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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Brietta on September 29, 2018, 08:46:39 PM

Title: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Brietta on September 29, 2018, 08:46:39 PM
Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing
He's opened up in his first in-depth interview
SEPTEMBER 29, 2018

Madeleine McCann's father Gerry has opened up about life at home with his daughter before she went missing, in a candid and heartbreaking interview about grief and loss.

He described his relationship with Maddie as "incredibly special" on Radio 4, and said: "I formed a very strong bond with her from a young age," before adding: "One of the TV shows we watched together was Dr Who, which people might think, 'You can't have a three-year-old watching Dr Who,' but she loved it.
I would often do the bedtime story with Madeleine too, she had stars above her bed and that was our time."

He also fondly remembered: "I'd take her to the local swimming pool and she would march around the pool and go up to her instructor with her cap and goggles on, smiling - no anxiety about it, she just went in there!"

Talking about the devastating night Maddie went missing during a family holiday to the Algarve in 2007, Gerry fought back the tears as he recalled: "It was disbelief, then panic and terror. I could only think of one scenario at that time.
I remember just being in the bedroom [with wife Kate], distraught - the two of us just completely distraught.
The pain, feeling helpless and alone together. It was the most painful realisation and we couldn't get the darkest thoughts out of our minds."

Highlighting the importance of seeking help for mental health during loss or grief, Gerry shared his own experiences of a counsellor, saying: "We went back to the apartment and the counsellor arrived, Alan, and at the time I just didn't think I was the kind of person who would need counselling or respond to it.

But he was great and he said, 'I'm here, you can call me any time.'

We were getting more and more distraught, until one of us said, 'Lets phone Alan,' and he came round to the apartment and he started talking to us, just asking about our normal life at home.
After listening to us, Alan said, 'You sound like model parents,' and I suppose at the time, that's something we probably really needed to hear."

Gerry continued to explain that the help of family, friends and the community are what gave the couple strength, adding: "Getting through the nights was the hardest, the thing that kept us afloat was the twins - having two other children - trying to make sure they had enough love and the attention they deserved was incredibly important."

Explaining what life is like eleven years since Maddie's disappearance, he revealed: "Madeleine's room is pretty much as it was, there's a wardrobe full of presents from birthdays and Christmases. I think the stars are even still up there."
https://www.hellomagazine.com/news/2018092962902/gerry-mccann-maddie-interview/

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Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Montclair on September 29, 2018, 10:56:49 PM
Gerry thinks that the stars are still up there? He doesn't know for sure?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 29, 2018, 11:09:14 PM
Gerry thinks that the stars are still up there? He doesn't know for sure?
@)(++(* you people are sooooooo predictable.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on September 29, 2018, 11:10:13 PM
Gerry thinks that the stars are still up there? He doesn't know for sure?
I think that he is using that expresion as meaning that he is fairly sure that Madeleine is still alive
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Sunny on September 29, 2018, 11:35:42 PM
I think that he is using that expresion as meaning that he is fairly sure that Madeleine is still alive

I don't. I think he is talking about the stars on Madeleine's bedroom ceiling sadie.  Perhaps he hasn't looked at them in a while.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 29, 2018, 11:57:06 PM
Plenty about his feelings, but nothing about his or anyone else's mental health.
Did you listen to the whole programme?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on September 30, 2018, 12:03:14 AM
I think that he is using that expresion as meaning that he is fairly sure that Madeleine is still alive

I think this video shows a number of the elements that despair can do to you


When you have tragically lost someone you love.
When you have loved someone deeply who has vanished and you are thinking possibly of an unbearable fate
...  and no-one is looking for a living Madeleine
...  then cruelly rejected by a huge number of unbelieving, accusatory and often sneering people

.... and so the despair and pain builds up


https://youtu.be/DD1ih3Q9otE
   

A beautiful video   One of my favourites, and we lost the superlative Vincent because nobody understood him. ........... (Please ignore the last few seconds.  I dont know how to get rid of them !)


Thank God that Gerry has been strong enough to come through (most of) it, thanks in no small measure to the support he received from his family friends and supporters.
Please may the funds carry on.  Seems OG have something very significant and that they are almost there. 
Please may Justice prevail in this case and the perpetrator/s be put away safely and hopefully Madeleine and other missing children come home


FGS.  It has cost the country only about tuppence per person, per year !  Peanuts




Modified in line with slartis observation that I had put the decimal point in the wrong place
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Brietta on September 30, 2018, 12:32:47 AM
I don't. I think he is talking about the stars on Madeleine's bedroom ceiling sadie.  Perhaps he hasn't looked at them in a while.

That is perfectly possible. Kate finds solace from being in Madeleine's room ... perhaps he finds it too painful to enter??

I think that the symbolism that Sadie has suggested is also rather apt and I for one find it touching.  Kind thoughts from a kind lady; I wish there were more like her.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 12:46:41 AM
@)(++(* you people are sooooooo predictable.

Gerry certainly is. ‘ the wind was blowing hard that night and the shutters were creaking’.

Funny how not one person mentions this howling gale in their statements.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Brietta on September 30, 2018, 12:52:37 AM
I think this video shows a number of the elements that despair can do to you


When you have tragically lost someone you love.
When you have loved someone deeply who has vanished and you are thinking possibly of an unbearable fate
...  and no-one is looking for a living Madeleine
...  then cruelly rejected by a huge number of unbelieving, accusatory and often sneering people

.... and so the despair and pain builds up


https://youtu.be/DD1ih3Q9otE
   

A beautiful video   One of my favourites, and we lost the superlative Vincent because nobody understood him. ........... (Please ignore the last few seconds.  I dont know how to get rid of them !)


Thank God that Gerry has been strong enough to come through (most of) it, thanks in no small measure to the support he received from his family friends and supporters.
Please may the funds carry on.  Seems OG have something very significant and that they are almost there. 
Please may Justice prevail in this case and the perpetrator/s be put away safely and hopefully Madeleine and other missing children come home


FGS.  It has cost the country less than tuppence per person ... and that tuppence is spread over more than 6 years
So only a third of a penny per year!!

Only six years of looking for a child who has been missing for well over eleven years. 

Madeleine was written off as dead by official investigators shortly after she disappeared ... the search for her is therefore more than justified for as long as long as Scotland Yard think there is work still to be done ... the fact they have asked for the funding to enable them to continue shows that they do not think the end of the road has been reached yet.

I hope their request for additional funds is successful.  Having come this far, why on earth spoil the ship for a ha'porth of tar?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: misty on September 30, 2018, 12:57:18 AM
Gerry certainly is. ‘ the wind was blowing hard that night and the shutters were creaking’.

Funny how not one person mentions this howling gale in their statements.

That's because he was speaking about the night they called Alan Pike, not the night Madeleine disappeared.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: misty on September 30, 2018, 01:00:20 AM
I don't. I think he is talking about the stars on Madeleine's bedroom ceiling sadie.  Perhaps he hasn't looked at them in a while.

Or maybe he just doesn't go in at night, when they glow in the dark.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 01:05:03 AM
That's because he was speaking about the night they called Alan Pike, not the night Madeleine disappeared.

I think you need to listen to the programme again Misty.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on September 30, 2018, 01:18:15 AM
Gerry certainly is. ‘ the wind was blowing hard that night and the shutters were creaking’.

Funny how not one person mentions this howling gale in their statements.

It was gusting and not a howling gale, on the night that Madeleine disappeared.  You are talking about a different night as Brietta points out.

Please do not twist the facts or exaggerate, just to win a few points and put Gerry down.  &%^^
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 01:20:50 AM
It was gusting and not a howling gale.

Please dio not exaggerate, just to win a few points and put Gerry down

Did you hear Gerry’s interview?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: misty on September 30, 2018, 01:21:30 AM
I think you need to listen to the programme again Misty.

Listen from 25m.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b0bl6s2v
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 01:29:51 AM
Listen from 25m.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b0bl6s2v

‘ Really windy that whole week’.

