Started Working at nacro
1987
Graduated from University of Sheffield
1984
Graduated from Handsworth Grammar School
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Is there any truth in the rumour that Kevin is changing the name of his facebook page to Craigies YoYo's as it seems the Craigies Angel page is up and down like a Wh---e's Knickers. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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do we actually know for sure if this upstanding man @)(++(* @)(++(* is defiantly now working for CAB.
I would defo like to pop along and discuss my HIV..............................ISS Vest. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8NDt85cHQw
Saw this and thought of you K.C. I wonder why 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8**8:/: 8**8:/: 8**8:/: 8**8:/: 8**8:/: 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) Theres some big gaps there in the timeline.
We definately know he stands up, upstanding is another matter.
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Wrong quote, oh dear.
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Hello im intrigued as to whether this kc sleeping at xxxxxx house has anything to do with this?
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I think I've got a gold cup in that one and I suspect many other have too but he can't be allowed to carry on doing it to other people.
I don't think you hold the gold cup Joanne... You were very lucky and clearly wise enough to not be taken in eventually!
It looks to me like the gold cup belongs in the hands of someone else.... 8(0(*
Think sum1s turned up to collect that cup 8(0(*
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Hello im intrigued as to whether this kc sleeping at xxxxxxs house has anything to do with this?
Maybe you would like to tell us 8(0(*
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Hello im intrigued as to whether this kc sleeping at xxxxxxxs house has anything to do with this?
Hello leanne should come and join the forum we will welcome her and not allow KC to attack her
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Lea Annes profile was deleted over the weekend apparently and she was expecting either an e-mail or phone call from Admin on here which wasn't forth coming, so if somone wants to call her, she is willing to repost.
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Whose CV is this???
2010
Started Working at Self Employed and Loving It!
Left Job at Derby Racial Equality Council
2008
Started Working at Derby Racial Equality Council
2006
Graduated from Nottingham Trent
1991
Graduated from Manchester Metropolitan University
1990
Left Job at nacro
1988
Started Working at nacro
1987
Graduated from University of Sheffield
1984
Graduated from Handsworth Grammar School
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Lea Annes profile was deleted over the weekend apparently and she was expecting either an e-mail or phone call from Admin on here which wasn't forth coming, so if somone wants to call her, she is willing to repost.
Leanne is welcome to post at any time. I can confirm that her account was expunged by admin at her request but if she wishes to re register there will not be a problem.
Could I just say though that Leanne should be making her own views known and not bringing 3rd parties into it.
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Lea Annes profile was deleted over the weekend apparently and she was expecting either an e-mail or phone call from Admin on here which wasn't forth coming, so if somone wants to call her, she is willing to repost.
This forum is all singing and all dancing but telephone calls from Admin 8-)(--) thats pushing it isnt it? 8-)(--) Must be reserved for VIP's 8(0(*
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I will let her know.
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vampire flunky had a hissy fit?
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Does anyone know anything about the job KC has supposedly got? Where it is, is it paid etc?
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ANALYSIS: A headline on the BBC’s website yesterday reads: ‘Websites to be forced to identify trolls under new measures’, writes Paul Bernal. Beneath it, the first sentence says something somewhat different: ‘Websites will soon be forced to identify people who have posted defamatory messages online.’
You can read about the Nicola Brookes case and the groundbreaking legal fight to bring online bullies to justice on the JusticeGap HERE.
It’s interesting that the two ideas are considered equivalent. Are ‘trolls’ those who post defamatory messages online? Are those who post defamatory messages online ‘trolls’? Neither of those statements are really true – though of course the idea of a ‘troll’ is something that’s hard to define with any precision. Trolls, for me at least (and I’m a bit of an old hand in internet terms), are people who try to provoke and offend, to get people to ‘bite’ – not necessarily or even particularly regularly through the use of defamation. They use a variety of tactics, from just saying stupid and annoying things to the most direct and offensive – and intimidating – things imaginable. Defamation may indeed be one of their tools, but at best it’s a side issue.
Taking that a step further, the trigger for this suggestion appears to have been the Nicola Brookes case – which was about bullying, abuse and harassment much more than it was about defamation. Of course being called a paedophile and a drug-dealer is technically defamatory, but I don’t think defamation was what bothered Nicola Brookes. She wasn’t worrying about her reputation – she was worried about being harassed and bullied. As she put it: ‘The abuse is absolutely horrendous… They literally torture people – they invade your life… steal your identity… spread malicious things.’
It’s not about defamation
So why are the stories about defamation – and why is Ken Clarke suggesting changes to the Defamation Bill to deal with them? Are there other motives here? Is there something quite different going on? I suspect so – and I fear that this may be yet another attempt to use a hideous event to bring in powers that can and will be used for something quite different from that which the event concerns.
We already have the law to deal with trolls and bullies – which is why Nicola Brookes got her court order, and why the man who trolled Louise Mensch was convicted, and quite rightly, in my opinion. There are significant issues to deal with – not least, as Brookes and her lawyer, Rupinder Bains, stressed, the police need resources, training and support in dealing with these issues, and services like Facebook need to take their responsibilities seriously – but we don’t need new law and we need to be careful that we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Anonymity matters
Harassment and bullying need dealing with – but we have to be very careful about how we balance things here. Anonymity may sometimes be used to cloak bullies and trolls – but it is also crucial to protect whistleblowers, to protect victims of domestic abuse from being tracked down by their abusers, to enable people to express important and valid opinions without fear of oppression or retribution. This is particularly important on the internet. Some of the best blogs are anonymous – the late lamented Nightjack blog is just one example – and their anonymity can be a key to their success, and their importance. Through anonymity truth can be brought out – and without it, much would be lost.
Even the knowledge that anonymity may be broken could have a chilling effect. Would people feel free to express themselves, particularly in difficult circumstances, if they believed that by doing so they would expose themselves?
The importance of this may not appear obvious in a country like ours – but the situation can be very different in other places. In Mexico, for example, where anonymous bloggers campaign against the depredations of the drugs cartels – and where if that anonymity is lost, so are their lives: at least four have been killed so far. And what about in places like China? Or even Syria? The extremes demonstrate the point – and when situations become more extreme, even ‘liberal’ governments can reveal their authoritarian tendencies. We need to be sure that we don’t set in place the infrastructure – both legal and technical – that allows those authoritarian tendencies to be used too easily. My favourite quote on the subject, from cryptography and internet security expert Bruce Schneier, is particularly apt. As he put it, in his blog back in 2007:
‘It’s bad civic hygiene to build an infrastructure that can be used to facilitate a police state.’
Acting to give too many powers to break anonymity would be a step in this direction – in the wrong hands, it could be potentially devastating. The additional confusion between defamation and trolling should start the alarm bells ringing – we need clarity here, not confusion. We need to be clear whenever we look to bring in new laws, but particularly when those laws will restrict freedoms. The ability to be anonymous on the internet is an important freedom: we need to be very careful about how and when to restrict that freedom.
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Then there was this @)(++(* @)(++(*
Kevin Craigie
28 April 15:33
On Monday I took my new Dog out for a walk, enjoying the sunshine and watching him swimming i the river. A large group of people surrounded us and threatened to kill us both if I did not hand over my mobile and cash. One of them attempted to stab my Dog, and obviously I protected him. The knife cut my hand. Another one lunged at me with a knife, and I managed to get out the way. They then commenced kicking and punching me, trying to get me nearer the river. The public came to me assistance, and several of them have given witness statements. They have two of them in custody. Ironic, on the eve of my supposed speech I am attacked by those who are genuinely guilty of Joint Enterprise. It turned put they had been threatening people for several hours, even a man with his 6month old Baby and also an elderly couple walking their Dog. It gets better, the Dogs owners decided they missed him, and took him back yesterday. I be fine in a couple of days, as resiliant.
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8-)(--) after reading the shocking statements of KC's involvement in the murder of Mr Rothwell RIP am left wondering if the House of Commons wasn't where KC wanted to give his speech.
Then there was this @)(++(* @)(++(*
Kevin Craigie
28 April 15:33
On Monday I took my new Dog out for a walk, enjoying the sunshine and watching him swimming i the river. A large group of people surrounded us and threatened to kill us both if I did not hand over my mobile and cash. One of them attempted to stab my Dog, and obviously I protected him. The knife cut my hand. Another one lunged at me with a knife, and I managed to get out the way. They then commenced kicking and punching me, trying to get me nearer the river. The public came to me assistance, and several of them have given witness statements. They have two of them in custody. Ironic, on the eve of my supposed speech I am attacked by those who are genuinely guilty of Joint Enterprise. It turned put they had been threatening people for several hours, even a man with his 6month old Baby and also an elderly couple walking their Dog. It gets better, the Dogs owners decided they missed him, and took him back yesterday. I be fine in a couple of days, as resiliant.
Least when Leanne tells her stories they're believable. Poppy cock 8(8-)) Wot a monster 8(8-))
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Was that April this year? NO 2011
.............if only Mr Rothwell had managed to "get out of the way" RIP
Believe I read somewhere in the statements that in that shocking sequence of events KC got a hand injury too?
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He didn't have much luck did he last year? An attack in the park, heart attack, suspected brugada syndrome...... 8)><(
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He didn't have much luck did he last year? An attack in the park, heart attack, suspected brugada syndrome...... 8)><(
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I take it he hacked the FB account of one of the vulnerable women he attacked from Jengba? She still said nothing? 8(8-))
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He didn't have much luck did he last year? An attack in the park, heart attack, suspected brugada syndrome...... 8)><(
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How strange every time K.C. is due to appear in the public eye something happens to him. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(+
I take it he hacked the FB account of one of the vulnerable women he attacked from Jengba? She still said nothing? 8(8-))
How silly to say nothing.Were they aware it was KC?
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How strange every time K.C. is due to appear in the public eye something happens to him. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(+
I take it he hacked the FB account of one of the vulnerable women he attacked from Jengba? She still said nothing? 8(8-))
How silly to say nothing.Were they aware it was KC?
What do you reckon?
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LOL House of Commons would surely have been the right venue to air his MOJ case derr; maybe not,he might have had to tell the truthful account @)(++(* @)(++(* wouldn't have gone down too well!
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LOL House of Commons would surely have been the right venue to air his MOJ case derr; maybe not,he might have had to tell the truthful account @)(++(* @)(++(* wouldn't have gone down too well!
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They probably would have all known Mr Rothwell (rip). 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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I wonder where (if he is) he's working and if it needed a crb check and if so, what name he used? Surely, he can't possibly work with vulnerable people can he?
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I was thinking more on the lines that had the MP'S researched such a terrible MOJ as the spin KC spouts they would have had him recalled possibly to Broadmoor.
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So it appears from what i have read he is back working for the CAB. Was it not the CAB who labeled him Frank Spencer. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* The mind boggles...
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I was thinking more on the lines that had the MP'S researched such a terrible MOJ as the spin KC spouts they would have had him recalled possibly to Broadmoor.
HMP Rampton. 8)--)) 8)--)) 8)--))
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I wonder where (if he is) he's working and if it needed a crb check and if so, what name he used? Surely, he can't possibly work with vulnerable people can he?
Anyone working with vulnerable people has to have a crb check.
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http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/CAB-made-me-sound-like-Frank-Spencer-.htm
So, how does he avoid the CRB check? What name is he giving?
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untrue.he supplies a lot of personal info especially what he wants you to know,just before he asks you to lend him a tenner @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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So, how does he avoid the CRB check? What name is he giving?
Frank Spencer senior @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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untrue.he supplies a lot of personal info especially what he wants you to know,just before he asks you to lend him a tenner @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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So, how does he avoid the CRB check? What name is he giving?
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Except Mr Craigie, He doesn't supply personal information to anyone, His words not mine.
untrue.he supplies a lot of personal info especially what he wants you to know,just before he asks you to lend him a tenner @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Is it still only a tenner, what with inflation thats a bargain @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Don't receive sick benfeit, and don't ever ask anyone to lend me money. Roll on XXXXX, your poison chalice does not work here
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Mind what with over 6000 " Friends " over facebook, 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) Off to add some Friends on Facebook i thinks @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
6000 x a tenner 8((()*/ 8((()*/ 8((()*/ 8((()*/ i feel a shopping trip coming on...... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Joanne, real truth, im so hungry i havent eaten for a week, could you both lend me a tenner please @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Joanne, real truth, im so hungry i havent eaten for a week, could you both lend me a tenner please @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
I will of course pay it back before i lose it under a pile of paperwork or my comp crashes.
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Of course, would you like £20?! @)(++(*
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KC prefers bank transfer, then he doesn't have to wait even on a saturday! Shouls I post his details, so you can all send him something!? @)(++(*
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KC prefers bank transfer, then he doesn't have to wait even on a saturday! Shouls I post his details, so you can all send him something!? @)(++(*
NO NO NO NO NO PICK ME ITS MY TURN 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(*
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Of course, would you like £20?! @)(++(*
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wouldn't you prefer it as a direct cash transaction into your account?Then all you have to do is collect no need for a face to face thank you @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Of course, would you like £20?! @)(++(*
Can you deliver ??????
wouldn't you prefer it as a direct cash transaction into your account?Then all you have to do is collect no need for a face to face thank you @)(++(* @)(++(*
No my ways best then you can pay for the coffee to @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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6000 x £10 = £60,000. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) lightning can strike twice you know!
Do you have to keep interupting, I'm trying to add Friends on facebook here. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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6000 x £10 = £60,000. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) lightning can strike twice you know!
Do you have to keep interupting, I'm trying to add Friends on facebook here. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
you do understand that you need influential friends too
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Am I right in thinking that Mr Craigie is deeply dodgy, and Steph was right all along? Is there any chance that Mr Craigie could come on here and defend himself?
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Am I right in thinking that Mr Craigie is deeply dodgy, and Steph was right all along? Is there any chance that Mr Craigie could come on here and defend himself?
@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* Now thats funny ....
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6000 x £10 = £60,000. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) lightning can strike twice you know!
Do you have to keep interupting, I'm trying to add Friends on facebook here. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
you do understand that you need influential friends too
I have got influential friends I know Kevin Craigie. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Am I right in thinking that Mr Craigie is deeply dodgy, and Steph was right all along? Is there any chance that Mr Craigie could come on here and defend himself?
Shona you hit the nail on he head...KC in demand to answer Q's apparently not in the house! Guess he has eyes on here though @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Am I right in thinking that Mr Craigie is deeply dodgy, and Steph was right all along? Is there any chance that Mr Craigie could come on here and defend himself?
Shona you hit the nail on he head...KC in demand to answer Q's apparently not in the house! Guess he has eyes on here though @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
To be fair he is only looking after his investments @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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peteats think you did a typo KC is influencing, influences the vulnerable to lend him a tenner @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Am I right in thinking that Mr Craigie is deeply dodgy, and Steph was right all along? Is there any chance that Mr Craigie could come on here and defend himself?
Shona you hit the nail on he head...KC in demand to answer Q's apparently not in the house! Guess he has eyes on here though @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
To be fair he is only looking after his investments @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I think it has been well and truely proved that he is a con man of the first degree. But i believe he is writing a book. So no doubt he will give us a few tips @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Am I right in thinking that Mr Craigie is deeply dodgy, and Steph was right all along? Is there any chance that Mr Craigie could come on here and defend himself?
Shona you hit the nail on he head...KC in demand to answer Q's apparently not in the house! Guess he has eyes on here though @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
I'm sure he does. He seems to generate a lot of interest on here!! If he's genuine, he'll fight his corner. If not, I'm guessing he wears girly pants, and hides behind aliases.
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peteats think you did a typo KC is influencing, influences the vulnerable to lend him a tenner @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I think it has been well and truely proved that he is a con man of the first degree. But i believe he is writing a book. So no doubt he will give us a few tips @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
KC and the money factory @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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on a serious note Joanne Peteats what CAB office does he work at.I don't often get a CAB but will avoid that firm and if am in that area will use public transport @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Am I right in thinking that Mr Craigie is deeply dodgy, and Steph was right all along? Is there any chance that Mr Craigie could come on here and defend himself?
Shona you hit the nail on he head...KC in demand to answer Q's apparently not in the house! Guess he has eyes on here though @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
nothing new then yet I had heard it said hewears boxers too! @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
I'm sure he does. He seems to generate a lot of interest on here!! If he's genuine, he'll fight his corner. If not, I'm guessing he wears girly pants, and hides behind aliases.
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Am I right in thinking that Mr Craigie is deeply dodgy, and Steph was right all along? Is there any chance that Mr Craigie could come on here and defend himself?
Shona you hit the nail on he head...KC in demand to answer Q's apparently not in the house! Guess he has eyes on here though @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
No he wears Blue Boxers @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
I'm sure he does. He seems to generate a lot of interest on here!! If he's genuine, he'll fight his corner. If not, I'm guessing he wears girly pants, and hides behind aliases.
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http://atomicboards.com/board.pl?user=gayeurope&board=6305&sid&mode=profile&action=view&who=39091&last=profile&lasta=viewall&fb_source=message
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http://atomicboards.com/board.pl?user=gayeurope&board=6305&sid&mode=profile&action=view&who=39091&last=profile&lasta=viewall&fb_source=message
Someone should tell him that it's rude to point.
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http://atomicboards.com/board.pl?user=gayeurope&board=6305&sid&mode=profile&action=view&who=39091&last=profile&lasta=viewall&fb_source=message
Someone should tell him that it's rude to point.
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Am I right in thinking that Mr Craigie is deeply dodgy, and Steph was right all along? Is there any chance that Mr Craigie could come on here and defend himself?
Shona you hit the nail on he head...KC in demand to answer Q's apparently not in the house! Guess he has eyes on here though @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
No he wears Blue Boxers @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
I'm sure he does. He seems to generate a lot of interest on here!! If he's genuine, he'll fight his corner. If not, I'm guessing he wears girly pants, and hides behind aliases.
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Mind he did say this wasnt his add, with his e-mail address, his saying, his name.... 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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http://atomicboards.com/board.pl?user=gayeurope&board=6305&sid&mode=profile&action=view&who=39091&last=profile&lasta=viewall&fb_source=message
Someone should tell him that it's rude to point.
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He worked at the one in Derby, I don't know where he works these days.
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you see his pic Joanne?
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Mind he did say this wasnt his add, with his e-mail address, his saying, his name.... 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
He should do a Rob Brydon, and relocate some of that hair. Take the shine off his head.
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Oh God yes, I don't know which is worst his face or his trollies @)(++(*
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you see his pic Joanne?
You trying to be his pimp @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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For a tenner! @)(++(*
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you see his pic Joanne?
You trying to be his pimp @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Good luck with that @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* dont think you will get a tenner though @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Can anyone tell me if KC talks with a scottish accent?
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Every time Ive spoke to him hes been pissed @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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he likes a few cans @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* yet he doesn't drink @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Do you want his bank details AngelA, @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* Seriously why do you ask have you had dealinngs with him to. 8(8-)) 8(8-)) 8(8-))
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he likes a few cans @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* yet he doesn't drink @)(++(* @)(++(*
@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* He must suck it through a straw then.
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Oh God yes, I don't know which is worst his face or his trollies @)(++(*
so you never met him then?
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No, I just copped for him on facebook and on the phone.
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he likes a few cans @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* yet he doesn't drink @)(++(* @)(++(*
@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* He must suck it through a straw then.
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Oh God yes, I don't know which is worst his face or his trollies @)(++(*
so you never met him then?
What his face or his " trollies " @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I don't know which is worst looking-the face or the trollies, oh no, the thought of skid marks, I don't want to go there!
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No, I just copped for him on facebook and on the phone.
What ??????? 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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No, I just copped for him on facebook and on the phone.
What ??????? 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
The thought of his " trollies " has got me all confused @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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No, I just copped for him on facebook and on the phone.
a woman I met who also assisted him financially had ideas of snuggling up with him,she too had never met him!! Hmmm snuggling up to a reptile YUK
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It was conversations via facebook and on the phone. He was a bit paranoid on the phone, I tend to use SKYPE quite a lot and it sends background noise from the computer, if I change page it clicks and if I get an email it sets a little jingle off and he used to say "We're being taped or we're being monitored".
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Oh God yes, I don't know which is worst his face or his trollies @)(++(*
so you never met him then?
Sorry to intrude, just doing my mod duties here, but would it be constructive if the person in question could defend himself? I'm sure he's reading all this, what about if we gave him half an hour to join in? And if he doesn't, then he hasn't got the courage of his convictions. Fair?
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It was conversations via facebook and on the phone. He was a bit paranoid on the phone, I tend to use SKYPE quite a lot and it sends background noise from the computer, if I change page it clicks and if I get an email it sets a little jingle off and he used to say "We're being taped or we're being monitored".
That will be MI5 @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I find it most bizarre that kevin came to this forum to highlight his case, but now seems to have gone very quiet on us. I for one would really like to know more about his case and how he can possibly portray himself as a MOJ, I for one have only one problem with Kevin, and that's the fact he breathes @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Snuggling up to that! He's got NOTHING going for him, he's 5 stone wet through, no head hair, a liar etc, his pictuures scream "Look at me, I have nothing to offer"! @)(++(*
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I don't know which is worst looking-the face or the trollies, oh no, the thought of skid marks, I don't want to go there!
SKID MARKS ??? you know something we don't?? 8()-000(
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Snuggling up to that! He's got NOTHING going for him, he's 5 stone wet through, no head hair, a liar etc, his pictuures scream "Look at me, I have nothing to offer"! @)(++(*
he chats a good game better than any chat op have ever trained !!
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Oh God yes, I don't know which is worst his face or his trollies @)(++(*
so you never met him then?
Sorry to intrude, just doing my mod duties here, but would it be constructive if the person in question could defend himself? I'm sure he's reading all this, what about if we gave him half an hour to join in? And if he doesn't, then he hasn't got the courage of his convictions. Fair?
He has been asked to come on in his real name on numerous occasions, but since his Police Statements have come to light he has refrained from doing so, in his real name anyway.
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No, no, no- I knew it was the wrong thing to type!
Shona- if you want to try and get answers of KC, best of British love, he's been asked many questions, many times and says NOTHING. He's been given the right to reply many times but never does.
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It was conversations via facebook and on the phone. He was a bit paranoid on the phone, I tend to use SKYPE quite a lot and it sends background noise from the computer, if I change page it clicks and if I get an email it sets a little jingle off and he used to say "We're being taped or we're being monitored".
will have to search for some of his paranoid MI5 rubbish @)(++(*
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No, no, no- I knew it was the wrong thing to type!
Shona- if you want to try and get answers of KC, best of British love, he's been asked many questions, many times and says NOTHING. He's been given the right to reply many times but never does.
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Is it possible though to have skid marks from his mouth and his trolley end simultaneously? Knowing him-probably!
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No, no, no- I knew it was the wrong thing to type!
Shona- if you want to try and get answers of KC, best of British love, he's been asked many questions, many times and says NOTHING. He's been given the right to reply many times but never does.
gone to ground,reptiles coil, slither away or attack!
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No, no, no- I knew it was the wrong thing to type!
Shona- if you want to try and get answers of KC, best of British love, he's been asked many questions, many times and says NOTHING. He's been given the right to reply many times but never does.
This is obviously hard-core stuff. You go back a long way, and it makes Jeremy Bamber look like Winnie the Pooh. I just think that it would have been helpful if the said Mr Craigie could have come out of the shadows and defended himself, considering that he monitors this site.
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I have been asking him Questions since the Jengba episode and still he hasn't commented. So lets try again, " Tell us about the Money Kevin " 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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Is it possible though to have skid marks from his mouth and his trolley end simultaneously? Knowing him-probably!
possible rings true,chats $#!^ and bothers people @)(++(*
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Do you want his bank details AngelA, @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* Seriously why do you ask have you had dealinngs with him to. 8(8-)) 8(8-)) 8(8-))
I did had dealings with him a few years ago but only via messages. I'm pleased to say he didn't cause me any problems ..... after reading the forum I realise I had a lucky escape!!
How much do I have to pay him? Seems like £10 is the going rate. I'm not flush at the moment so do you think he would accept 50p a week? That would depend on whether he could rely on your support regardless @)(++(*
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I have been asking him Questions since the Jengba episode and still he hasn't commented. So lets try again, " Tell us about the Money Kevin " 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
What do you know about a little old lady who remortgaged her house for £30,000 Kevin ?????.
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Do you want his bank details AngelA, @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* Seriously why do you ask have you had dealinngs with him to. 8(8-)) 8(8-)) 8(8-))
I did had dealings with him a few years ago but only via messages. I'm pleased to say he didn't cause me any problems ..... after reading the forum I realise I had a lucky escape!!
How much do I have to pay him? Seems like £10 is the going rate. I'm not flush at the moment so do you think he would accept 50p a week?
Do keep up please, its my turn now, could you not stretch to 75p as i will need to charge you intrest on your 50p @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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No, no, no- I knew it was the wrong thing to type!
Shona- if you want to try and get answers of KC, best of British love, he's been asked many questions, many times and says NOTHING. He's been given the right to reply many times but never does.
This is obviously hard-core stuff. You go back a long way, and it makes Jeremy Bamber look like Winnie the Pooh. I just think that it would have been helpful if the said Mr Craigie could have come out of the shadows and defended himself, considering that he monitors this site.
Mr C refuses to defend himself as the truth is out,
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Or MI5 @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* Sorry @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Hi Stephanie.
I'm going to call it quits for now, I can't think about £30K at this time of night, so I'll catch up later.
((Waves)) and says Goodnight.
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Do you want his bank details AngelA, @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* Seriously why do you ask have you had dealinngs with him to. 8(8-)) 8(8-)) 8(8-))
I did had dealings with him a few years ago but only via messages. I'm pleased to say he didn't cause me any problems ..... after reading the forum I realise I had a lucky escape!!
How much do I have to pay him? Seems like £10 is the going rate. I'm not flush at the moment so do you think he would accept 50p a week?
Do keep up please, its my turn now, could you not stretch to 75p as i will need to charge you intrest on your 50p @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
75p!!!! Flipping heck this is getting to be an expensive hobby!! When do I get paid back?
Paid back @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* No i will lose the money im sending you under a load of paperwork. Is that ok, best i can do im afraid......... Paid back @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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No, I just copped for him on facebook and on the phone.
a woman I met who also assisted him financially had ideas of snuggling up with him,she too had never met him!! Hmmm snuggling up to a reptile YUK
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AngelA im losing money letting you pay 75p a week as it is. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Am off to bed, please do not be disturbed by the subject matter or anything you have read here @)(++(* Goodnight God Bless.
Prayers, Thoughts for all those incarcerated suffering MOJ
RIP Mr Rothwell and all victims of crime.
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Am off to bed, please do not be disturbed by the subject matter or anything you have read here @)(++(* Goodnight God Bless.
Prayers, Thoughts for all those incarcerated suffering MOJ
RIP Mr Rothwell and all victims of crime.
What about my tenner then ????? @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Am off to bed, please do not be disturbed by the subject matter or anything you have read here @)(++(* Goodnight God Bless.
Prayers, Thoughts for all those incarcerated suffering MOJ
RIP Mr Rothwell and all victims of crime.
What about my tenner then ????? @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Thats £20.75 tonight already @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Anyone wishing to donate ( cash only please ) to the Kevin Craigie Investigation please pm me. NO PAYPAL. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Edited version from 2011
Is it an idea to inform MI5 of his whereabouts 8()-000( @)(++(* @)(++(*
13 AprilKevin CraigieGM and DB were recruited by special branch to control and also undermine the MOJO organisation. No, Im not paranoid XXXXX, but now in possible danger, as publicly exposed them. Hence calling ex colleagues tonight for my credibility....CAB and EHRC
13 AprilKevin CraigieThey are both special branch officers. I have known Paul C ( ex M15) since I was a young man. XX, they are mandated to destroy the MOJO movement. My Grt Grt Grandfather was Daniel O Connell.....they know all this. Adopted 1969...
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Edited version from 2011
Is it an idea to inform MI5 of his whereabouts 8()-000( @)(++(* @)(++(*
13 AprilKevin CraigieGM and DB were recruited by special branch to control and also undermine the MOJO organisation. No, Im not paranoid XXXXX, but now in possible danger, as publicly exposed them. Hence calling ex colleagues tonight for my credibility....CAB and EHRC
13 AprilKevin CraigieThey are both special branch officers. I have known Paul C ( ex M15) since I was a young man. XX, they are mandated to destroy the MOJO movement. My Grt Grt Grandfather was Daniel O Connell.....they know all this. Adopted 1969...
hmmm, was this around the time that questions were put to him? and he ran away...Paranoid cos he didnt like all the questions that were asked of himand his Guilty little pleasure was about to be exposed , nothing to do with him exposing anyone , unless he was chatting about the "boxers " again 8(0(*
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Just popped my head up.... I see KC is posting as FreeWillieGage. He should knock the Gage off because that's more like it. http://atomicboards.com/board.pl?user=gayeurope&board=6305&sid&mode=profile&action=view&who=39091&last=profile&lasta=viewall&fb_source=message
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LATEST ANNOUNCEMENT
by Kevin Craigie on Wednesday, 15 June 2011 at 18:45
This morning I had a five hour meeting with D B and another trustee. As from today, I am pleased to announce, that as from today, that I am in sole control of the charitible organisation XXX. At the moment I am the "Chairman", but this will change to "Executive Director" in the late summer.My appointed trustee board is an impressive catalogue of determined and influencial people.Thank you for all your support, together, we shall all make a significant difference.
8-)(--) couldn't be the same DB he refers to as MI5 OUT TO DESTROY MOJO could it? Or is the point where putting paranoia to one side he either joined or infiltrated MI5? @)(++(* @)(++(*
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They infilitrate pressure groups in Russia, China, Germany, America and also in the U.K. It all makes sense no. Craigie and his superior Cleeland were assigned by M15 to infiltrate then report back to their political masters. They prob on another undercover mission already. The people of Greece and Syria are discontent so it possible they been sent there. Can just see them disguised as Arabs on a camel infiltrating these groups like they do over here. It is a disgrace
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Karen Torley could well be another undercover agent. The Scottish connection/branch ? She did a deal with the U.S.A Governemnt to save Richies skin. I wonder what it was ?
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They infilitrate pressure groups in Russia, China, Germany, America and also in the U.K. It all makes sense no. Craigie and his superior Cleeland were assigned by M15 to infiltrate then report back to their political masters. They prob on another undercover mission already. The people of Greece and Syria are discontent so it possible they been sent there. Can just see them disguised as Arabs on a camel infiltrating these groups like they do over here. It is a disgrace
KC & KT dont talk anymore. KT is now bestest friends with SL @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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They infilitrate pressure groups in Russia, China, Germany, America and also in the U.K. It all makes sense no. Craigie and his superior Cleeland were assigned by M15 to infiltrate then report back to their political masters. They prob on another undercover mission already. The people of Greece and Syria are discontent so it possible they been sent there. Can just see them disguised as Arabs on a camel infiltrating these groups like they do over here. It is a disgrace
KC & KT dont talk anymore. KT is now bestest friends with SL @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Karen Torley has been trolling for years, by her own admssions. Sandra Lean hasn't been too far behind her @)(++(*
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remember him being in Monaco when he was posed Qs @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
They infilitrate pressure groups in Russia, China, Germany, America and also in the U.K. It all makes sense no. Craigie and his superior Cleeland were assigned by M15 to infiltrate then report back to their political masters. They prob on another undercover mission already. The people of Greece and Syria are discontent so it possible they been sent there. Can just see them disguised as Arabs on a camel infiltrating these groups like they do over here. It is a disgrace
Edited version from 2011
Is it an idea to inform MI5 of his whereabouts 8()-000( @)(++(* @)(++(*
13 AprilKevin CraigieGM and DB were recruited by special branch to control and also undermine the MOJO organisation. No, Im not paranoid XXXXX, but now in possible danger, as publicly exposed them. Hence calling ex colleagues tonight for my credibility....CAB and EHRC
13 AprilKevin CraigieThey are both special branch officers. I have known Paul C ( ex M15) since I was a young man. XX, they are mandated to destroy the MOJO movement. My Grt Grt Grandfather was Daniel O Connell.....they know all this. Adopted 1969...
hmmm, was this around the time that questions were put to him? and he ran away...Paranoid cos he didnt like all the questions that were asked of himand his Guilty little pleasure was about to be exposed , nothing to do with him exposing anyone , unless he was chatting about the "boxers " again 8(0(*
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That might be what they want us to think. Part of their modus operanda. SL is also in a prime position to be another agent if not already recruited by them.These spooks are far from stupid
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Miss Leanne has really stoked some fires over the years @)(++(*
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Miss Leanne has really stoked some fires over the years @)(++(*
Miss Leannes prints are over everything 8(0(*
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LATEST ANNOUNCEMENT
by Kevin Craigie on Wednesday, 15 June 2011 at 18:45
This morning I had a five hour meeting with D B and another trustee. As from today, I am pleased to announce, that as from today, that I am in sole control of the charitible organisation XXX. At the moment I am the "Chairman", but this will change to "Executive Director" in the late summer.My appointed trustee board is an impressive catalogue of determined and influencial people.Thank you for all your support, together, we shall all make a significant difference.
8-)(--) couldn't be the same DB he refers to as MI5 OUT TO DESTROY MOJO could it? Or is the point where putting paranoia to one side he either joined or infiltrated MI5? @)(++(* @)(++(*
I'm not impressive or infleuential, infact I was so importnant I didn't realise I was on the committee for months, oh I hope I wasn't on it and I've got it wrong, this time I want to be wrong about something.
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Joanne you obv wasn't told about KC 8(8-))....just got this historical (2011) msg:
who is joanne howe then? take it she has no clue about the s..mbag perv yet x
Lea Anne
who is joanne howe then? take it she has no clue about the s..mbag perv yet x
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I'm not impressive or infleuential, infact I was so importnant I didn't realise I was on the committee for months, oh I hope I wasn't on it and I've got it wrong, this time I want to be wrong about something.
It will be alright Joanne how was you to know @)(++(*Takes a while till familiarity breeds contempt.Now I am hungry anyone lend me a tenner?I class you as a real friend I don't like to ask @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Aye, course you can! @)(++(*
@)(++(* oh ok then any chance you could make it 20 I don't like to ask @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Shall we make it a nice round £50, inflation and such since March! A tenner's not what it used to be you know!
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@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* 8((()*/ I will pay you back next Wednesday,you are what I class as a real friend. 8-)(--)how many cans can I get with that? @)(++(* @)(++(*
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One of the reasons I like John is because he calls a spade a spade. Another reason I like John is because he like to get to the truth!
I'm 42 years old. My INNOCENT husband is in prison, and has been for 10 long years and NO ONE CARES!
I care Stephanie but have much the same situation.Indeed all in all my whole family life has been destroyed.Trust me if I had the answer or the means I would assist you 8((()*/
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Went for a coffee this morning in little Greek coffee shop in Camden 8(0(*
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Gordo should bail now @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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How many troll names do these people have??????
Some of them have been doing it for years!!?? (as is becoming crystal clear!!!!)
One thing is for certain - you can't trust any of them!!!!!!
These people need exposing and their true colours exposing for all to see!!!
It's an utter disgrace!!!!
TRULY DISGUSTING!!
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Joanne you obv wasn't told about KC 8(8-))....just got this historical (2011) msg:
who is joanne howe then? take it she has no clue about the s..mbag perv yet x
Lea Anne
who is joanne howe then? take it she has no clue about the s..mbag perv yet x
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Lea Anne
Lea Anne 08 May 01:53
so what happened next ? was Joanne then warned of his antics or was she just the next victim on his ever increasing list ? 8(8-))
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One of the reasons I like John is because he calls a spade a spade. Another reason I like John is because he like to get to the truth!
I'm 42 years old. My INNOCENT husband is in prison, and has been for 10 long years and NO ONE CARES!
i agree with what you say about John ...as for nobody caring !!! Mrs Hall, I support your Husband Simon as i do yourself, please take no notice of the likes of KC ...he has and never will have my support, due to his appalling behaviour towards others..and the fact KC is guilty , simon on the other hand is INNOCENT...BIG DIFFERENCE ?{)(**
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Anyone heard from KC?
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Anyone heard from KC?
You mean KC and the Sunshine Band? GIVE it UP @)(++(*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5slGRLzTnWE&feature=related
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I don't think this is the way forward to be honest, Lea Anne does not have any proof that Kevin has done anything wrong other than 2 drunken rambling messages which given I had 82 pages of him 'fessing to fake profiles and they did nothing, two phone calls are peace meal.
Lea Anne does not want to post here, she doesn't know what it is exactly that people want to hear which really I'm begining to lose the plot myself now, so whatever it is that people want, I need it to be in plain english and if you want Lea Annes view on it, then you will need to mail her.
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I don't think this is the way forward to be honest, Lea Anne does not have any proof that Kevin has done anything wrong other than 2 drunken rambling messages which given I had 82 pages of him 'fessing to fake profiles and they did nothing, two phone calls are peace meal.
Lea Anne does not want to post here, she doesn't know what it is exactly that people want to hear which really I'm begining to lose the plot myself now, so whatever it is that people want, I need it to be in plain english and if you want Lea Annes view on it, then you will need to mail her.
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If you don't mind me asking, Joanne, when you say "they" did nothing...do you mean the Police?
Bearing in mind I have no horse in this race (Admin: as far as it's possible to prove a negative, I'd be more than happy to provide you with information to show I'm no more than an interested passer by, so to speak) but I truthfully believe that when people speak about the Police getting involved in any on-line disputes they're overestimating what they will do about it.
They won't even care about the money, unless it's a huge amount...all they'll say is that it's a civil matter, sort it out between you.
I gather this guy has caused a lot of heartache so this probably isn't what you want to hear, but I really don't think the Police are going to do anything to help. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
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I'm not interested in the money, I never even mentioned the money, it's about the issue that he's trolling, flaming, putting his name on a charity which breaks his bail conditions and he's not allowed to do it, putting other people's names on things without their permission and so on. If you think this is about the money, then you're way off.
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I cannot afford the ink to print 80 odd pages off and the postage too, the police don't see it as admissable evidence, so nor will his parole officer. I sent you a copy of all of this, so you could pass it on.
I'm in the middle of all this and I'm trying to be ok with everyone yet I'm getting messages on facebook from friends of Lea Anne and she's also being mentioned on here, she doesn't log on and she doesn't want to. I don't see how being antagonistic with me is going to help, all I wanted in this was for him to be exposed and stopped but we're going round in circles.
The police aren't interested in what I've given them, there's nothing I can do about that one and I'm getting tired of this tenner being mentioned at every turn, he was never going to give it me back, that was on the cards from day one, I was hoping the stuff I had would help other people and I wish I hadn't got involved now.
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Could Leanne be another agent from M15
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The way forward- He needs stopping and either locking back up or a psychiatric analysis because I don't know if he's just plain mad or mad and bad, it's like he wriggles out of everything, he must have slipped up in someway but I can't find it. I'm just trying (badly) to put the pieces together.
I think Lea Annes initial intention was to make it publically known she wasn't responsible for fake accounts in her name, I get the feeling that people think Lea Anne has got information that is useful to the police, she says not and because she doesn't read and post on here, she's not going to reply which is why I suggested mailing her as apose trying to sort it out on here.
I was of the understanding something happened over the weekend, Lea Anne asked questions that weren't answered by admin, I don't know what those questions were but she was expecting an answer which wasn't forth coming.
I'm going to have five minutes out because I'm totally losing it and I don't want to be fighting with everyone which is my usual route and it's not productive, especially for me.
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Why do you want me to pass it on Joanne. Why don't you email her?
I've just spoken to her, you seem to want answers I don't have.
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Leanne only came on this forum to say it was not her that had attacked you but kc ,she came on here for herself to prevent people thinking she was a bully ,like many other posters on here clearly are ,Has she carried on the attack NO the only person being attacked now is Leanne for being a nice person & pointing out that someone had posted using her name & it wasn't her ....END OF....FACT...TRUTH
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Leanne only came on this forum to say it was not her that had attacked you but kc ,she came on here for herself to prevent people thinking she was a bully ,like many other posters on here clearly are ,Has she carried on the attack NO the only person being attacked now is Leanne for being a nice person & pointing out that someone had posted using her name & it wasn't her ....END OF....FACT...TRUTH
WHATEVER HAVE A RETHINK -EVERY VAMPIRE FILM I HAVE WATCHED THE VAMPIRE HAS A FLUNKY.
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Why do you want me to pass it on Joanne. Why don't you email her?