No it wasn’t. No one mentions it being ‘really windy’ on the 3rd or indeed any other night that week. If it was I doubt they would have been sitting out under what was basically a tent.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: misty on September 30, 2018, 01:34:10 AM
I refer you to your post about "that night". Gerry was not talking about the night Madeleine went missing.



Gerry certainly is. ‘ the wind was blowing hard that night and the shutters were creaking’.

Funny how not one person mentions this howling gale in their statements.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Brietta on September 30, 2018, 02:16:39 AM
I refer you to your post about "that night". Gerry was not talking about the night Madeleine went missing.

I got to know Gerald McCann and Kate Healy on Saturday, May 5, 2007.

I would describe my relationship with them in totally clinical terms.

I provided them counselling help with regards to their emotional state provoked by the fact that they were separated from their daughter Madeleine.

I spoke with Gerry and Kate very early in the morning on the 5th of May, 2007.

Our services were requested by the Mark Warner agency.
I travelled specifically to speak to them in person, and with the family and agency functionaries.

Kate and Gerry had been awake for two nights when I got to know them.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ALAN-PIKE.htm
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 08:03:36 AM
Gerry certainly is. ‘ the wind was blowing hard that night and the shutters were creaking’.

Funny how not one person mentions this howling gale in their statements.
Did you listen to the whole programme?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 08:05:32 AM
‘ Really windy that whole week’.

No it wasn’t. No one mentions it being ‘really windy’ on the 3rd or indeed any other night that week. If it was I doubt they would have been sitting out under what was basically a tent.
Why do you think they have this “basically a tent” thing then?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: barrier on September 30, 2018, 08:25:33 AM
Passing a newsagents yesterday the Star had this headline.

"Madeleine McCann snatcher WILL strike again says top cop"



What was it Rowley said.

"There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense".
 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 08:32:50 AM
Passing a newsagents yesterday the Star had this headline.

"Madeleine McCann snatcher WILL strike again says top cop"



What was it Rowley said.

"There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense".
Headlines are designed to stand out, catch your eye (it worked didn’t it?) but often don’t reflect the content.
“But former Metropolitan Police counter-terrorism detective David Videcette said every lead officers have about the case should be followed up in case the abductor strikes again.

He told Good Morning Britain: “If she had been abducted then we need to catch whoever did it.

“However much money we spend on this case we’ll save on the next case if we catch that person.’”
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 08:52:22 AM

A British Citizen was abducted by a stranger while abroad.  This cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.
All British Citizens are entitled to protection from Agents of The Crown while travelling on a British Passport.  This alone is sufficient to justify the cost of Operation Grange.
Hopefully anyone else thinking of trying this on will think twice.  Don't mess with British Citizens.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 30, 2018, 08:55:11 AM
A British Citizen was abducted by a stranger while abroad.  This cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.
All British Citizens are entitled to protection from Agents of The Crown while travelling on a British Passport.  This alone is sufficient to justify the cost of Operation Grange.
Hopefully anyone else thinking of trying this on will think twice.  Don't mess with British Citizens.

Civis Brittanicus sum
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 09:11:48 AM
I’ve just listened to the programme Gerry made and found it incredibly moving and sincere.  He speaks at length about Madeleine, what she was like, what their father/daughter relationship was like and about the way her loss has affected both him and his family so very deeply.  Throughout the interview I tried to imagine that this man had callously disposed of his daughter and found it impossible to do so.  I wonder how others are able?  Do they imagine Gerry is such a master actor and deceiver that he was able to hoodwink the Radio 4 team that put this programme together?  Or do they imagine that the Beeb team put the programme on air, believing in their hearts that this man knows more than he’s letting on and is telling great fat fibs, hoping that Gerry’s revelations will lead to some clues as to what really happened?

Oh, and he didn’t say he wasn’t sure if the stars were still up on Madeleine’s bedroom ceiling, he said they were still there the last time he looked.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: slartibartfast on September 30, 2018, 09:22:48 AM
A British Citizen was abducted by a stranger while abroad.  This cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.
All British Citizens are entitled to protection from Agents of The Crown while travelling on a British Passport.  This alone is sufficient to justify the cost of Operation Grange.
Hopefully anyone else thinking of trying this on will think twice.  Don't mess with British Citizens.

Ah, so we now bring jingoism into play.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: barrier on September 30, 2018, 09:25:40 AM
A British Citizen was abducted by a stranger while abroad.  This cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.
All British Citizens are entitled to protection from Agents of The Crown while travelling on a British Passport.  This alone is sufficient to justify the cost of Operation Grange.
Hopefully anyone else thinking of trying this on will think twice.  Don't mess with British Citizens.

Which british citizen was abducted,I've heard rumour but yet to see it confirmed.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: jassi on September 30, 2018, 09:25:51 AM
Ah, so we now bring jingoism into play.

Where's the gunboat when you need it.  8)-)))
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: barrier on September 30, 2018, 09:27:38 AM
Where's the gunboat when you need it.  8)-)))

Circling the Tory conference.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 09:30:56 AM
Ah, so we now bring jingoism into play.

What?  Where did I say that?

I sincerely hope that every country would attempt to protect their citizens while travelling abroad.

In this instance we are talking about a British Citizen.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 09:34:59 AM

There is always Gun Boat if you need one.  Or other Boats.  Think on Dunkirk.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: slartibartfast on September 30, 2018, 09:40:05 AM
There is always Gun Boat if you need one.  Or other Boats.  Think on Dunkirk.

There you go again...
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: jassi on September 30, 2018, 09:40:20 AM
There is always Gun Boat if you need one.  Or other Boats. Think on Dunkirk.

Why? It was a major set-back to the war effort.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: barrier on September 30, 2018, 09:44:18 AM
Why? It was a major set-back to the war effort.
Luckily barbarossa was more on the German mind.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: slartibartfast on September 30, 2018, 09:48:38 AM
Trafficking, smuggling, drug production and distribution, slavery etc. are some of the most lucrative global money making occupations afflicting humanity.

They started as piracy, Privateering, smuggling and raiding other countries to steal their wealth etc.  Much of it was started by Kings , Aristocrats, and Powers That Be

Alice seems to know a lot about it.  His Avatars have included a pirate, a Viking axe, a Viking helmet IIRC, ... plus also using the Christian and original family name of an English family who became British Aristocrats,.   This was written in a way that indicated that he seemed to know the family imo.  This family were Privateers and made their massive wealth and built their pile, probably slave labour (imo) from the proceeds of Privateering.  Titles were awarded historically to many men who brutally raised wealth for Kings and the like, through Privateeering

Ask Alice.  I feel sure that he will be able to enlighten you with his interest in kit all.  I think he said that he was from Viking descent, which a lot of us are because they raped or butchered  everyone in sight in The British Isles.   


All fact or in my opinion.

Raping and butchering tends to cut down on descendants. You probably need to research more history. Non of the invasions of Britain replaced the population.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 09:53:07 AM
Oh dear.  So many people who despise Britain.  I might live in France but I am still British.

And Madeleine is still a British Citizen, entitled to the best efforts, as are all of you.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 09:53:20 AM
Raping and butchering tends to cut down on descendants. You probably need to research more history. Non of the invasions of Britain replaced the population.
I think you’ll find that some invasions of Britain had more of an effect on the indigenous population than others
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 09:54:48 AM
Why? It was a major set-back to the war effort.

Those efforts saved a lot of lives.  Better off dead or in prison camps, would they have been?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 09:59:24 AM

The reaction to my Comment has really shocked me.

All Citizens of any country are entitled to the protection of their Passports while travelling abroad.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 30, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
He may have had a special relationship with his daughter, and been distraught on the night it had to  involve the police and what to tell the family etc-  did he say in that interview 'we should never have left those children alone'?

 He also had the opportunity to say she may have wandered out of the unlocked apartment. Sticking to that ole story I see. Quite a revelation  that night is  blurry? he forgets already, but remembers it was very windy and the shutters were making a noise. Hmmm O k.

My opinion is he may have loved his children in some way, but his own arrorgance, and selfish personality did come across duing those  first months after MBM was reported to have disappeared.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: slartibartfast on September 30, 2018, 10:00:13 AM
Oh dear.  So many people who despise Britain.  I might live in France but I am still British.

And Madeleine is still a British Citizen, entitled to the best efforts, as are all of you.

I thought there was a separate Brexit area?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 10:07:29 AM
I refer you to your post about "that night". Gerry was not talking about the night Madeleine went missing.

He said it was very windy ‘all week’. I presume all week includes that night.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 30, 2018, 10:07:47 AM
The reaction to my Comment has really shocked me.

All Citizens of any country are entitled to the protection of their Passports while travelling abroad.

I would bite my fists at any paedophile or drug smuggler getting any help . British or no British- I wouldn't lose any sleep at all.

We have prisons in this coutry for good reasons ie not all British people are wonderful.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: jassi on September 30, 2018, 10:09:01 AM
Those efforts saved a lot of lives.  Better off dead or in prison camps, would they have been?

Many of the BEF did end up dead or in prison camps.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 30, 2018, 10:12:00 AM
He said it was very windy ‘all week’. I presume all week includes that night.

Yes, interesting. the' windy thing' He claimed he left his daughter on top of the covers as he left her....(His loving dad moment). Kate said she left her under the covers all sniggled.. as it was cold..

Ah well seems they have forgotten about these things that cannot be explained ...
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 10:22:31 AM
I thought there was a separate Brexit area?

What does that mean?

I didn't vote for Brexit because I didn't have a vote, but I would have done if I had, because I believe that Brexit is best for Britain.

But none of this has anything to do with Madeleine's right to protection in whatever form it can be found.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 10:25:36 AM
Many of the BEF did end up dead or in prison camps.

But a large number did escape, due to the wonderful efforts of their country men.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 10:31:25 AM
Yes, interesting. the' windy thing' He claimed he left his daughter on top of the covers as he left her....(His loving dad moment). Kate said she left her under the covers all sniggled.. as it was cold..

Ah well seems they have forgotten about these things that cannot be explained ...

Ah yes that very clever thing Gerry does......he doesn’t want to be caught out on a specific untruth so he says one thing and leaves the listener to draw their own conclusions from it ie it was windy all that week......it must have been windy on the night of the third.
Madeleine came through one night and told us that Amelie had woken her........ah that explains Mrs Fenn’s claims.

Gerry McCann....the master of the misdirection.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:33:12 AM
He said it was very windy ‘all week’. I presume all week includes that night.
So was he lying when he said it was very windy all week? 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:36:24 AM
Ah yes that very clever thing Gerry does......he doesn’t want to be caught out on a specific untruth so he says one thing and leaves the listener to draw their own conclusions from it ie it was windy all that week......it must have been windy on the night of the third.
Madeleine came through one night and told us that Amelie had woken her........ah that explains Mrs Fenn’s claims.

Gerry McCann....the master of the misdirection.
@)(++(* Oh dear, do you REALLY think this interview was a subtle attempt by Gerry to fool listeners into believing it was very windy the week Madeleine went missing?  And most people listening are going to think “oh it was very windy therefore Gerry must be completely innocent”?  Is this really the best you can come up with, the only thing of note in the whole programme?  I despair, I really do.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 10:38:06 AM
@)(++(* Oh dear, do you REALLY think this interview was a subtle attempt by Gerry to fool listeners into believing it was very windy the week Madeleine went missing?  And most people listening are going to think “oh it was very windy therefore Gerry must be completely innocent”?  Is this really the best you can come up with, the only thing of note in the whole programme?  I despair, I really do.

#MeToo.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on September 30, 2018, 10:39:23 AM
So was he lying when he said it was very windy all week?
  No doubt there  will probably be those who listened to that broadcast who can actually prove it wasn’t windy .
Would there have been a  children’s sailing event had it been windy ?
Would you be able to play tennis if it was incredibly windy ?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:41:36 AM
  No doubt there  will probably be those who listened to that broadcast who can actually prove it wasn’t windy .
Would there have been a  children’s sailing event had it been windy ?
Would you be able to play tennis if it was incredibly windy ?
Yes, it all hinges on wind speed this case does you know.  The grief and despair thing was just a smokescreen to get the wind message out there. 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Montclair on September 30, 2018, 10:43:17 AM
Gerry says if was too cold for him and Kate to go out to look for Madeleine. It wasn't too cold and dark for their daughter out there?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 30, 2018, 10:47:48 AM
Gerry says if was too cold for him and Kate to go out to look for Madeleine. It wasn't too cold and dark for their daughter out there?

gerry never said taht...more sceptic myths
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 10:48:22 AM
So was he lying when he said it was very windy all week?

Does he mention it in his statements ? Does anyone ?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:50:00 AM
The average wind speed in Faro on May 3rd 2007 was 18 miles per hour which equates to moderate wind and a 4 on the Beaufort scale

https://www.seabreeze.com.au/Help/Weather/What-is-the-Beaufort-Scale_1573065.aspx

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/LPFR/date/2007-5-3?req_city=Lagos&req_state=&req_statename=Portugal&mr=1
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 10:51:09 AM
@)(++(* Oh dear, do you REALLY think this interview was a subtle attempt by Gerry to fool listeners into believing it was very windy the week Madeleine went missing?  And most people listening are going to think “oh it was very windy therefore Gerry must be completely innocent”?  Is this really the best you can come up with, the only thing of note in the whole programme?  I despair, I really do.

No I think it was a subtle attempt to convince viewers that Kate’s scenario with the curtains etc could be true.

As I said master ( he thinks ) of the misdirection.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:51:19 AM
Does he mention it in his statements ? Does anyone ?
What bearing do you think they might have thought wind speed mattered to Madeleine’s disappearance at the time they gave their statements?  This really is stepping into the realms of satire now.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
No I think it was a subtle attempt to convince viewers that Kate’s scenario with the curtains etc could be true.

As I said master ( he thinks ) of the misdirection.
Again massive LOLs.  Was Kate’s scenario with the curtains even mentioned in the interview?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 10:52:57 AM
The average wind speed in Faro on May 3rd 2007 was 18 miles per hour which equates to moderate wind and a 4 on the Beaufort scale

https://www.seabreeze.com.au/Help/Weather/What-is-the-Beaufort-Scale_1573065.aspx

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/LPFR/date/2007-5-3?req_city=Lagos&req_state=&req_statename=Portugal&mr=1

Moderate but not ‘very windy’.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:54:35 AM
Moderate but not ‘very windy’.
Tsk tsk, Gerry really needs to brush up on his Beaufort scale before giving another heart-wrenching interview about his thoughts and feelings regarding the loss of his daughter.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 10:54:59 AM
What bearing do you think they might have thought wind speed mattered to Madeleine’s disappearance at the time they gave their statements?  This really is stepping into the realms of satire now.

Several of the tapas mention it being ‘ very cold’ yet none say it was ‘very windy’. You’d have thought that they would if it had been.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 10:55:36 AM
Again massive LOLs.  Was Kate’s scenario with the curtains even mentioned in the interview?

Far too obvious.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:56:24 AM
Several of the tapas mention it being ‘ very cold’ yet none say it was ‘very windy’. You’d have thought that they would if it had been.
So you know it wasn’t very windy do you?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on September 30, 2018, 10:57:36 AM
No I think it was a subtle attempt to convince viewers that Kate’s scenario with the curtains etc could be true.

As I said master ( he thinks ) of the misdirection.
Absolutely !
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:57:50 AM
Far too obvious.
And far too subtle for all but the most die hard sceptic.  Of course that’s why Gerry did the programme though is ‘t it?  To communicate directly with his most vociferous detractors like you.  Genius!
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 11:00:14 AM
Some of you really need to stand back and listen to yourselves IMO.  You are sounding slightly unhinged IMO.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 11:02:50 AM
And far too subtle for all but the most die hard sceptic.  Of course that’s why Gerry did the programme though is ‘t it?  To communicate directly with his most vociferous detractors like you.  Genius!