I've just spoken to her, you seem to want answers I don't have.
seems to me that you had qualms about his validity and quite rightly so.Not about money just to expose him for what a vile character he is. Yes his PO can have him recalled http://www.prisonersadvice.org.uk/DOCS/INFORMATION/RECALL.pdf
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Thats good, I mailed her at about 5pm with the files of him confessing to fake profiles etc, so she will probably not read them until tomorrow. 8((()*/
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Thats good, I mailed her at about 5pm with the files of him confessing to fake profiles etc, so she will probably not read them until tomorrow. 8((()*/
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Think what others are saying is KC vile reign could have ended long ago if Lea hadn't played home and away.If anyone could expose him am sure she could have.
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My comp is running really slow, been told £100 will sort it out, but i havent eaten all week, My can Freezer is down to 50, i need all my friends to rally round and send me some money, i dont like asking but i have to as no one is offering. 8)--)) 8)--)) 8)--)) 8)--)) 8)--))
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Kevin had a dog not so long ago according to my sources and I cannot see him being allowed to keep one in a rented flat in Camden. Does anybody have any knowledge of this or has it ended up like Bambers Crispy?
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Surely not another dog?Maybe it has bbeen returned to its rightful owner 8-)(--)
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My comp is running really slow, been told £100 will sort it out, but i havent eaten all week, My can Freezer is down to 50, i need all my friends to rally round and send me some money, i dont like asking but i have to as no one is offering. 8)--)) 8)--)) 8)--)) 8)--)) 8)--))
Now if you considered me a true friend I would @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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"That evening both men went to The Kings Arms in London to buy a magazine which advertised employment and accommodation. Since the hostel had a very strict curfew of 11pm, we both planned to have just two drinks.
However, Mark Fuller had began talking to people and to one man in particular, whom Kevin Craigie wrongly assumed was someone Fuller knew from his spell in the army. This meant that the curfew time had passed."
Hostel curfew?
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"There was no option but to try and humour Fuller, who told Kevin that he wanted this to look as if a burglar had committed the crime."
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"Fuller would not leave Kevin alone, and eventually Kevin had to leave with Fuller in the victims car."
Defense wounds?
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So what are you saying Col Sanders 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) @)(++(*
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So what are you saying Col Sanders 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) @)(++(*
Was that rhetorical?
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"One evening after work, both men returned to the hostel and one of the evicted residents, a William Smith was outside."
Fact or fiction?
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"One evening after work, both men returned to the hostel and one of the evicted residents, a William Smith was outside. He would stand outside the door all day and basically beg for money or cigarettes. Both men had been giving him cigarettes and money but they had discovered William Smith was buying cheap beer and they decided enough was enough and refused him any money."
The point is?
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"One evening after work, both men returned to the hostel and one of the evicted residents, a William Smith was outside. He would stand outside the door all day and basically beg for money or cigarettes. Both men had been giving him cigarettes and money but they had discovered William Smith was buying cheap beer and they decided enough was enough and refused him any money."
The point is?
Well i am assuming were not referring to DI William Smith @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* But the Other Mr William Smith Who we have a rap sheet for, a statement where he was arrested at the Airport, But we seem to be missing a very important part, A witness statement concerning the incident above from any person.
Once we establish what was said and occur ed. We will know what the point. is 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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i see KC is posting on the Blue forum now ....under the name Freewilliegage...Mind he has taken note of what Karen Torley told him ....GO ON TO THE FORUM BUT DONT POST UP ABOUT YOUR CASE ....don't worry kevin, cos we wont stop getting you the exposure you wanted , carry on, cos attacking the Luke Mitchell case, don't make you innocent 8(0(* Mr Rothwell deserves the truth to be told ...RIP
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"One evening after work, both men returned to the hostel and one of the evicted residents, a William Smith was outside. He would stand outside the door all day and basically beg for money or cigarettes. Both men had been giving him cigarettes and money but they had discovered William Smith was buying cheap beer and they decided enough was enough and refused him any money."
The point is?
Well i am assuming were not referring to DI William Smith @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* But the Other Mr William Smith Who we have a rap sheet for, a statement where he was arrested at the Airport, But we seem to be missing a very important part, A witness statement concerning the incident above from any person.
Once we establish what was said and occur ed. We will know what the point. is 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
1999 KC was refused parole or transfer as he had only accepted limited responsibility. Were he & Fuller lovers?
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Well i know He's a Freewillie, ive senn his add on the gay site. Ha Ha i bet he answers the e-mails on there @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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i see KC is posting on the Blue forum now ....under the name Freewilliegage...Mind he has taken note of what Karen Torley told him ....GO ON TO THE FORUM BUT DONT POST UP ABOUT YOUR CASE ....don't worry kevin, cos we wont stop getting you the exposure you wanted , carry on, cos attacking the Luke Mitchell case, don't make you innocent 8(0(* Mr Rothwell deserves the truth to be told ...RIP
Seems they are all doing that and even denying doing it @)(++(*
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1999 KC was refused parole or transfer as he had only accepted limited responsibility. Were he & Fuller lovers?
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Well up till a week ago KC said he was not gay , but they both frequented "gay bars" looking for their victims ..in the case of Fuller , KC says he didn't think he would have sex with another man (this he said about fuller )..he himself denies being gay or even having gay tendencies , so not sure whether they were or weren't .
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Well i know He's a Freewillie, ive senn his add on the gay site. Ha Ha i bet he answers the e-mails on there @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
I'm going to try @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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1999 KC was refused parole or transfer as he had only accepted limited responsibility. Were he & Fuller lovers?
Well up till a week ago KC said he was not gay , but they both frequented "gay bars" looking for their victims ..in the case of Fuller , KC says he didn't think he would have sex with another man (this he said about fuller )..he himself denies being gay or even having gay tendencies , so not sure whether they were or weren't .
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Did these men (Fuller & Craigie) go out dressed up as women to hunt their victims down?
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1999 KC was refused parole or transfer as he had only accepted limited responsibility. Were he & Fuller lovers?
Well up till a week ago KC said he was not gay , but they both frequented "gay bars" looking for their victims ..in the case of Fuller , KC says he didn't think he would have sex with another man (this he said about fuller )..he himself denies being gay or even having gay tendencies , so not sure whether they were or weren't .
The Image of K.C. dressed as a woman @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Did these men (Fuller & Craigie) go out dressed up as women to hunt their victims down?
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As a rule I opt not to get involved in forums. I have however read this one and can see it is the lynch mob mentality. I see numerous references which are clearly homophobic and amounts to hate crime. I am gay, and I am glad to be gay. I object to such discriminatory and hateful comments/allegations. I see certain people probably being charged and then autoreceiving the 5yrs minimum top up. Have been familiar with this case for over 15yrs. Kevin Craigie is not guilty. Kevin Craigie is also not guilty of any of your malicious lynch mob tactics either. This is 2012 not 1912.
Just to show you all ...here's the post from Kevin himself
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"One evening after work, both men returned to the hostel and one of the evicted residents, a William Smith was outside. He would stand outside the door all day and basically beg for money or cigarettes. Both men had been giving him cigarettes and money but they had discovered William Smith was buying cheap beer and they decided enough was enough and refused him any money."
The point is?
You got anymore statements hid away Kevin 8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-)))
Well i am assuming were not referring to DI William Smith @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* But the Other Mr William Smith Who we have a rap sheet for, a statement where he was arrested at the Airport, But we seem to be missing a very important part, A witness statement concerning the incident above from any person.
Once we establish what was said and occur ed. We will know what the point. is 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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oh he must be really busy , too busy to update his site, i see Karen is giving it a wide birth now , and look ....NOT EVEN A TOPIC ABOUT THE MURDER OF MR ROTHWELL ...no remorse what so ever ..
i wonder if the cases he hosts are people who he is "helping" , did they approach him, or where these cases he refused to hand back to JENGBA?
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Its just that it puzzles me why they would take Mr Rothwells Razors 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) Not the sort of thing a burgler would steal. @)(++(* @)(++(*
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so many questions ,
but Kevin cant /wont answer them...Kevin, The truth is out, you can stop playing now 8)--))
come out of the darkness , stop lurking in the shadows , that's all in your past Kevin.
did you lurk in the dark on the night that Mr Rothwell Died? ...you kept your distance then Kevin, to avoid detection ...didn't you ..but you weren't playing a game that night Kevin.you had planned along with fuller to find a Victim and bash and rob him, as you had done before .You left a Man to die from appalling Head Injuries ...without looking back ...bet your looking back now though . but your not sorry are you Kevin ? You still believe you are innocent , played no part in the Murder ? You were there Kevin, YOU could have saved that mans life , and all for his Wallet , but you were working Kevin, Why did you need to Steal from this man , Why in the moment did you not call for help...Why Kevin.
so many questions 8(8-))
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I write to people in prison, I also send the things in (like stationary, information about services on the outside if they get parole and so on). Kevin had my address back in March so why does he need to phone me about a card? I have not lied about anyone or anything and I don't need to apologise for anything.
Kevin Craigie had a dog in Derby, the tale I got was that the police ame and 'stole' it away from him and gave it back to it's owner. I asked him how? The only circumstances they can remove any animal is cruelty and if it is microchipped and the chip goes back to someone else and hasn't been changed.
Just before he moved he was suppsed to have taken 2 kittens but didn't incase 'I had to go in hospital again', so now he's claiming he works again, I can't see him leaving a dog in the house all day.
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Hmmm now on KC statement he says Fuller talks French sometimes.Wonder 8-)(--)
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I write to people in prison, I also send the things in (like stationary, information about services on the outside if they get parole and so on). Kevin had my address back in March so why does he need to phone me about a card? I have not lied about anyone or anything and I don't need to apologise for anything.
Kevin Craigie had a dog in Derby, the tale I got was that the police ame and 'stole' it away from him and gave it back to it's owner. I asked him how? The only circumstances they can remove any animal is cruelty and if it is microchipped and the chip goes back to someone else and hasn't been changed.
Just before he moved he was suppsed to have taken 2 kittens but didn't incase 'I had to go in hospital again', so now he's claiming he works again, I can't see him leaving a dog in the house all day.
Several dogs returned to their rightful owners then.
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Hmmm now on KC statement he says Fuller talks French sometimes.Wonder 8-)(--)
R U thinking wot Im thinking 8-)(--)
(http://i.imgur.com/4FeWD.jpg)
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Hmmm now on KC statement he says Fuller talks French sometimes.Wonder 8-)(--)
R U thinking wot Im thinking 8-)(--)
(http://i.imgur.com/4FeWD.jpg)
Who owns a bed cover like that? Hmmm
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More from KC https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001979380400
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More from KC https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001979380400
no human being is perfect so i take a day for day , the best of things you can know about me is in me so u can get to know me from the question u ask cos they are what i will answer .
https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100002872089346&sk=info
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About Kevin CraigieNameKevin Craigie
Where I studyStafforshire University
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Another victim of the British Judicial System. Committed to challenging injustice, especially concerning innocent people being convicted.
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Re: Kevin Craigie - Case investigated
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2012, 09:41:36 PM »I have two Facebook pages as it is limited to 5000. I changed the Justice on Appeal page after I closed down that charity. I had previously agreed to take over from the original M.D. It's reputation was justifiably appalling. Once all the cases were safe, they were either returned to their owners or with their permission forwarded to nominated or suggested Lawyers. This period also demonstrated to me just how vulnerable people are when in despair.
How many Facebook pages? 8-)(--)
You target vulnerable people when in despair and KNOWINGLY do what you do 8()(((@# 8()(((@# 8()(((@#
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When we first met, we instantly got on, and instead of returning to Derby I stayed with you for nearly two weeks. We were like two teenagers, hitting the pubs and clubs. We always laughed, and when you said goodbye at New Street Station, I promised to return, and did the following week. Yet again we hit the nightlife of Birmingham, and had a brilliant time. A year later, when I became ill, you came with me to Derby and stayed in my house, visiting me in Hospital every day until I was well again. The following year we went back on the Town and enjoyed every minute, especially our trip to Mr Egg on Hurst Street where the sign said "Eat like a Queen for �2.50", what a laugh. Then you had your ABBA night, which was so funny. Then the night we got stuck in the lift, which was scary but you made funny.I will never forget you Trevor, you certainly made my life brighter, and all those who were fortunate enough to know you. If there were more Trevor's in the world, then what a better place it would be.
Love Kevin xx
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http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/CAB-made-me-sound-like-Frank-Spencer-.htm
The 37-year-old Scot claims the Union Street organisation has destroyed his reputation and his career prospects by portraying him as an incompetent comparable to Frank Spencer, Michael Crawford's hapless and unemployable character from the 1970s sitcom Some Mothers Do 'Av 'Em. He also claims the matter made him so ill he needed hospital care.
Wonder if he's needing hospital care now?
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When we first met, we instantly got on, and instead of returning to Derby I stayed with you for nearly two weeks. We were like two teenagers, hitting the pubs and clubs. We always laughed, and when you said goodbye at New Street Station, I promised to return, and did the following week. Yet again we hit the nightlife of Birmingham, and had a brilliant time. A year later, when I became ill, you came with me to Derby and stayed in my house, visiting me in Hospital every day until I was well again. The following year we went back on the Town and enjoyed every minute, especially our trip to Mr Egg on Hurst Street where the sign said "Eat like a Queen for �2.50", what a laugh. Then you had your ABBA night, which was so funny. Then the night we got stuck in the lift, which was scary but you made funny.I will never forget you Trevor, you certainly made my life brighter, and all those who were fortunate enough to know you. If there were more Trevor's in the world, then what a better place it would be.
Love Kevin xx
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and here is" Mr Egg"
http://www.angelfire.com/retro/greasyspoon/guide.egg.html
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When we first met, we instantly got on, and instead of returning to Derby I stayed with you for nearly two weeks. We were like two teenagers, hitting the pubs and clubs. We always laughed, and when you said goodbye at New Street Station, I promised to return, and did the following week. Yet again we hit the nightlife of Birmingham, and had a brilliant time. A year later, when I became ill, you came with me to Derby and stayed in my house, visiting me in Hospital every day until I was well again. The following year we went back on the Town and enjoyed every minute, especially our trip to Mr Egg on Hurst Street where the sign said "Eat like a Queen for �2.50", what a laugh. Then you had your ABBA night, which was so funny. Then the night we got stuck in the lift, which was scary but you made funny.I will never forget you Trevor, you certainly made my life brighter, and all those who were fortunate enough to know you. If there were more Trevor's in the world, then what a better place it would be.
Love Kevin xx
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and here is" Mr Egg"
http://www.angelfire.com/retro/greasyspoon/guide.egg.html
It says eat like a king on the sign 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8(0(*
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Hmmm now on KC statement he says Fuller talks French sometimes.Wonder 8-)(--)
R U thinking wot Im thinking 8-)(--)
(http://i.imgur.com/4FeWD.jpg)
Seems so......le chat extroidinaire 8-)(--) @)(++(*
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Its not Padgate! Thank the Lord.
I had to look a few times thinking how did that happen, has someone hacked me? But i don't think I've taken a picture of Pad like that, the ginger is a different shade and in different places and I don't have bed clothes like that or a chair/sofa like that either.
Really, I'm a bit mad about something. I wrote to someone in prison a while ago, he was a bit 'odd', he kept writing letters in block capitals and underlining things and asking me to type letters for him, mail them to solicitors, human rights people etc, the letters could get agressive (about his situation). Kevin didn't like this bloke (he gave me this blokes prison address) because he said he was as guilty as hell. This guy and another robbed and beat their victim and poured gloss paint over his head, put this man in the bath, washed it off and did it again but poured the gloss into his mouth. This guy had learning disabilities, he thought they were his friends and were going home to have a few cans.
I really don't want a 'friend' in or out of prison like that but for Kevin to be 'this man's a madman, he tortured this guy and poured gloss on him twice' when he's no better. 8)><( 8(8-))
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Its not Padgate! Thank the Lord.
I had to look a few times thinking how did that happen, has someone hacked me? But i don't think I've taken a picture of Pad like that, the ginger is a different shade and in different places and I don't have bed clothes like that or a chair/sofa like that either.
Really, I'm a bit mad about something. I wrote to someone in prison a while ago, he was a bit 'odd', he kept writing letters in block capitals and underlining things and asking me to type letters for him, mail them to solicitors, human rights people etc, the letters could get agressive (about his situation). Kevin didn't like this bloke (he gave me this blokes prison address) because he said he was as guilty as hell. This guy and another robbed and beat their victim and poured gloss paint over his head, put this man in the bath, washed it off and did it again but poured the gloss into his mouth. This guy had learning disabilities, he thought they were his friends and were going home to have a few cans.
I really don't want a 'friend' in or out of prison like that but for Kevin to be 'this man's a madman, he tortured this guy and poured gloss on him twice' when he's no better. 8)><( 8(8-))
Joanne, you come across as a very humble and caring person, you are wasted on people like that. I worry that you write to these psycho"s and potentially put yourself at risk when they get out. These men perceive caring people as being weak and seek to take advantage of them.
I must say this also Joanne. I have read most of your posts and watched as you have defended your integrity on a public platform...way to go girl! It's a real pity your friend Leanne isn't similiarly disposed to do so.
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Thank you David.
The whole 'sorry ' episode has been a wake up call for me on mny levels, thankfully I've been relatively unscathed. This has to be a learning curb for me.
Hopefully, we as a team can unravel the enigma that is Kevin, so this does not continue to happen. I think I'll just keep to the one prisoner and his family and just send birthday and christams cards into the ones in need and use a safe address via the official routes.
When I read it not as myself, I know it doesn't make for good reading on my part but I live and learn, the alternative it be cynical at every turn which is a trait I was trying to shake off @)(++(*
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Stephanie,
I don't think Lea Anne went into KC's facebook account, I went into the Craigies Angels account because he gave me the log in details. At the time he had mine, I changed mine the next day though, not that there's anything of interest to anyone going on 8(0(*
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8((()*/No worries Stephanie.
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Lea Anne, won't be coming back to this forum and nor will Paul.
I will not be passing messages on for anyone from here on in, I just want to be ok with everyone and friends with everyone at the end of this. I don't think we're going to get anywhere by asking Lea Anne to do any more for this case, she has made it clear she doesn't want involving.
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Okies.
I don't want to know all the in's and out's, thats too much hard work for me.
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I don't think it needs a reply does it! @)(++(*
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I think if my name is on there, I'd want it turning in so that I could clear myself and also stop him from using it again, it's fraud isn't it and if there's any debts or anything underhand are the people named on it liable? I haven't signed anything for Kevin and he doesn't know my signature and I haven't given him permission to pp anything either.
Yes-what a friggin' mess.
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A rogue builder who never seemed able to complete home renovations across Hammersmith and Fulham but was content to pocket vast sums has been jailed for three years. Darren Thomas Bolger, a 41 year old builder from the SW19 area, was found to have taken large amounts of money prior to starting building works. These included residential extensions and loft conversions under the names of multiple companies like 'Building Matters London Ltd.' His modus operandi was simple, he collected money from homeowners, left works unfinished, and returned to collect his tools. The homes would then be left strewn with masonry and all manner of junk , even WCs (pictured).
His luck ran out after he was confronted by a Queen's Counsel (QC), one of his victims who ocassionally sat in a London Court. Witnesses also had to be flown in from America whilst three defence witnesses were arrested for failing to answer summonses. Added to that, diligent work by officers from Hammersmith and Fulham led by DC Angela Mills and DS Richard Gilbert, who made sure Bolger was eventually nailed. He received a three-year custodial sentence at Norwich Crown Court.
Detective Sergeant Richard Gilbert from Hammersmith and Fulham CID said: “This was a complicated investigation involving many victims and culminating in a fourteen week trial. I am pleased that the defendant has been found guilty of defrauding four families of almost a quarter of a million pounds. Hammersmith and Fulham Payback Unit will continue investigations into his finances to try to secure compensation for the victims. “
http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/node/4644
Interesting comment at the bottom of this article:
'I am also owed a large amount from Darren Bolger when he tried to set up a dodgy charity called Justice on Appeal.'
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A rogue builder who never seemed able to complete home renovations across Hammersmith and Fulham but was content to pocket vast sums has been jailed for three years. Darren Thomas Bolger, a 41 year old builder from the SW19 area, was found to have taken large amounts of money prior to starting building works. These included residential extensions and loft conversions under the names of multiple companies like 'Building Matters London Ltd.' His modus operandi was simple, he collected money from homeowners, left works unfinished, and returned to collect his tools. The homes would then be left strewn with masonry and all manner of junk , even WCs (pictured).
His luck ran out after he was confronted by a Queen's Counsel (QC), one of his victims who ocassionally sat in a London Court. Witnesses also had to be flown in from America whilst three defence witnesses were arrested for failing to answer summonses. Added to that, diligent work by officers from Hammersmith and Fulham led by DC Angela Mills and DS Richard Gilbert, who made sure Bolger was eventually nailed. He received a three-year custodial sentence at Norwich Crown Court.
Detective Sergeant Richard Gilbert from Hammersmith and Fulham CID said: “This was a complicated investigation involving many victims and culminating in a fourteen week trial. I am pleased that the defendant has been found guilty of defrauding four families of almost a quarter of a million pounds. Hammersmith and Fulham Payback Unit will continue investigations into his finances to try to secure compensation for the victims. “
http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/node/4644
Interesting comment at the bottom of this article:
'I am also owed a large amount from Darren Bolger when he tried to set up a dodgy charity called Justice on Appeal.'
Kevin Craigie ~ Justice on Appeal
"dodgy charity called Justice on Appeal" you can't make this s*** up 8()(((@#
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Justice on Appeal ceased to exist on 3 February 2012.
http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/RemovedCharityMain.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1138242&SubsidiaryNumber=0
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The Trustees up to that point were..
Kevin Craigie, Akin Sankofa, Ms Joanne Howe and Mrs Doreen Smithyman.
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Justice on Appeal ceased to exist on 3 February 2012.
http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/RemovedCharityMain.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1138242&SubsidiaryNumber=0
Justice on Appeal FB page ~ Cragie's Angels 8()(((@#
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The Trustees up to that point were..
Kevin Craigie, Akin Sankofa, Ms Joanne Howe and Mrs Doreen Smithyman.
I wonder if Doreen and Akin know their names were put to this.
I also want it to be know, I didn't know my name was attached to this until last September and I haven't and never have acted for anyone under the Justice on Appeal charity and I also never dealt with finances, paperwork or signed anything on behalf of JOA.
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The Trustees up to that point were..
Kevin Craigie, Akin Sankofa, Ms Joanne Howe and Mrs Doreen Smithyman.
I wonder if Doreen and Akin know their names were put to this.
I also want it to be know, I didn't know my name was attached to this until last September and I haven't and never have acted for anyone under the Justice on Appeal charity and I also never dealt with finances, paperwork or signed anything on behalf of JOA.
As Trustees of a charity it would be expected that you all knew each other and met regularly to agree matters.
Are you saying that this never happened Joanne?
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I have never met Kevin-ever.
I have never met Akin Sankofa and nor have I heard of the name before nor have I ever met Doreen Smityman or heard of the name before.
There were never any meetings between the 4 of us.
The first indication I had that JOA was trouble was when the prisoner I write to rgularly (Wyndham Thomas) made me aware, this was about Christmas. it was then brought to my attention that a few prisoner (most of them I did nit know) asked if we were responsible for sending them letters asking if we could take their cases on. I am not aware any of us sent these letters out and I (me) got in touch with the people I knew about to say we'd not sent these letters. I also suggested at this time that the charity needed to be closed down because it had already got a bad name before this and the letter incident made it worse.
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Surely this is a matter for the police. How could any compassionate person take money from these poor families
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I know the situation looks bleak for me but I'm not going to lie.
The report reads as Darren Bolger took the money from a lady called Wendy.
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I know the situation looks bleak for me but I'm not going to lie.
The report reads as Darren Bolger took the money from a lady called Wendy.
ive heard investigations are ongoing in this case 8-)(--)
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What report are you referring to Joanne who is Wendy?
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http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/node/4644
Mon, 14/05/2012 - 12:39 — Wendy Brown (not verified)
I am also owed a large amount
I am also owed a large amount from Darren Bolger when he tried to set up a dodgy charity called Justice on Appeal.
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I have never met Kevin-ever.
I have never met Akin Sankofa and nor have I heard of the name before nor have I ever met Doreen Smityman or heard of the name before.
There were never any meetings between the 4 of us.
The first indication I had that JOA was trouble was when the prisoner I write to rgularly (Wyndham Thomas) made me aware, this was about Christmas. it was then brought to my attention that a few prisoner (most of them I did nit know) asked if we were responsible for sending them letters asking if we could take their cases on. I am not aware any of us sent these letters out and I (me) got in touch with the people I knew about to say we'd not sent these letters. I also suggested at this time that the charity needed to be closed down because it had already got a bad name before this and the letter incident made it worse.
Thank you for being so up front with all of this Joanne. There definitely seems to have been something fishy going on here and Kevin Craigie is up to to his neck in it.
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I have never met Kevin-ever.
I have never met Akin Sankofa and nor have I heard of the name before nor have I ever met Doreen Smityman or heard of the name before.
There were never any meetings between the 4 of us.
The first indication I had that JOA was trouble was when the prisoner I write to rgularly (Wyndham Thomas) made me aware, this was about Christmas. it was then brought to my attention that a few prisoner (most of them I did nit know) asked if we were responsible for sending them letters asking if we could take their cases on. I am not aware any of us sent these letters out and I (me) got in touch with the people I knew about to say we'd not sent these letters. I also suggested at this time that the charity needed to be closed down because it had already got a bad name before this and the letter incident made it worse.
Thank you for being so up front with all of this Joanne. There definitely seems to have been something fishy going on here and Kevin Craigie is up to to his neck in it.
Fraud is a criminal offence does anyone have a copy of said document?
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i wonder where the names came from for the prisoners that received the letters from JOA and of course who had signed them 8-)(--)
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8((()*/No worries Stephanie.
Personally I think Leanne is being foolish, that is not an attack that is an opinion.
Leanne said this to me a couple of years ago 'Please note anything that happened on Kevins facebook is his business and he doesnt have a problem with it, so I dont consider that any of your business"
All I am saying is I believe Leanne has known what Craigie has been up to for several years.
She may have been too frightened to do anything about it then, hence her attacks on me but I understand that.
She may have been getting attacked from all sides and went on the attack in return.
I hope she has learnt something from back then and is stronger and doesn't allow his to continue with his harrassment.
We are all willing to support Leanne, as I've said, it's Craigie who is the danger and the one responsible for turning everyone else against each other. IMHO
Poor women 8(8-))
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Joanne the cat pic belongs to a french speaker extraordinaire!! Both the pic and descrip. -don't ask,or we will be off at another tangent.
The person I believe Craigie had you write too is from Blackpool?
If so Craigie said from early last year the guy is as guilty as hell and a nutter. Hmm kettle pot black comes to mind!
You are very brave Joanne as KC is a dangerous reptile.
Its not Padgate! Thank the Lord.
I had to look a few times thinking how did that happen, has someone hacked me? But i don't think I've taken a picture of Pad like that, the ginger is a different shade and in different places and I don't have bed clothes like that or a chair/sofa like that either.
Really, I'm a bit mad about something. I wrote to someone in prison a while ago, he was a bit 'odd', he kept writing letters in block capitals and underlining things and asking me to type letters for him, mail them to solicitors, human rights people etc, the letters could get agressive (about his situation). Kevin didn't like this bloke (he gave me this blokes prison address) because he said he was as guilty as hell. This guy and another robbed and beat their victim and poured gloss paint over his head, put this man in the bath, washed it off and did it again but poured the gloss into his mouth. This guy had learning disabilities, he thought they were his friends and were going home to have a few cans.
I really don't want a 'friend' in or out of prison like that but for Kevin to be 'this man's a madman, he tortured this guy and poured gloss on him twice' when he's no better. 8)><( 8(8-))
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The people chosen for the letters-most of them were in the public domain and were 'high profile' like Jordan Cunliffe etc, I suspect they only had to type in 'possible miscarriages of justice' into google and it would give them all the information they would need.
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i wonder where the names came from for the prisoners that received the letters from JOA and of course who had signed them 8-)(--)
Prisons through out the UK have been in receipt of flyers from JOA.The prison services have been notified.It makes you wonder who would help any fraudulent organisation like this.
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The people chosen for the letters-most of them were in the public domain and were 'high profile' like Jordan Cunliffe etc, I suspect they only had to type in 'possible miscarriages of justice' into google and it would give them all the information they would need.
Objection.. This is very misleading.. who is your source for this or were you involved?
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The people chosen for the letters-most of them were in the public domain and were 'high profile' like Jordan Cunliffe etc, I suspect they only had to type in 'possible miscarriages of justice' into google and it would give them all the information they would need.
Thanks Joanne, Was it on JOA paperwork? who signed it ? who had access to the paperwork ect? wonder if they got any replies...where did the replies (if any) go to ?
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The Trustees up to that point were..
Kevin Craigie, Akin Sankofa, Ms Joanne Howe and Mrs Doreen Smithyman.
Ms Leanne Woods name was on the original document when Kevin Craigie took over JOA.It was then removed. These details were on the orginal charity commissions website.A historical search will provide evidence of this.
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The people chosen for the letters-most of them were in the public domain and were 'high profile' like Jordan Cunliffe etc, I suspect they only had to type in 'possible miscarriages of justice' into google and it would give them all the information they would need.
Objection.. This is very misleading.. who is your source for this or were you involved?
I had a letter from Wyndham Thomas who I write to, he'd had one so I pssed the information on. Kevin asked round and he got hold of the nems of other people who had had letters. At the time Kevin put a message up of facebook on the Justice on appeal page to tell people we hadn't sent the letter out and to inform him if they or someone they knoew had had a letter.
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The people chosen for the letters-most of them were in the public domain and were 'high profile' like Jordan Cunliffe etc, I suspect they only had to type in 'possible miscarriages of justice' into google and it would give them all the information they would need.
Thanks Joanne, Was it on JOA paperwork? who signed it ? who had access to the paperwork ect? wonder if they got any replies...where did the replies (if any) go to ?
I never saw a copy of the sent letter, I'm sure if you either go onto Craigies Angels on facebook or ask some of the other justice groups, someone will have one. I have not seen one and I don't know it's contents. Kevin will have more details than me, my concern at the time was to let people know not to take it seriously.
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so can i ask Joanne , when did you first come into contact with Craigie,How did you two "meet" (so to speak) ? when was your name put onto the offical paperwork for JOA , When did you become aware of this ? If you had signed no papers, what did Kevin Craigie say when you told him you were aware that you were on there?
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The Trustees up to that point were..
Kevin Craigie, Akin Sankofa, Ms Joanne Howe and Mrs Doreen Smithyman.
So, are you saying Lea Anne was a trustee when Darren had the charity?
I am Led to Believe that the Charity was handed over to Kevin Craigie and Leanne was also on the paperwork
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The people chosen for the letters-most of them were in the public domain and were 'high profile' like Jordan Cunliffe etc, I suspect they only had to type in 'possible miscarriages of justice' into google and it would give them all the information they would need.
Thanks Joanne, Was it on JOA paperwork? who signed it ? who had access to the paperwork ect? wonder if they got any replies...where did the replies (if any) go to ?
I never saw a copy of the sent letter, I'm sure if you either go onto Craigies Angels on facebook or ask some of the other justice groups, someone will have one. I have not seen one and I don't know it's contents. Kevin will have more details than me, my concern at the time was to let people know not to take it seriously.
oh he blocked me ages ago @)(++(*..JOA that was ...Darren Bolger ...when he wanted money to even look at a case ...smelt a big rat then 8)-)))
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The announcement!!(2011) 16 June 15:26
Kevin Craigie 2 minutes ago
Justice on Appeal is now the leading organisation which assists those who are not guilty, and also their families. ( Kevin Craigie) ( Chairman)
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The people chosen for the letters-most of them were in the public domain and were 'high profile' like Jordan Cunliffe etc, I suspect they only had to type in 'possible miscarriages of justice' into google and it would give them all the information they would need.
Thanks Joanne, Was it on JOA paperwork? who signed it ? who had access to the paperwork ect? wonder if they got any replies...where did the replies (if any) go to ?
I never saw a copy of the sent letter, I'm sure if you either go onto Craigies Angels on facebook or ask some of the other justice groups, someone will have one. I have not seen one and I don't know it's contents. Kevin will have more details than me, my concern at the time was to let people know not to take it seriously.
What about the people that did take it seriously were you concerned about them.I sense this is all a bit of fun for you.What happens when the police come knocking on your door will you be concerned then?
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so can i ask Joanne , when did you first come into contact with Craigie,How did you two "meet" (so to speak) ? when was your name put onto the offical paperwork for JOA , When did you become aware of this ? If you had signed no papers, what did Kevin Craigie say when you told him you were aware that you were on there?
It was on facebook. I cannot remember the exact times but I could look at old mail and tell you when we first started messaging if you want. At the time, I was trying to deal with the things I was scared of one of which was the fear of getting arrested for a crime I hadn't done because it had happened to my friend David.
I have never seen him face to face, I've never factimed him or webcamed him etc.
I don't know when my name went on the JOA paperwork, I remember him (Kevin) meeting Darren Bolger, I phoned one day while Darren was there and phoned back. I had a brief chat about committees in the begining but I didn't think anymore of it, we did have an indepth chat about possible funding and I sent him a list of people to approach-I don't know if he ever contacted them.
I was the carer for my Grandfather (Eric), I got Carers allowence on underlying benefits (about £15 a week), last September Eric (after a long spell in hospital and a half way house) went into a nursing home and my father (who hadn't had any input until then) wanted power of attourney (but it wasn't simple because by then Eric had been diagnosed with dementia), so I handed all his financial details over, I'd spent Erics money during the 2 years I'd been caring for him, so my Dad hit the roof and said he was calling the bank and the police, so at this point I called Kevin and said it might be as well that if I was indeed listed as a committee member it might not look good even though I hadn't done anything wrong. Kevin said it was ok. The police and bank's fraud unit NEVER got in touch and my dad later said he said it because he was annoyed and I had reittereated that when Eric died I would cover the cost of the funeral which I did. The only mistake I made was not keeping a running tally and receipts.
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I had a letter from Wyndham Thomas who I write to, he'd had one so I pssed the information on. Kevin asked round and he got hold of the nems of other people who had had letters. At the time Kevin put a message up of facebook on the Justice on appeal page to tell people we hadn't sent the letter out and to inform him if they or someone they knoew had had a letter.
So How would Kevin know where to start ...it must have been like a needle in a haystack ...wonder how many letters he sent to find out if these people had had a letter from him!!! I'm smelling something very wrong here ..i don't expect to get answers from Kevin, he never has answered and never will, well not to the likes of little me ..perhaps a quick word with the charity commission would be a line of action 8(0(*
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The Trustees up to that point were..
Kevin Craigie, Akin Sankofa, Ms Joanne Howe and Mrs Doreen Smithyman.
So, are you saying Lea Anne was a trustee when Darren had the charity?
Whats your game joanne
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Justice On Appeal
After many years of fighting injustice and with knowledge of the legal fraternity, Mr Darren Bolger Trustee (Chair) and Founder: Justice on appeal has resigned as from the 30th May 2011.
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It's not a bit of fun, it was never about 'fun' so that statement is foolish.
I'm not concerned about the police coming, it would be better for me if they did because at the minute they are not taking anything seriously.
No one took up the offer on the letters from JOA sent out, the police didn't come out then either.
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The Trustees up to that point were..
Kevin Craigie, Akin Sankofa, Ms Joanne Howe and Mrs Doreen Smithyman.
So, are you saying Lea Anne was a trustee when Darren had the charity?
Whats your game joanne
I havent got one, I'm trying to understand what's going on, I don't do game but I suspect 'guest' accounts do, time will tell.
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so can i ask Joanne , when did you first come into contact with Craigie,How did you two "meet" (so to speak) ? when was your name put onto the offical paperwork for JOA , When did you become aware of this ? If you had signed no papers, what did Kevin Craigie say when you told him you were aware that you were on there?
It was on facebook. I cannot remember the exact times but I could look at old mail and tell you when we first started messaging if you want. At the time, I was trying to deal with the things I was scared of one of which was the fear of getting arrested for a crime I hadn't done because it had happened to my friend David.
I have never seen him face to face, I've never factimed him or webcamed him etc.
I don't know when my name went on the JOA paperwork, I remember him (Kevin) meeting Darren Bolger, I phoned one day while Darren was there and phoned back. I had a brief chat about committees in the begining but I didn't think anymore of it, we did have an indepth chat about possible funding and I sent him a list of people to approach-I don't know if he ever contacted them.
I was the carer for my Grandfather (Eric), I got Carers allowence on underlying benefits (about £15 a week), last September Eric (after a long spell in hospital and a half way house) went into a nursing home and my father (who hadn't had any input until then) wanted power of attourney (but it wasn't simple because by then Eric had been diagnosed with dementia), so I handed all his financial details over, I'd spent Erics money during the 2 years I'd been caring for him, so my Dad hit the roof and said he was calling the bank and the police, so at this point I called Kevin and said it might be as well that if I was indeed listed as a committee member it might not look good even though I hadn't done anything wrong. Kevin said it was ok. The police and bank's fraud unit NEVER got in touch and my dad later said he said it because he was annoyed and I had reittereated that when Eric died I would cover the cost of the funeral which I did. The only mistake I made was not keeping a running tally and receipts.
Im so sorry Joanne , But at the time you were a very vulnerable lady, Did Kevin know what you were going through?If so it seems yet again he picked his Victim carefully 8()(((@#
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I haven't got a game, I am here and I am trying to get to the bottom of this, there are enough people playing games, signing in under guest account, passing information on and then pm'ing me on other forums, do yourselves a favour and get an account instead of pleading from afar, everytime something gets hot on here the guest count goes through the roof.
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LATEST ANNOUNCEMENT
by Kevin Craigie on Wednesday, 15 June 2011 at 18:45
This morning I had a five hour meeting with Darren Bolger and another trustee. As from today, I am pleased to announce, that as from today, that I am in sole control of the charitible organisation Justice on Appeal. At the moment I am the "Chairman", but this will change to "Executive Director" in the late summer.My appointed trustee board is an impressive catalogue of determined and influencial people.Thank you for all your support, together, we shall all make a significant difference.
Hmmm mind R Leclerc made appointments through Jengba with Bolger JOA for SJ's mother!!The poor woman had no knowledge of any MOJ org.other than being contacted out of the blue by Jengba when Craigie was involved!
Am I to believe it is all about money?
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I haven't got a game, I am here and I am trying to get to the bottom of this, there are enough people playing games, signing in under guest account, passing information on and then pm'ing me on other forums, do yourselves a favour and get an account instead of pleading from afar, everytime something gets hot on here the guest count goes through the roof.
ignore it Joanne , Its probably Kevin Again or one of his friends ( or even his friends friend 8(0(*)....he hasn't got the guts to use his account anymore .
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I've been extremely stupid and naive to a point where if I was someone else reading this I'd be thinking 'f..king silly b........' which absolutely nails it.
I can assure anyone else reading it, yes I am devestated byt whats going and what has gone on and I so want to get this stopped and I know there is a chance i could get in deep deep trouble with the police about this because they're not going to buy ignorance of the law. But I cannot change what has happened, te only thing I can do is deal with it now.
The reason I asked if Lea Anne was on the paperwork is because she thinks she isn't and she needs to be told if this could get serious for her in this. Yes she hasn't signed anything but I don't know how we stand here.
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spineless gutless reptile 8((()*/ Preying on the vulnerable when he should be praying for his soul.
lest we forget a convicted murderer not a MOJ
Mr Rothwell RIP
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I'm not sure where to go from here , but you both have been at some point involved in the JOA charity, yet neither of you have signed anything...hmmm perhaps Admin could give us some guidance on that one
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Me neither.
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I'm not sure where to go from here , but you both have been at some point involved in the JOA charity, yet neither of you have signed anything...hmmm perhaps Admin could give us some guidance on that one
Did Lea know she was involved? Was she pro active or just her name down on paper?
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When we mailed each other earlier, Lea Anne thought (and I say thought) Kevin MIGHT have put her name down on something but as far as I know she hasn't been proactive or involved which is why I asked when and indeed if her name was down on the JOA paperwork, when was it? Lea told me she wasn't going to log in here anymore and so did her friend but obviously someone has because I've been accused now of playing game which is ludicrous. All I want to know is if she is involved and how much so, if she is so that I can advise her because she needs to know, what I don't sppreciate is her friends of making accusations and insinuating I am a game player. This is serious, even an idiot could see this.