Not at all and I don’t believe I ever posted that.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 11:04:21 AM
Some of you really need to stand back and listen to yourselves IMO.  You are sounding slightly unhinged IMO.

Welcome to McCannland.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 11:11:05 AM
Gerry says if was too cold for him and Kate to go out to look for Madeleine. It wasn't too cold and dark for their daughter out there?

This is not true.  Gerry did not say that.  It was the middle of the night and dark.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on September 30, 2018, 11:20:17 AM
The Mirror and Mail  has picked up on the broadcast.
How strange,not ,  that the broadcast came at just the right time of year when new funding was hoped for by OG .
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 30, 2018, 11:21:49 AM
The average wind speed in Faro on May 3rd 2007 was 18 miles per hour which equates to moderate wind and a 4 on the Beaufort scale

https://www.seabreeze.com.au/Help/Weather/What-is-the-Beaufort-Scale_1573065.aspx

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/LPFR/date/2007-5-3?req_city=Lagos&req_state=&req_statename=Portugal&mr=1
Average - so at times the wind will be faster than 18 miles hour.  I think that would be called windy if you were on holiday hoping for sunny weather.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Montclair on September 30, 2018, 11:29:33 AM
This is not true.  Gerry did not say that.  It was the middle of the night and dark.

He told Kate to wait until it was light to search for Maddie. It was the middle of the night and dark for Maddie too!
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: jassi on September 30, 2018, 11:33:41 AM
He told Kate to wait until it was light to search for Maddie. It was the middle of the night and dark for Maddie too!

Maybe this was why they moved from 4G to 5H, where there would be someone to look after their children so that  they could go out to do what they had to do.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on September 30, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
Average - so at times the wind will be faster than 18 miles hour.  I think that would be called windy if you were on holiday hoping for sunny weather.
It was very sunny when the alleged last photo  was taken ,May 3rd  ? Would the children have been dressed like that and  sit a round the pool if it was quite windy ?

Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 11:40:51 AM
The Mirror and Mail  has picked up on the broadcast.
How strange,not ,  that the broadcast came at just the right time of year when new funding was hoped for by OG .

Let's hope they get it.  Which they probably will.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 30, 2018, 12:09:09 PM
Average - so at times the wind will be faster than 18 miles hour.  I think that would be called windy if you were on holiday hoping for sunny weather.

4078 "And we covered the weather, you can't remember it being a particularly windy night.'

Reply "No I don't remember much about the weather on that night err I'm just thinking more about when we were actually running along the beach and along the err and along the front doing the, the search and I don't recall it being err particularly windy.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 30, 2018, 12:13:43 PM
A British Citizen was abducted by a stranger while abroad.  This cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.
All British Citizens are entitled to protection from Agents of The Crown while travelling on a British Passport.  This alone is sufficient to justify the cost of Operation Grange.
Hopefully anyone else thinking of trying this on will think twice.  Don't mess with British Citizens.

Try telling that to British citizens who languish in foreign jails, some without charge.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 12:14:24 PM
4078 "And we covered the weather, you can't remember it being a particularly windy night.'

Reply "No I don't remember much about the weather on that night err I'm just thinking more about when we were actually running along the beach and along the err and along the front doing the, the search and I don't recall it being err particularly windy.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

So why is Gerry trying to convince the world and his wife that it was ‘very windy’ ?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 30, 2018, 12:18:33 PM
Where's the gunboat when you need it.  8)-)))

It is being commissioned and taking delivery of its aircraft isn't it ?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on September 30, 2018, 12:20:18 PM
It is being commissioned and taking delivery of its aircraft isn't it ?

You obviously don't know much about Gun Boats.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 12:29:16 PM
Welcome to McCannland.
It's not a good look though is it?  Fixating on the "very windy" comment virtually to the exclusion of all else, including the poignant poem so beautifully read, the heartfelt emotion from the father, the touching and vivid memories of a beautiful and much loved child etc. 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 12:30:25 PM
It would appear Rowley’s 10th Anniversary reflections on the case has disappeared too.

http://news.met.police.uk/documents/transcript-of-interview-with-ac-mark-rowley-66743
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 30, 2018, 12:36:28 PM
Trafficking, smuggling, drug production and distribution, slavery etc. are some of the most lucrative global money making occupations afflicting humanity.

They started as piracy, Privateering, smuggling and raiding other countries to steal their wealth etc.  Much of it was started by Kings , Aristocrats, and Powers That Be

Alice seems to know a lot about it.  His Avatars have included a pirate, a Viking axe, a Viking helmet IIRC, ... plus also using the Christian and original family name of an English family who became British Aristocrats,.   This was written in a way that indicated that he seemed to know the family imo.  This family were Privateers and made their massive wealth and built their pile, probably slave labour (imo) from the proceeds of Privateering.  Titles were awarded historically to many men who brutally raised wealth for Kings and the like, through Privateeering

Ask Alice.  I feel sure that he will be able to enlighten you with his interest in kit all.  I think he said that he was from Viking descent, which a lot of us are because they raped or butchered  everyone in sight in The British Isles.   


All fact or in my opinion.

Myth! The Vikings were predominantly traders as well as being raiders.
Only about 5% of the British Isles population in reality [3,000,000 ish] is of direct descent. One needs to have a specific gene to be able to claim indisputable descendancy from the Vikings.... ?{)(**
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 12:43:35 PM
It would appear Rowley’s 10th Anniversary reflections on the case has disappeared too.

http://news.met.police.uk/documents/transcript-of-interview-with-ac-mark-rowley-66743
How do you manage to find the time to keep such close tabs on all these mysteriously disappearing pages that seem to give you such succour and strength to carry on?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 30, 2018, 12:44:09 PM
The average wind speed in Faro on May 3rd 2007 was 18 miles per hour which equates to moderate wind and a 4 on the Beaufort scale

https://www.seabreeze.com.au/Help/Weather/What-is-the-Beaufort-Scale_1573065.aspx

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/LPFR/date/2007-5-3?req_city=Lagos&req_state=&req_statename=Portugal&mr=1

.
So you are going into bat based on weather conditions nearly 100 klicks away?
Yeah right on.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: jassi on September 30, 2018, 12:45:49 PM
How do you manage to find the time to keep such close tabs on all these mysteriously disappearing pages that seem to give you such succour and strength to carry on?

Similar motivation as those who cut and paste great swathes of nothingness to these pages, I guess.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 12:46:31 PM
How do you manage to find the time to keep such close tabs on all these mysteriously disappearing pages that seem to give you such succour and strength to carry on?

I didn’t find it, I’m simply the messenger.

Odd though.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 12:50:00 PM
I didn’t find it, I’m simply the messenger.

Odd though.
Hmmm....arrests must be imminent.... ?>)()<
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 30, 2018, 12:50:46 PM
You obviously don't know much about Gun Boats.


That was irony on my part. Sort of like naval brassy but in iron.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 12:51:11 PM
Hmmm....arrests must be imminent.... ?>)()<

What makes you think that ?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: jassi on September 30, 2018, 12:52:34 PM
Hmmm....arrests must be imminent.... ?>)()<

Certainly be nice to think that OG had finally achieved something.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 12:59:45 PM
What makes you think that ?
What other possible reason could there be for Mark Rowley's thoughts on Madeleine's disappearance and OP Grange to be removed, hmm...?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on September 30, 2018, 01:00:50 PM
Yes, interesting. the' windy thing' He claimed he left his daughter on top of the covers as he left her....(His loving dad moment). Kate said she left her under the covers all sniggled.. as it was cold..

Ah well seems they have forgotten about these things that cannot be explained ...