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In some jurisdictions, an accessory is distinguished from an accomplice, who normally is present at the crime and participates in some way. An accessory must generally have knowledge that a crime is being, or will be committed. A person with such knowledge may become an accessory by helping or encouraging the criminal in some way, or simply by failing to report the crime to proper authority. The assistance to the criminal may be of any type, including emotional or financial assistance as well as physical assistance or concealment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term)
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What crime do you not think has been reported?
The jails had copies of the letter claiming to be fro JOA and I had no knowledge what crime has been committed. I went to the police last week with the evidence I had and they didn't want to know.
If you want a swipe at me, man up, open an account and say it instead of puttin cryptic messages up. The minute I sussed Kevin wasn't actually very nice, I did everything in my power to dis-assosiate with him and pass on what I knew.
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When we mailed each other earlier, Lea Anne thought (and I say thought) Kevin MIGHT have put her name down on something but as far as I know she hasn't been proactive or involved which is why I asked when and indeed if her name was down on the JOA paperwork, when was it? Lea told me she wasn't going to log in here anymore and so did her friend but obviously someone has because I've been accused now of playing game which is ludicrous. All I want to know is if she is involved and how much so, if she is so that I can advise her because she needs to know, what I don't sppreciate is her friends of making accusations and insinuating I am a game player. This is serious, even an idiot could see this.
Run with the fox hunt with the hounds Not a good way to be Joanne.Truth is the best policy as you realise 8((()*/
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Definately so. There's no way I could lie about this, the friggin' truth is hard enough to keep up with her without being on fantasy island. I hope KC and his sunshiners realise how much trouble their lying has caused, I doubt it like because you need a conscience.
RIP Mr Rothwell.
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Definately so. There's no way I could lie about this, the friggin' truth is hard enough to keep up with her without being on fantasy island. I hope KC and his sunshiners realise how much trouble their lying has caused, I doubt it like because you need a conscience.
RIP Mr Rothwell.
Leanne have a conscience, you are kidding right
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I haven't mentioned Lea Anne so lay off that one, everytime I post you want to bring Lea Anne into it, even when I have responded it's not being read and now you're bringing her into things that are nowhere near her name, all this from someone who told me they weren't going to log into here anymore.
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I haven't been following this too closely guys but I don't see any point in getting at Joanne. She has obviously had her name used without her permission on charity documents. She wasn't even aware of this until quite recently as far as I understand.
Please keep the posts friendly in all interactions.
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I haven't been following this too closely guys but I don't see any point in getting at Joanne. She has obviously had her name used without her permission on charity documents. She wasn't even aware of this until quite recently as far as I understand.
Please keep the posts friendly in all interactions.
8((()*/
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This is about the lies and slimes of KC along with his claim to be a MOJ.Sadly there are those that have been hurt, taken in,used,fooled by him.There are those too that have colluded and assisted him to do any of those things.KC wanted exposure,now he has it. Mr Craigie master manipulator, in your great recall of literates their works,psalms and proverbs you must have forgotten" the higher the monkey climbs the more he exposes"
RIP Mr.Rothwell
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I haven't been following this too closely guys but I don't see any point in getting at Joanne. She has obviously had her name used without her permission on charity documents. She wasn't even aware of this until quite recently as far as I understand.
Please keep the posts friendly in all interactions.
Thank you 8((()*/
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I haven't been following this too closely guys but I don't see any point in getting at Joanne. She has obviously had her name used without her permission on charity documents. She wasn't even aware of this until quite recently as far as I understand.
Please keep the posts friendly in all interactions.
Evening John . Joanne isn't the only one that has been played,duped,conned and attacked by Kevin Craigie...but together we can make a difference ( whoops i sounded like him them @)(++(*)..we don't need money to do something about him, all we need is FACTS...we have those and should ALL use them to stop this Manipulative thing from causing more hurt ,damage and total disregard to other humans ...yes he shew no regard the night Mr Rothwell died Either...Some people never change
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LATEST ANNOUNCEMENT
by Kevin Craigie on Wednesday, 15 June 2011 at 18:45
This morning I had a five hour meeting with Darren Bolger and another trustee. As from today, I am pleased to announce, that as from today, that I am in sole control of the charitible organisation Justice on Appeal. At the moment I am the "Chairman", but this will change to "Executive Director" in the late summer.My appointed trustee board is an impressive catalogue of determined and influencial people.Thank you for all your support, together, we shall all make a significant difference.
Hmmm mind R Leclerc made appointments through Jengba with Bolger JOA for SJ's mother!!The poor woman had no knowledge of any MOJ org.other than being contacted out of the blue by Jengba when Craigie was involved!
Am I to believe it is all about money?
How was Bolger introduced to KC?
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'Evening John . Joanne isn't the only one that has been played,duped,conned and attacked by Kevin Craigie...but together we can make a difference ( whoops i sounded like him them )..we don't need money to do something about him, all we need is FACTS...we have those and should ALL use them to stop this Manipulative thing from causing more hurt ,damage and total disregard to other humans ...yes he shew no regard the night Mr Rothwell died Either...Some people never change'
Definately. The only way we can stop him is if we work together to try and accumulate fact. So, please lets do it, I'm sure we all want the same thing.
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im off to bed now....that vile excuse of a man is really getting under my skin..the more i read , the more i detest everything about him.. 8()(((@# i wonder if he has his next victim in his sight 8(8-))
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Am i correct in thinking that this Kevin Craigie is Saying he is a Miscarriage of Justice. Is he also saying that he was not part of a Joint Enterprise. Or is he Saying he isnt Guilty of Murder. From reading the posts and papers available on this Forum, it would seem that he was indeed part of the Joint Enterprise. Now Murder that is different. He maintains the marks on his wrist were received from Fuller when he put his hand up to stop him beating the victim.
At what point did he see Fuller beating the victim, Was he involved in beating the victim and received those injury's whilst doing so. Fuller says he was afraid of Craigie. But craigie says he was afraid of Fuller. Was he forced to participate in making it look like it was a burglary. Or is this just an elaborate lie to shift guilt.
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Am i correct in thinking that this Kevin Craigie is Saying he is a Miscarriage of Justice. Is he also saying that he was not part of a Joint Enterprise. Or is he Saying he isnt Guilty of Murder. From reading the posts and papers available on this Forum, it would seem that he was indeed part of the Joint Enterprise. Now Murder that is different. He maintains the marks on his wrist were received from Fuller when he put his hand up to stop him beating the victim.
At what point did he see Fuller beating the victim, Was he involved in beating the victim and received those injury's whilst doing so. Fuller says he was afraid of Craigie. But craigie says he was afraid of Fuller. Was he forced to participate in making it look like it was a burglary. Or is this just an elaborate lie to shift guilt.
Personally; I don't think Craigie's case deserves air time. He's a fraud!! A liar!! An internet troll and bully and a stalker - to name but a few of his crimes.
I think if you had the bigger picture on this man you may well feel the same?!
We haven't even scratched the surface!!
He's been exposed and there's still a lot more to come out regarding what he's been up to these past few years.
Sadly it would seem not only has he left a trail of victims in his wake, it appears that others may well have been party to what is about to be exposed.
It's a sad and sorry state of affairs!
I've had no choice but to go to the police about him, he hasn't left me alone in one form or another, for a few years.
Some forum members and readers may think it was something to do with some facebook messages but I have evidence going back a few years and so do many others.
He has defamed my name and he well knows it. I have a rock solid case against him thanks to Karen Torley but I'm not interested in that.
This man is dangerous in my opinion and it has been brought to the attention of the authorities.
Shame some people seem to be playing a game and protecting their own interests; instead of thinking of others.
Doesn't really answer my Questions though.
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Am i correct in thinking that this Kevin Craigie is Saying he is a Miscarriage of Justice. Is he also saying that he was not part of a Joint Enterprise. Or is he Saying he isnt Guilty of Murder. From reading the posts and papers available on this Forum, it would seem that he was indeed part of the Joint Enterprise. Now Murder that is different. He maintains the marks on his wrist were received from Fuller when he put his hand up to stop him beating the victim.
At what point did he see Fuller beating the victim, Was he involved in beating the victim and received those injury's whilst doing so. Fuller says he was afraid of Craigie. But craigie says he was afraid of Fuller. Was he forced to participate in making it look like it was a burglary. Or is this just an elaborate lie to shift guilt.
My understanding in reading the statements is that C&F set out on a venture to "roll" someone albeit ended in murder.If C tried to stop F (?) why did he not acknowledge the people that came to the door ,run out and shout for help
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Middleman I also need to add that Craigie's vile behaviour towards vulnerable fellow human beings leaves many unconcerned about his claims to be a MOJ case.He has proven himself to be a manipulative deceitful liar.
My opinion Craigie is guilty RIP Mr.Rothwell,
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Thankyou for your responses but it fails to answer the question, the questions are related to the crime. Not what he has done since. So is he guilty of Murder. Or should the charge have been Perverting the Course of Justice.
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Middleman please read the statements draw your own conclusions.
My opinion is he is guilty of JE murder.
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But what does Mr Craigie say. You simply can not hang a man because you dislike him. Afterall was he panicing in the Police station, or even scared. Did he know Fuller was going to murder the victim.
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couple of steps back did he know Fuller was going to rob,did he repent at the time Fuller was bludgeoning the victim NO NO NO.couple of steps forward did he assist Fuller in stealing the victims car and chattels YES YES YES.Did he then repent NO NO NO GUILTY of JE Murder!!!
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Have you seen the court transcripts. The Judges Summing up, there is a lot said about what the Judge said.
Has Mr Craigie made available these papers. You simply can not convict a man on half of a story.
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Middleman> we did not convict Craigie.Events he involved himself in on that dreadful night convicted him 10-2.
End of.Craigie has gone on to prove himself to be that vile deceitful and underhanded character that accompanied Fuller.Craigie did not repent at the time Fuller was bludgeoning the victim he went onto assist Fuller to rob the victim?
A fellow human being was bludgeoned near to death Craigie chose to assist Fuller to rob and hightail it out of there in the victims car.He chose to steal the victims chattels rather than use his energy to get assistance for the victim.
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Night all.......though I might need nightol the way I am feeling @)(++(*
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If Kevin Craigie Wants to prove his MOJ why has he not spoken out.
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I know nothing of this mans activities, which seem to be exercising everyone so much on here.
Having read a little about his case, I can't begin to comprehend how he thinks that he is a MOJ.
I don't care if he didn't once strike that man, he is as responsible as his accomplice. I read, with interest his claim that members of the jury wept, because they were forced to return a guilty verdict. What a bell end.
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It seems like a lynch mob mentality, let him have his say.
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It is my understanding that Mr Craigie gives up his spare time to work for the CAB. Helping those less fortunate than themselves, He also writes articles for the Prison paper. Are these the actions of a Murderer.
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It is my understanding that Mr Craigie gives up his spare time to work for the CAB. Helping those less fortunate than themselves, He also writes articles for the Prison paper. Are these the actions of a Murderer.
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It seems like a lynch mob mentality, let him have his say.
Do you have children Middle Man, we can send him round to baby sit if you like 8-)(--)
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Well it seems he came here to protest his innocence and has been ridicled.
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It is my understanding that Mr Craigie gives up his spare time to work for the CAB. Helping those less fortunate than themselves, He also writes articles for the Prison paper. Are these the actions of a Murderer.
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It seems like a lynch mob mentality, let him have his say.
Its always the same few who claim 'lynch mob mentality' isn't it? Why couldn't Kevin just admit his part in it, at least he might have had a chance to sort things out and make amends but instead he's claiming innocence and showing no remorse and still carrying on doing the same old same old while implicating other people (like myself) into his underhand tactics and carrying on doing the same. Now I'm finding out he's put my name to things, letters have been sent out by someone claiming to be from the charity he put my name to, advertised MOJ without the person (or their families) consent and so on. So, now I'm at real risk of being of being associated with him to, except I'm here trying to face the music and hoping some of the other forum members can help me because actually they're not a ,lynch mob, they're straight talking people who know the law better than I do and I'd sooner deal with straight talker than people who shy away from the truth, sometimes the truth hurts but it's not going to correct itself if you chose to run off at every turn.
I'm sure one of the accounts claiming lynch mob was KC or one of his merry helpers, if it is a merry helper I suggest you wise up because it's possible he's doing to you what he did to me.
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8-)(--) volunteer or otherwise;convicted murderer on life licence allowed to work with vulnerable people? Articles;Stories written for prison newspaper?
"FEED THE BIRDS, TUPPENCE,TUPPENCE,TUPPENCE A BAG".
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It seems like a lynch mob mentality, let him have his say.
Do you have children Middle Man, we can send him round to baby sit if you like 8-)(--)
Rhetoric ? The vile version of Mrs.Doubtfire? @)(++(* @)(++(*
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It seems like a lynch mob mentality, let him have his say.
Do you have children Middle Man, we can send him round to baby sit if you like 8-)(--)
Rhetoric ? The vile version of Mrs.Doubtfire? @)(++(* @)(++(*
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8)><( let's not forget the victim. RIP Mr Rothwell
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It seems like a lynch mob mentality, let him have his say.
Do you have children Middle Man, we can send him round to baby sit if you like 8-)(--)
Rhetoric ? The vile version of Mrs.Doubtfire? @)(++(* @)(++(*
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8)><(let's not forget the victim. RIP Mr Rothwell
RIP Mr Rothwell 8(8-))
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It is my understanding that Mr Craigie gives up his spare time to work for the CAB. Helping those less fortunate than themselves, He also writes articles for the Prison paper. Are these the actions of a Murderer.
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It is my understanding that Mr Craigie gives up his spare time to work for the CAB. Helping those less fortunate than themselves, He also writes articles for the Prison paper. Are these the actions of a Murderer.
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I don't believe for one minute, that Craigie went out that night, with the intention of murdering someone.
However, he and his accomplice were always running that risk by battering their victims, in order to rob them.
If he is now helping other people, as you claim, then perhaps this is as a result of having a guilty conscience.
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I was responding to a comment about Kevin Craigie, not Simon Hall. My feelings regarding the Craigie case are quite different to that of your husbands.
I did not intend to goad anyone. I was offering my own honest opinion, as wrong as I maybe.
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Sorry, I'm a little confused!
Are you suggesting that I shouldn't discuss the Craigie case and should concentrate on more beneficial matters, or do you misunderstand my opinion of Cragie?
I believe that he is guilty as charged and as I have pointed out previously, I am blissfully ignorant of his actions since conviction.
For the record, I believe that there is more than sufficient doubt, to secure your husband an appeal hearing. My position on this hasn't changed since I posted it the other day on the relevant thread.
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Sorry, I'm a little confused!
Are you suggesting that I shouldn't discuss the Craigie case and should concentrate on more beneficial matters, or do you misunderstand my opinion of Cragie?
I believe that he is guilty as charged and as I have pointed out previously, I am blissfully ignorant of his actions since conviction.
For the record, I believe that there is more than sufficient doubt, to secure your husband an appeal hearing. My position on this hasn't changed since I posted it the other day on the relevant thread.
My emotions run high; because of the fact my husband is in prison and I've witnessed first hand the INjustice that is our criminal justice system.
My husband remains in prison and the real killers are at large. They have shown no remorse - they have not been punished for their vile crimes!!
Again; my emotions run high because of my circumstances and the fact that today, Simon should be enjoying breakfast at home with me, not rotting in jail.
People like Craigie are no more than s..m - I am entitled to say this am I not?!
By all means post till your hearts content about Craigie and his case but in my opinion, there is no case to answer - GUILY AS CHARGED!
RIP Mr Rothwell
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Come out Sika from behind your veil.
We can all play the game but to be ignorant is bliss clearly... 8(0(*
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I thought Sika was asking completely reasonable questions!
I don't understand what's going on...he was supportive of Simon's case, Stephanie.
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Everyone is entitled to think whatever they want, but you have to understand that many people (myself included) are new to these cases. I'd like to learn more about all of them, but when I see folk take an interest on a forum and ask questions, only to be told that they are ignorant and sitting on the fence I find it really off-putting.
I completely understand your frustration Stephanie - I won't even pretend I can imagine what you're going through, but responding to people asking honest questions like that won't encourage them to stick around.
To be honest, I've given up myself.
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Let me just say i do not know this Man. But it seems he is not allowed his say. So you are now saying he has put your names to official documentation. I would have thought that if someone said " I am going to make you treasurer" then it is common sense your name will be associated. You are not given this man a chance.
All MOJ people have been found guilty in a Court of Law, just like Mr Craigie. Let him have his say, listen to what he has to say before making judgements. I am so glad we have abolished Hanging. there would be a lot of people with long necks if members of this forum were Jury Members 8(8-)) 8(8-))
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Read the Papers in the case Middle Man, K.C. Is guilty as sin, and had we had hanging in this country it would mean one less misfit for us to deal with. END OFF. ?>)()< ?>)()< ?>)()< ?>)()<
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Its always the same few who claim 'lynch mob mentality' isn't it? Why couldn't Kevin just admit his part in it, at least he might have had a chance to sort things out and make amends but instead he's claiming innocence and showing no remorse and still carrying on doing the same old same old while implicating other people (like myself) into his underhand tactics and carrying on doing the same. Now I'm finding out he's put my name to things, letters have been sent out by someone claiming to be from the charity he put my name to, advertised MOJ without the person (or their families) consent and so on. So, now I'm at real risk of being of being associated with him to, except I'm here trying to face the music and hoping some of the other forum members can help me because actually they're not a ,lynch mob, they're straight talking people who know the law better than I do and I'd sooner deal with straight talker than people who shy away from the truth, sometimes the truth hurts but it's not going to correct itself if you chose to run off at every turn.
I'm sure one of the accounts claiming lynch mob was KC or one of his merry helpers, if it is a merry helper I suggest you wise up because it's possible he's doing to you what he did to me.
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Joanne , Are you saying the letters sent out from JOA had your name on them ? is there a signature? who's was this ? was it pp'd JOA ?
Kevin is a very devious person, Giving his log in details for his various accounts, he believes he has a "get out clause" ...like this....oh so and so had my details, so did so and so ...but what he doesn't realise is the abusive emails/ threats etc can be traced back to his ip address ?{)(** Now it seems that letting others take the "rap" for his doings is all part of his game , but like all games, there is a winner and a loser...he will not win his game, not now or ever ..the finishing line is fast approaching for Craigie
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So who Says he did all this, have you seen the proof. or is it being made up to settle a scoore. Simple Question.
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Dont Shoot the Messenger.
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The Legal System in this Country does Make Mistakes. Did they make a Mistake in the Craigie Case. From his Pictures he doesnt look that bright. Maybe he is telling the truth, but no one will listen. He may well be a down to Earth loving caring sort of chap.
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The Legal System in this Country does Make Mistakes. Did they make a Mistake in the Craigie Case. From his Pictures he doesnt look that bright. Maybe he is telling the truth, but no one will listen. He may well be a down to Earth loving caring sort of chap.
99% of Gay Men are loving. Kind hearted and GENTLE.
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The letter sent out in the name of JOA didn't have my name on. They had JOA on them not an individual name as far as I know.
I hve NEVER signed anything to do with JOA and/or Kevin Craigie and I did not give permission for ANYONE to pp my signature. I asked if anything needed to be signed when the charity was going to be closed if I needed to sign anything and was told no, so I did look for proof that he had indeed closed the charity.
What worries me is the other 2 people named on the trustees board, they might not know they were put down as such and I don't know them, so I cannot let them know.
I had the log in details for the facebook JOA account to look something up, I do not think it was an intention on Kevin's part that I would keep the details but I put it to memory and I only logged back in when he came on here and was operating fake accounts, I didn't think he'd be so stupid as to document that he was doing this in private mails.
Kevin has since changed the passwords to his now Kevin Craigies page.
Is he allowed to work for an advice centre of any kind or a HIV/Aids charity? The latter must come under vulnerable people, surely.
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So who Says he did all this, have you seen the proof. or is it being made up to settle a scoore. Simple Question.
There is no score to settle, what needs sorting out is how many other people he has targetted in his underhand tactics by putting their name on documents that they are not aware of, keeping files he isn't entitled to of people who do not want representing by him and quite franky he hasn't done ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to help them, the lies he tells ie I am innocent when he clearly isn't and the sheer amount of organisations he infiltrates, he goes round them all like he did JENGbA saying he'll help them but he doesn't, he took over JOA and did nothing. Then there's the articles he writes for the insider times where he claims to be a MOJ when he clearly isn't.
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You are right M.M. you do not know K.C. he is a tw... He is economical with the truth.
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Eh? What's being gay got to do with the price of fish??!
You can't say that someone isn't capable of murder because of their sexual orientation, just as much as you can't say they ARE capable of murder because of it!
There was a story yesterday on the BBC about a father in Texas who found a man raping his 5 year old daughter. He beat him up to stop him attacking her, and the rapist subsequently died. While the man was still alive, he called the Police, told them what had happened and begged them to get there faster because the man was dying. NOTHING about what that man did was premeditated.
Even if KC had called the Police two DAYS after what happened I would have more sympathy for him. The fact is, he did nothing about it while it was happening and nothing about it after it had happened. It may not have been premeditated, but that doesn't excuse him in my opinion.
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Is he allowed to work for an advice centre of any kind or a HIV/Aids charity? The latter must come under vulnerable people, surely.
Anybody working with young, old , disabled and vulnerable people has to by law be covered by a CRB , even on a volunteer basis ,in most cases now these are Enhanced Checks and are very in-depth..anything in his past would flag up a potential "warning bell" ..these "warning bells are never ignored by the "Employer"...
If Craigie has filled a CRB Check form out , then he has to disclose ALL his criminal convictions ...this then goes off to the police for clarification, now when that check got sent back to CAB they would /should have contacted the police to ask a question (although they would not get details from the police about the crimes) That Question being....BASED ON THIS PERSONS CRIMINAL RECORD DOES HE POSE A THREAT IN THE LINE OF WORK HE WILL BE DOING ? they will get their answer, go away and make a decision based on that answer...But if the police say he is a threat then they have to look out for the people for whom they are looking out for , if anything came to light after this fact, they would have to reconsider their decision ...Do you get what I'm saying Joanne ?
But if he wasn't quite truthful on his application then ,that's another matter ..
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I am reading all of your comments and I am taking on board of what is being said, I decided yesterday I wasn't going to continue being the messenger and I have deactivated my facebook account, people need to speak for themselves and yes, in the end they'll look after their own ends.
Thank you all of you for your posts and advice, I do appreciate them all and the time people are spending to try and expose Kevin and to help me. 8((()*/
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Stephanie, I'm not ridiculing you and if you feel like I have then I sincerely apologise because it certainly wasn't my intention.
I'm not going to morph into any other user name - I don't post here as a guest (I think I may have made one post as a guest and then signed up). I'm 100% confident that any admin will be able to tell you that I post and visit here on 3 IP addresses - my home, phone and work and that I don't post as anyone else, ever.
I can't say where you said that to Sika because you didn't - the point I was trying to make (admittedly really badly) was that someone who had offered you support asked some questions about another case and you jumped on him.
I am interested in Simon's case but I'm not going to sit here and lie to you and say that I'm a "supporter" because to me a supporter is someone who writes letters to MP's, blogs, puts out facebook status updates and actively does things to get the word out. I don't know anywhere near enough about it to be that useful to him or you. I am trying to learn, though - right now, I don't feel that encouraged, though. 8(8-))
Anyway, believe it or not, I do wish you well. Good luck.
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Come out Sika from behind your veil.
We can all play the game but to be ignorant is bliss clearly... 8(0(*
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Hello, I wasn't being rude and ignoring you. I had to pop out for a few hours.
Stephanie, are you also 'middle women'?
I don't really understand your hostility towards me to be honest. It would appear that I am in complete agreement with you regarding both your husbands case and that of Cragies.
The only information I have read regarding Cragies activities since his conviction, has been on here. To be honest, some of those threads I find hard to follow.
If I may be so bold as to ask, how has he directly affected your particular battle for justice?
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The Legal System in this Country does Make Mistakes. Did they make a Mistake in the Craigie Case. From his Pictures he doesnt look that bright. Maybe he is telling the truth, but no one will listen. He may well be a down to Earth loving caring sort of chap.
99% of Gay Men are loving. Kind hearted and GENTLE.
'Clutching at straws' springs to mind! No offence!
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Stephanie, that's a real shame that you have decided not to post here in future, although completely understandable.
I would be very interested to learn more about Simons case and ask you loads of questions!
In Simons case it seems that the police decided he was responsible from quite an early stage and gathered evidence to suit, totally disregarding any information that didn't suit.
I have also been the victim of a police stitch up along with another couple of members of my family. I was not sent to prison and it was all on a much smaller scale than Simons experience, but never the less, I can begin to understand how it eats you up inside. It was a valuable experience for me, it confirmed what I had always suspected, the majority of police are of low intelligence, are lazy and corruptible. You only have to watch one of those tacky real life police programmes on the tv to get an idea of what they are all about.
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I don't believe for one minute, that Craigie went out that night, with the intention of murdering someone.
However, he and his accomplice were always running that risk by battering their victims, in order to rob them.
If he is now helping other people, as you claim, then perhaps this is as a result of having a guilty conscience.
I agree with that comment sika. Kevin might be many things to many people and he may not be flavour of the month but I don't believe he is a cold blooded murderer. His actions though on the night Mr Rothwell was murdered were complicit with the act of Joint Enterprise. He had the chance to save him but he failed. End of!
I bet he wishes he had never heard of Mark Fuller.
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From reading what has gone on here recently it is obvious to me that some posters like to dish it out but cannot take the backlash.
Lets try to behave like adults folks and move on. 8(0(*
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Stephanie, that's a real shame that you have decided not to post here in future, although completely understandable.
I would be very interested to learn more about Simons case and ask you loads of questions!
In Simons case it seems that the police decided he was responsible from quite an early stage and gathered evidence to suit, totally disregarding any information that didn't suit.
I have also been the victim of a police stitch up along with another couple of members of my family. I was not sent to prison and it was all on a much smaller scale than Simons experience, but never the less, I can begin to understand how it eats you up inside. It was a valuable experience for me, it confirmed what I had always suspected, the majority of police are of low intelligence, are lazy and corruptible. You only have to watch one of those tacky real life police programmes on the tv to get an idea of what they are all about.
An unfortunate consequence of our throw-away society. There was a time when the police were respected but this has gradually diminshed as the decades have passed. I personally believe the politicians have much to answer for as has been seen quite recently with the cash for honours and the expenses fiasco's. As a democratic society we are expected to look up toi these people but when we see them behaving in such a manner it destroys the very fabric of our society. It is unfortunate but there is a corruption within our police forces and judicial authorities which in mnay cases goes right to the very top. The future is indeed bleak. 8(8-))
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Stephanie, that's a real shame that you have decided not to post here in future, although completely understandable.
I would be very interested to learn more about Simons case and ask you loads of questions!
In Simons case it seems that the police decided he was responsible from quite an early stage and gathered evidence to suit, totally disregarding any information that didn't suit.
I have also been the victim of a police stitch up along with another couple of members of my family. I was not sent to prison and it was all on a much smaller scale than Simons experience, but never the less, I can begin to understand how it eats you up inside. It was a valuable experience for me, it confirmed what I had always suspected, the majority of police are of low intelligence, are lazy and corruptible. You only have to watch one of those tacky real life police programmes on the tv to get an idea of what they are all about.
An unfortunate consequence of our throw-away society. There was a time when the police were respected but this has gradually diminshed as the decades have passed. I personally believe the politicians have much to answer for as has been seen quite recently with the cash for honours and the expenses fiasco's. As a democratic society we are expected to look up toi these people but when we see them behaving in such a manner it destroys the very fabric of our society. It is unfortunate but there is a corruption within our police forces and judicial authorities which in mnay cases goes right to the very top. The future is indeed bleak. 8(8-))
Amen - I couldn't agree more.
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The problem is that Kevin Craigie isn't helping others, what he does is promise plenty and delivers nothing whatsoever. He kept files from JENGbA and did not do anymore work on them and I believe he studied law in prison for his own use, so that he could form his own defence later.
I don't believe he has any remorse whatsoever, if he had, he wouldn't be spouting the same old same old (I am innocent, I was a MOJ) but he'd put his hands up and say "I made an absolute appauling decision that night, my act was unforgivable, however, I have done my prison time and I will now try and strive to help others and be a better person" or something along those lines instead of making promises he cannot keep.
He is messing with other people's lives and their families, if he is now working albeit paid or vounteering, how is he going to have time to aid these families who might be a MOJ, if he is working week days and hsving weekends off, then he isn't going to be in a position to call people up (like solicitors and people in authority) as a lot of these people work monday to friday and only have 'duty' people available out of hours.
Do these families (listed on the new members board) know that Kevin has their files, is claiming to represent them and also have they given permission for their cases to be put onto a forum?
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From reading what has gone on here recently it is obvious to me that some posters like to dish it out but cannot take the backlash.
Lets try to behave like adults folks and move on. 8(0(*
To which posters are you referring, John?
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The problem is that Kevin Craigie isn't helping others, what he does is promise plenty and delivers nothing whatsoever. He kept files from JENGbA and did not do anymore work on them and I believe he studied law in prison for his own use, so that he could form his own defence later.
I don't believe he has any remorse whatsoever, if he had, he wouldn't be spouting the same old same old (I am innocent, I was a MOJ) but he'd put his hands up and say "I made an absolute appauling decision that night, my act was unforgivable, however, I have done my prison time and I will now try and strive to help others and be a better person" or something along those lines instead of making promises he cannot keep.
He is messing with other people's lives and their families, if he is now working albeit paid or vounteering, how is he going to have time to aid these families who might be a MOJ, if he is working week days and hsving weekends off, then he isn't going to be in a position to call people up (like solicitors and people in authority) as a lot of these people work monday to friday and only have 'duty' people available out of hours.
Do these families (listed on the new members board) know that Kevin has their files, is claiming to represent them and also have they given permission for their cases to be put onto a forum?
Hi Joanne.
That is exactly the same philosophy he accuses others of practising. He accuses other organisations of taking on all comers and failing to assist 90% of them.
Am I right in saying that he took the files from JENGbA just before the split but initially refused to hand them back when the husband of one of his former associates turned up at his door? He did give them back eventually I understand?
Kevin talks about being innocent but what is he innocent of? Does he mean the murder, the failure to give medical assistance to the injured man, the failure to summon medical help, the robbery of goods from Mr Rothwell's home, the theft of his car?
How many other times had they done this to other unsuspecting gay men? They apparently took turns at who would entice the victim back to his home while the other followed covertly behind.
Kevin is working three days a week in a CAB office, his reasons for doing so are only known to him at this stage.
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From reading what has gone on here recently it is obvious to me that some posters like to dish it out but cannot take the backlash.
Lets try to behave like adults folks and move on. 8(0(*
To which posters are you referring, John?
The guests.
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I seem to remember someone went round to Kevin's house in Derby one Sunday afternoon (I won't name them because I may be wrong) with a view to retrieving the files Kevin had and I think (I only think) the laptop too but the police were called (I don't know the reason why) and I don't know if the files were returned or not.
That same day, what I can only call 'random, cryptic ramblings' appeared on Kevins facebook wall and a few people said 'Oh, he's drunk again' to which he replied 'its only PG Tips for me', later on that day or early the next day, the offending posts were removed. I think this is a trait that Kevin does, drinks, posts ramblings and then later takes it down, its happened a few times.
There was a newspaper article a while ago relating to Kevin taking the CAB to the tribunal, is this not a conflict of interest him going back to work for them?
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From reading what has gone on here recently it is obvious to me that some posters like to dish it out but cannot take the backlash.
Lets try to behave like adults folks and move on. 8(0(*
To which posters are you referring, John?
The guests.
Thanks John, I am desperate not to upset or antagonize Stephanie on here and hope that I haven't done so.
I can't begin to imagine how desperate she must feel. Are the alternative suspects aware that they are mentioned in the latest submissions to the CCRC?
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http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/CAB-made-me-sound-like-Frank-Spencer-.htm
Ohh... Betty!
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That same day, what I can only call 'random, cryptic ramblings' appeared on Kevins facebook wall and a few people said 'Oh, he's drunk again' to which he replied 'its only PG Tips for me', later on that day or early the next day, the offending posts were removed. I think this is a trait that Kevin does, drinks, posts ramblings and then later takes it down, its happened a few times.
Like Leanne then 8-)(--)
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I seem to remember someone went round to Kevin's house in Derby one Sunday afternoon (I won't name them because I may be wrong) with a view to retrieving the files Kevin had and I think (I only think) the laptop too but the police were called (I don't know the reason why) and I don't know if the files were returned or not.
That same day, what I can only call 'random, cryptic ramblings' appeared on Kevins facebook wall and a few people said 'Oh, he's drunk again' to which he replied 'its only PG Tips for me', later on that day or early the next day, the offending posts were removed. I think this is a trait that Kevin does, drinks, posts ramblings and then later takes it down, its happened a few times.
There was a newspaper article a while ago relating to Kevin taking the CAB to the tribunal, is this not a conflict of interest him going back to work for them?
I would think that Camden CAB have no knowledge of what went on in Derby.
EAST Staffordshire Citizens' Advice Bureau is being sued by a former employee who claims a reference it gave him wrecked his job prospects by portraying him as being like television idiot Frank Spencer.
Already an experienced CAB worker, he had risen from the rank of trainee advisor in Derby to deputy manager in Erewash in 18 months, a progression which normally takes five years.
Mr Craigie gave advice on issues ranging from debt to discrimination at work and initially enjoyed dealing with a caseload of five clients per day, but, keen to find a permanent post, opted to leave when he began to find the atmosphere in the office stressful.
Read more... (http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/CAB-made-me-sound-like-Frank-Spencer-.htm)
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From reading what has gone on here recently it is obvious to me that some posters like to dish it out but cannot take the backlash.
Lets try to behave like adults folks and move on. 8(0(*
To which posters are you referring, John?
The guests.
Thanks John, I am desperate not to upset or antagonize Stephanie on here and hope that I haven't done so.
I can't begin to imagine how desperate she must feel. Are the alternative suspects aware that they are mentioned in the latest submissions to the CCRC?
Stephanie has to cope with daily pressures which most people will never encounter in their lifetime. This can become intolerable at times and especially so when trolls who aren't in the least interested in Simon's case attack her from the relative safety of other forums.
Stephanie has always had the courage to post under her own name but this carries with it the usual dangers associated with the internet and forums in particular. I admire her tenacity and sheer determination to get her husband home. Maybe she requires some time out in order to recharge her batteries.
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From reading what has gone on here recently it is obvious to me that some posters like to dish it out but cannot take the backlash.
Lets try to behave like adults folks and move on. 8(0(*
To which posters are you referring, John?
The guests.
Thanks John, I am desperate not to upset or antagonize Stephanie on here and hope that I haven't done so.
I can't begin to imagine how desperate she must feel. Are the alternative suspects aware that they are mentioned in the latest submissions to the CCRC?
Stephanie has to cope with daily pressures which most people will never encounter in their lifetime. This can become intolerable at times and especially so when trolls who aren't in the least interested in Simon's case attack her from the relative safety of other forums.
Stephanie has always had the courage to post under her own name but this carries with it the usual dangers associated with the internet and forums in particular. I admire her tenacity and sheer determination to get her husband home. Maybe she requires some time out in order to recharge her batteries.
Great post.
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I'm begining to regret being involved with Kevin and Kevins case now. Might be time to retreat me thinks.
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From reading what has gone on here recently it is obvious to me that some posters like to dish it out but cannot take the backlash.
Lets try to behave like adults folks and move on. 8(0(*
To which posters are you referring, John?
The guests.
Thanks John, I am desperate not to upset or antagonize Stephanie on here and hope that I haven't done so.
I can't begin to imagine how desperate she must feel. Are the alternative suspects aware that they are mentioned in the latest submissions to the CCRC?
I would think the alternative suspects are well aware that they are in the frame. In fact, they are more than suspects, I would call them the perpetrators.
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From reading what has gone on here recently it is obvious to me that some posters like to dish it out but cannot take the backlash.
Lets try to behave like adults folks and move on. 8(0(*
To which posters are you referring, John?
The guests.
Thanks John, I am desperate not to upset or antagonize Stephanie on here and hope that I haven't done so.
I can't begin to imagine how desperate she must feel. Are the alternative suspects aware that they are mentioned in the latest submissions to the CCRC?
I would think the alternative suspects are well aware that they are in the frame. In fact, they are more than suspects, I would call them the perpetrators.
I wonder if they will attempt to disrupt the appeal?
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I'm begining to regret being involved with Kevin and Kevins case now. Might be time to retreat me thinks.
You have been most forthcoming Joanne and it is a credit to you. It is just a pity others don't have the backbone which you have exhibited but have instead chosen to cower in the shadows and use third parties to speak for them.
Their time will come though.
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Thanks for sorting my posts out John. I haven't got the first idea what I'm doing! 8-)(--)
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I'm begining to regret being involved with Kevin and Kevins case now. Might be time to retreat me thinks.
You have been most forthcoming Joanne and it is a credit to you. It is just a pity others don't have the backbone which you have exhibited but have instead chosen to cower in the shadows and use third parties to speak for them.
Their time will come though.
Unfortunately, I'm more worried about my time and I'd prefer it not to come because it's not looking good from where I'm standing! The others involved with KC will have to sort themselves out, there's only so much you can do to help people but ignorance will not be bliss and they need to acknowledge they might be implicated in things and there may well be a consequence, I'm hoping not or for it to be minimal (ie this is a lesson hard learned and don't do it again) but we'll see. Can I come back on the miscarriages section? @)(++(*
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Thanks for sorting my posts out John. I haven't got the first idea what I'm doing! 8-)(--)
It's just the odd bracket [ ] that makes a difference but easy when you know how.
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Thanks for sorting my posts out John. I haven't got the first idea what I'm doing! 8-)(--)
It's just the odd bracket [ ] that makes a difference but easy when you know how.
I'm using the wife's I pad, nothing is easy on this b........ thing.
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Nice to see you back Stephanie.
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Despite many attempts to blacken my name and drag me into things that are nothing to do with me, I have been assured that any initial connection with JOA has not and will not bring me any trouble. The name listed isnt even my name, and nothing was ever signed. I have never had any dealings with JOA or Darren Bolger, neither would I ever have had.
Hope that ends the speculation but I am sure both guests and members will continue their attack on me, despite not even knowing me or the situations they describe. Just because it is written down by someone does not actually make it the truth
Once again posted in my own name unlike most who decide to attack me 8(0(*
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Despite many attempts to blacken my name and drag me into things that are nothing to do with me, I have been assured that any initial connection with JOA has not and will not bring me any trouble. The name listed isnt even my name, and nothing was ever signed. I have never had any dealings with JOA or Darren Bolger, neither would I ever have had.
Hope that ends the speculation but I am sure both guests and members will continue their attack on me, despite not even knowing me or the situations they describe. Just because it is written down by someone does not actually make it the truth
Once again posted in my own name unlike most who decide to attack me 8(0(*
Thank you for clarifying that Leanne and I can assure any doubters that this post is genuine. All we ever wanted to hear was the facts and the truth about what happened.
At the end of the day it looks like Kevin Craigie has been providing false information to the Charity Commission, it is unfortunate that you and Joanne have been dragged into this.
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I agree John, it is just that. I do not have any proof but all I can confirm is that my details were removed from the Trustee details almost instantly. After that...I dont have any knowledge/dealings.
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I agree John, it is just that. I do not have any proof but all I can confirm is that my details were removed from the Trustee details almost instantly. After that...I dont have any knowledge/dealings.
Thank you for being upfront and honest Leanne. I must admit I was a bit annoyed at what Paul said in his pm the other day on your behalf after I posted his threatening message.
Does he speak for you? 8-)(--)
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The vile reptile and his flakey snakey posse--< will just never tell the truth.There are those that for whatever reason love to play game.Appalling way to be.Of course KC has been assisted with his vile attacks.Somewhere in the myriad of saved data ,I have an historical posting confirming at least one person knew of the fake profiles that KC was using!
KC his reign of tyranny could have ended long ago if those that empowered him had been truthful rather than enjoying the confusion and pain suffered by many.It takes a while to get your head around it;my conclusion was/is that they are in it for personal gratification,the highs the lows ,even if they themselves become part of Cragie's insults.Childlike mentality infused with mental health issues,attention seekers.
Let us be adult and ensure KC is no longer allowed to hurt or give false hope to those suffering a MOJ.
RIP Mr Rothwell
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Leanne and Craigie and that Cleeland and Trolley must really be M15 agents with a mandate to destroy MOJO
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Kind hearted Leanne who does tremendous work for charity and Craigie the Great advocate for MOJ; also working in a similar field... 8()(((@#
Give me a break!