Simples:

Gerry left Madeleine on top of the bed.  Kate popped in last and thought it a bit cold, so covered her.  No mystery there



Think about it Mistaken.  Depth of thought and logic is useful in circumstances likie these.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 01:00:57 PM
.
So you are going into bat based on weather conditions nearly 100 klicks away?
Yeah right on.
It seems to have been sufficient for the denizens of the might CMOMM forum who appear to have based their entire thesis on these stats. 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 30, 2018, 01:04:04 PM
Certainly be nice to think that OG had finally achieved something.


Well considering they only were supposed to go and review a case, you know pick up bits PJ missed. Looks like they didn't miss anything.


No one is actually fixating on a doting ,loving father reading a poem.   what gives rise to suspect not is all as it seems is; remembering  it was very windy all week when it wasn't, and not remembering much about that night?
His wife wanted to search in any condition, but he moans it is too dark and cold. Yeah OK... loving father if you say so.

In my opinion this is a final attempt to  try and sway the public that they are special and deserve special treatment- irony  for those who try to avoid the media ....  I wonder who set that up- it certainly wasn't on the wish list of many millions of the public was it?  OG will have a plentyfull supply of hankies Im sure.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Erngath on September 30, 2018, 01:10:07 PM
It's not a good look though is it?  Fixating on the "very windy" comment virtually to the exclusion of all else, including the poignant poem so beautifully read, the heartfelt emotion from the father, the touching and vivid memories of a beautiful and much loved child etc.

I've managed to listen to the broadcast this morning.
It was indeed all that you describe.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Sunny on September 30, 2018, 01:12:12 PM
Simples:

Gerry left Madeleine on top of the bed.  Kate popped in last and thought it a bit cold, so covered her.  No mystery there



Think about it Mistaken.  Depth of thought and logic is useful in circumstances likie these.

Didn't Kate not check the children until she raised the alarm as Madeleine wasn't there? How could she cover her?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: slartibartfast on September 30, 2018, 01:13:13 PM
Simples:

Gerry left Madeleine on top of the bed.  Kate popped in last and thought it a bit cold, so covered her.  No mystery there



Think about it Mistaken.  Depth of thought and logic is useful in circumstances likie these.

Ah right, just invent something to explain the discrepancies.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 30, 2018, 01:17:14 PM
Simples:

Gerry left Madeleine on top of the bed.  Kate popped in last and thought it a bit cold, so covered her.  No mystery there



Think about it Mistaken.  Depth of thought and logic is useful in circumstances likie these.


Ah you were there... sorry I FORGOT.my bad.


But just in case. let us run this- to ease Gerrys mind and cover his tracks as is what you are trying to do-unsuccessfully,  was it hot or cold that night because what we have here is a child is hot- daddy lays on top of bed, then it is cold few minutes later- and mummy covers her up all snuggles like, and when daddy does his loving daughter bit there she is laying just the way he left her on top of the bed.


Ah, no worries just these wee niggly things...
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on September 30, 2018, 01:19:43 PM
Simples:

Gerry left Madeleine on top of the bed.  Kate popped in last and thought it a bit cold, so covered her.  No mystery there



Think about it Mistaken.  Depth of thought and logic is useful in circumstances likie these.
  *&^^&
Madeleine was gone , according to her  , when Kate made her only check ?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 01:20:57 PM
  *&^^&
Madeleine was gone when Kate made her only check ?
I don't think Sadie was referring to when Kate did her check, but before leaving the apartment at 8.30pm. 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on September 30, 2018, 01:29:18 PM
I don't think Sadie was referring to when Kate did her check, but before leaving the apartment at 8.30pm.
Ok  , if how you read it .That being so one parent thought it was hot enough for Madeleineto sleep on top of the covers ,another didn’t ? That being said would  it have mattered that much her being on top of the covers  ,I mean they did say they were checking every half hour?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Sunny on September 30, 2018, 01:31:39 PM
I don't think Sadie was referring to when Kate did her check, but before leaving the apartment at 8.30pm.

Did Gerry say Madeleine was on the top of the bed before his 9.04 check?

21:04. He remembers that once inside the apartment he thought strange only the fact of the door to the children's room being slightly more open than how the defendant had left it when he and Kate left for dinner. However, he puts the hypothesis of [proposes; suggests] it having been Madeleine opening that door after having woken and having got up, possibly to go to her parents' room. On this occasion the three children were lying in their beds and asleep, he is sure of that. Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and the blanket, both pink, next to her head, not knowing if they were placed in the position in which one can see them in the photograph attached to the files.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 30, 2018, 01:35:08 PM
It seems to have been sufficient for the denizens of the might CMOMM forum who appear to have based their entire thesis on these stats.

That is scarcely an adequate reason for you to follow suit is it? Unless you wish to look as daft as them of course.
"What's the weather like in Manchester ? Well it's blowing a forced 8 and pissing with rain in Hull" is a reasonable approximation for what you have done.
You are a caution.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 30, 2018, 01:35:56 PM
Ok  , if how you read it .That being so one parent thought it was hot enough for Madeleineto sleep on top of the covers ,another didn’t ? That being said would  it have mattered that much her being on top of the covers  ,I mean they did say they were checking every half hour?

Yes, but they were only listening at doors. It must have still been very warm at Gerrys check because he left her on top of the covers again didn't he.

This seems to contradict JT being concerned that a child was being carried about out on a cold night with no shoes or socks on.  hmm it is perplexing isn't it.

 Someone mentioned it was like the keystone cops?.. Hell yeah the drama does have a smack of Charlie Chaplin theartre.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 02:42:30 PM
That is scarcely an adequate reason for you to follow suit is it? Unless you wish to look as daft as them of course.
"What's the weather like in Manchester ? Well it's blowing a forced 8 and pissing with rain in Hull" is a reasonable approximation for what you have done.
You are a caution.
I agree it is quite daft, however as there is no recourse to any more accurate information it's all we have to go on I'm afraid.  Of course, Gerry was actually there and says it was windy, Faithlilly wasn't actually there and is calling him a liar, intent on deceiving the general public about weather conditions.  Take your pick on who you believe. 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: slartibartfast on September 30, 2018, 05:11:40 PM
That is scarcely an adequate reason for you to follow suit is it? Unless you wish to look as daft as them of course.
"What's the weather like in Manchester ? Well it's blowing a forced 8 and pissing with rain in Hull" is a reasonable approximation for what you have done.
You are a caution.

It’s a bit Father Ted, small - far away.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 30, 2018, 05:29:08 PM
I agree it is quite daft, however as there is no recourse to any more accurate information it's all we have to go on I'm afraid.  Of course, Gerry was actually there and says it was windy, Faithlilly wasn't actually there and is calling him a liar, intent on deceiving the general public about weather conditions.  Take your pick on who you believe.

Ze lows of pheeseecs dictate there will be an offshore breeze after sunset which will affect any prevailing wind locally. Beyond that I haven't a clue and would believe neither party until I could corroborate it from another source were it integral to "what I do".
"Creaking shutters" was a nice bit of poetic licence I think. Metal slats tend not to creak rather they rattle given they have sufficient clearance/backlash
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 30, 2018, 05:46:28 PM
Ze lows of pheeseecs dictate there will be an offshore breeze after sunset which will affect any prevailing wind locally. Beyond that I haven't a clue and would believe neither party until I could corroborate it from another source were it integral to "what I do".
"Creaking shutters" was a nice bit of poetic licence I think. Metal slats tend not to creak rather they rattle given they have sufficient clearance/backlash
Have you applied for Stephen Hawking's old job?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 05:50:27 PM
Ze lows of pheeseecs dictate there will be an offshore breeze after sunset which will affect any prevailing wind locally. Beyond that I haven't a clue and would believe neither party until I could corroborate it from another source were it integral to "what I do".
"Creaking shutters" was a nice bit of poetic licence I think. Metal slats tend not to creak rather they rattle given they have sufficient clearance/backlash
It’s a shame that the Radio 4 editors didn’t submit each word of Gerry’s interview to the same degree of semantic scrutiny and insist that he choose precise words and terminology for every utterance - so much of this discussion would then be unnecessary.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: jassi on September 30, 2018, 05:54:54 PM
Quite. If the prog had been subjected to a polygraph it would probably have ended on the cutting room floor.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 30, 2018, 06:11:19 PM
Quite. If the prog had been subjected to a polygraph it would probably have ended on the cutting room floor.
Very poetical.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 06:19:02 PM
Quite. If the prog had been subjected to a polygraph it would probably have ended on the cutting room floor.
Yes, because it would have sounded like a complete pack of lies to you, not that I suppose for one minute you actually bothered to listen to it...
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 30, 2018, 06:24:55 PM
Yes, because it would have sounded like a complete pack of lies to you, not that I suppose for one minute you actually bothered to listen to it...
Well did you listen to listen to it Jassi?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 30, 2018, 06:31:45 PM
It’s a shame that the Radio 4 editors didn’t submit each word of Gerry’s interview to the same degree of semantic scrutiny and insist that he choose precise words and terminology for every utterance - so much of this discussion would then be unnecessary.