Stephanie please do not get dragged into the game.Leave them to their conscience and god.You know,others know,I know, the truth.A clean glove often covers a dirty hand.The majority of people in jail are guilty,the only change they can ever hope to make, starts within.I certainly do not need any penpals.I do however need justice for the MOJ I support and other genuine MOJ's. Again as we know,KC as useful as a chocolate fireguard. Fu€k them.
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Craigie .Cleeland and Leanne must be undercover agents who infiltrate MOJO then
bring them down
@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* A wagon load of monkeys,thought someone said hi5 so they joined in @)(++(*
Sinister side is they do indeed destroy the truth and reality of genuine MOJ cases.
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This is educational i a way
19/6/2012 willardexe
As always, I find your well-crafted points of view educational. There is an undeniable ring of truth resonating from some of your comments. Doubtless we can all learn from your life’s experiences.
Because you speak from an undeniable authority (you have suffered injustice) people will listen.
The proof of that injustice is why people listen, and because you are good at what you do they continue to listen.
You have suffered 40 days and 40 nights in the desert of despair, suffered as much as any man in prison, yet the fire of injustice inside you did not go out just because you were released. For many clearing their name of murder will (in my view) slowly follow the euphoria of release. In 1967 Michael Luvaglio (one arm bandit murder) was convicted of murder (served 12 years, times have changed) he is on the verge of dying after 5 heart attacks, but he is desperate to clear his name of murder before he dies. Clearing ones name is just as vital as the sentence itself. This is the element that presupposes afore mentioned post. A case in point is Bently, among others. That is the insult to injury, and that is worth fighting to your dying day, and I believe they will do exactly that “given the opportunity” Even Lord Phillips and Lord Steyn comment about some murder convictions “THEY ARE NOT IN TRUTH MURDERERS”
Kevin, you are a great ambassador for the cause, don’t walk away, thought the road be tough. You could achieve great things, it’s up to you?
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16/6/2012 Kevin Craigie - kevincraigie@hotmail.co.uk
Years ago, when I was younger I sincerely believed that. However, not any more. The vast majority find it difficult enough concentrating on trying to get by on a daily basis never mind campaigning. It's not a criticism it is just reality. When Judy Ward told me years and years ago she was going off to do her own thing I was shocked. However, when I gave it further thought I understood her rationality. After becoming involved in campaign groups in recent years I have learned the hard way. I have seen the back biting, the deceit, the lies, the manipulation and the power struggles. I will never even associate with them again. Once I have successfully taken my own case to it's conclusion and the two other cases, I am doing exactly what all the rest have done. I am steering clear of this entire field. It drains you, your stressed, your verbally attacked with lies, your the subject of a hate campaign. Most of those within it are in it due to their own vested interests. I have warned people, it is now their choice.
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Kevin, you are a great ambassador for the cause, don’t walk away, thought the road be tough. You could achieve great things, it’s up to you?
The innate nature of that vile reptile will unfortunately not allow him to do better.My opinion alone, KC will not and can not change his psychopathic like behaviour.He will forever walk within constraints of his self gratification mentality hurting anyone or anything that stands in his way.It is only about adoration and his self image not the core subject he spouts so eloquently about.
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I do agree Stephanie, they do need to be accountable for their vile actions.
As I write this, Leanne continues with her 'charity' work for BTG - quite clearly unaffected!!
Charity begins at home Leanne!
Shame on you for doing nothing to stop this man!
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Shame on you for showing no remorse!
Shame on you for turning a blind eye!
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I think the only possible way (in my mind) of stopping it is to expose KC and his merry crew (if he still has one) and to warn other people NOT to get involved with him, he is good and the talking game and he will sucker you in, use your name (litterally) for his own ends and to cause a lorry load of trouble and then spit you out when you have suppased requirements, he did this to JENGbA to get his name out there, he put my name to things that I didn't give permission to and in all probability he is still carrying on. I would say to anyone who has had or is having dealings with him to post here on this forum, people will try and hekp you, they are trying to get to the bottom of this and they are trying to expose him.
This is a bloke who lured and killed an innocent man and has and will never show remorse and will never put his hand up and accept responsibility but continues to plead an MOJ. I hope to God that the family and friends of Mr Rothwell haven't read this forum because you have suffered enough and to know KC is still carrying on as before must be the pits.
RIP Mr Rothwell.
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I have read all the case about K.C and my verdict is that he isguiltyof one thing only. Naivety.
I also think that Stephanie/Joanne/ realtruth and peteats 8(>((are clasic "shit stirrers" scuse the French but thats my opinion.
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Narccistic personality going on there Stephanie Hall
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I have read all the case about K.C and my verdict is that he isguiltyof one thing only. Naivety.
I also think that Stephanie/Joanne/ realtruth and peteats 8(>((are clasic "shit stirrers" scuse the French but thats my opinion.
Then you are either Kevin Craigie, one of his sunshiners, misguided or naive.
If the very man himself is honerable, then why doesn't he come on and fight his corner? I notice that you are posting as a guest, usual case of 'I haven't got the guts to open an account and post under my name' which to me makes you less than desirable. Which of my posts do you suggest is guilty of 'shit stirring' and why?
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Which other forum is it please?
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I hope this reads as I mean it to be read and not as personal contempt or a micky take towards anyone because it's not how I want it come over.
I have in effect been 'screwed' by Kevin, he is a smooth talker and very believable, however he's also done the same to other people and they have also probably felt they've been happy slapped, tangoed and left thinking 'wtf?' like I did. It's bad, bad, bad but it is 'some comfort' if thats the right comment that I'm not alone but I wish I was. At least, other people can see why this happened to me, even if I was stupid. He's a conman and if you think it won't happen to you, the only way it won't if not to deal with him, don't give him the time he wants.
I want also to thank all the decent people on here who are giving their time up to help me and also to try and stop other people receiving the same treatment.
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Thank you Stephanie.
NO-ONE has done any **** stirring, I mean no-one who posts under their real names anyway.
All people have done is expose the truth but of course KC and his merry band don't like the truth much, well nor do I in this case but it has to be faced up to. KC has had a long standing issue with the truth and even 20 odd years on, he still doesn't get it and continues to claim a miscarriage.
Kevin either come back, post under your own name and try and sort things out or piss off. I'd rather you came on and tried to sort things but there's more chance of getting **** from a rocking horse.
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Kevin either come back, post under your own name and try and sort things out or piss off. I'd rather you came on and tried to sort things but there's more chance of getting **** from a rocking horse.
How can he come back and sort things out? HE left a man to die , He stole from this man, He then made out he was Innocent ...HE IS A LIAR ..END OF ,
If you are wanting him to come back and explain his actions towards others after his release, PLEASE,PLEASE,DONT HOLD YA BREATH, as he will NEVER answer
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Is the blue forum run by the same people as this one?
I've got confused somewhere and though the blue forum eas facebook 8()-000(
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I won't. Hense my reference to the rocking horse.
Mr Rothwell 8)><( I wish I could get you justice.
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Is the blue forum run by the same people as this one?
I've got confused somewhere and though the blue forum eas facebook 8()-000(
no and it seems that his game is up there too...now i wonder if Karen Torley will have his "back" and fight his corner ? 8)--))
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roch posted this up....COME OUT CRAIGIE YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT AGAIN !!! 8@??)(
Re: introduction
« Reply #6 on: Today at 02:54 PM »
Quote from: D-FENS on Today at 02:44 PM
cheers im here to comment on the jodi jones murder in dalkeith
What do you make of the Willie Gage case?
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roch posted this up....COME OUT CRAIGIE YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT AGAIN !!! 8@??)(
Re: introduction
« Reply #6 on: Today at 02:54 PM »
Quote from: D-FENS on Today at 02:44 PM
cheers im here to comment on the jodi jones murder in dalkeith
What do you make of the Willie Gage case?
Well done that man!!!! @)(++(*
Have you just seen what happened on the blue forum? That clown Craigie managed to get the 'barrister' Neil to accuse me of posting vile comments about Corinne Mitchell. Everyone who knows me knows that I have never and would never post such disgusting comments about anyone.
Only one person is capable of that and that is Kevin Craigie and his 'hidemyass' software.
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Weekend off Neil? Hope your civil case is going well? @)(++(*
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KC MIGHt be obsessed with Luke's case because a while ago I spoke with Peter Hill (Rough Justice), he is working with JUSTICE to help with Lukes case. He asked me if I was interested in being involved, I said no because I don't know ANYTHING about the Scottish system, i don't live near enough and I couldn't afford to travel. Peter then said they'd be more inclined to go with someone from Scotland, so I gave him KC's details. I have no idea if he ever contacted KC and he never mentioned it to me at any time, so it's a very slim chance like.
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I mailed people yesterday but none of the one's you listed Stephanie 8(0(*
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Maybe the blue forum can provide the IP address to the police!
If you would like an email address of the Sgt concerned I will happily provide you with this information.
Please do not defame John Lamberton's name any longer - this has gone on for several years!
I wouldn't put it past Neil Bellis setting the whole thing up himself Stephanie since Jackie is about to spill the beans on their whole operation.
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I've got confused somewhere and though the blue forum eas facebook 8()-000(
no and it seems that his game is up there too...now i wonder if Karen Torley will have his "back" and fight his corner ? 8)--))
AND THERE SHE BLOWS , WANTING POSTS REMOVED !!!!!!!!! too late luv , there is always someone quicker on the keyboard than you .....screenshots are so good @)(++(*
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It is the only time I am likely to do this, so make the most of it. I owe john Lamberton an apology. D-FENS is not John Lamberton, he is in fact Tim Bennett. For those with long memories the IP used was the same as Captain Chevasse and Ama Dablam. I misremembered the identity of Captain Chevasse. In fairness to Lamberton he does not use crude language or make sexually suggestive posts and that should have alerted me to my mistake. Bennett of course does. Apologies.
wrong again ngb1066.... @)(++(*
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.975.html
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It is the only time I am likely to do this, so make the most of it. I owe john Lamberton an apology. D-FENS is not John Lamberton, he is in fact Tim Bennett. For those with long memories the IP used was the same as Captain Chevasse and Ama Dablam. I misremembered the identity of Captain Chevasse. In fairness to Lamberton he does not use crude language or make sexually suggestive posts and that should have alerted me to my mistake. Bennett of course does. Apologies.
Well would you credit it!!! Neil has done the right thing.
Thanks Neil. 8((()*/
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Over to you Neil?
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In fact, as a sign of good faith, if Neil wants to send me or even post the IP which D-FENS was using i will be able to confirm who it actually is.
Over to you Neil?
Nice one John x 8@??)(
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In fact, as a sign of good faith, if Neil wants to send me or even post the IP which D-FENS was using i will be able to confirm who it actually is.
Over to you Neil?
Can't say fairer than that!
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A lot of them look 'savage' on that forum, I don't think I'll join!
joanne - it has become apparent that many of the fake profiles on the blue forum are indeed KEVIN CRAIGIE!
It's up to the blue forum to get their house in order!
Time for peace and time to move forward!
Well said.
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this is how it goes,
He uses people who are fighting true MOJ cases, He befriends them, He goes through their friends to add people, some of these people are respected for their tireless work that they do .When all along he leaves a path of distruction...
AND NOW HE HAS BEEN EXPOSED ...HE ATTACKS AGAIN ,
HIS NEW GAME HAS STARTED...HIS NEW TARGETS ...BILLY MIDDLETON, SANDRA LEAN AND LUKE MITCHELL ....
good luck craigie , your cards have been exposed and marked
heads up you lot
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kevin and cats again ......
http://anonymouse.org/anonwww.html
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whats Kevin's game ???
this is how it goes,
He uses people who are fighting true MOJ cases, He befriends them, He goes through their friends to add people, some of these people are respected for their tireless work that they do .When all along he leaves a path of distruction...
AND NOW HE HAS BEEN EXPOSED ...HE ATTACKS AGAIN ,
HIS NEW GAME HAS STARTED...HIS NEW TARGETS ...BILLY MIDDLETON, SANDRA LEAN AND LUKE MITCHELL ....
good luck craigie , your cards have been exposed and marked
Absolutely.
I can honestly say I've never come across anybody else like him. What is they say 'If you're going to tell a lie tell a whopper'? Does that apply to all of his other 'bad' behaviour too?
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Steph, you seem, generally, to be very suspicious and quite understandably so. To be honest, I don't really know at what point, suspicion turns into paranoia. If you are paranoid, then again, that's quite understandable.
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http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/193.200.150.82
KAREN AND KEVIN TROLLING AGAIN LMAO ?>)()<
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Where does that ip address go to? I can't get a location for it.
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Where does that ip address go to? I can't get a location for it.
JOHN.... We're waiting..... 8(0(*
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Its a Proxy that cant be traced through the site, but it will leave a tag on the computer which can be recovered...even if you try to hide it ...BUSTED CRAIGIE/TORLEY
http://anonymouse.org/anonwww.html
seems you type in the website you want to visit via this site and you think you are anonymous....well you hope don't ya Craigie ?
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like "hidemyass.com" a personal favorite of Karen Torley who has been using It for years so people don't know shes trolling ...she also recommended it to Kevin Craigie for the Perpose of causing trouble on the forums ...Didn't you Karen?
and even recommended "hit and run " as a good game too 8)-)))
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Where does that ip address go to? I can't get a location for it.
JOHN.... We're waiting..... 8(0(*
Had to check this out so it took a while. For what it's worth, there is no connection to Tim that I am aware of and it certainly wouldn't be his style to do this. In any event he has not posted for weeks.
I can however confirm that the IP provided by Neil is one used by 'hidemyass' to provide secure and anonymous internet services. I can also confirm that Kevin Craigie used 'hidemyass' to make a post on here earlier and used a similar but not identical IP.
You should be aware that anyone using 'hidemyass' can alter IP's at will.
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I don't think 'hidemyass' or any other similar works on virgin media. I say it because a friend of mine put me onto a website and I screwed up (it was a torrent download site and I didn't really know how to use it), he offered to invite me again but I'd have to change my ip addy but virgin media won't allow it apparently, I'm a bit of a technophobe when it comes down to the nitty gritty but I'm fairly sure, even if KC or others try to alter their IP, it can be traced back-somehow or is that wrong?
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I don't think 'hidemyass' or any other similar works on virgin media. I say it because a friend of mine put me onto a website and I screwed up (it was a torrent download site and I didn't really know how to use it), he offered to invite me again but I'd have to change my ip addy but virgin media won't allow it apparently, I'm a bit of a technophobe when it comes down to the nitty gritty but I'm fairly sure, even if KC or others try to alter their IP, it can be traced back-somehow or is that wrong?
You have to have the software to make posts Joanne. The IP which Neil provided was traced to the Seychelles and from one of the servers which 'hidemyass' uses.
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So they're not traceable then to an address in England (or anywhere else then)?
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I have read all the case about K.C and my verdict is that he isguiltyof one thing only. Naivety.
I also think that Stephanie/Joanne/ realtruth and peteats 8(>((are clasic "shit stirrers" scuse the French but thats my opinion.
Well you would say that wouldn't you KEVIN? @)(++(*
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So they're not traceable then to an address in England (or anywhere else then)?
Yes that's right Joanne. They have servers all over the world including the UK. Have a look at the link.
http://www.hidemyass.com/vpn/servers/
Apparently you can browse the internet for free but you have to pay a fee for the software licence if you want to do much more.
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John Lamberton is a TRUTH seeker no more no less.
He is not the person he has been made to appear to look across the forums!!
I am proud to call him my friend and I thank him for all his help.
Make of me what you will - I'm past caring... The damage has been done and I've moved on.
HOWEVER; I will not ever stop fighting to clear my gorgeous hubby's name and no one will stand in my way!!!
So there... 8((()*/ 8)--))
We have truth on our side and I am motivated by the truth for the truth!
Well thanks Steph! We must be doing something right if even Jackie wants to be friends with us now. 8((()*/
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Anyone know what's happened to Craigie's website?
He has suspended it AGAIN!
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YOU NEED TO CHECK OUT ONCESAID AND FREEWULLIEGAGE - THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE!!!
THEY ARE VERY CLEAVER AND DEVIOUS!!
You are spot on there Stephanie. OnceSaid is a Glasgow troll and the blue forum will be able to verify this. They posted a link to comments by Sally on GI and we all know who that convicted car thief/mail van robber is.
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Anyone know what's happened to Craigie's website?
He has suspended it AGAIN!
website still there, no activity for 7 days...
Facebook accounts gone..
.posts by KEVIN CRAIGIE on Glasgow innocent ...EDITTED, http://glasgowinnocence.myfreeforum.org/ftopic282-0-asc-10.php
now who's been a busy boy trying to hide everything 8()-000(
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Perhaps KC has now realised the years of abuse and suffering he has caused after emails and attacks on facebook and other forums will not go unnoticed ,Even the fake profiles he has set up and posted in to continue with his vicious attacks...bout time someone listened to real victims not a man who is playing the system.
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I doubt this is the last we'll see of him, he's bound to reinvent himself and start again. 8(8-))
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He has suspended it AGAIN!
website still there, no activity for 7 days...
Facebook accounts gone..
.posts by KEVIN CRAIGIE on Glasgow innocent ...EDITTED, http://glasgowinnocence.myfreeforum.org/ftopic282-0-asc-10.php
now who's been a busy boy trying to hide everything 8()-000(
Why do I sense more than one person involved in all this? 8-)(--)
I do Hope Karen Has "covered her ass", cos this has just come on top..and KEVIN CRAIGIE YET AGAIN WILL PASS THE BLAME 8(0(*...SHAME REALLY !!
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He has suspended it AGAIN!
I think her ass is safe @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
website still there, no activity for 7 days...
Facebook accounts gone..
.posts by KEVIN CRAIGIE on Glasgow innocent ...EDITTED, http://glasgowinnocence.myfreeforum.org/ftopic282-0-asc-10.php
now who's been a busy boy trying to hide everything 8()-000(
Why do I sense more than one person involved in all this? 8-)(--)
I do Hope Karen Has "covered her ass", cos this has just come on top..and KEVIN CRAIGIE YET AGAIN WILL PASS THE BLAME 8(0(*...SHAME REALLY !!
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He has suspended it AGAIN!
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website still there, no activity for 7 days...
Facebook accounts gone..
.posts by KEVIN CRAIGIE on Glasgow innocent ...EDITTED, http://glasgowinnocence.myfreeforum.org/ftopic282-0-asc-10.php
now who's been a busy boy trying to hide everything 8()-000(
Why do I sense more than one person involved in all this? 8-)(--)
I do Hope Karen Has "covered her ass", cos this has just come on top..and KEVIN CRAIGIE YET AGAIN WILL PASS THE BLAME 8(0(*...SHAME REALLY !!
I think her ass is safe @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I doubt this is the last we'll see of him, he's bound to reinvent himself and start again. 8(8-))
He has been inventing himself for years , plotting while in prison , who he was going to be when he got out!!!
he wants to be know as the BIGGEST MOJ EVER ..... @)(++(*
and will try to destroy those that get in his way ,
playing the victim is his forte,
seeking the truth is ours 8)--))
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.975.html
Poor Grahame , Please keep up...YOUR TROLL IS KEVIN CRAIGIE AND HIS PARTNER IN CRIME KAREN TORLEY !!! We Outted them weeks ago lmao
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dont be sad peteats ...look 8(0(* your not missing much
Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
« Reply #985 on: Today at 08:24 PM »
Quote from: D-FENS on Today at 02:21 PM
but youv nae bother readin nug nugs i bet eh cause it caters to your ideals
Someone please ban this tw... He's just a troll. I can smell 'em a mile off. Well I can smell this one at least. He comes straight from the lambo camp. Get rid of the b........ please. He's only here to cause trouble. He belongs with the numpties and the retards on lam chops forum.
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Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
« Reply #986 on: Today at 08:27 PM »
Quote from: ngb1066 on Today at 06:41 PM
D-FENS IP: 193.200.150.82
Since I have done the right thing I hope John Lamberton reciprocates, and openly confirms my identification of D-FENS as Tim Bennett.
Don't hold your breath.
posted by grahame the snail...yep hes a bit slow off the mark @)(++(*
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Poor Grahame , Please keep up...YOUR TROLL IS KEVIN CRAIGIE AND HIS PARTNER IN CRIME KAREN TORLEY !!! We Outted them weeks ago lmao
I'm wondering it there is something more going on over on the blue forum that they don't want us all to know about?
I'm sensing they are concerned about something 8-)(--)
Are they worried about getting a 'tug' as well..... 8-)(--) @)(++(* @)(++(*
depends on what he is going to be tugging @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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All together now Kevin Craigie @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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What has Red Hair, pert Buttocks and originates from Scotland.
All together now Kevin Craigie @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
I know i am safe and he wont attack me as i am a man, not a vulnerable female @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Who runs a forum like this???? 8-)(--)
http://mycrimesforum.myfastforum.org/forum2.php (http://mycrimesforum.myfastforum.org/forum2.php)
One guess.... 8(0(* 8(0(*
I take it others didn't know about this either... whatever.... !!!!
I see KC is there too attacking Middleton ...see he cant leave the attacking alone ...Wichfinder/Craigie you are such a hoot , what with everyone being Guilty ..in your opinion...you still claim to be innocent!!! @)(++(*
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KEVIN CRAIGIE!!!!!
ONLY ME - PLEASE CONFIRM TO ADMIN YOU ARE GENUINE
SIKA - AS ABOVE
I think Mat IS Mat, Steph.
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As expected Phillipa (Pippa) Hart and her mother were surprised to know that KC had posted details of her case on a public forum.KC has not been given permission to do so.It might not surprise you to know that,here is another vulnerable family that has financially contributed to Craigie after hearing his hardluck stories.
Pippa's case is not for me to discuss other than to say it is a very sad MOJ case.
Craigie,did you not think or even care that Pippa having received a life sentence and her mother left to bring up her child they had their own hardluck story? YOU VILE REPTILE
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Oh good grief. I am so very sorry for Phillipa and Gillian. I wrote to Phillipa a couple of times (I lost her address when my computer crashed so I had to stop), I mentioned KC in a letter to her, she replied that she hadn't heard of him.
I had suspicions that KC had taken money from another cases (Well the mum), I hope this doesn't get confirmed.
Are Gillina and Phillipa ok?
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Pippa's case is not for me to discuss other than to say it is a very sad MOJ case.
Craigie,did you not think or even care that Pippa having received a life sentence and her mother left to bring up her child they had their own hardluck story? YOU VILE REPTILE
good bit of work there realtruth 8((()*/ I hope the vile reptile takes her off his website, if not then I'm sure reporting it would have an effect . 8(0(*
how would you like to be my sidekick ? AgentB? 8**8:/: 8((()*/
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Admin...let me know how I prove to you I'm genuine. Nothing to hide here - I'm basically nobody, but if it puts some minds at rest I don't mind.
No need - thank you for your reponse.. sorry to bother you.
This isn't anything to do with paranoia - this is a very serious matter that the police WILL be dealing with no doubt in due course...!
No problem Stephanie. I'm still happy to talk to admin if it makes you comfortable though.
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I dont know if this is a good time to mention it. Joanne,Real Truth. But my money hasnt arrived yet. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Won't because you're not getting any too many more deserving cases to give to.There is Donald desperately in need of trousers for starters not forgetting little miss muffet where is he 8)-))) @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* 8((()*/
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As expected Phillipa (Pippa) Hart and her mother were surprised to know that KC had posted details of her case on a public forum.KC has not been given permission to do so.It might not surprise you to know that,here is another vulnerable family that has financially contributed to Craigie after hearing his hardluck stories.
Pippa's case is not for me to discuss other than to say it is a very sad MOJ case.
Craigie,did you not think or even care that Pippa having received a life sentence and her mother left to bring up her child they had their own hardluck story? YOU VILE REPTILE
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good bit of work there realtruth 8((()*/ I hope the vile reptile takes her off his website, if not then I'm sure reporting it would have an effect . 8(0(*
how would you like to be my sidekick ? AgentB? 8**8:/: 8((()*/
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I'm callng it a night for now, I'll catch up tomorrow 8((()*/
Night night Joanne , sweet dreams , see ya tomorrow
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Well Mr Craigie one thing to say to you, if i find you have been impersonating me or my partner, a recall will be the least of your worries. ?8)@)-) ?8)@)-) ?8)@)-) ?8)@)-) ?8)@)-) ?8)@)-) ?8)@)-)
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Ile help 8()(((@# 8()(((@# 8()(((@# 8()(((@# 8()(((@# 8()(((@#
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Oh good grief. I am so very sorry for Phillipa and Gillian. I wrote to Phillipa a couple of times (I lost her address when my computer crashed so I had to stop), I mentioned KC in a letter to her, she replied that she hadn't heard of him.
I had suspicions that KC had taken money from another cases (Well the mum), I hope this doesn't get confirmed.
Are Gillina and Phillipa ok?
Joanne >>Craigie had NO RIGHT to discuss this case or disclose family members names with anyone,even yourself.
HMP ladies are clued up to the evil ways of that vile reptile.Sadly ,in the past their families have financially assisted
Craigie after hearing his hardluck stories.HMP Holloway was informed about him sometime last year. 8()(((@#
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nugnug here is Kevin Craigie again, taken on the guise of Middleton ...see the starking has been going on for years
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KEVIN CRAIGIE HAS ALSO BEEN PEOPLE CALLED GORDO, BIGMOMMA, MISSTERY, HE'S EVEN TRIED TO PRETEND TO BE CORRINE MITCHELL UNDER VARIOUS GUISES!
HE'S BEEN MIRRORING THE BEHAVIOUR OF MANY OF US - INCLUDING SANDRA LEAN, BILLY MIDDLETON, JOHN LAMBERTON, MYSELF, HE'S EVEN BEEN SMIFFY - THE LIST GOES ON AN ON.....
Is there such thing as a Serial TROLL ?
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What say you Kevin, i know your shy but you can tell me.
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We have been following this with interest over the last few days and letting everyone make their contributions in their own way. We have provided technical assistance where required and assisted with IP's from our extensive database.
It has become very clear that this serial troll has a lot to answer for and going back several years. To all the members of the forum who have assisted and contributed to this investigation we thank you dearly. Only by sticking together can we ever hope to defeat such sinister evil.
To quote from another post made today, "He has picked the wrong people to mess with this time!" ?>)()<
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Kevin Craigie was convicted in 1991 of the Joint Enterprise murder of Kenneth Rothwell in his home in London. His co accused was a mark Fuller. Craigie went on to serve a 13 year sentence but Fuller only served 10 years. Fuller later admitted to clubbing Mr Rothwell over the head with a piece of wood while Craigie for his part says that he tried to intervene and was accidentally hit by Fuller.
Craigie admits that Mr Rothwell was still alive and breathing after the attack but he and Fuller failed to provide any assistance to the victim who later died of his injuries. Craigie and Fuller then set about ransacking the property and stole several items from the house. They also stole Mr Rothwell's car and were later picked up by police driving the wrong way up a one-way street in London.
In recent years Craigie has been involved with the Citizens Advice Bureau rising to the post of Deputy Manager. He has also been involved with the Justice on Appeal Group and claimed to be the Managing Director while Darren Bolger was registered as a Director.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/darren-bolger/31/1b9/564
Darren Thomas Bolger, a 41 year old male from SW19, was found to have taken amounts of money prior to starting building works such as residential extensions and loft conversions under the name of several different companies including Building Matters London Ltd. Once he had obtained money from the home owners he would then leave the works unfinished and only return to collect his tools.
Thanks to the diligent work by officers from Hammersmith and Fulham led by DC Angela Mills and DS Richard Gilbert, Bolger received a three year custodial sentence at Norwich Crown Court due to one of the victims being a QC who occasionally sat in London Court. The trial was scheduled for three weeks but actually ran for four months. Witnesses were flown in from America and three defence witnesses were arrested for failing to answer summonses.
http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/node/4644
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Builder-found-guilty-of-defrauding-local-residents/1400008180757/1257246745756
After Bolger's conviction for fraud in April 2012, Craigie took over running the Justice on Appeal group.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/kevin-craigie/15/a26/480
We have been informed by individuals named as Trustees by Craigie on the Charity Commission return for this group that they were neither aware of this, had never signed any documentation in relation to this nor had they ever had any meetings with their fellow Trustees.
We must therefore assume that this was in fact a fraud and will be passing our files to the relevant authorities.
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Craigie is a man who when he doesn't get his own way turns on people and tries to undermine them, He tried this with me when i began asking him questions, oh yes Kevin i remember, you tried to undermine me asking me about my convictions, remember. You will also remember it didn't work did it, because i do not hide my past like you. Remember i told you then you were a Plastic Gangster, and i am telling you again now. You may also remember our telephone conversation Kevin. The one where you hung up and when i called back never had the backbone to answer the phone. Pity as i did want to pay you a visit when i was visiting my family near the biscuit factory. 8)--)) Oh well never mind as our paths will cross at some point.
Its not nice when s..m like you give professional Criminals a bad name. Sleep well tonight Kevin. 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
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http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/node/4644
We have heard several allegations of impropriety so we would be grateful for those people to get in touch with us so that we can provide a comprehensive file to the Police and the Charity Commission.
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Karen Torley
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Karen Torley
do none of these people talk to you anymore > thought emma was okay
Craigies Angels
9 June
Craigies Angels
Now im a conman and s..mbag
Pat does, spoke last week. Leanne damaged Emma and mine friendship with her gossip
Eileen Gill turned out to be another Stephanie Hall
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Karen Torley
9 June
Karen Torley
sorry having a laugh here with hall am having to post stuff to my mate on facebook so she can post it for me lol
Karen Torley
9 June
Karen Torley
you posting as Bobby
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could not resist it. You handled that brilliantly. Realtruth is definitely Janet Cunliffe
Joanne Howes back. Thought she was leaving the circus and wanted her account deleted.
Wonder what she will say when her precious tenner turns up ? Nothing.
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Craigies Angels
9 June
Craigies Angels
This is going to get even better !!!
Karen Torley
9 June
Karen Torley
told you there are always ways to get these people I have been doing this for years lol
he will think your 3am lady is the poster and be shitting himself lol
oh joanne isnt happy lol she thinks you opened all the guest accounts and she knows it. Lamberton will go nuts at her. they will be at one anothers throats soon
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He just phoned me
asking who it might be
Brilliant
Karen Torley
9 June
Karen Torley
who lamberton lol
Craigies Angels
9 June
Craigies Angels
Yes. 35 min call
Karen Torley
9 June
Karen Torley
he is wondering. what did you tell him. Wullie says be careful he might be trying to get your confidnece in him back. Thats what he does
Craigies Angels
9 June
Craigies Angels
Thats what he was trying to do. Exactly accurate. Did I know who the poster was. he said they based in Aldershot
Karen Torley
9 June
Karen Torley
lmao almost correct
Craigies Angels
9 June
Craigies Angels
See how crafty he is
says Halls get a warning then banned. Been there before
Karen Torley
9 June
Karen Torley
yes I know how crafty he is. he is stupid too tho I have had countless conversations with the idiot under other names and set him up to ask stupid shit on forums and he falls for it every time.
wish I had an english accent
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Karen Torley
9 June
Karen Torley
well get concentrating on your synophis of your case for me please. We cant fight with them all day and night. lol I know its a good stress reliever to argue with them. what i love most is doing what Wullie and I call a hit and run post. Write something you know will really rile them and just leave them to rant for a day or so. Its hilarous. I will do one soon xx
Craigies Angels
9 June
Craigies Angels
Good idea. he mentioned Wullie . I said I didnt know him.. G.I post I did.
Karen Torley
9 June
Karen Torley
he hates Wullie lol
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realtruth is Eileen Gill or Cunliffe.
Off to get some tea. Chat later, and cheers karen.
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I think all the information I know about Justice on appeal I have given in posts previous but if Admin or John need anything else or a statement to give to the powers that be, obviously I'll give you whatever you need.
I also (on friday) mailed his more recent employers, I didn't want to make it public knowledge, only because it will give him time to concoct a story to tell them next week.
Tomorrow I intend to amke sure ever CAD in London gets an e-mail, so I know I have the right office and I am going to mail CAB Derby too as he took them to tribunal, this and his criminal records, he should not be working with people-any people, vulnerable or not. I think people with HIV/AIDS related illness have really gone through enough without having him to deal with, so Kevin if you're reading this and you though I was a **** stirrer, I will be sunshine, I will be.
I tried to send John private messages between KC and myself to see if they yealded anything of use but I don't know if John got them. I didn't really want to send them because I am very aware I said things about people (none of them on here) that I regret.
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I think you might have tried to contact me Steph, I was in the shower, sorry.
I want to fetch the cat litter liners (Newspapers) before everyone else gets up! @)(++(*
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I'm ok thanks. He made me think I was losing the plot and now I know I'm not and he's ripped peoples families off who are in prison, I'm on a mission to cause him maximum damage, he'll rue the day he ever came across me. I did warn him, if I'm your friend, I'm your friend and I'll do anything for you, make me an enemy and you'll know about it. Usually if someone hacks me off, I'll walk away but when you rob, lie and all he's done, then no I ain't walking away.
I really do hope that everyone else will see this through to the end, me thinks with all the man hours each individual has put it, we all want the same result here. I don't have enough info or knowledge with the powers that be to do this on my own, so please do carry on. Every day I am grateful to every one of you for what you're doing and your support, I want you all to know it. 8((()*/
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And here we have the FACT & MYTH forum... any guesses peeps???
http://glasgowinnocence.myfreeforum.org/ftopic95-0.php (http://glasgowinnocence.myfreeforum.org/ftopic95-0.php)
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Admin...let me know how I prove to you I'm genuine. Nothing to hide here - I'm basically nobody, but if it puts some minds at rest I don't mind.
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Steph,
I have logged on this morning and read through this thread, I am now more confused than ever! It seems quite obvious that Craigie is an unpleasant and deceptive man, but how, specifically has he interfered with your case?
initially, was he involved in helping Simon's fight? What is his motivation for attacking you? Sorry that I am ignorant about all this, but as much as I've tried to catch up by reading previous posts and threads, I can still not make head nor tail of it.
My gut feeling is that you have been greatly wronged, I conclude this having read your very passionate posts.
This is only my 2nd foray into internet forums, the 1st being the Bamber one. It upset me that people on there didn't believe that I was who I said I was, and thought that I was a fraud. I believed that I had always been polite and did nothing to deserve this treatment.
Considering this, I really don't know how you have the strength to carry on with these forums. There are too many mischief makers on line, who revel in upsetting you. You are wide open to attack and I find it painful to witness your obvious distress.
I would never have the damn cheek to advise you what to do, but I know that if I had to take all the shit that you do, I'd have to stop reading them.
I am following Simon's case with great interest and wish you both good luck.
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Morning All ?{)(**...its a miserable day here 8(8-))...but its looking good at last,
After years of threats/abuse/lies/attacks, Kevin Craigie will be held accountable for his disgusting behaviour towards a FEW of his Victims , All the Forum has done is scratched the surface , although its a deep scratch, there are in doubt many more that have not come forward for fear of what Kevin will do next ..Don't be afraid of him any longer, Speak now , you are safe ...This man has conned many people out of their money, and self worth, but this is where it stops ...When he came onto this forum to "highlight" his MOJ , my stomach churned, i among others mailed Admin with warnings about him, begging not to be taken in by him...Well... well done everyone because by standing your ground and pulling together, Kevin Craigie has been shown in his true colours. His reign of terror has over the years crippled so many fighting true MOJ ..My heart goes out to each and every one of you ..What Kevin Had not banked on was being asked again and again the same questions , the ones he could not and would not answer , well he done his usual trick, turned, ran , then came back morphed into many uses to attack, But he failed to infiltrate the stronger members on this forum....Again Well done everyone, Thank You all for finding the strength to stand up and be proud of who you are and show that he can not hurt you anymore, or disrupt your lives further .Knowing you are not just a victim but one in a very long list, and standing back and realising he picks his victims for their good nature, caring hearts and vulnerability, Don't ever change who you are , you are all the best x
Sadly this man has moved to pastures greener ( well Blue pastures ) @)(++(* and without a doubt will carry on him attacks there in his many many guises ...As was seen yesterday over there when he was posting as D-FENS ...Good luck blue forum, you will need it , unless you take note of this...Everytime this man posts using his many fake names that you "out him", leave this vile excuse of a man nowhere to hide , nowhere to run...he does of course use proxy sites to hide his TRUE INDENTITY, but then he was taught well by his new internet troll friend Karen Torley..
On that note i must just say this ...RIP Mr Rothwell , and if you are looking down , then know that we are all thinking about you....and To all True Moj Cases, My thoughts go with you and your families and hope that soon you can be in the arms of your loved ones
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I think all the information I know about Justice on appeal I have given in posts previous but if Admin or John need anything else or a statement to give to the powers that be, obviously I'll give you whatever you need.
I also (on friday) mailed his more recent employers, I didn't want to make it public knowledge, only because it will give him time to concoct a story to tell them next week.
Tomorrow I intend to make sure ever CAD in London gets an e-mail, so I know I have the right office and I am going to mail CAB Derby too as he took them to tribunal, this and his criminal records, he should not be working with people-any people, vulnerable or not. I think people with HIV/AIDS related illness have really gone through enough without having him to deal with, so Kevin if you're reading this and you though I was a **** stirrer, I will be sunshine, I will be.
I tried to send John private messages between KC and myself to see if they yielded anything of use but I don't know if John got them. I didn't really want to send them because I am very aware I said things about people (none of them on here) that I regret.
Hi Joanne. Its no secret where he works. He is in the Troutbeck CAB office which is run by Camden Citizens Advice Bureaux Service. The main office is at Holborn CAB, 32 Theobalds Road, London.
I agree with you that this man should not be dealing with the public and should certainly not be associating with vulnerable people. I will be making my own representations in due course to the appropriate authorities.
I don't seem to have received any pm's as such, maybe you can message me of the details.
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Steph,
I have logged on this morning and read through this thread, I am now more confused than ever! It seems quite obvious that Craigie is an unpleasant and deceptive man, but how, specifically has he interfered with your case?
initially, was he involved in helping Simon's fight? What is his motivation for attacking you? Sorry that I am ignorant about all this, but as much as I've tried to catch up by reading previous posts and threads, I can still not make head nor tail of it.
My gut feeling is that you have been greatly wronged, I conclude this having read your very passionate posts.
This is only my 2nd foray into internet forums, the 1st being the Bamber one. It upset me that people on there didn't believe that I was who I said I was, and thought that I was a fraud. I believed that I had always been polite and did nothing to deserve this treatment.
Considering this, I really don't know how you have the strength to carry on with these forums. There are too many mischief makers on line, who revel in upsetting you. You are wide open to attack and I find it painful to witness your obvious distress.
I would never have the damn cheek to advise you what to do, but I know that if I had to take all the shit that you do, I'd have to stop reading them.
I am following Simon's case with great interest and wish you both good luck.
There is in fact only one mischief maker Sika and that has been proven to be Kevin Craigie. There are others on the periphery but Craigie is the instigator.
Don't worry about Stephanie, she knows who her friends are, she also now knows who is real and who is not.
It has taken a while to run this sleaze ball down but run him down we all have. Good work everyone! 8@??)(
If anyone needs his address please let me know.
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Morning All ?{)(**...its a miserable day here 8(8-))...but its looking good at last,
After years of threats/abuse/lies/attacks, Kevin Craigie will be held accountable for his disgusting behaviour towards a FEW of his Victims , All the Forum has done is scratched the surface , although its a deep scratch, there are in doubt many more that have not come forward for fear of what Kevin will do next ..Don't be afraid of him any longer, Speak now , you are safe ...This man has conned many people out of their money, and self worth, but this is where it stops ...When he came onto this forum to "highlight" his MOJ , my stomach churned, i among others mailed Admin with warnings about him, begging not to be taken in by him...Well... well done everyone because by standing your ground and pulling together, Kevin Craigie has been shown in his true colours. His reign of terror has over the years crippled so many fighting true MOJ ..My heart goes out to each and every one of you ..What Kevin Had not banked on was being asked again and again the same questions , the ones he could not and would not answer , well he done his usual trick, turned, ran , then came back morphed into many uses to attack, But he failed to infiltrate the stronger members on this forum....Again Well done everyone, Thank You all for finding the strength to stand up and be proud of who you are and show that he can not hurt you anymore, or disrupt your lives further .Knowing you are not just a victim but one in a very long list, and standing back and realising he picks his victims for their good nature, caring hearts and vulnerability, Don't ever change who you are , you are all the best x
Sadly this man has moved to pastures greener ( well Blue pastures ) @)(++(* and without a doubt will carry on him attacks there in his many many guises ...As was seen yesterday over there when he was posting as D-FENS ...Good luck blue forum, you will need it , unless you take note of this...Everytime this man posts using his many fake names that you "out him", leave this vile excuse of a man nowhere to hide , nowhere to run...he does of course use proxy sites to hide his TRUE INDENTITY, but then he was taught well by his new internet troll friend Karen Torley..