It's no worse than the way Sr Amaral's utterances are scrutinised and subjected to personal interpretation.
In fact looking at the forum over past 18 months or so it seems every single statement by anyone is being subjected to the same sort of treatment.

Now does everyone remember Hilary Clinton?  and the dodging sniper bullets when she and Bill disembarked from Air Force 1, anecdote?. Well she was there and we weren't so she should know best shouldn't she? That was when she coined the phrase "misspeaking" a.ka. lying in your in your teeth, when some miserable scroat dug up the news reel footage which was at variance to her "recollection".
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: jassi on September 30, 2018, 06:36:10 PM
Well did you listen to listen to it Jassi?

For my sins - every nauseating  whiny word.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 06:37:47 PM
For my sins - every nauseating  whiny word.
Why did you subject yourself to such torture?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 06:40:45 PM
It's no worse than the way Sr Amaral's utterances are scrutinised and subjected to personal interpretation.
In fact looking at the forum over past 18 months or so it seems every single statement by anyone is being subjected to the same sort of treatment.

Now does everyone remember Hilary Clinton?  and the dodging sniper bullets when she and Bill disembarked from Air Force 1, anecdote?. Well she was there and we weren't so she should know best shouldn't she? That was when she coined the phrase "misspeaking" a.ka. lying in your in your teeth, when some miserable scroat dug up the news reel footage which was at variance to her "recollection".
Why don’t you dig up some news reel to prove that Gerry was mistaken about it being windy then?  If not you, then someone else will probably be happy to oblige.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 06:43:28 PM
IMO only a very damaged and deeply cynical person could be so callous as to describe Gerry’s contribution to the R4 programme as “nauseating” and “whiny” . 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: jassi on September 30, 2018, 06:48:58 PM
Why did you subject yourself to such torture?

Damned if I know really but I suppose it's abit like picking at a scab - you know you shouldn't, but can't resist.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: jassi on September 30, 2018, 06:49:37 PM
IMO only a very damaged and deeply cynical person could be so callous as to describe Gerry’s contribution to the R4 programme as “nauseating” and “whiny” .  I guess it’s the same sort of mentality shared by those who troll Fb pages set up in memory of the recently deceased.
Your assessment is of no interest, old boy.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 06:53:41 PM
Damned if I know really but I suppose it's abit like picking at a scab - you know you shouldn't, but can't resist.
Isn’t it time you grew out of bad habits? 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 30, 2018, 07:54:57 PM
For my sins - every nauseating  whiny word.
Bless you.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 30, 2018, 07:59:20 PM
Why don’t you dig up some news reel to prove that Gerry was mistaken about it being windy then?  If not you, then someone else will probably be happy to oblige.

My post was taking the piss out of your notion that a persons presence automatically makes them a reliable witness with an example that demonstrates how asinine the notion is.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: John on September 30, 2018, 09:29:38 PM
Can the MSM still not get the basics right.  In this latest article the Mail refer to the cardiologist as a surgeon?  Someone please tell them that a surgeon is a physician who performs surgical operations while a cardiologist is a doctor with special training and skill in finding, treating and preventing diseases of the heart and blood vessels.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6222965/Gerry-McCann-insists-Maddie-alive-cuddle-again.html
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Montclair on September 30, 2018, 09:55:54 PM
Can the MSM still not get the basics right.  In this latest article the Mail refer to the cardiologist as a surgeon?  Someone please tell them that a surgeon is a physician who performs surgical operations while a cardiologist is a doctor with special training and skill in finding, treating and preventing diseases of the heart and blood vessels.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6222965/Gerry-McCann-insists-Maddie-alive-cuddle-again.html

You ask too much!
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:10:38 PM
My post was taking the piss out of your notion that a persons presence automatically makes them a reliable witness with an example that demonstrates how asinine the notion is.
When the (non) issue of how windy it was during a week in Praia Da Luz in 2007 I’ll take Gerry’s word as slightly more reliable than yours or Faithlilly’s, no matter how asinine you believe that notion to be, Mr Takethepiss.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 10:19:06 PM
When the (non) issue of how windy it was during a week in Praia Da Luz in 2007 I’ll take Gerry’s word as slightly more reliable than yours or Faithlilly’s, no matter how asinine you believe that notion to be, Mr Takethepiss.  @)(++(*

And I don’t think Gerry could lie straight in bed but hey we’re all different. Some of us have a higher bullsh*t tolerance I guess.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:28:36 PM
And I don’t think Gerry could lie straight in bed but hey we’re all different. Some of us have a higher bullsh*t tolerance I guess.
So did you listen to that R4 programme?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on September 30, 2018, 10:36:11 PM
So did you listen to that R4 programme?

Yes.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 30, 2018, 10:55:18 PM
Yes.
And you thought it was a cynical pack of lies from start to finsh then?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: puglove on September 30, 2018, 10:57:03 PM
Yes.other

I listened, too. I might be wrong, and this isn't my fight, but I heard an angry man who is desperately sad, but will never admit that he and his wife made a massive mistake. They blame everyone else but themselves.

The thing is....however bad it is, it's bad for other folk, too. Personally, I look at my grandchildren, their small limbs, their silky hair, their innocence.....and I am so f*cking angry with the McCanns. How dare they be so stupid to do what they did? Was a dodgy cheap tapas meal more important than......I give up.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 01, 2018, 12:10:18 AM
I listened, too. I might be wrong, and this isn't my fight, but I heard an angry man who is desperately sad, but will never admit that he and his wife made a massive mistake. They blame everyone else but themselves.

The thing is....however bad it is, it's bad for other folk, too. Personally, I look at my grandchildren, their small limbs, their silky hair, their innocence.....and I am so f*cking angry with the McCanns. How dare they be so stupid to do what they did? Was a dodgy cheap tapas meal more important than......I give up.

You can't teach common sense!!
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 01, 2018, 12:38:40 AM
Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing
He's opened up in his first in-depth interview
SEPTEMBER 29, 2018

Madeleine McCann's father Gerry has opened up about life at home with his daughter before she went missing, in a candid and heartbreaking interview about grief and loss.

He described his relationship with Maddie as "incredibly special" on Radio 4, and said: "I formed a very strong bond with her from a young age," before adding: "One of the TV shows we watched together was Dr Who, which people might think, 'You can't have a three-year-old watching Dr Who,' but she loved it.
I would often do the bedtime story with Madeleine too, she had stars above her bed and that was our time."

He also fondly remembered: "I'd take her to the local swimming pool and she would march around the pool and go up to her instructor with her cap and goggles on, smiling - no anxiety about it, she just went in there!"

Talking about the devastating night Maddie went missing during a family holiday to the Algarve in 2007, Gerry fought back the tears as he recalled: "It was disbelief, then panic and terror. I could only think of one scenario at that time.
I remember just being in the bedroom [with wife Kate], distraught - the two of us just completely distraught.
The pain, feeling helpless and alone together. It was the most painful realisation and we couldn't get the darkest thoughts out of our minds."

Highlighting the importance of seeking help for mental health during loss or grief, Gerry shared his own experiences of a counsellor, saying: "We went back to the apartment and the counsellor arrived, Alan, and at the time I just didn't think I was the kind of person who would need counselling or respond to it.

But he was great and he said, 'I'm here, you can call me any time.'

We were getting more and more distraught, until one of us said, 'Lets phone Alan,' and he came round to the apartment and he started talking to us, just asking about our normal life at home.
After listening to us, Alan said, 'You sound like model parents,' and I suppose at the time, that's something we probably really needed to hear."

Gerry continued to explain that the help of family, friends and the community are what gave the couple strength, adding: "Getting through the nights was the hardest, the thing that kept us afloat was the twins - having two other children - trying to make sure they had enough love and the attention they deserved was incredibly important."

Explaining what life is like eleven years since Maddie's disappearance, he revealed: "Madeleine's room is pretty much as it was, there's a wardrobe full of presents from birthdays and Christmases. I think the stars are even still up there."
https://www.hellomagazine.com/news/2018092962902/gerry-mccann-maddie-interview/

126

Is this the latest McCann machine's attempt to influence the SY funding decision?

If he put some energy into a renewed search in Portugal then he might just attract some credibility.  Truth being he is too busy building a career to bother about a missing daughter.  The hypocrisy is palpable imo.

Actions speak louder than words Gerry!!
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on October 01, 2018, 01:16:01 AM
Is this the latest McCann machine's attempt to influence the SY funding decision?

If he put some energy into a renewed search in Portugal then he might just attract some credibility.  Truth being he is too busy building a career to bother about a missing daughter.  The hypocrisy is palpable imo.

Actions speak louder than words Gerry!!

Gerrys actions have been magnificent and he has influenced The PJ to start searching for Madeleine again.  What a triumph that was !



Much better Angelo, to have the PJ actually searching for a living Madeleine.   Than for one family to trek all around a country
-   whose language they do not know,
-   whose Law they do not know,
-   whose ways of working they do not know
.... and I could go on.

Much better, doncha think?


Do you honestly think, Angelo, that one family searching is better than a whole section of the PJ searching for Madeleine ?
If so, then The PJ must be pretty poor, imo

I am sure that you dont think that !!

Well done to The Mccann family for getting the best people in PT searching for you.  What an achievement to get both The PJ and SY searching..



Not everything is best done physically, Angelo.   Sometimes using ones brain is better.

I would almost guarentee that the combined forces are on to something, but we must be patient.


The British OG search has cost everyone in the UK, 16 pence for the almost 7 1/2 years work already done.   Most of us can afford another additional tuppence if needed for a further years work, can't we ?   


Or are you all Scrouges ?


[Amended: Thanks to slarti for correcting the decimal point.  Thank goodness I am no longer teaching Maths  8)-))) ]
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: slartibartfast on October 01, 2018, 08:06:31 AM
Gerrys actions have been magnificent and he has influenced The PJ to start searching for Madeleine again.  What a triumph that was !



Much better Angelo, to have the PJ actually searching for a living Madeleine.   Than for one family to trek all around a country
-   whose language they do not know,
-   whose Law they do not know,
-   whose ways of working they do not know
.... and I could go on.

Much better, doncha think?


Do you honestly think, Angelo, that one family searching is better than a whole section of the PJ searching for Madeleine ?
If so, then The PJ must be pretty poor, imo

I am sure that you dont think that !!

Well done to The Mccann family for getting the best people in PT searching for you.  What an achievement to get both The PJ and SY searching..



Not everything is best done physically, Angelo.   Sometimes using ones brain is better.

I would almost guarentee that the combined forces are on to something, but we must be patient.


The British OG search has cost everyone in the UK, under 2 pence for the 6 years work already done.   Most of us can afford another tuppence if needed for a further 6 years work, can't we ?   

Or are you all Scrouges ?

Actually it is 16p per person, not a lot I know and I am sure you wouldn’t mind paying for those who struggle to survive day to day and those who don’t agree with OG.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: barrier on October 01, 2018, 08:24:45 AM
Gerrys actions have been magnificent and he has influenced The PJ to start searching for Madeleine again.  What a triumph that was !



Much better Angelo, to have the PJ actually searching for a living Madeleine.   Than for one family to trek all around a country
-   whose language they do not know,
-   whose Law they do not know,
-   whose ways of working they do not know
.... and I could go on.

Much better, doncha think?


Do you honestly think, Angelo, that one family searching is better than a whole section of the PJ searching for Madeleine ?
If so, then The PJ must be pretty poor, imo

I am sure that you dont think that !!

Well done to The Mccann family for getting the best people in PT searching for you.  What an achievement to get both The PJ and SY searching..



Not everything is best done physically, Angelo.   Sometimes using ones brain is better.

I would almost guarentee that the combined forces are on to something, but we must be patient.


The British OG search has cost everyone in the UK, under 2 pence for the 6 years work already done.   Most of us can afford another tuppence if needed for a further 6 years work, can't we ?   

Or are you all Scrouges ?

For not finding what happened?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Montclair on October 01, 2018, 09:25:49 AM
For not finding what happened?

None of us here know what OG is investigating, do we? I for one do not believe that they are wasting their time or money and that they are building a solid case.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on October 01, 2018, 09:54:57 AM
Gerrys actions have been magnificent and he has influenced The PJ to start searching for Madeleine again.  What a triumph that was !



Much better Angelo, to have the PJ actually searching for a living Madeleine.   Than for one family to trek all around a country
-   whose language they do not know,
-   whose Law they do not know,
-   whose ways of working they do not know
.... and I could go on.

Much better, doncha think?


Do you honestly think, Angelo, that one family searching is better than a whole section of the PJ searching for Madeleine ?
If so, then The PJ must be pretty poor, imo

I am sure that you dont think that !!

Well done to The Mccann family for getting the best people in PT searching for you.  What an achievement to get both The PJ and SY searching..



Not everything is best done physically, Angelo.   Sometimes using ones brain is better.

I would almost guarentee that the combined forces are on to something, but we must be patient.


The British OG search has cost everyone in the UK, under 2 pence for the 6 years work already done.   Most of us can afford another tuppence if needed for a further 6 years work, can't we ?   

Or are you all Scrouges ?
Madeleine went missing in Portugal but the McCanns have done nothing, for years, to try to win the hearts and minds of the Portuguese people.

Then there is Fortress Rothley.  I can understand why they cut all incoming lines of communication, but that also shuts out a few people who could progress the search for Madeleine.

It still comes across as Kate and Gerry PR, not one of taking the tough choices to find Madeleine.

IMO
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 01, 2018, 10:01:32 AM
Madeleine went missing in Portugal but the McCanns have done nothing, for years, to try to win the hearts and minds of the Portuguese people.

Then there is Fortress Rothley.  I can understand why they cut all incoming lines of communication, but that also shuts out a few people who could progress the search for Madeleine.

It still comes across as Kate and Gerry PR, not one of taking the tough choices to find Madeleine.

IMO

How can they win the hearts and minds when the Portuguese have been convinced  by amaral they covered up their daughters death... And the SC have supported him
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: xtina on October 01, 2018, 10:22:26 AM
How can they win the hearts and minds when the Portuguese have been convinced  by amaral they covered up their daughters death... And the SC have supported him


No people have enough sense to make there own mind up themselves...

The reason they don't win hearts and minds.... is there own doing...

I think you will find the vast majority of hearts.... go out to maddie..

I listened to the programm....still all about them...

I think he has left all that ...just a little to late....the sympathy ploy has well gone ...in my opinion...

He should have written a book  .......although I doubt it would have been a best seller....
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: barrier on October 01, 2018, 10:27:21 AM

No people have enough sense to make there own mind up themselves...

The reason they don't win hearts and minds.... is there own doing...

I think you will find the vast majority of hearts.... go out to maddie..

I listened to the programm....still all about them...