On that note i must just say this ...RIP Mr Rothwell , and if you are looking down , then know that we are all thinking about you....and To all True Moj Cases, My thoughts go with you and your families and hope that soon you can be in the arms of your loved ones
I must say, I find all these revelations most alarming. For a convicted murderer to infiltrate organisations such a the Citizens Advice Bureau to such a level is most worrying. Do the directors of these organisations really know who they are dealing with?
That said, I commend you all for a job well done in exposing this criminal. I will be taking this matter further next week when I have a meeting with the Commissioners, I will be asking some very difficult questions rest assured.
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I tried to e-mail you John, if it didn't work, maybe it's for the best! @)(++(*
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Ok so this vile little creature has been well and truly exposed, but what about his so called history. I wouldn't mind betting that this is also make believe. Also his association with Jengba is now going to be an issue.
Should a convicted Killer on Licence be allowed to pore over the case sensitive papers of those fighting a MOJ. Especially if some of those are vulnerable females. What of the papers he refused to return. So many unanswered questions. 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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HERE ARE SOME OF THE CHILLING WORDS USED BY KEVIN CRAIGIE
Well how things have changed in the world of justice! (He's been locked up for so long)
Luke Mitchell's appeal refused by supreme court(looks like end of road for him legally as far as i can see it);
Adrian Prout guilty-( and W.A.P exposed further as the sham they are!) (there's the rub!)Billy the beast Middleton looking down the barrel of his next court appearance! (he's describing himself)
Looks like a bit of theme emerging here in terms of where truth and justice lies-it ain't over on that disgrace of a forum!! (here he is showing his true feelings - he's bitter - he wants revenge - he will stop at nothing)
Some things remain constant however- talking to himself online all day trying to convince himself that he's not the lying beast he is.....his beast of a co-defendant probably carries the same denial gene as well! (he's describing himself and his co-d and still quite clearly not accepting responsibility)
Oh how time changes things....................... (a reminder of the years spent incarcerated - it is carved into his mind - he will never be free from it)
The arrogance of people convicted of heinous crimes against the elderly,women, and children, even having the audacity to equate it to something as trivial as acquisitive crimes such as car theft, just sums up how detached these beasts are from reality!! (his excuses and continual denial to show remorse - the rub to others - he believes some are innocent and others guilty - he needs to express this but lacks courage to do it openly)
At least you don't deliberately set out to further victimise victims and their families, as others do in an attempt to deflect from their own actions. (He knows what he has done and remains in denial.this is what he does. he wont stop until he is stopped!)
Despite your lifes trials mate ,you've taken responsibility and stepped up to the mark to help other in similar positions and have never shirked from acceptance of what your lifestyle may have been or not historically!
(bitterness has seeped through ever pore of his being - he will never be free from it)
You like me ,may not have been graced with the fortune of having a family capable of feathering your nest until you found well paid work abusing innocents with the corrupt! (he resents his upbringing - here he admits to what he is really doing - he knows his actions are premeditated)
Similarly, the areas we grew up in weren't swimming in oil cash so couldn't afford to sit around our parents houses drinking whisky and scamming folk on internet etc. all day like Beast Middleton (this is exactly what he does)
We had to get out there and make ends meet by grafting at whatever it took to survive!
That doesn't excuse every action subsequently-but it's certainly a world apart from taking liberties with women,children, and the elderly. (denial through and through - he will not stop)
It's heartening in a sense to see that genuine cases of misjustice like yours, will eventually have their day of truth. It's coming soon ,and you deserve it all when it does. Wullie-you're a credit to the genuine MOJ movement-hence the respect you hold within it -unlike others!! (he believes Wullie to be guilty - he wants this man on his side - he strokes this mans ego)
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I contacted CAB on friday via e-mail. I am now as I post writing to the following-:
CAB Derby (who he took to tribunal) to let them know he's working for the same organisation,
CAB @ Theobalds Road,
CAB head Office and Camden,.
I'm sorry but people with HIV and/or AIDS have suffered enough without having him too.
If there is any other organisation who needs to be told, please tell them or send me the details so I can do it. I can't have this, him bringing reputable places down and vulnerable people exposed to him.
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Here he is again today under the disguise of EGAP1 speaking to none other than Grahame, still hasn't figured it out, Belton..... @)(++(*
Hi Grahame
I was told off earlier by Rochford for posting on that thread and am under threat of going over his knee so I thought I'd best reply here
You're right I don't know all the background and I haven't been singled out for for abuse and by abuse I mean name calling albeit sick name calling eg having sex with animals etc, etc so I wldn't wish to minimise anyones grief that has suffered in this way and I do appreciate how acute this would have been for you personally with your daughter being ill. However, I personally wld like to think that if I or anyone associated with me did experience this sort of abuse I wld just feel sorry for the perpetrators as quite frankly it's childish beyond words and not at all funny/amusing and portrays them in a bad light overall. But at the end of the day...sticks and stones...
I understand Jackie had some taxis/takeaway food sent to her home and that is altogether different and I wld have thought legally is bordering on harassment.
As I see it posting on forums/facebook/twitter etc is relatively new ie last 10 years or so and it's currently self-regulated. So what one person thinks is acceptable/funny is offensive to another. If members of the public want to engage in this sort of communication I think they just have to accept that they cld be in for a bit of stick in the same way that those in the public eye are. I remember a few months back The Telegraph did a piece about Rowan Williams slating David Cameron and George Osborns 'big society' etc and boy did Rowan Williams get some abuse from the readers' comments. Google anyone in the public eye and you will see they suffer abuse on blogs and forums etc. To all intents and purposes we, ie members of this forum, put ourselves in the public eye by posting on a forum on www. There seems to be a correlation between those that have contributed the most on this forum eg yourself and Jackie and the level of abuse meted.
I personally think these people are best ignored however difficult this might be at times as by not doing so plays into their hands, lowers the tone of the forum and detracts from the main objective.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=recent (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=recent)
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I contacted CAB on friday via e-mail. I am now as I post writing to the following-:
CAB Derby (who he took to tribunal) to let them know he's working for the same organisation,
CAB @ Theobalds Road,
CAB head Office and Camden,.
I'm sorry but people with HIV and/or AIDS have suffered enough without having him too.
If there is any other organisation who needs to be told, please tell them or send me the details so I can do it. I can't have this, him bringing reputable places down and vulnerable people exposed to him.
It goes without saying that if everyone did the same then the Citizens Advice Bureau cannot then later say that they have not been warned. I advise everyone to ensure that they keep a record of their letters and e-mails for future reference.
Does anyone have the name of his probation officer?
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Go on this and part way down there is Camden HIV services, you can click on the link to send an enquiry.
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Go on this and part way down there is Camden HIV services, you can click on the link to send an enquiry.
I'm going to ensure I send a photograph of him as no doubt he will be using yet another alias!!!
Ty - will email them both....
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The blue forum have another agenda, this is clear.... as the troll
KEVIN CRAIGIE posts as bloggs and son
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2900.msg101362.html#msg101362 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2900.msg101362.html#msg101362)
Craigie appears desperate to go back to the institution from where he came.
He cannot cope with life on the outside and never will.
His lies, deceipt, harrassment and manipulation of the mind empower him.
But he is clearly weak - he knows it is only be a matter of time.
He is attacking at every given opportunity - he is everywhere.....
The heat is on for Craigie and the enevitable is only a matter of time away...
He wants to be caught - to go back to the safety of where he came from.....
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Bloggs and son is/was Belton
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I really don't like the blue forum, it's like the lunatics are running the asylum, one flew over the cuckoos nest. Most of the boards don't debate the title of it, they discuss each other, Coronationstreetrus.
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Admin someone has mentioned that when Steph was attacked on here a couple of IP addresses had been detected as having come from Colchester in Essex. We could be on to something here so could you let us know the IP's pls or let Steph have them ta. ?>)()<
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KC as lookout:
Poor Mike,,,I can sense, and feel your frustration at the deception and mishandling of this case.
Things at WHF were certainly not what they appeared to be when police entered that building. Two bodies found downstairs,,,,then because they'd been confused ( because Sheila had moved upstairs,,,,minus the nail varnish from her big toe,which proves that she was in the kitchen ) they then counted " another 4 bodies upstairs ?",,and as a consequence,ordered and received 6 body bags.
That was their 1st mistake at 7.38am,,,after that,, the mistakes kept on coming. What a disgrace.
Then finally to justify a conviction,,they cobbled up all manner of fabrications and elaborations ( particularly about the silencer ) the judge was swayed,and in turn so were the jury,,and poor Jeremy was convicted on such flimsy evidence, (purely circumstantial only ) that it just beggars belief.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2895.msg101425/topicseen.html#msg101425 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2895.msg101425/topicseen.html#msg101425)
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2899.msg101422.html#msg101422 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2899.msg101422.html#msg101422)
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Is everyone ok?
John, Stephanie, AgentA, Real truth and Peteats roll call over @)(++(*
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Is everyone ok?
John, Stephanie, AgentA, Real truth and Peteats roll call over @)(++(*
So??? What's happening? Mat is real then and seems he has been banned again by auntie Keira. You couldn't make it up if you tried. I look forward to reading the posts Mat. 8((()*/
What about me Joanne ????
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V busy stressful weekend Joanne.I did periodically log in to see if there was any update on that vile reptile.
My last update was that Phillipa (Pippa) Hart or her family had not given permission to KC to post details of her case on the forum.
This forum has come a long way in exposing the reality of who and what KC is, however there are still a few Q.s and conundrums left unanswered.
Also might be another topic thread,but just who is the FEMALE that out of the blue decided to support a MOJ (?) and began writing to them? This besides, made contact with immediate family members via a third person (Jengba) with an appointment for them to attend JOA org.I do know the family member met this appointment and was greeted by 2 suited men in an office somewhere in Putney.I have little other detail of this meeting,though I do have other detail surrounding the mysterious contact of this vulnerable family,
Historical this might be,however Craigie at the time was case worker for Jengba.To my knowledge this FEMALE
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Its early! My excuse is that I was testing to see who was really reading things @)(++(*
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Just who is SHE? Is SHE a HE and HER a HIM? A vile reptile?
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I periodically write to PH, AA and BL, I'm sure you know who I mean Real Truth but nothing like a penpal or supporting role and NEVER as a representative of JOA although I have the phone numbers of the mothers of PH, AA and BL but I have never spoken to them, I don't generally call people because my accent is such that most people outside Yorkshire struggle with it! @)(++(*
I don't have any details of any meeting that have gone on with anyone, I have a nagging feeling that KC took finances from the mother of AA (PB) but I can't prove it, one day PB was desperately trying to get hold of Kevin on facebook, this would be round the time he was moving in March, i think and I asked her if I could help her but she said no.
Are these meetings to do with these supposed letters that were sent out? I also found out yesterday that a long standing member of JOA never actually left, so I'm now worried was has gone off.
The only person I have regular contac t with in this country is Wyndham Thoms (I have permission to use his name and he has told me his wife can tell me stuff about Kevin too) and I write to one in America.
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John, Stephanie, AgentA, Real truth and Peteats roll call over @)(++(*
So??? What's happening? Mat is real then and seems he has been banned again by auntie Keira. You couldn't make it up if you tried. I look forward to reading the posts Mat. 8((()*/
What about me Joanne ????
Good morning David ?{)(**
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Joanne these events took place on the threshold of KC's demise with Jengba and the initiation of his involvement with JOA.It does not involve any of those you mention.It concerns a young woman convicted under JE murder.
It was events that unfolded at that time,which made me realise Craigie was something other than what he proposed to be.
If it can be confirmed that what several of us think HE is a HER and HE is that SHE, he has very serious questions to answer.Exposure of KC here might be only the tip of the iceberg.
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.......sorry about that.This FEMALE has to my knowledge ,not been identified, no one has spoken to her,met her,all correspondence either by PO Box or email.
Just who is SHE? Is SHE a HE and HER a HIM? A vile reptile?
I took the opportunity on Friday to speak to a colleague who knows about these things and he advises that those who have been cheated, defrauded, conned etc should be persuaded to speak out. Only then can the scope of this fiasco be ascertained properly.
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thanks David..
Re :my earlier post it is quite complex,so later will do a synopsis so others get to understand.Grave concerns are that the vile reptile writes as a Scottish female to a female inmate.This be found to be true,he has been assisted by other MOJ groups, using their PO Box and them passing on emails and phone messages, albeit unknowingly.Myself and a couple of sensible others on this forum, had at the time raised our concerns with these orgs.Will the REAL ROSE MARIE LECLERC STEP FORWARD?
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I've receeived an email today from Jengba; as follows
Please find attached the latest Newsletter from JENGbA and news about the fundraiser taking place TOMORROW, Tuesday 26th June in London (details on front page).
You can also read it online here: http://bit.ly/MB4XJ7 (http://bit.ly/MB4XJ7)
I've only scanned it and not had a chance to read it properly.
But I fear, some of these people are burying their heads in he sands?
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Keira isnt the goody two shoes she makes herself to be. If what you say is true jackie then she has more than abused her postion. Shes a self righteous silly old woman. Yes expose her i say. Sooner the better.
Well done jackie and mat.
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I look forward to reading all the posts too.
Everyone on this forum and the other forum will then realise I was banned so Mat couldn't tell me the vile stuff Keira had said about me in the weeks since he had been on the forum
They are shocking and Grahame knows all about it and has spoken to Keira about them but she is not prepared to apologise
Grahame is very annoyed about this and believes I have been very very badly treated.
I have just read on the other forum Neil saying that one of the reasons Grahame left was because I had started posting on this forum. This is not true, Grahame does not like me posting here but understands why.
So far I have not received the superinjunction in the post telling me although I was banned on the other site I am not allowed to post on this one so I will continue to do so.
When everyone reads the messages Mat has from Keira it will be clear she has dragged the forum down to a new level and it appears she has Neils blessing
So much for a forum that's meant to be about truth and honesty, and I thought I had been some help in the campaign
Jackie, Grahame left becuase i was posing on there, it seems that way.
Mat says he was banned for life from the other forum last night, and doesnt know why.
Can someone point a post made on here about a Nazi war criminal? I have had a telling about it for not removing it, but i cant find where it is!
My mam is jewish, so yes the post should go, i deem that affensive.
A link to it would be nice .
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I look forward to reading all the posts too.
Everyone on this forum and the other forum will then realise I was banned so Mat couldn't tell me the vile stuff Keira had said about me in the weeks since he had been on the forum
They are shocking and Grahame knows all about it and has spoken to Keira about them but she is not prepared to apologise
Grahame is very annoyed about this and believes I have been very very badly treated.
I have just read on the other forum Neil saying that one of the reasons Grahame left was because I had started posting on this forum. This is not true, Grahame does not like me posting here but understands why.
So far I have not received the superinjunction in the post telling me although I was banned on the other site I am not allowed to post on this one so I will continue to do so.
When everyone reads the messages Mat has from Keira it will be clear she has dragged the forum down to a new level and it appears she has Neils blessing
So much for a forum that's meant to be about truth and honesty, and I thought I had been some help in the campaign
Chin up jackiepreece. I wouldn't mind betting that Jeremy is disgusted with the way you've been treated. ?8)@)-)
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In TOPIC........................I met KC @ a LAI meeting in London.This was a brief meeting with KC and Gloria M arriving late due to late train connections after travelling back from a meeting with Paul Cleland.
We had spoke regularly on the phone prior to this.At this time KC was reported to be the case worker for Jengba.Indeed during our phone calls he would discuss with me cases he was reviewing
I was not impressed by LAI as all matters discussed were on an open forum in a public place.No confidentiallity whatsoever. It became apparent that LAI was more interested in their Jengba matters.I decided instantly that I would attend no more meetings.
I did however join the Jengba group as I did/do have concerns about the use of JE.
I noticed that Jengba supported cases regardless of merit.In particular that of a young woman Samantha Joseph.The person responsible for highlighting the case was a R Leclerc .It concerned me that an organisation trying to change a 300 yr old law would be seen to support such a controversial JE murder case.
I discussed this with KC who told me Jengba committee wereall a bunch of raving loons and the probability was that R Leclerc was MI5 or at the least 1 or maybe 2 police officers infiltrating the group to destroy it!
I pm’d R Leclerc who informed me that she had never met S Joseph yet was supporting her case?
ALARM BELLS.
I trawled the internet for any details of both KC and RL nothing turned up ,except for CAB report and for both of them ,deviant sex sites,one more so than the other!
I kept this knowledge away from KC whilst listening to his wild rambling conversations of MI5,degrading tales of Gloria M,Darren B etc.This was my attempt to gain inside knowledge from him to find out just who the hell he was and more so what he was all about!
KC asked me to attend an LAI meeting ,do him a favour as he wanted me to make contact with SJ’s mother and report back to him.KC was excited to know that I would attend and report back to him.
I made contact with the mother of SJ at the onset of the meeting.A very warm woman,weakened and saddened that her talented only daughter had involved herself in events that led her to be the recipient of a life sentence.
Equally surprised that she had been summoned to an LAI meeting. was clear that she had no knowledge of any MOJ groups and had definitely not initiated any of the events.
Immediately GM passed her a letter from BBC4 ,an invitation for her daughter to be interviewed in prison and give her an opportunity to tell her side of the story ALARM BELLS
Contact with BBC4 was made by R Leclerc and all responses used either through Jengba PO Box or GM’S email.
You might recall that BBC4 have gone on to do a prog re:SJ without having interviewed her!
I travelled home that night with this mother who further informed me that she had no idea who R Leclerc was ,other than she was writing to her daughter in HMP and using a P O Box for return mail.
She had no idea why an appointment had been made for her to go to JOA where she was met by 2 suited men.
She had no idea her daughters artwork/correspondence was being posted on jengba forum. Posed the Q to me isn’t that against the data protection act.
I passed this info over to the vile reptile and asked him if he was this R Leclerc.
He assured me he wasn’t (?) Immediately all artwork etc. Re SJ were deleted from Jengba site .......ohh and R Leclerc gave up her job removing herself to work in a war torn French speaking territory to work as a special nurse.
Make of it what you will............at this point KC attacked me on an open forum.
I met KC @ a LAI meeting in London.This was a brief meeting with KC and Gloria M arriving late due to late train connections after travelling back from a meeting with Pail Cleland.
We had spoke regularly on the phone prior to this.At this time KC was reported to be the case worker for Jengba.Indeed during our phone calls he would discuss with me cases he was reviewing
I was not impressed by LAI as all matters discussed were on an open forum in a public place.No confidentiallity whatsoever. It became apparent that LAI was more interested in their Jengba matters.I decided instantly that I would attend no more meetings.
I did however join the Jengba group as I did/do have concerns about the use of JE.
I noticed that Jengba supported cases regardless of merit.In particular that of a young woman Samantha Joseph.The person responsible for highlighting the case was a R Leclerc .It concerned me that an organisation trying to change a 300 yr old law would be seen to support such a controversial JE murder case.
I discussed this with KC who told me Jengba committee wereall a bunch of raving loons and the probability was that R Leclerc was MI5 or at the least 1 or maybe 2 police officers infiltrating the group to destroy it!
I pm’d R Leclerc who informed me that she had never met S Joseph yet was supporting her case?
ALARM BELLS.
I trawled the internet for any details of both KC and RL nothing turned up ,except for CAB report and for both of them ,deviant sex sites,one more so than the other!
I kept this knowledge away from KC whilst listening to his wild rambling conversations of MI5,degrading tales of Gloria M,Darren B etc.This was my attempt to gain inside knowledge from him to find out just who the hell he was and more so what he was all about!
KC asked me to attend an LAI meeting ,do him a favour as he wanted me to make contact with SJ’s mother and report back to him.KC was excited to know that I would attend and report back to him.
I made contact with the mother of SJ at the onset of the meeting.A very warm woman,weakened and saddened that her talented only daughter had involved herself in events that led her to be the recipient of a life sentence.
Equally surprised that she had been summoned to an LAI meeting. was clear that she had no knowledge of any MOJ groups and had definitely not initiated any of the events.
Immediately GM passed her a letter from BBC4 ,an invitation for her daughter to be interviewed in prison and give her an opportunity to tell her side of the story ALARM BELLS
Contact with BBC4 was made by R Leclerc and all responses used either through Jengba PO Box or GM’S email.
You might recall that BBC4 have gone on to do a prog re:SJ without having interviewed her!
I travelled home that night with this mother who further informed me that she had no idea who R Leclerc was ,other than she was writing to her daughter in HMP and using a P O Box for return mail.
She had no idea why an appointment had been made for her to go to JOA where she was met by 2 suited men.
She had no idea her daughters artwork/correspondence was being posted on jengba forum. Posed the Q to me isn’t that against the data protection act.
I passed this info over to the vile reptile and asked him if he was this R Leclerc.
He assured me he wasn’t (?) Immediately all artwork etc. Re SJ were deleted from Jengba site .......ohh and R Leclerc gave up her job removing herself to work in a war torn French speaking territory to work as a special nurse.
Make of it what you will............at this point KC attacked me on an open forum.
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Do you think KC is monitoring things on here? I think he probably is like.
Well of course he is ?{)(**
He needs to keep up with how far we have dug into his vile/threatening behaviour.
But i believe he does know the implications for his actions, Hence facebook accounts being deleted, in an attempt to cover his back , Sadly he wont be able to cover his back , due to screenshots taken ...Oh and if police or probation went to Facebook, They will be able to access even deleted accounts 8)--)) I am in no doubt this vile excuse of a man will rear his ugly/vile/threatening face again in yet another guise ..and no doubt he will try to claim his accounts were hacked/ or used by others without his knowledge, as he has done before ...but the Ip address will verify that it WAS craigie and no one else...
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Well, I know the postings on his facebook accounts will be traced to his IP address, I ask the vital questions before I do things 8(0(* and things removed from facebook can be retrieved by facebook if ordered to by the feds.
I went down to ask this morning if there's an anti-dote to hide my ass/kissmy ass or whatever because I'm sure there has to be but my mate's on holiday until next monday. I mean like every paedophile the world over would use it wouldn't they if it wasn't traceable? 8(8-))
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In TOPIC........................I met KC @ a LAI meeting in London.This was a brief meeting with KC and Gloria M arriving late due to late train connections after travelling back from a meeting with Paul Cleland.
We had spoke regularly on the phone prior to this.At this time KC was reported to be the case worker for Jengba.Indeed during our phone calls he would discuss with me cases he was reviewing
I was not impressed by LAI as all matters discussed were on an open forum in a public place.No confidentiallity whatsoever. It became apparent that LAI was more interested in their Jengba matters.I decided instantly that I would attend no more meetings.
I did however join the Jengba group as I did/do have concerns about the use of JE.
I noticed that Jengba supported cases regardless of merit.In particular that of a young woman Samantha Joseph.The person responsible for highlighting the case was a R Leclerc .It concerned me that an organisation trying to change a 300 yr old law would be seen to support such a controversial JE murder case.
I discussed this with KC who told me Jengba committee wereall a bunch of raving loons and the probability was that R Leclerc was MI5 or at the least 1 or maybe 2 police officers infiltrating the group to destroy it!
I pm’d R Leclerc who informed me that she had never met S Joseph yet was supporting her case?
ALARM BELLS.
I trawled the internet for any details of both KC and RL nothing turned up ,except for CAB report and for both of them ,deviant sex sites,one more so than the other!
I kept this knowledge away from KC whilst listening to his wild rambling conversations of MI5,degrading tales of Gloria M,Darren B etc.This was my attempt to gain inside knowledge from him to find out just who the hell he was and more so what he was all about!
KC asked me to attend an LAI meeting ,do him a favour as he wanted me to make contact with SJ’s mother and report back to him.KC was excited to know that I would attend and report back to him.
I made contact with the mother of SJ at the onset of the meeting.A very warm woman,weakened and saddened that her talented only daughter had involved herself in events that led her to be the recipient of a life sentence.
Equally surprised that she had been summoned to an LAI meeting. was clear that she had no knowledge of any MOJ groups and had definitely not initiated any of the events.
Immediately GM passed her a letter from BBC4 ,an invitation for her daughter to be interviewed in prison and give her an opportunity to tell her side of the story ALARM BELLS
Contact with BBC4 was made by R Leclerc and all responses used either through Jengba PO Box or GM’S email.
You might recall that BBC4 have gone on to do a prog re:SJ without having interviewed her!
I travelled home that night with this mother who further informed me that she had no idea who R Leclerc was ,other than she was writing to her daughter in HMP and using a P O Box for return mail.
She had no idea why an appointment had been made for her to go to JOA where she was met by 2 suited men.
She had no idea her daughters artwork/correspondence was being posted on jengba forum. Posed the Q to me isn’t that against the data protection act.
I passed this info over to the vile reptile and asked him if he was this R Leclerc.
He assured me he wasn’t (?) Immediately all artwork etc. Re SJ were deleted from Jengba site .......ohh and R Leclerc gave up her job removing herself to work in a war torn French speaking territory to work as a special nurse.
Make of it what you will............at this point KC attacked me on an open forum.
Now i wonder if those two suited men also approached another lady at a JENGBA meeting informing her that they could fast track her sons case to the COA , but would be a costly process, which in the course of events cost this lady 30k, which was raised from remortgaging her home ..They were very polite and helpful!!..They even went to the ladies house, picked her up and drove her to the bank to collect the money ....BEFORE DISAPPEARING WITH THE 30K 8()(((@#, leaving a very vulnerable lady with another mortgage, and a son that still sits in prison...Were the men part of JENGBA? where these two men part of JOA ? Somebody would have passed details about her sons case on ! Does anybody at these organisations have access to a disability vehicle ...i wonder
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The last bit about them having access to a disbled vehicle, I'm not sure what the significance is, are they making false/fraudlant claims or something?
I have to admit, that did take my breath away too, just when you think you've heard it all. 8(8-))
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Well, I know the postings on his facebook accounts will be traced to his IP address, I ask the vital questions before I do things 8(0(* and things removed from facebook can be retrieved by facebook if ordered to by the feds.
I went down to ask this morning if there's an anti-dote to hide my ass/kissmy ass or whatever because I'm sure there has to be but my mate's on holiday until next monday. I mean like every paedophile the world over would use it wouldn't they if it wasn't traceable? 8(8-))
Yes its traceable @)(++(* 8((()*/ 8**8:/: ?{)(** 8(>(( 8)-))) just need the right person to investigate ..ie police ect
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ha ha i like that....yes they all just bury their heads..perhaps when the charity commission does their "bit", and investigates the JOA , we know it wont stop there ...anyone whose name has ever been associated will be under suspicion ..and any other Charity that they are involved in may also get a little poke too 8)-)))
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Yes, I'm prepared for a poker tournament.
Knowing my luck I'll do all the time for having my name on a piece of paper.
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The last bit about them having access to a disbled vehicle, I'm not sure what the significance is, are they making false/fraudlant claims or something?
I have to admit, that did take my breath away too, just when you think you've heard it all. 8(8-))
Joanne the Disability car was what the men turned up in...whether a claim was false/fraudulent we do not know ..what worries us is this...if these men were not from JENGBA then the question needs to be asked/answered...The Case of this ladies son was with JENGBA at the time , So who had access to these 8(8-)) but who passed these on to the two crooks that then fleeced and ran ?
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Yes, I'm prepared for a poker tournament.
Knowing my luck I'll do all the time for having my name on a piece of paper.
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Jackie is denying that one of the reasons Grahame left was because he felt betrayed by Jackie because she had joined Lamberton's forum. Whatever Jackie may like to think, I was told this by Grahame when he left and I am sure he will confirm it to Jackie is she asks him.
We will see who felt betrayed when the messages from Keira get posted and I have only seen a few, Neil knows about them but decided to turn a blind eye and give Keira his full support.
Grahame should not feel betrayed anyway because I have been sticking up for him on here.
And quite rightly so Jackie. Grahame can give it out when the notion suits him so he should be able to take it when it comes around. Don't get us wrong, we like Grahame and admire his loyalty to Jeremy but as far as we are concerned it is misplaced.
This forum was conceived out the inability of the blue forum to cater for all comers. We have no such problem and have always welcomed pro Bamber just as much as we have welcomed anti Bamber. We welcome all comers and hopefully will continue to do so. We also permit a policy of guest posting which is not available in any of the other justice forums. We are justifiably proud of this because this signifies that we have been able to control the mischief when it occurs without banning anyone for any significant period of time.
Jackie, it has been pointed out that you yourself did us a disservice when you acted as you did not so many months ago. You boasted of having the previous forum taken down and you have been responsible for many acts which have been questionable. We are big enough to be able to put those actions behind us and it says a lot of our founder members who have allowed you to join us. Well done members. 8@??)(
Last nights events with Mat was a wake up call. We nearly lost a good and honest member because of the actions of a troll. Mat has been vouched for but this should not have been necessary. We are now considering what is the best way forward and Andrea has put forward the suggestion which was seconded that we should ban guest posters. We will organise a poll on this matter shortly.
Thank you everyone for making this forum a brilliant place to be. 8((()*/
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Yes Joanne, but you have the scenario of. We convicted your son of Murder, you have lost 30k to two conmen who were going to fastrack the case to court to get him out. They have now run of with money. Yes we will investigate it.
But in all seriousness do think they would waste much time on it 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
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When you are reading this; please - take your kind hearted backside to the cop shop and tell them what you know.
This isn't 'informing' on anyone it is called doing the right thing!
Many families lives have been torn apart by this one man and with your help you could put a stop to it.
It IS your business Leanne - it's everyones business!
You cannot ignore his crimes any longer and I plead with you to off load your worries to the authorities that can help you..... not people that already have enough on their plate!!
IT was Leannes Business when she went down on the paperwork for JOA
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If you are reading this Lea Anne, please take notice of what is being said, people are trying to help you here.
They have been extremely supportive of me since this kicked off, there are people on here who can help you. They are helping me.
There are a lot of people who have invested THEIR time into this to try and stop Kevin and his merry band of chuffs, we all want the same thing.
Our names have been put on paperwork relating to his activites, you must know how bad this looks. I know I haven't signed anything or done anything else. I know the only thing I am guilty of is writing to a few prisoners and trying to help them-usually to my own cost but even they're disgusted by his activites.
If nothing else, remember this is a bloke who left a man unconcious and got him no help, he shows no remorse even to this day, so you need to tell the feds everything you know, he isn't going to stop anytime soon.
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If you are reading this Lea Anne, please take notice of what is being said, people are trying to help you here.
They have been extremely supportive of me since this kicked off, there are people on here who can help you. They are helping me.
There are a lot of people who have invested THEIR time into this to try and stop Kevin and his merry band of chuffs, we all want the same thing.
Our names have been put on paperwork relating to his activites, you must know how bad this looks. I know I haven't signed anything or done anything else. I know the only thing I am guilty of is writing to a few prisoners and trying to help them-usually to my own cost but even they're disgusted by his activites.
If nothing else, remember this is a bloke who left a man unconcious and got him no help, he shows no remorse even to this day, so you need to tell the feds everything you know, he isn't going to stop anytime soon.
She's reading.... @)(++(*
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If you are reading this Lea Anne, please take notice of what is being said, people are trying to help you here.
They have been extremely supportive of me since this kicked off, there are people on here who can help you. They are helping me.
There are a lot of people who have invested THEIR time into this to try and stop Kevin and his merry band of chuffs, we all want the same thing.
Our names have been put on paperwork relating to his activites, you must know how bad this looks. I know I haven't signed anything or done anything else. I know the only thing I am guilty of is writing to a few prisoners and trying to help them-usually to my own cost but even they're disgusted by his activites.
If nothing else, remember this is a bloke who left a man unconcious and got him no help, he shows no remorse even to this day, so you need to tell the feds everything you know, he isn't going to stop anytime soon.
What's a chuff? 8-)(--) Is that a Northern thing?
I'm gonna stick to TWUNT! @)(++(*
Yes good Question...haha i got the "jist of Twunt haha
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Somes times it means happy like-I got a pay rise, chuffed.
I think in Wales it means something entirely different, I saw a programme with Dom Joly on it about mobile phone antenae, one was on the top of a church with an angel on it, so they said 'Oh the phone mast aerial goes up the angels chuff'! @)(++(*
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Leanne , has been a victim to this man too and i believe she is too scared to do anything formal about him.
But if you continue to keep quiet and hide , you are allowing this vile creature to continue , the list is getting longer and longer , Get out now while you can ,
i see what will happen here ...Are you going to let this man pass HIS responsibilities on to you , are you ready to face that?
Well whatever you decide , its your choice and yours alone ..
.If you want to go it alone that's fine , but just remember the help was offered on a plate , when he launches his vile/filthy attacks on you, then you will realise what he has done to many others before you .
Take Care Leanne
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Please trust the people on here. I can guarantee they will help you and they have YOUR interests at heart.
They will help you.
I know it's hard having this to face up to and it makes for hard reading (very hard reading), you will get support I promise you.
This who sorry episode has played heavy on a lot of people. We need to stop it and we can.
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The last bit about them having access to a disbled vehicle, I'm not sure what the significance is, are they making false/fraudlant claims or something?
I have to admit, that did take my breath away too, just when you think you've heard it all. 8(8-))
Joanne I did say my remit was a synopsis!Full account is more like Pauls epistle to the Ephesians. 8)><(
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Very disturbing thought isn't it.Regardless of her circumstance, a young woman writing to who she believes to be a young Scottish nurse could indeed be writing to a vile reptile.How deviant would that be?
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http://murderormisogyny.blogspot.co.uk/
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• yes I saw that! See the info she has gathered? See how she is utilising Jengba? Very odd for a 22 yr old methinks!
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Kevin Craigie
• Dr Green will soon put her straight.....he set up United Against Injustice 20 years ago....he came to my house a few weeks ago, and we work well together
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21 March 2011
Eileen
• told me only yesterday she learnt her blog skills working on Jengba site ;)Seems she has been blogging for some considerable time.
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Kevin Craigie
• and she set mine up !!!!
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Lea Anne
• haha well if its anyone i need to steer clear of let me know cos i never see it coming...i deleted rosemare cos im almost sure she isnt real and ive just had a friend request from an albert fisher who is friends with mary smith on my list......had another look she has deleted him and now he just has 2 youngs girls there....they have used a word that tells me exactly who it is lol...xx
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Eileen
• understand........re:Rose almost deffo not real.Deleted her then unblocked and watchin!! Tryin to understand her motive! If I suspect anyone will let you know XXX
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Lea Anne
• haha ive got my ideas....i know for sure who the mr fisher is....someone we both know x
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Eileen
• really??someone playin silly b....rs then? lol xx
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Lea Anne
• yes once again..... im with u for sure on rosemarie i deleted him lol x
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Banged to rights Mr Wullie Beck 8@??)(
http://shirleymckie.myfastforum.org/ftopic1098-20.php (http://shirleymckie.myfastforum.org/ftopic1098-20.php)
Who is he and what has he to do with our friend Kevin Craigie? 8-)(--)
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http://yiffy.tk/character/Natahlay/Rosemarie+Leclerc
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Nationality French
Western Zodiac taurus Species Domestic Shorthair Cat
Sex female Fur Colour(s) Tand and white
Gender female Fur Pattern Tan body, white belly, white socks and boots, white face
Orientation Bi-Curious Fur Texture Sleek and smooth, short.
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Rosemarie Leclerc
i wrote mummy a letter and sent it with an email to my brother, asking that he print it and give it to her. if she doesnt want to read it i cant do any more...i do love her but i cant make her love me, eileen
it must be such an emotional rollercoaster for you ...dont know what to say...just ummm i feel for you
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08-03-2011
Rose
JENGbA
27 Old Gloucester Street
LONDON
WC1N 3AX
Dear Rose,
Thanks for replying back to my letter, your letters always make me laught and boost my confidence.
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make of this what you like:
http://yiffy.tk/character/Natahlay/Rosemarie+Leclerc
Oh i have so been waiting for this one @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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In real life you would dismiss him as a nobody.Nothing to report about him. strikes a resemblance to Charles Hawtrey, in a funny way! You ever met him Stephanie? I was never taken in by him as I had the feeling he was a little boy lost.My days of nurturing are well behind me ?{)(** Then the things he would tell me,the stories didn't feel right.Logic.....how could HE make an impact within the law,he was no MLKing or N Mandella figure oozing charisma etc.
Then he sent me 5 chapters of his book,what a revelation.Had there been correct intervention years ago he might have had the capacity to be all the positive characters he quotes.
My only aim is to stop him hurting those already vulnerable and scarred by fighting an MOJ.
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Nationality French
Western Zodiac taurus Species Domestic Shorthair Cat
Sex female Fur Colour(s) Tand and white
Gender female Fur Pattern Tan body, white belly, white socks and boots, white face
Orientation Bi-Curious Fur Texture Sleek and smooth, short.
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I am just going to sit back and let you carry on doing the splendid job your doing. 8((()*/ 8((()*/ 8((()*/ 8((()*/ @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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http://yiffy.tk/character/Natahlay/Rosemarie+Leclerc
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http://yiffy.tk/character/Natahlay/Rosemarie+Leclerc
Oh i have so been waiting for this one @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Ok been back to the site, but i cant expand the pic of the cat in pants up to a larger size. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/CAB-made-me-sound-like-Frank-Spencer-.htm
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KC if you are reading this:
I am not spiteful,bitter or twisted but yes I am angry.You could easily have reinvented yourself and been a genuine help to many.YOU chose to educate yourself and have allowed all that knowledge to go to waste.You used it with the same devious mindset that got you incarcerated.
The truth will always be just that.You might well have been forgiven and had real friends to support you.
Instead YOU chose to hurt people.You had to be stopped.
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What with the Blue Boxers, The Kinky Cat issue, and this..
http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/CAB-made-me-sound-like-Frank-Spencer-.htm
This seriously is getting like Carry On Kev.... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Think we wrote it for him 8)--)) Mind (lol) we get contracts signed so we get shares and future royalties.You don't think he would try swindle us do you?
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I got attacked on facebook by Kevin's friends a couple of years ago....
Think the above gives you some idea of what he was already doing in 2010.
I never 'slagged him off' I tried to warn one or two people that all was not as it seemed.
Warning bells rang loud when he kept banging on about his book....
Leanne was one of the people I warned back then....
Hmm back then she was unaware too? It was only a winters tale lalalala @)(++(*
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I cannot believe that this forum has spent not just days but weeks exposing KC, do you not have cases that your looking to over turn ??? Some peoples behaviour on this site makes me question there MH, its like your fixtated with this MAN, WHY is that, get over him and move on JENGbA did and so did other Campaigns but it seems on this site that's all you guys can talk about is him. What a waste of energy and time you all must have, he's been exposed and all your doing now is giving him more air time, meeting his needs pampering to his needs and giving him more space to wind you all up. John has done his best to secure factual info but it just seems like some people can't move on. This concerns me ALOT mainly because this is a site correct me if i'm wrong "A MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE", he's been exposed as the weasel he is, but you continue to use this site to vent your anger, like you never been mugged of before. Let me say from here i'm not a KC supporter far from it, but anyone looking at this site would come away with the impression that youve all got some kind of fixtation with him, youve all been burnt by him, so move on. I have no issue of you all outing him for the arsehole he is, but every day come on folks get back to reality is he really worth all your time & effort that your investing in him. I did tell my misses about this site however i've warned her not to go on here as personally i dont want her to be distracted from trying to clear her loved ones name, by getting caught up in this anti- KC. I know some of you may not like what i've said but i'm entitled to my own opinion and i have broad shoulders so i can take what i give. I just wanted to point out that everytime i have entered this site since joining as a guest all i've seen is KC KC KC sounds more like Kentucky Chicken. I came to this site hoping to help my misses find some other links to prove her love one is innocent, but all you've done is expose someone who everybody has an angle on. KC really can't go to any MOJ sites that are in existence now, unless they are new like this one was, when he first approached it. I doubt he bargain for your diligence and scope to investigate things thoroughly, hence there are such people like SH, EG, too name but a few who have met him, like i have and he didnt approach me or my misses, or attempt to charm or bedazzle us, maybe that's because were a couple. However he had met my misses first, but he didn't approach her or try any of the stuff that some of you have recorded. HE wouldn't of got any money of her as she doesn't give me any at the best of times, and she doesn't suffer fools gladly and is very astute in judging peoples characters/personality etc. That's all i've got to say tonite doing a late shift and all is quiet so i thought i'd come and have a look and was just surprised to see that KC was still the flavour of the day the week for some, that's all, because all youv'e done is armed him with the info that you have supplied the authorities, he now knows the extent what your proposing to do to him and guess what he revels in it, he is what i would call a Psycho path. End off 8@??)( and thank you for allowing me say my piece not that you had much choice.
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Did you ever receive the money Kevin said he would send you Joanne?
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Daria Magor-Edwards isn't she friends on FB with some people on here, who are not using there real names??? Maybe wrong maybe right. Only those that are friends with her on FB can say 8)-)))
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I'm Ray Mitchell ??? Would you like to know anything else ask away Stephanie, i have been on this site b4 actually defending your good self when you 1st exposed KC and others were not in support.. 8()-000(
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Your too paranoid Stephanie not everyone that comes on this site is KC, can you help me out here John and remind this lady that i have been on this site previously. Why the need to be so presumptuous??? I have not used a fake name or called myself something else i am who i am. It's obvious KC has scar you and i understand your betrayal and contempt for him, but i assure you i am not KC, and you only have my word for that. 8(0(*
Yes, Ray has supported your call to have KC dealt with some weeks back.
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Your right Stephanie it was when you were band, as at first i just read the comments, but when they barred u from the site it is than i asked John why he was so quick to bar u when all you were saying is the truth, i agree with all what you had to say about him and u were correct in ur findings of him, and i watched in amazement how others did not believe you or take what u said as fact, that's all i'm saying and i'm sorry i bore you with my writing but i don't have a Degree just a state school education unlike my misses, so excuse me if u don't understand my grammer or humour. 8-)(--)
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Your too paranoid Stephanie not everyone that comes on this site is KC, can you help me out here John and remind this lady that i have been on this site previously. Why the need to be so presumptuous??? I have not used a fake name or called myself something else i am who i am. It's obvious KC has scar you and i understand your betrayal and contempt for him, but i assure you i am not KC, and you only have my word for that. 8(0(*
Yes, Ray has supported your call to have KC dealt with some weeks back.
Nope Ray has only posted tonight John - you may need to double check with Admin.....
Come on then Ray - get your willy our for the girls.... @)(++(* 8(0(* 8@??)( 8((()*/
Ray posted as a guest before his membership was approved. What he states above is valid. 8((()*/
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8@??)( Stephanie why do u feel need to be so crass to me, John has confirmed that i have been on here b4, unlike you i have a job and like i said i'm on nights and it's quiet hence why i'm on here, however after that remark regarding my W****, i doubt i will be back, and u wonder why KC came gunning for you i didnt come on here to be insulted, i made a comment that you & others spend too much time debating the likes of KC giving him more & more power over you, sharing info that will arm him. As you know he is not a stupid man far from it, he seems to have learned while in prison to master the art of fraud. However i will attempt to stay away from this site if this is what it's all about, i'll go back to playing solitare, sorry John but how can one prove who one is???
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John it's been a pleasure i wont be recommending this site to anyone i know who have MOJ cases, this is not a site about Justice it's about people who just don't want help but to ridicule people trying to search for justice, by trying to share their experiences, it's obvious that some of your members are not searching for the truth, and agree with them all when it comes to the likes of KC. I understand their paranoia and mistrust of everyone, i suppose when you have been stung by the likes of KC it can make you mistrust everyone & anyone regarding your "case". Even though you have confirmed that i have been on this site b4 it makes know odds with these characters, it's a shame as some of your other posts are actually great. Stephanie the next time i'm at MOJ event i will personally make the effort to come and introduce myself and u will be surprised that we have met before. 8)--)) Good Luck in your causes everyone.
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John it's been a pleasure i wont be recommending this site to anyone i know who have MOJ cases, this is not a site about Justice it's about people who just don't want help but to ridicule people trying to search for justice, by trying to share their experiences, it's obvious that some of your members are not searching for the truth, and agree with them all when it comes to the likes of KC. I understand their paranoia and mistrust of everyone, i suppose when you have been stung by the likes of KC it can make you mistrust everyone & anyone regarding your "case". Even though you have confirmed that i have been on this site b4 it makes know odds with these characters, it's a shame as some of your other posts are actually great. Stephanie the next time i'm at MOJ event i will personally make the effort to come and introduce myself and u will be surprised that we have met before. 8)--)) Good Luck in your causes everyone.
Ray stop writing books and leave ... good lad!
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8@??)( Stephanie why do u feel need to be so crass to me, John has confirmed that i have been on here b4, unlike you i have a job and like i said i'm on nights and it's quiet hence why i'm on here, however after that remark regarding my W****, i doubt i will be back, and u wonder why KC came gunning for you i didnt come on here to be insulted, i made a comment that you & others spend too much time debating the likes of KC giving him more & more power over you, sharing info that will arm him. As you know he is not a stupid man far from it, he seems to have learned while in prison to master the art of fraud. However i will attempt to stay away from this site if this is what it's all about, i'll go back to playing solitare, sorry John but how can one prove who one is???
I understand your frustration Ray and I do remember you giving support to Stephanie but those posts were removed when we had to restart the thread. It has got to the stage where we will have to close the Kevin Craigie topic if posters continue to treat every new member as if they are Kevin Craigie.
Members are reminded that new members are checked before being approved to post. Please treat all new members with the respect they deserve. Would you like to join a forum only to be attacked and referred to as someone you didn't even know existed?
Some restraint please! I won't ask twice.
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John it's been a pleasure i wont be recommending this site to anyone i know who have MOJ cases, this is not a site about Justice it's about people who just don't want help but to ridicule people trying to search for justice, by trying to share their experiences, it's obvious that some of your members are not searching for the truth, and agree with them all when it comes to the likes of KC. I understand their paranoia and mistrust of everyone, i suppose when you have been stung by the likes of KC it can make you mistrust everyone & anyone regarding your "case". Even though you have confirmed that i have been on this site b4 it makes know odds with these characters, it's a shame as some of your other posts are actually great. Stephanie the next time i'm at MOJ event i will personally make the effort to come and introduce myself and u will be surprised that we have met before. 8)--)) Good Luck in your causes everyone.
You have to remember Ray that it is quite normal for the forum to have some fun at this time of night. All work and no play makes for a very dull forum.
That said, I will apologise on behalf of some of our members who have possibly got ahead of themselves tonight and have taken advantage of your genuine honesty in attempting to calm things. I hope you will reconsider in the light of day and if it is a matter of vouching for your validity I am quite prepared to speak to you personally as I had to do with Mat last night.
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Maybe you could link a previous post as I am unable to find ANY previous posts by Ray.
The old posts relating to that fiasco were for the most part deleted when it was realised that Kevin was taking the mickey. I certainly remember Ray coming to Stephanie's defence in a couple of posts he made. He made them as a member and not a guest...my mistake.
There actually was two separate threads which morphed into one eventually when it was realised what was going on. The only posts which remain in the archive are those which were 'reported' as being inappropriate.
I will have another check to see if any remain on the main board.
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John i understand i don't do myself any favours as i don't frequent this site as much as others and maybe if i did have the time, i would as i do find it amusing at the best of times especially when i do nights and it's quiet, so i do understand their humour and mistrust but when ur on cyber space you cannot really prove who u are unless ur on Skype, but hey i suppose i open myself up for it, i just thought after you removed the previous thread regarding KC, i just thought it would of moved on, but obviously not. ?>)()< Be lucky...
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John i understand i don't do myself any favours as i don't frequent this site as much as others and maybe if i did have the time, i would as i do find it amusing at the best of times especially when i do nights and it's quiet, so i do understand their humour and mistrust but when ur on cyber space you cannot really prove who u are unless ur on Skype, but hey i suppose i open myself up for it, i just thought after you removed the previous thread regarding KC, i just thought it would of moved on, but obviously not. ?>)()< Be lucky...
Its getting to the stage that we will have to personally contact every new member if this paranoia continues unabated.
Maybe that is the way forward thanks to KC.
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I will reiterate for the sake of clarity.
It is not very nice to come on to a new forum and attempt to find ones feet only to be put down.
Please afford new members the respect they deserve.
Thank you and good night all. (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/c010.gif)
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John i understand i don't do myself any favours as i don't frequent this site as much as others and maybe if i did have the time, i would as i do find it amusing at the best of times especially when i do nights and it's quiet, so i do understand their humour and mistrust but when ur on cyber space you cannot really prove who u are unless ur on Skype, but hey i suppose i open myself up for it, i just thought after you removed the previous thread regarding KC, i just thought it would of moved on, but obviously not. ?>)()< Be lucky...
Its getting to the stage that we will have to personally contact every new member if this paranoia continues unabated.
Maybe that is the way forward thanks to KC.
Maybe? I would have thought it mandatory!
Quite possibly, we will see what develops.
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Like i said i have done myself no favours by not being a frequent visitor, not to worry i'm not, i don't know these people personally they don't affect my life, unlike KC he has touched their's. Having to make contact with every member is not a way forward some people like the disguises, be able to say things that would never say generally, who knows people get there kicks from all kinds of places. Goodnite people i defo have to go and do my rounds. 8((()*/
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Like i said i have done myself no favours by not being a frequent visitor, not to worry i'm not, i don't know these people personally they don't affect my life, unlike KC he has touched their's. Having to make contact with every member is not a way forward some people like the disguises, be able to say things that would never say generally, who knows people get there kicks from all kinds of places. Goodnite people i defo have to go and do my rounds. 8((()*/
Thanks Ray and appreciate you being able to see the funny side of what can go on at times.
I do appreciate the input of everyone who comes onto this forum, everyone's views are respected and that is the way it should be. Some of us can get carried away at times and say things that we later regret, that is why we have a remove button or why I have a big CENSORED key.
It isn't any easy job being a mediator all the time believe you me. 8(8-))
PS A good idea Angel A, will probably put that into practice from now on. 8((()*/
New rules tomorrow!
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Daria Magor-Edwards isn't she friends on FB with some people on here, who are not using there real names??? Maybe wrong maybe right. Only those that are friends with her on FB can say 8)-)))
Paul 'the brute' Scouser is that you you monkey.... @)(++(*
Oh no - it's Craigie the chat chuffing twunt.... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* SURE IS
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Like i said i have done myself no favours by not being a frequent visitor, not to worry i'm not, i don't know these people personally they don't affect my life, unlike KC he has touched their's. Having to make contact with every member is not a way forward some people like the disguises, be able to say things that would never say generally, who knows people get there kicks from all kinds of places. Goodnite people i defo have to go and do my rounds. 8((()*/
Ball of Confusion..Within your post you have info that no one else has Ray. @)(++(* @)(++(* RAY NOT 4 REAL
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Where have his facebook pages gone? I thought even when you deactivate they still appear in the list under his name for 14 days until totally deactivated? His have gone totally.
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I wonder what'll happen at CAB, I posted letters yesterday and sent emails. Why do I feel totally horrible for grassing him? I might be like.
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I wanted to ask you a question, if someone writes to a lifer in prison will there be a record of that letter and who sent it?. It's nothing to do with Simon, something totally separate but quite important information for an investigation that is taking place involving someone at the moment
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http://kevincraigie.webs.com/
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I think thats probably an unfortunate consequence. 8(8-))
Has KC left facebook (altogether) now?
Has he been spotted on any other forums?
Has anyone heard from him?
I haven't, however I did have a card from an ex this morning-from 4 years ago, this is a chuff who was multi-dating, had no money and was frigid, just what I need-not. If he thinks he's coming back he can sit with KC in the chuffs corner.
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So what has happened to Steph ?????
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26/6/2012 Mehmet - Hussainmeft@hotmail.co.uk
Found this one on the inside time MAY edition. Pondering if we have kevin craigie right or mayby wrong.
If a man is called to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well. Kevin Craigie has been called to fight injustice and he does it well.
I've seen too much hate to want to hate, myself, and every time I see it, I say to myself, hate is too great a burden to bear. Somehow we must be able to stand up against our most bitter opponents and say: We shall match your capacity to inflict suffering by our capacity to endure suffering. We will meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will and we will still love you.... But be assured that we'll wear you down by our capacity to suffer, and one day we will win our freedom. We will not only win freedom for ourselves; we will appeal to your heart and conscience that we will win you in the process, and our victory will be a double victory.
Kevin Craigie clearly invites us to look deep within ourselves and these systems around us.
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1) Kevin Craigie has been called to fight injustice and he does it well.
Any examples of his satisfied customers?
2) Kevin Craigie clearly invites us to look deep within ourselves and these systems around us.
He needs to start with himself before telling other people.
Funny issue this with me because this is the only board where I question guest postings.
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joanne u do sound like a bitter old woman my luv. @)(++(*
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Found this one on the inside time MAY edition. Pondering if we have kevin craigie right or mayby wrong.
If a man is called to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well. Kevin Craigie has been called to fight injustice and he does it well.
I've seen too much hate to want to hate, myself, and every time I see it, I say to myself, hate is too great a burden to bear. Somehow we must be able to stand up against our most bitter opponents and say: We shall match your capacity to inflict suffering by our capacity to endure suffering. We will meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will and we will still love you.... But be assured that we'll wear you down by our capacity to suffer, and one day we will win our freedom. We will not only win freedom for ourselves; we will appeal to your heart and conscience that we will win you in the process, and our victory will be a double victory.
Kevin Craigie clearly invites us to look deep within ourselves and these systems around us.
Hmm...?? (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/c024.gif)
Sounds suspicious to me??
And how would you know this Esther?? 8-)(--)
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You just know it's either him or one of his crew.
The minute a guest account appears on this board it eith KC trolling, flaming or spamming or Steph having a laugh, on this occasion it's not the latter.
Shouldn't you be at work today MR C?
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You just know it's either him or one of his crew.
The minute a guest account appears on this board it eith KC trolling, flaming or spamming or Steph having a laugh, on this occasion it's not the latter.
Shouldn't you be at work today MR C?
Lunch break. @)(++(*
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1000's in prison?
At 1000, thats 1 a week for 20 years, with 2 weeks off per year. Thats a lot of cases for one person considering each case would take more than a week.
Then theres all the conferences, meetings and inside times articles whilst also sorting his own appeal out.
I'm writing to the queen, the man needs a knighthood. @)(++(*
Whatever vitimins he takes, I need some! @)(++(*
His work rate is faster that a computer!
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1000's in prison?
At 1000, thats 1 a week for 20 years, with 2 weeks off per year. Thats a lot of cases for one person considering each case would take more than a week.
Then theres all the conferences, meetings and inside times articles whilst also sorting his own appeal out.
I'm writing to the queen, the man needs a knighthood. @)(++(*
Whatever vitimins he takes, I need some! @)(++(*
His work rate is faster that a computer!
Vitamins can give you verbal diarrhoea! 8)-)))
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God bless you all. My husband and I would like to take this splendid occasion to congratulate you all on the Jubilee.We hope u recover in good time.
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The jubilee has been and gone but thanks for the sentiments!
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joanne ur quite clearly a xxxxxxx nasty individual with individual issues. While thousands read and psychaitric patients five support, your clearly FRIAR TUCK. Have u washed ur pussy lately ? need it luv. u have been reported to M15 and the benefits people luv. Arthritis of the brain is no excuse luv. what ur beauty secrets ?
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joanne ur quite clearly a xxxxxxx nasty individual with individual issues. While thousands read and psychaitric patients five support, your clearly FRIAR TUCK. Have u washed ur pussy lately ? need it luv. u have been reported to M15 and the benefits people luv. Arthritis of the brain is no excuse luv. what ur beauty secrets ?
dee/Esther You are soooooooooooo transparent. M15 indeed? @)(++(*
Joanne, if you want that removed just say.
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Joanne, are you being a threat to National security again? ?8)@)-)
Go and sit on the naughty step. Go on. You can come back when M15 have given you a good talking to. Tsk tsk.
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It's ok John.
If thats the best he can do then leave it up for public enjoyment. We all need a good laugh @)(++(*
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I beg ur pardon. i work five days a week, and I work at the weekends evenings in the pub. i serve all the punters and got a silver star last moth for employee of month.joanne answer the question and put your beauty secrets up ? u can share u know.
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Refer to your earlier post, you don't need an answer do you? You're either right or wrong judging by what you think you know 8(0(*
I think you really need to be sure about who you're posting to and about before you make threats and assumptions otherwise you're risk of upsetting the wrong people aren't you? You might want a rethink.
And no they don't actually because I don't live in a council house so what are they going to do?
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xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx frae Sxxxxxx ? if so I mind the cops xxxxxxxx you. I mind my sister in law reporting ye to the cops and me Mam. Our Frank also reported ye luv. Ye live in xxxxxxxxxxx road xxxxxxxxxx luv/ xxxx. cant fool me me luv
You have the most schizophrenic posting style I've ever seen. Anyone would be forgiven for thinking you were going out of your way to appear to be someone other than who you really are.
I've changed my mind, lets get rid of guests altogether. This is bloody annoying.
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I'm suprised Jane Mansfield, Liz Taylor and Marilyn Monroe havne't all come out to help you @)(++(*
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If you want to attack someone, you should really use the truth instead of trying to defame someone considering you're on a life licence, I suggest you stop now.
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Maybe John should suspend guests posting for a while!
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You have the most schizophrenic posting style I've ever seen. Anyone would be forgiven for thinking you were going out of your way to appear to be someone other than who you really are.
I've changed my mind, lets get rid of guests altogether. This is bloody annoying.
This is Kevin Craigie again and some people wonder why this guy gets a hard time.
What a nutter!
Offending IP 80.192.49.138
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Yeah, I guessed it was him from the weird Scots/Sheffield dialect he's got going on there.
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I just hope no-one believed any of it because none of it was true. 8(8-))
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Everything about him says weird or is that weirdo. (Definition of weirdo 1. A person regarded as being very strange or eccentric. 2. A deranged, potentially dangerous person.) @)(++(*
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I just hope no-one believed any of it because none of it was true. 8(8-))
Certainly not Joanne, he is pushing it now though.
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This is Kevin Craigie again and some people wonder why this guy gets a hard time.
What a nutter!
Offending IP 80.192.49.138
might be wrong but traced this IP to Yorkshire...Thought KC was in London?
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This is Kevin Craigie again and some people wonder why this guy gets a hard time.
What a nutter!
Offending IP 80.192.49.138
might be wrong but traced this IP to Yorkshire...Thought KC was in London?
He lives in Camden.
We have established that he sometimes uses a web proxy service called hidemyass.com which allows you to appear to be just about anywhere in the world.
http://www.hidemyass.com/
Check the IP out here... http://www.findip-address.com/
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LOL. When I looked it up earlier it said it was in Bradford!
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sorry for the misinformation Provider based Yorks
IP Geo London:
80.192.49.138
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UK ENGLAND
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WOKING -
ISP Time Zone
VIRGIN MEDIA LIMITED +00:00
Latitude Longitude
51.31681 -0.55908
IP Address Labs
IP Address
80.192.49.138
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GB London, City of
City Postal Code
London -
ISP Area Code
Virgin Media -
Latitude Longitude
51.5142 -0.0931
Read more: http://www.whatismyip.com/tools/ip-address-lookup.asp#ixzz1z7qx22RJ
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LOL. When I looked it up earlier it said it was in Bradford!
Provider: Bradford postal address
IP :London
Seeing if any of the techies are around to give a more accurate location /address
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Ah, interesting. Bradford is Virgin Media, isn't it?
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LOL. When I looked it up earlier it said it was in Bradford!
Yes, that particular IP is provided through Telewest in Bradford.
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Speculation really regarding the IP.Vile comments from him and his supporters!
Collectively we could write a "Craigie Rotter"series of books:
Craigie Rotter and his Goblet of poison
Craigie Rotter the Sourcerer and his phone
Later for him......kmt
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Speculation really regarding the IP.Vile comments from him and his supporters!
Collectively we could write a "Craigie Rotter"series of books:
Craigie Rotter and his Goblet of poison
Craigie Rotter the Sourcerer and his phone
Later for him......kmt
Be on your guard peeps cause tis friday and certain nuisances have the day of today.
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It's ok, he only attacks me, so I hope the gestapo are ready for mass removing. I seem to lead an amazing life, of which I know nothing about.
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It's ok, he only attacks me, so I hope the gestapo are ready for mass removing. I seem to lead an amazing life, of which I know nothing about.
LOL. I hate it when my actual life is more boring than the one people are gossiping about! @)(++(*
Don't worry, though, Joanne - you've got his number now, the worst he can do is chuck insults around on a forum.
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Its been pleasent today on the forum, I hope it lasts. Peteats and Agent A haven't been posting I hope they're OK.
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Its been pleasent today on the forum, I hope it lasts. Peteats and Agent A haven't been posting I hope they're OK.
Morning Joanne ,
I'm still about , just got my Magnifying glass out as it seems my work is never done , as one con artist is exposed, another pops up 8)-)))
I hope everyone is OK, and i will check in again shortly....on a good note it seems Kevin Craigie and his altered egos are keeping their heads very close to the ground ...but no doubt , as we all know he will rear himself again in yet another guise ...but it will never get away with what he has done 8(0(*
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Its been pleasent today on the forum, I hope it lasts. Peteats and Agent A haven't been posting I hope they're OK.
Morning Joanne ,
I'm still about , just got my Magnifying glass out as it seems my work is never done , as one con artist is exposed, another pops up 8)-)))
I hope everyone is OK, and i will check in again shortly....on a good note it seems Kevin Craigie and his altered egos are keeping their heads very close to the ground ...but no doubt , as we all know he will rear himself again in yet another guise ...but it will never get away with what he has done 8(0(*
He has taken down Craigie's Angels and his website is inaccessible so looks like he has much to hide. I suggest we are ever vigilent for any signs of this trouble maker.
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Yes I agree David.
I think he'll let things cool down for a few days to refuel and then return.
I hope if he chooses to come back, he does so in a civil manner and refrains from posting lies and so on.
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Its been pleasent today on the forum, I hope it lasts. Peteats and Agent A haven't been posting I hope they're OK.
Morning Joanne ,
I'm still about , just got my Magnifying glass out as it seems my work is never done , as one con artist is exposed, another pops up 8)-)))
I hope everyone is OK, and i will check in again shortly....on a good note it seems Kevin Craigie and his altered egos are keeping their heads very close to the ground ...but no doubt , as we all know he will rear himself again in yet another guise ...but it will never get away with what he has done 8(0(*
AgentA I totally agree with you nasty people everywhere
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I've just had a word with my friend (yes I have one!), he say's there is no way to hide you're IP address, it might be hidden to the person who wants it hidden (they can't see it) but it's always traceable.
Unfortunately there isn't an antidote prgram to hidemyass or any other like for like program, so try as you might, you ainn't going to hide!
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I've just had a word with my friend (yes I have one!), he say's there is no way to hide you're IP address, it might be hidden to the person who wants it hidden (they can't see it) but it's always traceable.
Unfortunately there isn't an antidote prgram to hidemyass or any other like for like program, so try as you might, you ainn't going to hide!
Yes its always traceable but unfortunately you require a warrant to get the service providers to cooperate.
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Yep, very true.
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No tenner yet, could do with it, want to unlock my mobile and put it on another network!
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No tenner yet, could do with it, want to unlock my mobile and put it on another network!
it just might have got lost in the post? Doubt it though; probably misplaced amongst Craigie Rotters manuscript @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I know the feeling, the fridge is empty, No Grolsch. Still haven't received the dosh i was promised, bet the postie has had it 8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-))).
Well it seems the Disposable little man has crawled back under his rock.
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Oh yeah-I forgot, I'll post it..............
Nice yo see you back Peteats 8((()*/
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I was sure he'd reappear before now 8-)(--)
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I was sure he'd reappear before now 8-)(--)
slithered under a rock to crawl out of old skin. Elaphe
carinata (craigienata) @)(++(* @)(++(*
He will be back,guess is,in what guise??
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I was sure he'd reappear before now 8-)(--)
slithered under a rock to crawl out of old skin. Elaphe
carinata (craigienata) @)(++(* @)(++(*
He will be back,guess is,in what guise??
I am sure it will be a purrrr fect one @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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He's been very quiet has Kevin-good.
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Justice on Appeal & it's trustees at the time (Darren Bolger, Brian Bolger & Carol Johnson) never paid staff under the charity Justice on Appeal and therefore was taken to court from Sept 2010. Three staff received a court judgment for unpaid wages along with other offences in Feb 2011 and suddenly JA had three new trustees appointed.
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That would be about the time I got involved with it when I understood Darren Bolger had left the charity. I'd have said it was about April but I can't quite remember but I thought it was after my birthday.
This turned out to be a lie and I didn't know that I was down on paper as anything until September and even then (and now) I never actually filled any forms in or signed anything. Would you have the details of the people who went to court at all or could they join the site as I'd love to hear their side of things as I would the other trustee because I don't know if she was aware of what was going on.
I'd also like to know how many prisoners were contacted by so called JOA about their cases because I never got to the bottom of that, I'm hoping there will be no repercussions from me being named on something, the only thing I ever suggested was it's closure because it had already got a bad name by the time I got involved and we never actually did anything for anyone (or ourselves) at all, it was pointless.
Is there anything else you can shed light on about him please? If you don't want to post it then please pm me.
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Justice on Appeal & it's trustees at the time (Darren Bolger, Brian Bolger & Carol Johnson) never paid staff under the charity Justice on Appeal and therefore was taken to court from Sept 2010. Three staff received a court judgment for unpaid wages along with other offences in Feb 2011 and suddenly JA had three new trustees appointed.
According to records I found on a Google search, Darren Bolger was a trustee when Kevin Craigie called himself the Managing Director of Justice on Appeal.
Joanne. Can you answer this for me please. I know that Bolger was tried and convicted for fraud when he was operating as a builder but was he ever prosecuted for his involvement with JOA?
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Justice on Appeal & it's trustees at the time (Darren Bolger, Brian Bolger & Carol Johnson) never paid staff under the charity Justice on Appeal and therefore was taken to court from Sept 2010. Three staff received a court judgment for unpaid wages along with other offences in Feb 2011 and suddenly JA had three new trustees appointed.
It must be possible to get a hold of this Judgement so that it can be posted. Do we know which Court dealt with the case?
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London Central 18th March 2011 (not Feb as I intially thought).
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3 x seperate claims & judgments.
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David,
I have no idea. I was told by Kevin (I called him this particular day) that Darren had gone to Kevin's when he lived at Derby that he'd had a 'successful' meeting with Darren and had reach agreement for Kevin to take over but because Darren was still there he asked me to call him back which I did and Kevin told me he didn't like Darren and that he was corrupt and devious. I thought Darren had left the charity and Kevin had assumed position of JOA's leader. I didn't know who the other trustees were, I didn't realise he'd filled any paperwork out about it and I don't know if JOA actually took any cases on.
Nothing was mentioned about the history of JOA and even in 2011, Kevin was on about moving to London and it's be better for him because it'd be easier for him to get funding because he could do face to face meetings but in the meantime he asked me if I could think of anyone to ask, so I sent him a list of people who he might contact, I don't know if he did but no funding was forthcoming (none that I was aware of).
The next time JOA was mentioned was when I became aware that people in prisons were receiving mail from JOA asking if they wanted us to represent them. I don't know who sent the letters and I asked one of my prisoner to send a copy but he hadn't kept it because he'd decided to stick with JENGbA which I didn't question because it was his choice, however later he told me about the reputation JOA had at which time I suggested the problems tied to it were insurmountable and it'd be better being closed down.
It was closed, at which time I started to question Kevins integrity and try to get answers about him to at which point people started to tell me what he was like.
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http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com/files/Note%20to%20the%20Court%20under%20Prosecution%20of%20Offences%20Act%201985%20s.%206.pdf
http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/wlt/content/rogue-builder-jailed-over-%C2%A3250000-con-struction-works
There's a couple of links if they're any use.
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http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com/files/Note%20to%20the%20Court%20under%20Prosecution%20of%20Offences%20Act%201985%20s.%206.pdf
http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/wlt/content/rogue-builder-jailed-over-%C2%A3250000-con-struction-works
There's a couple of links if they're any use.
I know about the builder fraud but has there been any investigation into improprieties at Justice on Appeal yet?
Has Craigie's Angels been deactivated peeps?
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I've tried looking for Craigies Angels and Kevin Craigie on facebook and cannot find either. I don't know why and I've tried using an account I set up for my Granddad.
I don't know about the web site he was setting up with Karen Torley.
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I've tried looking for Craigies Angels and Kevin Craigie on facebook and cannot find either. I don't know why and I've tried using an account I set up for my Granddad.
I don't know about the web site he was setting up with Karen Torley.
You mean this one... http://kevincraigie.webs.com/
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http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com/files/Note%20to%20the%20Court%20under%20Prosecution%20of%20Offences%20Act%201985%20s.%206.pdf
http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/wlt/content/rogue-builder-jailed-over-%C2%A3250000-con-struction-works
There's a couple of links if they're any use.
GIOVANNI DI STEFANO. Is this the same dodgy lawyer who used to act for Jeremy Bamber?
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They call him 'The Devils Advocate', he generally acts for anyone who's bad ass. I think he acted for Nicholas Van Hoogstraten and at one bit it looked doubtful he was even a qualified lawyer. I think his biggest case was John 'Goldfinger' Palmer.
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When I read over this, I just think 'Oh dear God, why were you so ****ing stupid and didn't ask any questions?', probably because I wasn't expecting to be ripped off at the time and I though he was ok, so another lesson learnt.
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When I read over this, I just think 'Oh dear God, why were you so ****ing stupid and didn't ask any questions?', probably because I wasn't expecting to be ripped off at the time and I though he was ok, so another lesson learnt.
You weren't to know that your name was put forward as a trustee Joanne. What Kevin Craigie did was illegal and amounted to deception and fraud.
I have started a new thread on which you can see the charity return for yourself with your name on it as a Trustee.
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http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com/downloads/bolger/BOLGER.rtf
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hmm a little off topic,this guy GIOVANNI DI STEFANO......is recommended by Ian Hitchings that writes the true crime blog.Anyone have any details re:MO of Ian Hitchings ?
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When I read over this, I just think 'Oh dear God, why were you so ****ing stupid and didn't ask any questions?', probably because I wasn't expecting to be ripped off at the time and I though he was ok, so another lesson learnt.
You weren't to know that your name was put forward as a trustee Joanne. What Kevin Craigie did was illegal and amounted to deception and fraud.
I have started a new thread on which you can see the charity return for yourself with your name on it as a Trustee.
I'm just wondering, the name is mine (and probably some other people's too), the DOB isn't correct and neither is the address, so can anything be linked directly to me?
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Joanne you wasn't to know just what a deviate you was dealing with.Though I am somewhat dismayed that it took you so long to find out,considering there were those close by who knew just how vile Kevin is.
Better late than never...... @)(++(*
Kevin is the one guilty of fraud and deception.
I am left wondering if Kevin using the guise of a female acting through Jengba set up the meeting in Putney for a very vulnerable woman and whether he was one of the 2 suited men that greeted her????Hmmmmmm and has she gone on to pass over any cash??
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There were things that didn't add up, like I couldn't find anything about his crime and he never said anything, however I should have asked, yet the people who I write to have loads of stuff online about them.
One person warned me about his drinking but I didn't believe them, I have apologised to them. it's 'odd' that once I did start asking people about him, after I was introduced to someone else, everyone came out saying the same stuff about him. I think there are some people who would rather stay friends with him than face his 'wrath'. I don't/didn't particularly want to have a big gun fight with him but I'm not prepared to put up with him and his lies and I don't want him as a friend, I'd sooner not have anyone than friends like him!
I think having joined here and read about him and listened to other people, nothing would suprise me with him anymore, I think he will go to any length possible to get the result he wants and I'm sure there are at least 2 people he has taken large sums of money from and plenty of others he has made false promises too, telling them he will help with their families cases and doing nothing which in my mind is as bad a robbing them because they're probably emotionally and mentally drained too. He does things in a manner that if you went to the police, they wouldn't be able to help and that bad, bad, bad.
I think it comes to something when another lifer says he gives them a bad name @)(++(*
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I was at a meeting where Craigie Rotter turned up late.He did tell me that one woman attended specifically to meet up with him re:getting justice for her son.This same woman opened her bag and brought out a brown envelope of cash.Due to his arrival only minutes before meeting ended he had no time to speak with this woman.In a phone call the day after he excitedly said did you see the money she was waiving around,she came specifically to meet me but I didn't get time to speak to her,but in any case it is against my nature to take money from anyone.
Yeah right!!!Well maybe not in public @)(++(*
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You have nothing to be concerned about Joanne. You didn't ask to be a Trustee or a member of the Justice on Appeal administration. It is obvious from the incorrect d.o.b and address info that they have been falsified in order to deceive. The bank account is of particular interest and I think we should be looking into that as it usually takes two signatories to authorise any transaction on a charity organisations account.
Question is, were trustee signatures forged?
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EMAIL RECEIVED FROM THE CHARITY'S COMMISSION... Oh Oh..... Mr. Chris Dooley (commisions investigations officer) it was clear that you do not know how to do your job !!!
REFER BELOW --------- *cut & paste from my original email.
CHARTITYS COMMISSION - REVIEW FINDINGS 3/11/2010 - JUSTICE ON APPEAL 1138242 CC:03650114
We have now reviewed our case to-date; below are the issues you have raised together with our consideration of each one:
Employment Tribunal
Please provide us with the outcome of your individual case, once known.
Other Tribunal Cases
You suggest these are complete, but it is not clear. Is it possible for the other individuals, whose cases have been concluded, to send us copies of judgement/outcomes of their Tribunals?It is not for us to comment on issues regarding Employment Tribunals and unpaid wages, but, we will consider the outcomes of the Employment Tribunals to see if these highlight any regulatory concerns for the Charity commission.
Conflict of interest
Because of a Trustee's involvement in building companies, which you speculate may be used as intended place of employment for rehabilitated prisoners; you have not suggested that this is actually happening, therefore, this is just speculation.We can not act upon unsubstantiated allegations or speculation; therefore, we will not be taking this further.
Other charities
You have said that Darren Bolger has set up other charities, and, you have concerns about this.We have checked our records and Darren Bolger is not listed as a Trustee for any other charities - you have not presented evidence of links to other charities.
We do not propose to pursue this further as there are no issues for the Charity Commission.
Mobile Phone contracts in employees name and bills unpaid
This is not a matter for the Charity Commission; this is for the employee to pursue.
Attempts to actively “steal” beneficiaries from another charity/organisation
We have had other complaints about this. We have advised the complainants that it is for the charity(s)/organisation(s) to take forward / take professional advice if necessary and, report to police if criminality is suspected.
Funds used for personal use
These are unsubstantiated allegations; therefore, we can not become involved where there is no detail / no evidence.I hope this clarifies our regulatory position.
Yours sincerely,
Chris Dooley Mr. Chris Dooley
Assessment Officer 0151 703 1694
chris.dooley@charitycommission.gsi.gov.uk
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Notice Darren Bolger gets investigated.... then BAM WHAM WHAM.... new trustees have been appointed !! Then.... charirty is closed after Darren Bolger goes to jail *just a thought*
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It was shut down because it had a bad name, it wasn't due to Darren Bolger because I didn't even know he was involved, what I knew was nobody trusted the charity, it never did anything, it had no income and nobody wanted to touch it with a barge pole. It was pointless, then letters started being sent to people from JOA, even though I didn't send them and to my knowledge nor did Kevin but he might have done.
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Darren sent the letters however no cases were reviewed because he was to busy scamming up test pieces to give to potential case reviewers from his dodgy employment advertisement. This was another scam / ploy to get a FREE Case Review for his brother Jason Bolger as he or his family could not afford the court cost.
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After September/October 2010, who knows how this charity was run. This is for you guys to comment on !
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EMAIL RECEIVED FROM THE CHARITY'S COMMISSION... Oh Oh..... Mr. Chris Dooley (commisions investigations officer) it was clear that you do not know how to do your job !!!
REFER BELOW --------- *cut & paste from my original email.
CHARTITYS COMMISSION - REVIEW FINDINGS 3/11/2010 - JUSTICE ON APPEAL 1138242 CC:0365011?4
We have now reviewed our case to-date; below are the issues you have raised together with our consideration of each one:
Employment Tribunal
Please provide us with the outcome of your individual case, once known.
Other Tribunal Cases
You suggest these are complete, but it is not clear. Is it possible for the other individuals, whose cases have been concluded, to send us copies of judgement/outcomes of their Tribunals?It is not for us to comment on issues regarding Employment Tribunals and unpaid wages, but, we will consider the outcomes of the Employment Tribunals to see if these highlight any regulatory concerns for the Charity commission.
Conflict of interest
Because of a Trustee's involvement in building companies, which you speculate may be used as intended place of employment for rehabilitated prisoners; you have not suggested that this is actually happening, therefore, this is just speculation.We can not act upon unsubstantiated allegations or speculation; therefore, we will not be taking this further.
Other charities
You have said that Darren Bolger has set up other charities, and, you have concerns about this.We have checked our records and Darren Bolger is not listed as a Trustee for any other charities - you have not presented evidence of links to other charities.
We do not propose to pursue this further as there are no issues for the Charity Commission.
Mobile Phone contracts in employees name and bills unpaid
This is not a matter for the Charity Commission; this is for the employee to pursue.
Attempts to actively ?steal? beneficiaries from another charity/organisation
We have had other complaints about this. We have advised the complainants that it is for the charity(s)/organisation(s) to take forward / take professional advice if necessary and, report to police if criminality is suspected.
Funds used for personal use
These are unsubstantiated allegations; therefore, we can not become involved where there is no detail / no evidence.I hope this clarifies our regulatory position.
Yours sincerely,
Chris Dooley Mr. Chris Dooley
Assessment Officer 0151 703 1694
chris.dooley@charitycommission.gsi.gov.uk
That's very interesting Ripper. Do you have dates for the response from the Charity Regulator?
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It is clear you over looked the date specified in the above .... REVIEW FINDINGS (closing) 3/11/2010 ... Chris Dooley. Commission Review gave Justice on Appeal `a clean bill of health' to may peoples dismay..... unfortunatley it appears Chris Dooleys email no longer exists ..... chris.dooley@charitycommission.gsi.gov.uk.
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It is clear you over looked the date specified in the above .... REVIEW FINDINGS (closing) 3/11/2010 ... Chris Dooley. Commission Review gave Justice on Appeal `a clean bill of health' to may peoples dismay..... unfortunatley it appears Chris Dooleys email no longer exists ..... chris.dooley@charitycommission.gsi.gov.uk.
Silly me.....so I did. Sorry Ripper been one of those days.... 8-)(--)
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Forgiven.
Q. So what is Kevin Craigie guilty of as it appears to me he has been in alliance with a Darren Bolger who orh=ginal set up this fraudulent organisation.
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Is there ANOTHER investigation going on?
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Forgiven.
Q. So what is Kevin Craigie guilty of as it appears to me he has been in alliance with a Darren Bolger who orh=ginal set up this fraudulent organisation.
Reading through the various posts it appears to me that there have been no consequences to the operation of that sham organisation. Am I right in saying that there probably hasn't even been a police investigation into these goings on?
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Around that time Kevin suspected Mr Darren Bolger was unstable.He had read the letters which he had sent to Jengba and he told me that he sounded erratic. He had only left Jengba a few months previously and wanted to do something to assist people saying they were actually not guilty. When Mr Darren Bolger asked Kevin to accept Justice on Appeal he agreed. There is a slight twist in the story.Kevin intended closing it down BEFORE he accepted it. Reason being he wanted to protect the cases, which he did do. I also do know that no committee was ever an absolute as Kevin wanted to meet everyone interested face to face to discuss what they could all do as a team together.I also know that Kevin put up peoples names on the commisipon site as the annual data was needed and it was a new area. There was no paperwork ever involved as it had not reached that stage.He used the putney approach address so people were protected from having private detail in the public domain.He hasnt done antything untoward as some people are suggesting. I know this as I was on that committee although it never managed to do what Kevin and other people wanted and that was to do something for miscarriages of justice. he also tried to gain the support of Rolls Royce cars in derby and derby crown china and also loads of other big organisations.None wanted to help asnd that is understandable as there are loads of other causes out there like save the children and oxfam. Anyway, there is my tuppenceworth.
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So adding people's names to paperwork without permission and making addresses up, then signing a declaration saying all the information is true isn't deceptive then?
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Around that time Kevin suspected Mr Darren Bolger was unstable.He had read the letters which he had sent to Jengba and he told me that he sounded erratic. He had only left Jengba a few months previously and wanted to do something to assist people saying they were actually not guilty. When Mr Darren Bolger asked Kevin to accept Justice on Appeal he agreed. There is a slight twist in the story.Kevin intended closing it down BEFORE he accepted it. Reason being he wanted to protect the cases, which he did do. I also do know that no committee was ever an absolute as Kevin wanted to meet everyone interested face to face to discuss what they could all do as a team together.I also know that Kevin put up peoples names on the commisipon site as the annual data was needed and it was a new area. There was no paperwork ever involved as it had not reached that stage.He used the putney approach address so people were protected from having private detail in the public domain.He hasnt done antything untoward as some people are suggesting. I know this as I was on that committee although it never managed to do what Kevin and other people wanted and that was to do something for miscarriages of justice. he also tried to gain the support of Rolls Royce cars in derby and derby crown china and also loads of other big organisations.None wanted to help asnd that is understandable as there are loads of other causes out there like save the children and oxfam. Anyway, there is my tuppenceworth.
So which Trustees names went on the bank account Helena? 8(0(*
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there were no bank accounts. Mr Darren Bolgers bank accounts remained with him. We never got that far. We decided in the end. Alltogether we chose to close it down for a lot of reasons. Only three of us made that decision. NO ONE else was consulted although they may state otherwise. No ones name went anywhere without that persons cosent
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So, that contradicts your earlier post where you said that Kevin had already taken the decision to close it down before he took over and then 3 people made the decision.
Can I ask which trustee you are please? I ask because on the other thread about JOA, there isn't a Helena on the trustee's list.
I never gave consent for my name to be put on papers, if I had, I'd have insisted on the correct details being used becaue otherwise it akin to fraud, so where you got that from I don't know.
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I am not in the habit of contradicting myself and don't intend starting now. I was a trustee and we collectively intended changing the name once it was up and running. There has never been any fraud involved as you suggest Joanne. I also remember you agreeing to be the prospective treasury. I was consulted before you were invited. I gave my probationary approval at the time. We anted to give you the opportunity of having direction in your life, something to wake up for in the morning. I was the assistant Director as I had the experience and although it was not with organisations, it was considered valid. Your name went on the commission website as you were involved, and you gave permission Joanne. I have the messages confirming Joanne. The address was modified to protect people from being public.The internet attracts a wide range of people...not all of them genuine caring people I may add. Anyway, must go now as I have an early shift in the morning.
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Don't patronise me. At the time I had plenty of reason to get up in the morning, I looked after my Granddad.
You haven't got mail stating anything. You have mail from September about JOA but nothing before.
I'd suggest you get your own house inorder before starting on mine not that I need your help.
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CLARITY.
Kevin Craigie did not leave Jengba he was ousted.This was partially due to his vile public attack on members on the Jengba forum including the founder Gloria Morrison.
Kevin Craigie had previously convinced GM and Jengba commitee that Darren Bolger was an M15 agent.
At the same time,regardless of his public display of mistrust for JOA, Kevin Craigie being a master of duplicity was liaising with Darren Bolger.
8-)(--) JOA was not folded immediately Kevin Craigie accepted the position.The Putney address was no longer a valid address for JOA several weeks prior to KC's arrival.Etc etc etc
GET A GRIP HELENA you sounding like Craigie Rotter.
Q. still remains who set up the meet with JOA for a vulnerable woman using Jengba PO Box address????
Of course it might well have been Craigie Rotter in collusion with Darren Bolger. 8(0(* At the same time he was pubbblicly denouncing JOA and Darren BBolger. You couldn't make it up! 8@??)(
Get a grip Helena
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You have all obviously worked it out by now that the creep Helena or Deena or whatever false name is being used tonight is in fact Kevin Craigie who has crept out of his burrow in Primrose Gardens to annoy everyone.
As usual he cannot help himself
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I hate this when he's posting ......... about other people who don't deserve it, it's not on. Kevin-John went out on a limb to help you when you joined and he was supportive of you but as usual you turned on him as you do other people.
I'm really sick of you posting rubbish about people and geerally being patronising.
Yes, I looked after Eric, yes there was an issue between my Dad and I about Eric's money. The police didn't entertain the complaint because he told me when he was ok to spend his money and nor did anyone else entertain it. The only advice I was given was to save receipts. When Eric died, I paid for the funeral, nobody lost anything, so before you go off on the money tangent, you might want to get a very big mirror. I was down in the eyes of the law as his carer. You see when I do thing, it's legit and if you like I will publically post all the pm's on f/b between us, I have nothing to hide.
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I hate this when he's posting ......... about other people who don't deserve it, it's not on. Kevin-John went out on a limb to help you when you joined and he was supportive of you but as usual you turned on him as you do other people.
I'm really sick of you posting rubbish about people and generally being patronising.
Yes, I looked after Eric, yes there was an issue between my Dad and I about Eric's money. The police didn't entertain the complaint because he told me when he was ok to spend his money and nor did anyone else entertain it. The only advice I was given was to save receipts. When Eric died, I paid for the funeral, nobody lost anything, so before you go off on the money tangent, you might want to get a very big mirror. I was down in the eyes of the law as his carer. You see when I do thing, it's legit and if you like I will publicly post all the pm's on f/b between us, I have nothing to hide.
I can empathise with you here Joanne. The very same thing happened with me and my late aunt. Everybody knew what the situation was when she was alive, my aunt was my dearest friend and she treated me accordingly. She wanted to give me the benefit of my inheritance before she was too old and frail to enjoy it with me and my three sons yet some people turned this into an impropriety after her premature death. She would have been mortified if she had known what strangers would later start accusing me of.
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It's payday innit, he'll be on halves of courage down the boozer @)(++(*
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It's payday innit, he'll be on halves of courage down the boozer @)(++(*
He's been very quiet lately, undoubtedly he has had a warning but maybe it's beginning to wear off. As a by note, I intend visiting London in the near future and might just call round.
...to the HIV CAB centre.
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Poor people, like HIV/AIDS isn't horrible enough.
You know what, i'd sell everything and walk the street naked to get Eric back, we saw each other daily for 21 and odd years and lived within walking distance of each other even though I moved about 4 times and he moved once. I don't think the public would enjoy it and the kids would be frightened!
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Please Joanne you do not need to justify anything......Mud slinging Helena will always find some shish to throw as he manufactures it out of his facial orifice.
John,when it comes to money,some people will do and say anything.
In my family there was a situation where 1 of the beneficiaries didn't want any of the monies........guess who was the first at the bank to cash their cheque!
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Hey guys
New to this thread. I was conned out of a lot of money by Mr D Bolger during my time at JOA. It was an absolute shambles and I wanted to ask has the charity been officially wound up/closed.
Do we know the whereabouts of Mr Bolger?
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Hey guys
New to this thread. I was conned out of a lot of money by Mr D Bolger during my time at JOA. It was an absolute shambles and I wanted to ask has the charity been officially wound up/closed.
Do we know the whereabouts of Mr Bolger?
You are quite entitled to remain anonymous but is there any further information you can give in relation to this apparent fraud?
You may be interested in this article about Darren Bolger.
Builder found guilty of defrauding local residents (http://content.met.police.uk/News/Builder-found-guilty-of-defrauding-local-residents/1400008180757/1257246745756)
To answer your questions:
The charity has been wound up and Mr Bolger sentenced to 3 years free board and lodgings.
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HMP Ford.
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Hi John
I am aware that he is serving time for building fraud. During my time at JoA I was aware that he had taken money from prisoners in order to 'assist' them and did no such thing, which is why I left. I was left without any wages, debts owing to my time at JoA and a high court judgement against Mr Bolger for a considerable sum.
I am unable to recover anything at the moment so I am seeing if there is an an angle here.
Is the charity officially wound up?
Regards
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Hi John
I am aware that he is serving time for building fraud. During my time at JoA I was aware that he had taken money from prisoners in order to 'assist' them and did no such thing, which is why I left. I was left without any wages, debts owing to my time at JoA and a high court judgement against Mr Bolger for a considerable sum.
I am unable to recover anything at the moment so I am seeing if there is an an angle here.
Is the charity officially wound up?
Regards
The charity was taken over by Kevin Craigie but removed from the Charity Commission on 3rd February 2012.
Here is the official proof you need.
http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/RemovedCharityMain.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1138242&SubsidiaryNumber=0
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Can you provide information as to what you lost while maintaining your anonymity?
For example, when was it that you gave this money? >@@(*&)
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Months of unpaid wages, contracts for telephones, travel etc.
Recovery has proved unfruitful. Unpaid judgement during my time at JoA.
This was at the Easter of 2011.
Regards
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http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/wlt/content/rogue-builder-jailed-over-%C2%A3250000-con-struction-works
Detective Sergeant Richard Gilbert from Hammersmith and Fulham CID said: “This was a complicated investigation involving many victims and culminating in a fourteen week trial. I am pleased that the defendant has been found guilty of defrauding four families of almost a quarter of a million pounds. Hammersmith and Fulham Payback Unit will continue investigations into his finances to try to secure compensation for the victims. “
That might be the route to take.
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I did contact Sarg Angela Mills but she said that she was unable to trace any proceeds (wasted on lavish lifestyle) and that the money was only to compensate people who had been defrauded during the building work.
was the charity wound up officially?
cheers
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Yes it was wound up, it no longer exists.
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Contact me on justiceanon3@gmail.com
However, I am aware of who Carol and Brian are and I am neither of them.
Regards
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Thanks, I'm not sure I can help you on reflection unless it specifies that Justice on Appeal owes you the money. I should have put my brain into gear first.
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Contact me on justiceanon3@gmail.com
However, I am aware of who Carol and Brian are and I am neither of them.
Regards
Reading between the lines here it would appear that there has never been a police investigation into the goings on at the Justice on Appeal charity and that the prosecution related solely to the building fraud. Does anyone know if formal complaints have been made to police about the monies given to the charity? It would also be interesting to know who pocketed these funds, was it Bolger or Craigie because the former JoA treasurer appears to be unaware of any money being donated.
Does anyone know how many people gave money to this charity and who the woman was who handed over several thousand pounds to men in suits?
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Thats what needs to happen David but some of the people who handed money over don't want to get involved, I don't know if it's fear or embarrasment.
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Joanne,
Thanks for your reply - how do you mean unless it specifies that JoA owes me money?
There are two things for me:
1. Proving that the charity has wound up;
2. Getting money from Bolger.
Whether the charity continued is beyond me, however I am aware and have proof of Bolger's taking of money from prisoners.
What would the fear be of? Retribution?
Regards
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The Justice on Appeal charity no longer exists. Here is a copy of the official Charity Commission register.
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Contact me on justiceanon3@gmail.com
However, I am aware of who Carol and Brian are and I am neither of them.
Regards
I have e-mailed you.
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I think the men in suits were the bank 8(0(* if that makes sense.
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It is sick how these people get away with it.
Regards
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
is kevin cragie trying to get his conviction over turned on a technicality then. is kevin another adrian prout? he was there when this man was murdered. he did nothing to stop his co-defendent from murdering this man and by kevin telling the police when he was interviewed, he kicked the body to see if it moved, it suggests hes guilty and was rightfully found so by a jury.
did kevin cragie manipulate mark fuller? is that why he blamed fuller for everything and tried to play down his part. does anyone think kevin cragie was a lot more involved in all this?
Craigie was 20 at the time while Fuller was only 18 but Fuller appears to be the more aggressive of the two. It is interesting to note that Fuller served only 10 years for this horrendous murder while Craigie served 13.
Is that all a human life is worth??? 10 years??
why would kevin serve longer than mark fuller? that doesnt make any sense.
Because he went oh hunger strike and wouldn't admit his guilt. Fuller admitted his part from the outset and so was fast tracked to release.
so really then by claiming he is a miscarriage of justice, hes reverted back to his old ways and is once again in denial?
Wrong.Wrong.wrong. Try reading reading reading and more reading before commenting. The hunger strike actually did get a result..they went back to the Courts Appeal. Fuller did not admit from the start he alone was the killer....he said it was kevin craigie. Three years later he confessed to his probation officer. He got out early for co-operating with the nice Policemen who were a tad anxious at the prospect of kevin craigie proving he was not guilty nd thus exposing several nughty Policemen who had told lies and submitted false evidence. Two of them even retired early when the heat was turned up by Dame Barbara Mills who at the time was top dog at the CPS.
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I don't know why this topic is still up for discussion. There's nothing to debate, Craigie is guilty, it couldn't be much clearer. He obviously finds it very difficult to come to terms with what he has done. His behavior on these forums is quite disturbing to witness. However, I do get the impression that he is genuinely remorseful.
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I don't know why this topic is still up for discussion. There's nothing to debate, Craigie is guilty, it couldn't be much clearer. He obviously finds it very difficult to come to terms with what he has done. His behavior on these forums is quite disturbing to witness. However, I do get the impression that he is genuinely remorseful.
Thanks to the good Lord you are a dying species.
Kevin Craigie is most probably not guilty
When I met him in London he was a genuine and sincere person. You can't mask that persona.
His behaviour on forums ? Kevin Craigie does not do forums. He tried contributing once here then realised it was not what he was misled to believe that it was.
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I don't know why this topic is still up for discussion. There's nothing to debate, Craigie is guilty, it couldn't be much clearer. He obviously finds it very difficult to come to terms with what he has done. His behavior on these forums is quite disturbing to witness. However, I do get the impression that he is genuinely remorseful.
Thanks to the good Lord you are a dying species.
Kevin Craigie is most probably not guilty
When I met him in London he was a genuine and sincere person. You can't mask that persona.
His behaviour on forums ? Kevin Craigie does not do forums. He tried contributing once here then realised it was not what he was misled to believe that it was.
. What makes you think that you are better placed to judge than the jury, who heard all the evidence?
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I don't know why this topic is still up for discussion. There's nothing to debate, Craigie is guilty, it couldn't be much clearer. He obviously finds it very difficult to come to terms with what he has done. His behavior on these forums is quite disturbing to witness. However, I do get the impression that he is genuinely remorseful.
Thanks to the good Lord you are a dying species.
Kevin Craigie is most probably not guilty
When I met him in London he was a genuine and sincere person. You can't mask that persona.
His behaviour on forums ? Kevin Craigie does not do forums. He tried contributing once here then realised it was not what he was misled to believe that it was.
From what I recall, Kevin posted on here at great length. He also posted several chapters of his book.
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I am not better placed, nor claimed to be. However, having now read ALL the case files my conclusion is that he is not guilty. I also met him in London and months later in Manchester when we went there.Kevin Craigie spent over an hour discussing my brothers case with my wife and I. My brother then took the advice and got new lawyers to represent him.
The Jury? They wanted to acquitt Kevin Craigie and convict only Fuller. The Judge insisted they convict them both or acquitt them both. Then the Judge was minutes away from acquitting them when the Jury came back with a 10/2 verdict. Justice ? erm, not in my book it is not. Did you also know that Kevin Cragie was offered 8 yrs manslaughter if he pleaded guilty ?? This was within days of the trial starting. He refused, as any innocent man would do.
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I am not better placed, nor claimed to be. However, having now read ALL the case files my conclusion is that he is not guilty. I also met him in London and months later in Manchester when we went there.Kevin Craigie spent over an hour discussing my brothers case with my wife and I. My brother then took the advice and got new lawyers to represent him.
The Jury? They wanted to acquitt Kevin Craigie and convict only Fuller. The Judge insisted they convict them both or acquitt them both. Then the Judge was minutes away from acquitting them when the Jury came back with a 10/2 verdict. Justice ? erm, not in my book it is not. Did you also know that Kevin Cragie was offered 8 yrs manslaughter if he pleaded guilty ?? This was within days of the trial starting. He refused, as any innocent man would do.
You'll have to forgive me if I'm not completely au fait with this case, but Kevin left a dying man at the scene? And stole his car?
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I am not better placed, nor claimed to be. However, having now read ALL the case files my conclusion is that he is not guilty. I also met him in London and months later in Manchester when we went there.Kevin Craigie spent over an hour discussing my brothers case with my wife and I. My brother then took the advice and got new lawyers to represent him.
The Jury? They wanted to acquitt Kevin Craigie and convict only Fuller. The Judge insisted they convict them both or acquitt them both. Then the Judge was minutes away from acquitting them when the Jury came back with a 10/2 verdict. Justice ? erm, not in my book it is not. Did you also know that Kevin Cragie was offered 8 yrs manslaughter if he pleaded guilty ?? This was within days of the trial starting. He refused, as any innocent man would do.
Thanks for your reply Jason. I'm glad that you raised the point about the jury. Craigie claimed that they were in tears because they wanted to aquit him. I have so far been unable to find anything that verifies this claim.
Regarding the manslaughter offer, I wonder if his legal team advised him to accept. I would bet that they did.
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Fuller was waving the murder weapon above his head !! Fuller had already struck Kevin on the wrist. He had no choice but to get in the car, even though he asked Fuller to leave without him. His intention being to raise the alarm as soon as he was physically away from Fuller...which he did.
Dont believe everything the ill informed say
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Fuller was waving the murder weapon above his head !! Fuller had already struck Kevin on the wrist. He had no choice but to get in the car, even though he asked Fuller to leave without him. His intention being to raise the alarm as soon as he was physically away from Fuller...which he did.
Dont believe everything the ill informed say
And Kevin told you this?
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Fuller was waving the murder weapon above his head !! Fuller had already struck Kevin on the wrist. He had no choice but to get in the car, even though he asked Fuller to leave without him. His intention being to raise the alarm as soon as he was physically away from Fuller...which he did.
Dont believe everything the ill informed say
Who's to say that you've not been I'll informed? That's why I would suggest that the jury were best placed to judge. They not only hear Craigies defence but also the opposing view. When talking about the issues regarding the jury, what/who is your source for this information.
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Yes Sika the did advise him to accept.
Those solicitors who claimed to have been represeting him fled abroad after there offices were burnt to a crisp. Interpol were searching for them.
There were three crucial statements given by "William Smith" who was hiding from the Police in Scotland on a GBH charge. This Smith lived in the hostel alongside Kevin and Fuller. William Smith made three statements, only stating that they "conspired to rob queers" in the third statement. The Police
used him as a "witness" to back up their "Joint Enterprise"., which never existed. The other two statements vanished, and Kevins OWN legal team prompted him to return those crucial statements several times !!! He did not realise the significance until much later. The charge against William Smith was dropped in return for his services.
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It is stated in the CCRC submissions, grounds of appeal, and also letters sent by Kevin Craigie to his M.P, Home Secretary, the Queen and the C.P.S in the early 1990's.
(The Jury asked a second time to acquitt Kevin and convict Fuller. (Kevin Craigie as a consequence HAD NO TRIAL)
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Kevin told me this ? No, It is all in the case papers going back to 1990. All it takes is to focus the mind and a lot of reading and researching to get to the actual truth.
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Yes Sika the did advise him to accept.
Those solicitors who claimed to have been represeting him fled abroad after there offices were burnt to a crisp. Interpol were searching for them.
There were three crucial statements given by "William Smith" who was hiding from the Police in Scotland on a GBH charge. This Smith lived in the hostel alongside Kevin and Fuller. William Smith made three statements, only stating that they "conspired to rob queers" in the third statement. The Police
used him as a "witness" to back up their "Joint Enterprise"., which never existed. The other two statements vanished, and Kevins OWN legal team prompted him to return those crucial statements several times !!! He did not realise the significance until much later. The charge against William Smith was dropped in return for his services.
I'm not sure how crucial Smith's evidence would have been. I don't consider that their intentions were particularly relevant.
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They needed Smiths "evidene" to support their Joint Enterprise scenario for the prosecution. In the first two statements Smith stated he knew nothing. In the Police cells, waiting to be hauled back to Scotland, its then incrimination time. Smith faced 10 yrs. Then they brought in "conspiracy to rob" which again never existed. What they did not bank on was that Kevin Craigie who knew this would challenge it year after year. Thats why so many people, who know the case, as I now know it, know it is full of blatant corruption. The Police in 1990 were responsible
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They needed Smiths "evidene" to support their Joint Enterprise scenario for the prosecution. In the first two statements Smith stated he knew nothing. In the Police cells, waiting to be hauled back to Scotland, its then incrimination time. Smith faced 10 yrs. Then they brought in "conspiracy to rob" which again never existed. What they did not bank on was that Kevin Craigie who knew this would challenge it year after year. Thats why so many people, who know the case, as I now know it, know it is full of blatant corruption. The Police in 1990 were responsible
If Smiths first two statements have disappeared, how do we know what was contained within them? Surely the prosecutors were more interested in the fact that Craigie was found in the dead mans car and that Craigie covertly followed the pair to the house.
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Kevin had them for a while amongt his depositions.
He did not follow them covertly, thats what the prosecution conveniently made out. He was trying to keep up with them and shouted Fuller twice to no avail (London night crowds)
Kevin was the one who discreetly attracted the attention of two police officer driving in an unmarked car. He wanted their help. Kevin also grabbed Fuller as he tried running off when stopped at Petticoat lane market in the east end of London
Its all there amongst the paperwork
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Kevin had them for a while amongt his depositions.
He did not follow them covertly, thats what the prosecution conveniently made out. He was trying to keep up with them and shouted Fuller twice to no avail (London night crowds)
Kevin was the one who discreetly attracted the attention of two police officer driving in an unmarked car. He wanted their help. Kevin also grabbed Fuller as he tried running off when stopped at Petticoat lane market in the east end of London
Its all there amongst the paperwork
In his initial interview with the Police, Craigie described how he followed the pair, keeping a safe distance so as not to be seen. Once inside the house, Fuller signaled for Craigie to enter also.
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I am not better placed, nor claimed to be. However, having now read ALL the case files my conclusion is that he is not guilty. I also met him in London and months later in Manchester when we went there.Kevin Craigie spent over an hour discussing my brothers case with my wife and I. My brother then took the advice and got new lawyers to represent him.
The Jury? They wanted to acquitt Kevin Craigie and convict only Fuller. The Judge insisted they convict them both or acquitt them both. Then the Judge was minutes away from acquitting them when the Jury came back with a 10/2 verdict. Justice ? erm, not in my book it is not. Did you also know that Kevin Cragie was offered 8 yrs manslaughter if he pleaded guilty ?? This was within days of the trial starting. He refused, as any innocent man would do.
You'll have to forgive me if I'm not completely au fait with this case, but Kevin left a dying man at the scene? And stole his car?
Exactly Shona, he set out on the basis of a joint enterprise with Mark Fuller and ended up in the shit. Now that he has had time to think about it he can see how stupid a man he was. Doesn't change anything though - he was found guilty of being involved in the murder of Kenneth Rothwell, he didn't have to wield the stair spindle but he was there and that in Law is all that it takes.
Eat your humble pie Kevin because that is all you will get. @)(++(*
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Fuller was waving the murder weapon above his head !! Fuller had already struck Kevin on the wrist. He had no choice but to get in the car, even though he asked Fuller to leave without him. His intention being to raise the alarm as soon as he was physically away from Fuller...which he did.
Dont believe everything the ill informed say
He must have been a right pussy!! 8(0(*
And as for Fullers sentence, Craigie told me that Fuller only did 10 years for cooperating with the authorities so if that is wrong then Craigie is wrong!
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Kevin had them for a while amongt his depositions.
He did not follow them covertly, thats what the prosecution conveniently made out. He was trying to keep up with them and shouted Fuller twice to no avail (London night crowds)
Kevin was the one who discreetly attracted the attention of two police officer driving in an unmarked car. He wanted their help. Kevin also grabbed Fuller as he tried running off when stopped at Petticoat lane market in the east end of London
Its all there amongst the paperwork
What a load of piss. By his own admission Craigie followed Fuller and Rothwell discreetly onto the London Underground and travelled in the next carriage half way across London thereby missing the curfew at their hostel. And you are trying to tell people you couldn't keep up? What a joker!
Craigie and Fuller were caught because Fuller drove Mr Rothwell's stolen car the wrong way up a one-way street. Even when stopped by the police Craigie didn't tell the police of the assault and where the injured man could be found.
You are such a liar Kevin Craigie!
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Bottom line is that Craigie and Fuller set out to partake in criminal activity and on this particular night it was Fuller who picked up Kenneth Rothwell in a gay club. Fuller and Rothwell set off for Rothwell's home to partake in what can only be imagined was gay sex. Craigie followed them at a discreet distance.
At the property Fuller summoned Craigie in while Rothwell was in the shower. Rothwell came out of the shower to find the two men in his house and that is when things kicked off. Fuller ended up hitting Rothwell over the head with a stair spindle and knocking him senseless, bleeding but still alive. Both men ransacked the property and stole Rothwell's car keys before making their escape. They stole his car but were stopped by police a short time later while driving the wrong way up a one-way street.
Kenneth Rothwell was dead when police arrived at his home. Fuller and Craigie were convicted of Joint Enterprise murder, Fuller served 10 years while Craigie served 13 years. I understand Fuller was given a new identity when released.
Now remind me...how is Kevin Craigie innocent? 8-)(--)
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Bottom line is that Craigie and Fuller set out to partake in criminal activity and on this particular night it was Fuller who picked up Kenneth Rothwell in a gay club. Fuller and Rothwell set off for Rothwell's home to partake in what can only be imagined was gay sex. Craigie followed them at a discreet distance.
At the property Fuller summoned Craigie in while Rothwell was in the shower. Rothwell came out of the shower to find the two men in his house and that is when things kicked off. Fuller ended up hitting Rothwell over the head with a stair spindle and knocking him senseless, bleeding but still alive. Both men ransacked the property and stole Rothwell's car keys before making their escape. They stole his car but were stopped by police a short time later while driving the wrong way up a one-way street.
Kenneth Rothwell was dead when police arrived at his home. Fuller and Craigie were convicted of Joint Enterprise murder, Fuller served 10 years while Craigie served 13 years. I understand Fuller was given a new identity when released.
Now remind me...how is Kevin Craigie innocent? 8-)(--)
Try reading the entire case without selecting the bits you like and excluding the bits you don't before reaching a conclusion. Some people on here sure do talk nonsense.
If your present in the garage when its held up and the cashier is shot dead then according to you Shona your equally as guilty ? Thankfully that is not the law of Joint Enterprise as most GCSE school kids studying the subject would tell you.
Will end there before I am accused of being Kevin Craigie like everyone else who attempts to discuss this case rationally
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Bottom line is that Craigie and Fuller set out to partake in criminal activity and on this particular night it was Fuller who picked up Kenneth Rothwell in a gay club. Fuller and Rothwell set off for Rothwell's home to partake in what can only be imagined was gay sex. Craigie followed them at a discreet distance.
At the property Fuller summoned Craigie in while Rothwell was in the shower. Rothwell came out of the shower to find the two men in his house and that is when things kicked off. Fuller ended up hitting Rothwell over the head with a stair spindle and knocking him senseless, bleeding but still alive. Both men ransacked the property and stole Rothwell's car keys before making their escape. They stole his car but were stopped by police a short time later while driving the wrong way up a one-way street.
Kenneth Rothwell was dead when police arrived at his home. Fuller and Craigie were convicted of Joint Enterprise murder, Fuller served 10 years while Craigie served 13 years. I understand Fuller was given a new identity when released.
Now remind me...how is Kevin Craigie innocent? 8-)(--)
Try reading the entire case without selecting the bits you like and excluding the bits you don't before reaching a conclusion. Some people on here sure do talk nonsense.
If your present in the garage when its held up and the cashier is shot dead then according to you Shona your equally as guilty ? Thankfully that is not the law of Joint Enterprise as most GCSE school kids studying the subject would tell you.
Will end there before I am accused of being Kevin Craigie like everyone else who attempts to discuss this case rationally
Oh you couldn't possibly be Kevin Craigie because your logic is warped. Kevin Craigie would never fall into the traps you have.
Its interesting that you raise the analogy between an innocent onlooker caught up in a garage hold up and a case where two guys jointly set out to rob and ended up involved in murder. What you fail to comprehend is that Kevin Craigie is just as guilty as Mark Fuller in the cold-blooded murder of Kenneth Rothwell by virtue of him being jointly involved with him. Craigie didn't even need to have hit Rothwell, he was there and assisted an offender in criminal acts. Craigie then offers somewhat childish excuses as to why he didn't summon help for Mr Rothwell. Craigie would appear to be a rather weak insecure character easily led by his peers. He comes across as a coward who cannot face his critics but cowers behind his laptop. Sorry, that should have been some lady's laptop as it is allegedly stolen too!
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Yet again your arguments are seriously flawed, and at times completely inaccurate. Im not going to waste hours of my valuable time trying to "educate" an old con like you (an ex offender )like you with facts.
We all know what you stand for. I personally find you to be a despicable specimen as most others do.
I was discussing the case last night with Sika, not you.
Five years from now, you will still be on here acting like the school bully, safely tucked behind your computer.
I expect cases like Kevin Craigie's,Luke Mitchells, and several others will have proven themselves to be M.O.j.
You will still be spouting your intense hatred, anger,conflict, confrontation, name calling and frustration to whoever will listen. That is your world, your mind set, your entire life.
It is all that you know. Thats the only world you can function in as you know no other. You are excluded from society as a whole. You clearly despise yourself which is why you project that onto other people. When there is no one left, you will make up yet more false profiles to chatter away to yourself John Lamberton.
Kevin Craigie weak ? He did not strike me as weak, far from it. He struck me as very determined and conscise
Stolen computers ? Very much doubt it.
If he had stolen a computer he would have been arrested.
One of many of your victims of your intense daily hate campaign of misinformation ? Yes Yes Yes. (as everyone sussed out months ago)
Why do you persist on diverting away from your own criminal convictions/case whenever anyone asks ? You usually switch straight onto someone elses !!!
I would rather be Luke Mitchell, Kevin Craigie etc etc with their lives than wake up in the morning and be YOU John Lamberton.
Finally, before I depart from your red planet I thought I would help you with your representations to the SCCRC. I sent them, as a concerned member of the public (and the investigating DC whom you were trashing )a copy of all your campaining work going back years. It gives them an insight into your character/psyche.
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Yet again your arguments are seriously flawed, and at times completely inaccurate. Im not going to waste hours of my valuable time trying to "educate" an old con like you (an ex offender )like you with facts.
We all know what you stand for. I personally find you to be a despicable specimen as most others do.
I was discussing the case last night with Sika, not you.
Five years from now, you will still be on here acting like the school bully, safely tucked behind your computer.
I expect cases like Kevin Craigie's,Luke Mitchells, and several others will have proven themselves to be M.O.j.
You will still be spouting your intense hatred, anger,conflict, confrontation, name calling and frustration to whoever will listen. That is your world, your mind set, your entire life.
It is all that you know. Thats the only world you can function in as you know no other. You are excluded from society as a whole. You clearly despise yourself which is why you project that onto other people. When there is no one left, you will make up yet more false profiles to chatter away to yourself John Lamberton.
Kevin Craigie weak ? He did not strike me as weak, far from it. He struck me as very determined and conscise
Stolen computers ? Very much doubt it.
If he had stolen a computer he would have been arrested.
One of many of your victims of your intense daily hate campaign of misinformation ? Yes Yes Yes. (as everyone sussed out months ago)
Why do you persist on diverting away from your own criminal convictions/case whenever anyone asks ? You usually switch straight onto someone elses !!!
I would rather be Luke Mitchell, Kevin Craigie etc etc with their lives than wake up in the morning and be YOU John Lamberton.
Finally, before I depart from your red planet I thought I would help you with your representations to the SCCRC. I sent them, as a concerned member of the public (and the investigating DC whom you were trashing )a copy of all your campaining work going back years. It gives them an insight into your character/psyche.
Ha ha ha....
NO NO NO!! Now where have we heard that before?
Kevin Craigie is guilty as charged!!! He will never overturn his conviction as it is as safe as houses!
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Hello Jason, I think you'll actually find that John is quite keen to take questions on his own case. Here's your chance. 8(0(*
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=604.msg18565;boardseen#new
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Hello Steph, nice to see you back. ?{)(**
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Yet again your arguments are seriously flawed, and at times completely inaccurate. Im not going to waste hours of my valuable time trying to "educate" an old con like you (an ex offender )like you with facts.
We all know what you stand for. I personally find you to be a despicable specimen as most others do.
I was discussing the case last night with Sika, not you.
Five years from now, you will still be on here acting like the school bully, safely tucked behind your computer.
I expect cases like Kevin Craigie's,Luke Mitchells, and several others will have proven themselves to be M.O.j.
You will still be spouting your intense hatred, anger,conflict, confrontation, name calling and frustration to whoever will listen. That is your world, your mind set, your entire life.
It is all that you know. Thats the only world you can function in as you know no other. You are excluded from society as a whole. You clearly despise yourself which is why you project that onto other people. When there is no one left, you will make up yet more false profiles to chatter away to yourself John Lamberton.
Kevin Craigie weak ? He did not strike me as weak, far from it. He struck me as very determined and conscise
Stolen computers ? Very much doubt it.
If he had stolen a computer he would have been arrested.
One of many of your victims of your intense daily hate campaign of misinformation ? Yes Yes Yes. (as everyone sussed out months ago)
Why do you persist on diverting away from your own criminal convictions/case whenever anyone asks ? You usually switch straight onto someone elses !!!
I would rather be Luke Mitchell, Kevin Craigie etc etc with their lives than wake up in the morning and be YOU John Lamberton.
Finally, before I depart from your red planet I thought I would help you with your representations to the SCCRC. I sent them, as a concerned member of the public (and the investigating DC whom you were trashing )a copy of all your campaining work going back years. It gives them an insight into your character/psyche.
Ha ha ha....
NO NO NO!! Now where have we heard that before?
Kevin Craigie is guilty as charged!!! He will never overturn his conviction as it is as safe as houses!
8@??)(So says the pseudo wife of convicted granny killer simon hall....
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Yet again your arguments are seriously flawed, and at times completely inaccurate. Im not going to waste hours of my valuable time trying to "educate" an old con like you (an ex offender )like you with facts.
We all know what you stand for. I personally find you to be a despicable specimen as most others do.
I was discussing the case last night with Sika, not you.
Five years from now, you will still be on here acting like the school bully, safely tucked behind your computer.
I expect cases like Kevin Craigie's,Luke Mitchells, and several others will have proven themselves to be M.O.j.
You will still be spouting your intense hatred, anger,conflict, confrontation, name calling and frustration to whoever will listen. That is your world, your mind set, your entire life.
It is all that you know. Thats the only world you can function in as you know no other. You are excluded from society as a whole. You clearly despise yourself which is why you project that onto other people. When there is no one left, you will make up yet more false profiles to chatter away to yourself John Lamberton.
Kevin Craigie weak ? He did not strike me as weak, far from it. He struck me as very determined and conscise
Stolen computers ? Very much doubt it.
If he had stolen a computer he would have been arrested.
One of many of your victims of your intense daily hate campaign of misinformation ? Yes Yes Yes. (as everyone sussed out months ago)
Why do you persist on diverting away from your own criminal convictions/case whenever anyone asks ? You usually switch straight onto someone elses !!!
I would rather be Luke Mitchell, Kevin Craigie etc etc with their lives than wake up in the morning and be YOU John Lamberton.
Finally, before I depart from your red planet I thought I would help you with your representations to the SCCRC. I sent them, as a concerned member of the public (and the investigating DC whom you were trashing )a copy of all your campaining work going back years. It gives them an insight into your character/psyche.
They are not arguments Jason they are FACTS!
You however have to provide arguments in support of Kevin Craigie because the case is somewhat watertight against him and will never be overturned as Stephanie has already stated. Craigie set out with Fuller to do a dirty deed and ended up in the middle of a bigger one. Joint Enterprise is the perfect description for Kevin Craigie's crime and crying about it some twenty years later will not change anything.
As regards the laptop you borrowed from Mrs Cunliffe but refused to give it back Kevin, watch this space.
I am so pleased that you find me despicable Kevin because I so enjoy exposing frauds and real criminals and that applies to both sides of the fence. The rest of your rants aren't worth bothering about.
As for the SCCRC, you refer to a DC. There never was a DC in my case so just goes to show how pathetic your information and arguments really are lad.
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Having read this-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_purpose
I can see why it was joint enterprise.
Mr Fuller had the weapon that killed Mr Rothwell. Kevin could have taken action to stop the attack either by shouting or/and by trying to remove the weapon or by shoving Mr Fuller in a bid to intervene but didn't, nor did he find another way to 'break the chain'.
The other course of action would be to have walked away or to have alerted the appropriate authorities or both but he chose not to, instead choosing to stay there and actively steal the car of Mr Rothwell.
The police obviously saw there was enough evidence to charge both parties with joint enterprise as appose to Mr Fuller with murder and robbery and Kevin with being an accessory.
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Kevin Craigie constantly goes on about attracting the police's attention and of wanting to help but being prevented from doing so.
I have had a look over some of the statements again and it appears that Craigie (20) was the instigator of the conspiracy to rob according to the younger Fuller (18).
It is also worth noting that when they were stopped at 5.10am the following morning driving erratically the wrong way up a one-way street, Fuller was drivig while Craigie was in the passenger seat.
Fuller gave a false name and said that he had borrowed the car from a mate which Craigie corroborated. Craigie said that he had been picked up by Fuller earlier that morning. Fuller was arrested for taking a motor vehicle without consent while Craigie was allowed to go. When the police eventually found out who the car belonged to they had to force entry into Mr Rothwell's home where they found him to be dead.
Craigie had ample opportunity to call for medical assistance but>>> CHOSE NOT TO DO SO!
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They needed Smiths "evidene" to support their Joint Enterprise scenario for the prosecution. In the first two statements Smith stated he knew nothing. In the Police cells, waiting to be hauled back to Scotland, its then incrimination time. Smith faced 10 yrs. Then they brought in "conspiracy to rob" which again never existed. What they did not bank on was that Kevin Craigie who knew this would challenge it year after year. Thats why so many people, who know the case, as I now know it, know it is full of blatant corruption. The Police in 1990 were responsible
So KEVIN CRAIGIE is now saying the police were responsible? @)(++(*
"Jason" do you actually believe this?
It's always someone else's fault for criminals in denial. Tesko is the same, the police fitted him up. Strange that he was in hiding when the police eventually caught up with him. Does anyone know why an innocent law-abiding person would be hiding in an attic?
Kevin Craigie needs to man-up and take responsibility for his actions. At the end of the day he set out with Fuller to rob a gay man whom they thought would not fight back or report the crime. They assaulted him leaving him seriously injured and failed to summon any medical assistance because they knew he could identify them.
Both of them are therefore guilty irrespective of whether you call it murder or manslaughter.
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They needed Smiths "evidene" to support their Joint Enterprise scenario for the prosecution. In the first two statements Smith stated he knew nothing. In the Police cells, waiting to be hauled back to Scotland, its then incrimination time. Smith faced 10 yrs. Then they brought in "conspiracy to rob" which again never existed. What they did not bank on was that Kevin Craigie who knew this would challenge it year after year. Thats why so many people, who know the case, as I now know it, know it is full of blatant corruption. The Police in 1990 were responsible
So KEVIN CRAIGIE is now saying the police were responsible? @)(++(*
"Jason" do you actually believe this?
It's always someone else's fault for criminals in denial. Tesko is the same, the police fitted him up. Strange that he was in hiding when the police eventually caught up with him. Does anyone know why an innocent law-abiding person would be hiding in an attic?
Kevin Craigie needs to man-up and take responsibility for his actions. At the end of the day he set out with Fuller to rob a gay man whom they thought would not fight back or report the crime. They assaulted him leaving him seriously injured and failed to summon any medical assistance because they knew he could identify them.
Both of them are therefore guilty irrespective of whether you call it murder or manslaughter.
Could it be a case that he has told his mother and family that he is innocent for 21 years and cannot face the fact that he will be found out to be a liar??
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I did once ask and this is what I got back-Elizabeth is his mum. I think when he was due to move to London he asked a 3rd party to contact his mother and ask her to call him back but I don't think she did. This was after he'd asked the same person to take him to London (from Leeds, so like Leeds, Derby, London and back) and she said no and then I said no too.
Joanne Howe
Did you keep in touch with your brothers? I'm guessing no.....
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27 February Kevin Craigie you guessed rightly so
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27 February Joanne Howe
I take it you don't keep in touch with any of them?
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27 February Kevin Craigie No, The Wicked Witch of the North destroyed all possibility (Elizabeth)
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I did once ask and this is what I got back-Elizabeth is his mum. I think when he was due to move to London he asked a 3rd party to contact his mother and ask her to call him back but I don't think she did. This was after he'd asked the same person to take him to London (from Leeds, so like Leeds, Derby, London and back) and she said no and then I said no too.
Joanne Howe
Did you keep in touch with your brothers? I'm guessing no.....
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27 February Kevin Craigie you guessed rightly so
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27 February Joanne Howe
I take it you don't keep in touch with any of them?
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27 February Kevin Craigie No, The Wicked Witch of the North destroyed all possibility (Elizabeth)
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His real mother was only 14 when she had him and he was adopted. I assume it was the Craigie family that he used to write to when he was in bother and on hunger strike?
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Yes, it was. I don't know if he was ever in contact with his 'birth' mother and if there were any other children to the birth mum later, I don't know any of the details of that, just the adopted family.
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Neil/NGB1066 YOU NEED TO RESEARCH HIDEMYar...COM THERE LIE YOUR ANSWERS!!!
I wouldn't want you as my barrister!!! @)(++(*
"Misremembered?" Do you mean forgot???
YOU NEED TO CHECK OUT KAREN TORLEY.....!
Speak with someone you do trust!! 8-)(--)
theres plenty more of this..
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YOU NEED TO CHECK OUT ONCESAID AND FREEWULLIEGAGE - THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE!!!
THEY ARE VERY CLEAVER AND DEVIOUS!!
BLUE FORUM....
AS YOU ARE SO SLOW ON THE UPTAKE -
KEVIN CRAIGIE IS STILL POSTING ON YOUR FORUM AND YOU ARE ALL FALLING FOR IT...!
HE IS:
ONCESAID
FREEWULLIEGAGE
NEIL
BUSTER2
D-FENS
EGAP1?? UNCONFIRMED
SUSAN INGHAM?? UNCONFIRMED
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting! 8@??)(
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YOU NEED TO CHECK OUT ONCESAID AND FREEWULLIEGAGE - THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE!!!
THEY ARE VERY CLEAVER AND DEVIOUS!!
BLUE FORUM....
AS YOU ARE SO SLOW ON THE UPTAKE -
KEVIN CRAIGIE IS STILL POSTING ON YOUR FORUM AND YOU ARE ALL FALLING FOR IT...!
HE IS:
ONCESAID
FREEWULLIEGAGE
NEIL
BUSTER2
D-FENS
EGAP1?? UNCONFIRMED
SUSAN INGHAM?? UNCONFIRMED
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting! 8@??)(
Interesting? More like wrong!
Hall is obviously not as "cleaver" as she thinks! @)(++(*
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Paranoid comes to mind. He'll be on there somewhere but I don't think he's any of those, however, I'm fairly certain she has been in conversation with him severaal times in the last month. They deserve each other, it's not on here, so the blue forum are welcome to both of them and Jackie who is posting on there at the moment.
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I did once ask and this is what I got back-Elizabeth is his mum. I think when he was due to move to London he asked a 3rd party to contact his mother and ask her to call him back but I don't think she did. This was after he'd asked the same person to take him to London (from Leeds, so like Leeds, Derby, London and back) and she said no and then I said no too.
Joanne Howe
Did you keep in touch with your brothers? I'm guessing no.....
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27 February Kevin Craigie you guessed rightly so
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27 February Joanne Howe
I take it you don't keep in touch with any of them?
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27 February Kevin Craigie No, The Wicked Witch of the North destroyed all possibility (Elizabeth)
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That is funny. As he reckons Judy Garland was his birth mother, lol.
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Just to let everyone know. The idiot who is posting spam is KEVIN CRAIGIE.
If you don't stop that immediately Kevin I will post your contact details.
does anyone else think that the joint enterprise law on this occassion was used in the way it was intended?
Yes.
Has he found God now?
He did attend catholic school.
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He claims he is Kevin O'Connell the illegitimate grandson given up for adoption.
He was adopted and brought up in Clydebank.
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He claims he is Kevin O'Connell the illegitimate grandson given up for adoption.
He was adopted and brought up in Clydebank.
Hi Hepburn.
Would you mind introducing yourself here (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=3.0) please.
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http://www.britishmurders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=13276&name=Kevin%20Craigie
Has anyone got access to this site?
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/crime_archive/?id=24149
http://www.brugada.org/support_group/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3904
Re: Still non the wiser any ideas???
by Kevin Craigie » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:40 pm
They fitted me with a heart monitor this morning at University College Hospital, this measures the hearts activity, so you could perhap's ask about having this device fitted.
http://kevincraigiex.wordpress.com/2013/09/18/kevin-craigie-3/
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http://www.britishmurders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=13276&name=Kevin%20Craigie
Has anyone got access to this site?
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/crime_archive/?id=24149
http://www.brugada.org/support_group/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3904
Re: Still non the wiser any ideas???
by Kevin Craigie » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:40 pm
They fitted me with a heart monitor this morning at University College Hospital, this measures the hearts activity, so you could perhap's ask about having this device fitted.
http://kevincraigiex.wordpress.com/2013/09/18/kevin-craigie-3/
Ooh er. I find it so hard to take Kevin seriously, with his 3 deaths, and his chocolate eclair enema fantasies. And, of course, he did live his life like a candle in the wind.
Then I remember what happened to poor Mr Rothwell. 8(8-))
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http://www.britishmurders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=13276&name=Kevin%20Craigie
Has anyone got access to this site?
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/crime_archive/?id=24149
http://www.brugada.org/support_group/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3904
Re: Still non the wiser any ideas???
by Kevin Craigie » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:40 pm
They fitted me with a heart monitor this morning at University College Hospital, this measures the hearts activity, so you could perhap's ask about having this device fitted.
http://kevincraigiex.wordpress.com/2013/09/18/kevin-craigie-3/
Interesting links Joanne. It must be said there is something definitely missing in a person who would post their own death notice on-line. I have yet to hear of a stiff who can answer the phone.
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Yes, I've read it, it didn't specify what the piece of wood was but it was said it was a similar shape and size to a chair leg.
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Except Mr Craigie, He doesn't supply personal information to anyone, His words not mine.
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Kevin Craigie was convicted in 1991 of the Joint Enterprise murder of Kenneth Rothwell in his home in London. His co accused was a Mark Fuller. Craigie went on to serve a 13 year sentence but Fuller only served 10 years. Fuller later admitted to clubbing Mr Rothwell over the head with a piece of wood while Craigie for his part says that he tried to intervene and was accidentally hit by Fuller.
Craigie admits that Mr Rothwell was still alive and breathing after the attack but he and Fuller failed to provide any assistance to the victim who later died of his injuries. Craigie and Fuller then set about ransacking the property and stole several items from the house. They also stole Mr Rothwell's car and were later picked up by police driving the wrong way up a one-way street in London.
In recent years Craigie has been involved with the Citizens Advice Bureau rising to the post of Deputy Manager. He has also been involved with the Justice on Appeal Group and claimed to be the Managing Director while Darren Bolger was registered as a Director.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/darren-bolger/31/1b9/564
Darren Thomas Bolger, a 41 year old male from SW19, was found to have taken amounts of money prior to starting building works such as residential extensions and loft conversions under the name of several different companies including Building Matters London Ltd. Once he had obtained money from the home owners he would then leave the works unfinished and only return to collect his tools.
Thanks to the diligent work by officers from Hammersmith and Fulham led by DC Angela Mills and DS Richard Gilbert, Bolger received a three year custodial sentence at Norwich Crown Court due to one of the victims being a QC who occasionally sat in London Court. The trial was scheduled for three weeks but actually ran for four months. Witnesses were flown in from America and three defence witnesses were arrested for failing to answer summonses.
http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/node/4644
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Builder-found-guilty-of-defrauding-local-residents/1400008180757/1257246745756
After Bolger's conviction for fraud in April 2012, Craigie took over running the Justice on Appeal group.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/kevin-craigie/15/a26/480
We have been informed by individuals named as Trustees by Craigie on the Charity Commission return for this group that they were neither aware of this, had never signed any documentation in relation to this nor had they ever had any meetings with their fellow Trustees.
Darren Bolger has recently resurfaced (possibly a bad pun in the circs) in another context. Forum members might have noticed the flurry of publicity in the summer of 2014 about the 'Harry Potter lawyer', a gent by the name of Alan Blacker (though he frequently poses as Lord Harley of Counsel, Lord Harley of Dublin &c) (Google will give lots on it/him). One of the things about Mr Blacker that excited interest was his rather remarkable LinkedIn profile - at https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=88508720 (hours of fun and years to deconstruct, I suspect). Mr Blacker goes in for some quite florid recommendations and a recent one (8 Jan 2015) is for Darren Bolger, in these terms:
"Darren Bolger
Founder Trustee (Chair)
I am not really keen to recommend people in the building industry but Mr Bolger is different, with both a strong academic background he has turned several business into prosperous and thriving communities for both clients and staff. His wide and diverse experience serves him well and makes him the exception to the building expert rule.
January 8, 2015, Dr. Alan was with another company when working with Darren at Justice on Appeal (Registered Charity)"
There are so many things wrong with this it is difficult to know where to start. But of some significance is that a solicitor is apparently prepared to recommend a convicted fraudster. That recommendation by Alan Blacker led me eventually to this site so it had some benefit!
If any one is curious about Mr Blacker I can recommend this site: http://lawbytes.boards.net/.
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Darren Bolger has recently resurfaced (possibly a bad pun in the circs) in another context. Forum members might have noticed the flurry of publicity in the summer of 2014 about the 'Harry Potter lawyer', a gent by the name of Alan Blacker (though he frequently poses as Lord Harley of Counsel, Lord Harley of Dublin &c) (Google will give lots on it/him). One of the things about Mr Blacker that excited interest was his rather remarkable LinkedIn profile - at https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=88508720 (hours of fun and years to deconstruct, I suspect). Mr Blacker goes in for some quite florid recommendations and a recent one (8 Jan 2015) is for Darren Bolger, in these terms:
"Darren Bolger
Founder Trustee (Chair)
I am not really keen to recommend people in the building industry but Mr Bolger is different, with both a strong academic background he has turned several business into prosperous and thriving communities for both clients and staff. His wide and diverse experience serves him well and makes him the exception to the building expert rule.
January 8, 2015, Dr. Alan was with another company when working with Darren at Justice on Appeal (Registered Charity)"
There are so many things wrong with this it is difficult to know where to start. But of some significance is that a solicitor is apparently prepared to recommend a convicted fraudster. That recommendation by Alan Blacker led me eventually to this site so it had some benefit!
If any one is curious about Mr Blacker I can recommend this site: http://lawbytes.boards.net/.
Written evidence submitted by Justice on Appeal
"I have watched the evidence session, and felt extremely disappointed. Major factors were either skimmed over or simply not taken into account. Some of those giving their evidence had clearly not done their research.
My organisation Justice on Appeal has a substantial amount of people contacting us maintaining that they are not guilty of the index offence. They have all been convicted under Joint Enterprise and many of them are serving a minimum of 20–30 yrs of a life sentence. When two or more people are clearly involved in the commissioning of the crime, then that is not our concern. While they are guilty of a lesser offence, and that should be reflected we currently concentrate on the cases where the person is most certainly not guilty. There is overwhelming evidence which confirms this.
I have had the unenviable and tedious task of sifting through several dozen of these cases since last year. I have studied the prosecutions side and the defences side in addition to the summing up. The evidence reveals that these people are being unjustifiably convicted based on several factors, the most prominent being:
Fabricated and manufactured evidence.
Blatant corruption.
Judges misdirecting the Jury on the law of evidence and interpretation of the law.
Jurys being denied their request to acquit one defendant and convict the other, thus depriving the defendant of not just a fair trial, but ANY trial. This breaches ECHR article 6. In some cases they are accepting separate verdicts for separate defendants.
Lawyers not representing their clients properly, as they ought to under the Solicitors Act 1922, which stipulates that the Lawyer has a fundamental duty to their client at all times.
The defence not introducing crucial evidence and telling the defendants that they can rely on this at a later appeal. This is actually flawed, as evidence which is available cannot be relied upon at a later date.
The law of Joint Enterprise does need seriously amended or even abolished. It is damaging people’s faith in the Criminal Justice System, and the human impact is truly horrendous. Young people committing suicide, and Families being destroyed. http://www.statewatch.org/news/2012/jan/uk-jhrc-joint-enterprise-report-vol2.pdf
"List of additional written evidence
(published in Volume II on the Committee’s website www.parliament.uk/justicecom)
1 Dennis Demery
2 Dr Peter Freeman
3 Professor Lee Bridges
4 Janet Cunliffe
5 Tim Moloney QC and Simon Natas
6 Professor Graham Virgo
7 Progressing Prisoners Maintaining Innocence
8 Prison Reform Trust
9 Howard League for Penal Reform
10 Committee on the Reform of Joint Enterprise
11 Wrongly Accused Person Organisation
12 Gillian Phillips
13 Justice on Appeal
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"Alan Blacker has had his application for a fresh hearing rejected by the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal (SDT).
Following several failed attempts to have the hearing moved to Manchester, Blacker — who sometimes opts for the name Lord Harley of Counsel — was struck-off in July. This came after the SDT found the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) had proven seven out of eight charges against him, including dishonesty.
The Rochdale lawyer, who first hit headlines after an in-court spat with Judge Wynn Morgan, was also slapped with a hefty £86,000 costs order.
Today, during the public part of the re-hearing application, Goldsmith Chambers’ Anton van Dellen, representing Blacker (who wasn’t present), questioned the SDT’s decision not to have the hearing moved to accommodate his client.
But Edward Levey, of Fountain Court Chambers and representing the SRA, stressed the overwhelming evidence against Blacker and the significant costs that would result from another hearing. Citing Blacker’s failure to participate in case management hearings via telephone, Levey warned of the dangers of proceeding on medical evidence not disclosed to the other side.
Having heard a number of further submissions relating to Blacker’s medical evidence in private, the SDT eventually rejected his application. Blacker still has the option to appeal the tribunal’s original strike out decision
https://www.legalcheek.com/2016/09/alan-blacker-re-hearing-bid-fails/
More on Alan Blacker https://www.legalcheek.com/tag/alan-blacker/
SRA makes Alan Blacker - aka 'Lord Harley' - bankrupt August 2018
"Struck-off solicitor-advocate Alan Blacker has been declared bankrupt following a petition from the regulator.
Blacker, who was removed from the roll of solicitors two years ago, was made subject to a bankruptcy order last month. A notice published in the London Gazette confirmed the Solicitors Regulation Authority filed the petition in March at Manchester County Court.
The Rochdale-based lawyer was ordered to pay £86,000 costs by the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal after he was found to have breached accounts rules and falsely claimed to have academic and other qualifications.
Following an unsuccessful bid for a fresh hearing into the case, he was also ordered to pay a further £7,500 to cover further regulatory costs.
A spokesman for the SRA said it was committed to using the profession’s money efficiently, which includes recovering costs where appropriate. He added: ‘When we are recovering costs, we aim to take a fair and pragmatic approach, tailored to the circumstances of each individual. Petitioning for bankruptcy can help us properly establish someone’s assets through an independent trustee.’
Blacker, 46, is still registered with Companies House as a director of JAFLAS, which stands for Joint Armed Forces Legal Advocacy Service.
The solicitor-advocate came to public attention in 2014 when he was criticised by a judge in court for looking like ‘something out of Harry Potter’ and for wearing medals and ceremonial ribbons on his gown.
His discredited claims included that he studied at Oxford, Cambridge and Dublin universities, as well as having two honours degrees and accreditation in Ireland, Denmark and Canada. Blacker also went under the name Lord Harley.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-makes-alan-blacker-aka-lord-harley-bankrupt/5067285.article
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Written evidence submitted by Justice on Appeal
"I have watched the evidence session, and felt extremely disappointed. Major factors were either skimmed over or simply not taken into account. Some of those giving their evidence had clearly not done their research.
My organisation Justice on Appeal has a substantial amount of people contacting us maintaining that they are not guilty of the index offence. They have all been convicted under Joint Enterprise and many of them are serving a minimum of 20–30 yrs of a life sentence. When two or more people are clearly involved in the commissioning of the crime, then that is not our concern. While they are guilty of a lesser offence, and that should be reflected we currently concentrate on the cases where the person is most certainly not guilty. There is overwhelming evidence which confirms this.
I have had the unenviable and tedious task of sifting through several dozen of these cases since last year. I have studied the prosecutions side and the defences side in addition to the summing up. The evidence reveals that these people are being unjustifiably convicted based on several factors, the most prominent being:
Fabricated and manufactured evidence.
Blatant corruption.
Judges misdirecting the Jury on the law of evidence and interpretation of the law.
Jurys being denied their request to acquit one defendant and convict the other, thus depriving the defendant of not just a fair trial, but ANY trial. This breaches ECHR article 6. In some cases they are accepting separate verdicts for separate defendants.
Lawyers not representing their clients properly, as they ought to under the Solicitors Act 1922, which stipulates that the Lawyer has a fundamental duty to their client at all times.
The defence not introducing crucial evidence and telling the defendants that they can rely on this at a later appeal. This is actually flawed, as evidence which is available cannot be relied upon at a later date.
The law of Joint Enterprise does need seriously amended or even abolished. It is damaging people’s faith in the Criminal Justice System, and the human impact is truly horrendous. Young people committing suicide, and Families being destroyed. http://www.statewatch.org/news/2012/jan/uk-jhrc-joint-enterprise-report-vol2.pdf
"List of additional written evidence
(published in Volume II on the Committee’s website www.parliament.uk/justicecom)
1 Dennis Demery
2 Dr Peter Freeman
3 Professor Lee Bridges
4 Janet Cunliffe
5 Tim Moloney QC and Simon Natas
6 Professor Graham Virgo
7 Progressing Prisoners Maintaining Innocence
8 Prison Reform Trust
9 Howard League for Penal Reform
10 Committee on the Reform of Joint Enterprise
11 Wrongly Accused Person Organisation
12 Gillian Phillips
13 Justice on Appeal
"Justice on Appeal
Noting the frustrations in the British Legal System in-justice, both from Universities Trainee Barristers and those claiming that they were 'wrongfully convicted' of Crimes, I decided to form a Registered Charity to address the concerns of both. Prisoners were siting on piles of Legal Papers (Depositions) and the Trainees wanted Papers to read and cases to work on. A simple but effective partnership which was said by Sir Michael Napier CBE QC as, "an initiative for Justice"
https://darrenthomasbolger.com/history
Darren Thomas Bolger describes himself as "AUTHOR, PHILANTHROPIST, ENTREPRENEUR, MENTOR"
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A rogue builder who never seemed able to complete home renovations across Hammersmith and Fulham but was content to pocket vast sums has been jailed for three years. Darren Thomas Bolger, a 41 year old builder from the SW19 area, was found to have taken large amounts of money prior to starting building works. These included residential extensions and loft conversions under the names of multiple companies like 'Building Matters London Ltd.' His modus operandi was simple, he collected money from homeowners, left works unfinished, and returned to collect his tools. The homes would then be left strewn with masonry and all manner of junk , even WCs (pictured).
His luck ran out after he was confronted by a Queen's Counsel (QC), one of his victims who ocassionally sat in a London Court. Witnesses also had to be flown in from America whilst three defence witnesses were arrested for failing to answer summonses. Added to that, diligent work by officers from Hammersmith and Fulham led by DC Angela Mills and DS Richard Gilbert, who made sure Bolger was eventually nailed. He received a three-year custodial sentence at Norwich Crown Court.
Detective Sergeant Richard Gilbert from Hammersmith and Fulham CID said: “This was a complicated investigation involving many victims and culminating in a fourteen week trial. I am pleased that the defendant has been found guilty of defrauding four families of almost a quarter of a million pounds. Hammersmith and Fulham Payback Unit will continue investigations into his finances to try to secure compensation for the victims. “
http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/node/4644
Interesting comment at the bottom of this article:
'I am also owed a large amount from Darren Bolger when he tried to set up a dodgy charity called Justice on Appeal.'
Police sued over pub murder November 2009
"THE brother of a convicted murderer is suing Essex Police over claims they fabricated evidence in his brother’s case.
Darren Bolger, 40, served county court papers on the force at its Chelmsford headquarters on Tuesday.
The writ claims he is suing the force over claims they fabricated and altered evidence in the case of his brothers Jason and Brian Bolger.
Jason Bolger, now 32, formerly of Celandine Close, South Ockendon, was caged in May 1999 for the killing of pub customer Gary Edwards at the Village Inn pub, in South Ockendon.
His brother Brian was ordered into psychiatric care indefinitely after admitting manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
Mr Bolger said: “My claim is that Essex Police fabricated evidence and corruptly acted in a murder investigation.
“It has been a long process I have taken, with a number of others involved.
“But now I finally have the evidence to support the claim in a court. I am happy to fight them in any court.”
Nicola Bastendorff, spokeswoman for Essex Police, said: “Essex Police has been served with court proceedings which relate to the murder of Gary Edwards.
“The documents are being examined by the force solicitor.”
During a trial at Chelmsford Crown Court, jurors head how the Bolger brothers had been drinking at the pub on March 11, 1998, when they are alleged to have launched the attack on fellow drinker, 40-year-old Mr Edwards.
Mr Edwards was felled by a single punch before a bar stool was smashed over his head.
He was also slashed with broken bottles and ashtrays before he was dragged into the street where he was kicked, punched and stamped on.
Mr Edwards received eight broken ribs and his jaw was broken in four places.
Passer-by James Buckingham, who tried to help, was also attacked and was left with a hole the size of a golf ball in his skull.
Murder charges brought against a third man were discharged by the court.
In April last year Jason Bolger launched a bid to challenge his conviction.
https://www.thurrockgazette.co.uk/news/4757792.police-sued-over-pub-murder/
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"Justice on Appeal
Noting the frustrations in the British Legal System in-justice, both from Universities Trainee Barristers and those claiming that they were 'wrongfully convicted' of Crimes, I decided to form a Registered Charity to address the concerns of both. Prisoners were siting on piles of Legal Papers (Depositions) and the Trainees wanted Papers to read and cases to work on. A simple but effective partnership which was said by Sir Michael Napier CBE QC as, "an initiative for Justice"
https://darrenthomasbolger.com/history
Darren Thomas Bolger describes himself as "AUTHOR, PHILANTHROPIST, ENTREPRENEUR, MENTOR"
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/2213211.9-years-on-and-killer-fights-his-conviction/
Force faces action in murder case November 2009
"A man who believes Essex Police framed his two brothers for murder has served the force with court proceedings.
Brian and Jason Bolger were convicted of battering 40-year-old Gary Edwards to death outside a pub in South Ockendon in 1998.
Their brother Darren Bolger said he had begun the action as new evidence had come to light in the case.
Essex Police confirmed they had received documents which were being examined by the force solicitor.
Mr Bolger said he had started proceedings after seeing council documents and papers the defence team used during his brothers' trial.
He told BBC Essex: "Those who acted improperly should be brought to book.
"I am not one of those crusaders. I am not saying all police are corrupt.
"I'm against those that bring the police force into disrepute."
Brian and Jason Bolger have failed three times to have their convictions referred to the Criminal Cases Review Commission http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/8379059.stm
19th May 1999
South Ockendon: Killer sent away for 'indefinite' period
"A man has been ordered into psychiatric care "indefinitely" for a horrific attack at a South Ockendon pub.
Brian Bolger was sent to the hospital for what was described as a "quite an extraordinary ferocious and lethal attack."
His younger brother Jason, 22, is already serving a life sentence for the killing of pub customer Gary Edwards.
Brian Bolger, 27, had denied the murder of Mr Edwards but admitted manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility. Sentence had been adjourned until the end of brother Jason's trial and for psychiatric reports.
Mr Justice Gage was shown four separate reports which showed Bolger, from Celandine Close, South Ockendon, was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia at the time of the murder of Mr Edwards at the Village Inn on March 11 last year.
He is still suffering and Mr Justice Gage the public had to be protected from him.
"You participated in what was a quite extraordinarily ferocious and lethal attack on Gary
https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/5529541.South_Ockendon__Killer_sent_away_for__indefinite__period/
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CLARITY.
Kevin Craigie did not leave Jengba he was ousted.This was partially due to his vile public attack on members on the Jengba forum including the founder Gloria Morrison.
Kevin Craigie had previously convinced GM and Jengba commitee that Darren Bolger was an M15 agent.
At the same time,regardless of his public display of mistrust for JOA, Kevin Craigie being a master of duplicity was liaising with Darren Bolger.
8-)(--) JOA was not folded immediately Kevin Craigie accepted the position.The Putney address was no longer a valid address for JOA several weeks prior to KC's arrival.Etc etc etc
GET A GRIP HELENA you sounding like Craigie Rotter.
Q. still remains who set up the meet with JOA for a vulnerable woman using Jengba PO Box address????
Of course it might well have been Craigie Rotter in collusion with Darren Bolger. 8(0(* At the same time he was pubbblicly denouncing JOA and Darren BBolger. You couldn't make it up! 8@??)(
Get a grip Helena
https://www.thejusticegap.com/author/gloria-morrison/
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Kevin Craigie was convicted in 1991 of the Joint Enterprise murder of Kenneth Rothwell in his home in London. His co accused was a Mark Fuller. Craigie went on to serve a 13 year sentence but Fuller only served 10 years. Fuller later admitted to clubbing Mr Rothwell over the head with a piece of wood while Craigie for his part says that he tried to intervene and was accidentally hit by Fuller.
Craigie admits that Mr Rothwell was still alive and breathing after the attack but he and Fuller failed to provide any assistance to the victim who later died of his injuries. Craigie and Fuller then set about ransacking the property and stole several items from the house. They also stole Mr Rothwell's car and were later picked up by police driving the wrong way up a one-way street in London.
In recent years Craigie has been involved with the Citizens Advice Bureau rising to the post of Deputy Manager. He has also been involved with the Justice on Appeal Group and claimed to be the Managing Director while Darren Bolger was registered as a Director.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/darren-bolger/31/1b9/564
Darren Thomas Bolger, a 41 year old male from SW19, was found to have taken amounts of money prior to starting building works such as residential extensions and loft conversions under the name of several different companies including Building Matters London Ltd. Once he had obtained money from the home owners he would then leave the works unfinished and only return to collect his tools.
Thanks to the diligent work by officers from Hammersmith and Fulham led by DC Angela Mills and DS Richard Gilbert, Bolger received a three year custodial sentence at Norwich Crown Court due to one of the victims being a QC who occasionally sat in London Court. The trial was scheduled for three weeks but actually ran for four months. Witnesses were flown in from America and three defence witnesses were arrested for failing to answer summonses.
http://www.westlondontoday.co.uk/node/4644
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Builder-found-guilty-of-defrauding-local-residents/1400008180757/1257246745756
After Bolger's conviction for fraud in April 2012, Craigie took over running the Justice on Appeal group.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/kevin-craigie/15/a26/480
We have been informed by individuals named as Trustees by Craigie on the Charity Commission return for this group that they were neither aware of this, had never signed any documentation in relation to this nor had they ever had any meetings with their fellow Trustees.
Kevin Craigie's LinkedIn profile now reads:
International sex symbol
Legends
March 2002 – Present 16 years 8 months
Hollywood
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/kevin-craigie-480a2615
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"Alan Blacker has had his application for a fresh hearing rejected by the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal (SDT).
Following several failed attempts to have the hearing moved to Manchester, Blacker — who sometimes opts for the name Lord Harley of Counsel — was struck-off in July. This came after the SDT found the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) had proven seven out of eight charges against him, including dishonesty.
The Rochdale lawyer, who first hit headlines after an in-court spat with Judge Wynn Morgan, was also slapped with a hefty £86,000 costs order.
Today, during the public part of the re-hearing application, Goldsmith Chambers’ Anton van Dellen, representing Blacker (who wasn’t present), questioned the SDT’s decision not to have the hearing moved to accommodate his client.
But Edward Levey, of Fountain Court Chambers and representing the SRA, stressed the overwhelming evidence against Blacker and the significant costs that would result from another hearing. Citing Blacker’s failure to participate in case management hearings via telephone, Levey warned of the dangers of proceeding on medical evidence not disclosed to the other side.
Having heard a number of further submissions relating to Blacker’s medical evidence in private, the SDT eventually rejected his application. Blacker still has the option to appeal the tribunal’s original strike out decision
https://www.legalcheek.com/2016/09/alan-blacker-re-hearing-bid-fails/
More on Alan Blacker https://www.legalcheek.com/tag/alan-blacker/
SRA makes Alan Blacker - aka 'Lord Harley' - bankrupt August 2018
"Struck-off solicitor-advocate Alan Blacker has been declared bankrupt following a petition from the regulator.
Blacker, who was removed from the roll of solicitors two years ago, was made subject to a bankruptcy order last month. A notice published in the London Gazette confirmed the Solicitors Regulation Authority filed the petition in March at Manchester County Court.
The Rochdale-based lawyer was ordered to pay £86,000 costs by the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal after he was found to have breached accounts rules and falsely claimed to have academic and other qualifications.
Following an unsuccessful bid for a fresh hearing into the case, he was also ordered to pay a further £7,500 to cover further regulatory costs.
A spokesman for the SRA said it was committed to using the profession’s money efficiently, which includes recovering costs where appropriate. He added: ‘When we are recovering costs, we aim to take a fair and pragmatic approach, tailored to the circumstances of each individual. Petitioning for bankruptcy can help us properly establish someone’s assets through an independent trustee.’
Blacker, 46, is still registered with Companies House as a director of JAFLAS, which stands for Joint Armed Forces Legal Advocacy Service.
The solicitor-advocate came to public attention in 2014 when he was criticised by a judge in court for looking like ‘something out of Harry Potter’ and for wearing medals and ceremonial ribbons on his gown.
His discredited claims included that he studied at Oxford, Cambridge and Dublin universities, as well as having two honours degrees and accreditation in Ireland, Denmark and Canada. Blacker also went under the name Lord Harley.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-makes-alan-blacker-aka-lord-harley-bankrupt/5067285.article
"More people to avoid (on the basis that they have been recommended by Alan Mark Blacker the fake Lord Harley and serial plagiarist on LinkedIn), or at least check out pretty fully:
All were added on 8 January.
"Darren Bolger
[see www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=110974684, also a 'full' profile despite the disclaimer at the top]
Founder Trustee (Chair)
I am not really keen to recommend people in the building industry but Mr Bolger is different, with both a strong academic background he has turned several business into prosperous and thriving communities for both clients and staff. His wide and diverse experience serves him well and makes him the exception to the building expert rule.
January 8, 2015, Dr. Alan was with another company when working with Darren at Justice on Appeal (Registered Charity)"
(Mr Bolger is one for the understated recommendation: "Derek Williamson Principal Derek is an accountant and financial advisor like no other. When saying that he goes the extra mile is by no means enough. Derek would put his life on the line and has done for the sake of Justice and in delivery of very detailed advice and assistance. His honesty and integrity stand alone. For those lucky enough to have Derek supporting their business assets and future financial planning, you will only receive the highest level of guidance and professional opinion. He's a very likeable and trusted person also and again, the levels of trust that Derek holds cannot be given a value.
July 15, 2013, Darren was with another company when working with Derek at Goddards Accountants
http://lawbytes.boards.net/thread/185/linkedin-recommendations-alan-blacker
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"More people to avoid (on the basis that they have been recommended by Alan Mark Blacker the fake Lord Harley and serial plagiarist on LinkedIn), or at least check out pretty fully:
All were added on 8 January.
"Darren Bolger
[see www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=110974684, also a 'full' profile despite the disclaimer at the top]
Founder Trustee (Chair)
I am not really keen to recommend people in the building industry but Mr Bolger is different, with both a strong academic background he has turned several business into prosperous and thriving communities for both clients and staff. His wide and diverse experience serves him well and makes him the exception to the building expert rule.
January 8, 2015, Dr. Alan was with another company when working with Darren at Justice on Appeal (Registered Charity)"
(Mr Bolger is one for the understated recommendation: "Derek Williamson Principal Derek is an accountant and financial advisor like no other. When saying that he goes the extra mile is by no means enough. Derek would put his life on the line and has done for the sake of Justice and in delivery of very detailed advice and assistance. His honesty and integrity stand alone. For those lucky enough to have Derek supporting their business assets and future financial planning, you will only receive the highest level of guidance and professional opinion. He's a very likeable and trusted person also and again, the levels of trust that Derek holds cannot be given a value.
July 15, 2013, Darren was with another company when working with Derek at Goddards Accountants
http://lawbytes.boards.net/thread/185/linkedin-recommendations-alan-blacker
"A judge who reprimanded a solicitor-advocate for 'dressing like something out of Harry Potter' has been cleared by investigators.
The Judicial Conduct Investigations Office (JCIO) today dismissed complaints against His Honour Judge David Wynn Morgan.
The circuit judge was sitting at Cardiff Crown Court last August when he told Alan Blacker (pictured) after a trial that the solicitor-advocate was dressed ‘like something out of Harry Potter’.
He scolded Blacker, who wore a medal and badges sewn onto his gown, in front of the jury and press and added that ‘If you ever appear before this court again dressed as you are I shall exercise my right to decline to hear you’.
Blacker, based at the Joint Armed Forces Legal Services in Rochdale, complained at what he described as judicial bias.
But the JCIO today said complaints about Morgan’s conduct should be dismissed entirely.
In a statement, the office added: ‘The Lord Chancellor and the President of the Queen’s Bench Division found that HHJ Morgan was entitled to challenge the appearance and status as a legal representative of Mr Alan Blacker, also known as Lord Harley and this did not amount to misconduct.
‘HHJ Morgan has been issued with informal advice regarding how to deal with such situations in future. This is not, however, a form of rebuke or disciplinary sanction.’
The story created enormous interest in the national and trade media after Blacker accused the judiciary of ‘snobbery’.
Last August, Blacker explained that his family has a hereditary title going back more than 1,100 years. When he appears in the magistrates’ and county courts, he said he used the name Dr Alan Blacker, as he received a D Phil in law with economics.
‘Everyone is equal in those courts,’ he told the Gazette. ‘But when I appear in the Crown court I come up against senior and treasury counsel, so I use my title.’
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/judge-cleared-of-misconduct-over-harry-potter-comment/5049766.article
SOLICITORS DISCIPLINARY TRIBUNAL
http://www.solicitorstribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files-sdt/11428.2015.Blacker.Judgment.pdf
https://high-court-justice.vlex.co.uk/vid/637520233
https://www.blakemorgan.co.uk/training-knowledge/features-and-articles/blacker-v-solicitors-regulation-authority/
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"More people to avoid (on the basis that they have been recommended by Alan Mark Blacker the fake Lord Harley and serial plagiarist on LinkedIn), or at least check out pretty fully:
All were added on 8 January.
"Darren Bolger
[see www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=110974684, also a 'full' profile despite the disclaimer at the top]
Founder Trustee (Chair)
I am not really keen to recommend people in the building industry but Mr Bolger is different, with both a strong academic background he has turned several business into prosperous and thriving communities for both clients and staff. His wide and diverse experience serves him well and makes him the exception to the building expert rule.
January 8, 2015, Dr. Alan was with another company when working with Darren at Justice on Appeal (Registered Charity)"
(Mr Bolger is one for the understated recommendation: "Derek Williamson Principal Derek is an accountant and financial advisor like no other. When saying that he goes the extra mile is by no means enough. Derek would put his life on the line and has done for the sake of Justice and in delivery of very detailed advice and assistance. His honesty and integrity stand alone. For those lucky enough to have Derek supporting their business assets and future financial planning, you will only receive the highest level of guidance and professional opinion. He's a very likeable and trusted person also and again, the levels of trust that Derek holds cannot be given a value.
July 15, 2013, Darren was with another company when working with Derek at Goddards Accountants
http://lawbytes.boards.net/thread/185/linkedin-recommendations-alan-blacker
"Then, Blacker’s incredible ‘Lord Harley’ LinkedIn profile came to light, which included claims he was a Transactional Analysis Psychoanalytical Psychologist, a Fellow of the Zoological Society of London a Licensed Boiler Examiner, and a Stanford University graduate (among many other things). A LinkedIn page, ‘Dr Alan Blacker Lord Harley KGCSt.J. DPhil’, is still live.
Blacker was struck off in 2016 after multiple misconduct charges were proven.
Harley is being represented by Dominic D’Souza, a Goldsmith Chambers barrister who himself has quite an interesting LinkedIn profile. Highlights include court building selfies, inspirational quotes, nightclub antics and exchanges with yes, you guessed it, Harley.
https://whitestonesolicitors.co.uk/news/lord-harley-in-court-after-being-charged-with-benefits-offence/
Documents reveal that Harry Potter lawyer Alan Blacker had been misleading the public for years
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/documents-reveal-harry-potter-lawyer-11622382
Eccentric lawyer slammed for dressing 'like something out of Harry Potter' says he can't attend his own disciplinary hearing because it's on his birthday
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3686617/Eccentric-lawyer-slammed-dressing-like-Harry-Potter-says-t-attend-disciplinary-hearing-s-birthday.html
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"Then, Blacker’s incredible ‘Lord Harley’ LinkedIn profile came to light, which included claims he was a Transactional Analysis Psychoanalytical Psychologist, a Fellow of the Zoological Society of London a Licensed Boiler Examiner, and a Stanford University graduate (among many other things). A LinkedIn page, ‘Dr Alan Blacker Lord Harley KGCSt.J. DPhil’, is still live.
Blacker was struck off in 2016 after multiple misconduct charges were proven.
Harley is being represented by Dominic D’Souza, a Goldsmith Chambers barrister who himself has quite an interesting LinkedIn profile. Highlights include court building selfies, inspirational quotes, nightclub antics and exchanges with yes, you guessed it, Harley.
https://whitestonesolicitors.co.uk/news/lord-harley-in-court-after-being-charged-with-benefits-offence/
Documents reveal that Harry Potter lawyer Alan Blacker had been misleading the public for years
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/documents-reveal-harry-potter-lawyer-11622382
Eccentric lawyer slammed for dressing 'like something out of Harry Potter' says he can't attend his own disciplinary hearing because it's on his birthday
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3686617/Eccentric-lawyer-slammed-dressing-like-Harry-Potter-says-t-attend-disciplinary-hearing-s-birthday.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ex-solicitor-lied-about-disability-to-claim-60k-benefits-cwsjfrp3j?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=newsletter_121&utm_medium=email&utm_content=121_7636183&CMP=TNLEmail_118918_7636183_121
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"Justice on Appeal
Noting the frustrations in the British Legal System in-justice, both from Universities Trainee Barristers and those claiming that they were 'wrongfully convicted' of Crimes, I decided to form a Registered Charity to address the concerns of both. Prisoners were siting on piles of Legal Papers (Depositions) and the Trainees wanted Papers to read and cases to work on. A simple but effective partnership which was said by Sir Michael Napier CBE QC as, "an initiative for Justice"
https://darrenthomasbolger.com/history
Darren Thomas Bolger describes himself as "AUTHOR, PHILANTHROPIST, ENTREPRENEUR, MENTOR"
Did Sir Michael Napier CBE QC actually say the words “an initiative for justice” to Darren Bolger re Justice on Appeal
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Did Sir Michael Napier CBE QC actually say the words “an initiative for justice” to Darren Bolger re Justice on Appeal
There was mention of a QC in the news article
“Thanks to the diligent work by officers from Hammersmith and Fulham led by DC Angela Mills and DS Richard Gilbert, Bolger received a three year custodial sentence at Norwich Crown Court due to one of the victims being a QC who occasionally sat in London Court.”
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"More people to avoid (on the basis that they have been recommended by Alan Mark Blacker the fake Lord Harley and serial plagiarist on LinkedIn), or at least check out pretty fully:
All were added on 8 January.
"Darren Bolger
[see www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=110974684, also a 'full' profile despite the disclaimer at the top]
Founder Trustee (Chair)
I am not really keen to recommend people in the building industry but Mr Bolger is different, with both a strong academic background he has turned several business into prosperous and thriving communities for both clients and staff. His wide and diverse experience serves him well and makes him the exception to the building expert rule.
January 8, 2015, Dr. Alan was with another company when working with Darren at Justice on Appeal (Registered Charity)"
(Mr Bolger is one for the understated recommendation: "Derek Williamson Principal Derek is an accountant and financial advisor like no other. When saying that he goes the extra mile is by no means enough. Derek would put his life on the line and has done for the sake of Justice and in delivery of very detailed advice and assistance. His honesty and integrity stand alone. For those lucky enough to have Derek supporting their business assets and future financial planning, you will only receive the highest level of guidance and professional opinion. He's a very likeable and trusted person also and again, the levels of trust that Derek holds cannot be given a value.
July 15, 2013, Darren was with another company when working with Derek at Goddards Accountants
http://lawbytes.boards.net/thread/185/linkedin-recommendations-alan-blacker
Goddards Accountants
@GoddardsAccount
May 23, 2014
On behalf of Goddards Accountants, we'd like to wish
@1DarrenBolger
a very happy birthday :)
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoddardsAccount/status/469759077900644352