I think he has left all that ...just a little to late....the sympathy ploy has well gone ...in my opinion...

He should have written a book  .......although I doubt it would have been a best seller....
No need for a book,the Sun and its ilk regularly serialise  the story.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on October 01, 2018, 10:50:55 AM
And you thought it was a cynical pack of lies from start to finsh then?

I think the premise for doing the programme was cynical, I think much of the content was self-serving but what did come across was his undoubted love for Madeleine and the devastation he still suffers due to  the choices he has had to make.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: xtina on October 01, 2018, 11:27:00 AM
No need for a book,the Sun and its ilk regularly serialise  the story.

LOL yes they do and you only have to read the comments ...

To see what readers think of the sob story ...they often publish.......

I thought writing a book would maybe help them get more money....

But then again maybe not..... %56&
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: xtina on October 01, 2018, 11:35:44 AM
Gerrys actions have been magnificent and he has influenced The PJ to start searching for Madeleine again.  What a triumph that was !



Much better Angelo, to have the PJ actually searching for a living Madeleine.   Than for one family to trek all around a country
-   whose language they do not know,
-   whose Law they do not know,
-   whose ways of working they do not know
.... and I could go on.

Much better, doncha think?


Do you honestly think, Angelo, that one family searching is better than a whole section of the PJ searching for Madeleine ?
If so, then The PJ must be pretty poor, imo

I am sure that you dont think that !!

Well done to The Mccann family for getting the best people in PT searching for you.  What an achievement to get both The PJ and SY searching..



Not everything is best done physically, Angelo.   Sometimes using ones brain is better.

I would almost guarentee that the combined forces are on to something, but we must be patient.


The British OG search has cost everyone in the UK, under 2 pence for the 6 years work already done.   Most of us can afford another tuppence if needed for a further 6 years work, can't we ?   

Or are you all Scrouges ?

You mention the work already done ....what have they found ..no further on than PJ

Didn't it all get scaled down years ago...3 or 4 now mainly sat at a desk ....in my opinion...

What are they going to find

It's not as if people care a tuppence for the mccs....and know by now maddie will never be found in my opinion...

You may as well feed the birds as Mary Poppins says .....
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: xtina on October 01, 2018, 11:42:10 AM
IMO only a very damaged and deeply cynical person could be so callous as to describe Gerry’s contribution to the R4 programme as “nauseating” and “whiny” .


The problem here is ....you don't know what he is actually grieving about ...that is the question....

Whatever happened he knows he has lost maddie for ever.....

So the question is was it because he was involved.....or because he had left her to her fate...

In my opinion is my post.....
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: barrier on October 01, 2018, 11:46:36 AM
You mention the work already done ....what have they found ..no further on than PJ

Didn't it all get scaled down years ago...3 or 4 now mainly sat at a desk ....in my opinion...

What are they going to find

It's not as if people care a tuppence for the mccs....and know by now maddie will never be found in my opinion...

You may as well feed the birds as Mary Poppins says .....

Scaled back,October 2015.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on October 01, 2018, 12:04:48 PM
Actually it is 16p per person, not a lot I know and I am sure you wouldn’t mind paying for those who struggle to survive day to day and those who don’t agree with OG.
Thank you for correcting the decimal place.  An hour after midnight is too late for my tired brain to do the simplest maths, it seems !  I have amended my post, but I would like to amend earlier posts on the same theme.  I am happy to adjust these posts: Let's have the correct figures up.

Slarti, I have no worries about the amount that I give supporting others, somrtimes in a way that I really cannot afford.  Can you say the same ?




Another tuppence and all this protesting; it is unbelievable.  We are talking here, imo, of not only looking for Madeleine but also potentially to help bring further missing children home.

And MOST IMPORTANTLY to bring a Global Trafficking group to Justice IMO.   These perps must be removed from society where they are serial child abductors.   The rings must be broken up and as soon as possible.  All in my honest opinion.

However, these gangs are soundly built, their Modus Operandi well honed, tried and tested over generations and have been operating for milleniums
...  and just like the PHOENIX they will rise again imo  %#&%4%   They make a fortune out of it.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on October 01, 2018, 12:45:00 PM
For not finding what happened?
Wait and see
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on October 01, 2018, 01:43:14 PM


 
Madeleine went missing in Portugal but the McCanns have done nothing, for years, to try to win the hearts and minds of the Portuguese people.

Then there is Fortress Rothley.  I can understand why they cut all incoming lines of communication, but that also shuts out a few people who could progress the search for Madeleine.

It still comes across as Kate and Gerry PR, not one of taking the tough choices to find Madeleine.

IMO
They had a team of volunteers around them to help them.   

100 volunteers, strangers who had come forward to help ... and some were NOT supporters; they were effectively spies and disrupters.   They had sneaked in unnoticed and were actively preventing worthwhile information from getting thru IMO.
................


I came back from an amazing investigative trip to PT with some outstanding information .... stuff that no-one, prior to that, had even thought of looking at ... and which I believe that OG are still looking at.

I tried to pass it on to this volunteer team and some woman on the phone REFUSED to take it,.  Point blank she refused it, despite it being of significant importance and very obviously so.  She was not a supporter, but a spy, anxious IMO to refuse any proper info getting thru.  Who put her there?


Since then she has appeared on here, as a member.   She showed herself as an avid detractor from the Mccanns. 


With her unusual name and style I immediately realised just who she was and I challenged her.  She rapidly left and her name has been removed from the members list.   No record of her anywhere that I can find any more


I wonder why her forum record has been obliterated?   

I wonder how much damage she caused the Mccanns and the search for Madeleine?

I wonder who thought to put her in that group, with how many others?  The search for Madeleine was being deliberately sabotaged IMO.


It seems to me that there has been a deliberate and organised attempt, on many fronts, to destroy The Mccanns and their search 
Extremely SINISTER in my opinion.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on October 01, 2018, 01:44:47 PM



They had a team of volunteers around them to help them.   

100 volunteers, strangers who had come forward to help ... and some were NOT supporters; they were effectively spies and disrupters.   They had sneaked in unnoticed and were actively preventing worthwhile information from getting thru IMO.
................


I came back from an amazing investigative trip to PT with some outstanding information .... stuff that no-one, prior to that, had even thought of looking at ... and which I believe that OG are still looking at.

I tried to pass it on to this volunteer team and some woman on the phone REFUSED to take it,.  Point blank she refused it, despite it being of significant importance and very obviously so.  She was not a supporter, but a spy, anxious IMO to refuse any proper info getting thru.  Who put her there?


Since then she has appeared on here, as a member.   She showed herself as an avid detractor from the Mccanns. 


With her unusual name and style I immediately realised just who she was and I challenged her.  She rapidly left and her name has been removed from the members list.   No record of her anywhere that I can find any more


I wonder why her forum record has been obliterated?   

I wonder how much damage she caused the Mccanns and the search for Madeleine?

I wonder who thought to put her in that group, with how many others?  The search for Madeleine was being deliberately sabotaged IMO.


It seems to me that there has been a deliberate and organised attempt, on many fronts, to destroy The Mccanns and their search 
Extremely SINISTER in my opinion.


Anyway thankfully SY, Operation Grange, came along and I passed it all to them.  There are several pointers that they have been, and probably still are, working on the results of their conclusions to my observations and info.    The amount of info was massive.     All strength to your elbow Sgt xxxxxxx, your smaller team and SY itself.

Incidentally,  the Sgt now in charge was the officer who I dealt with.  A good man.   He listened and took what I was saying on board ... and it sounded very unreal, but he listened and asked a few questions..   Is he still following my theory?   

My Sargeant is leading this search now.   Co-incidence that out of 6 sargeants, he was chosen to lead, or not ?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on October 01, 2018, 01:57:30 PM
You mention the work already done ....what have they found ..no further on than PJ

Didn't it all get scaled down years ago...3 or 4 now mainly sat at a desk ....in my opinion...

What are they going to find

It's not as if people care a tuppence for the mccs....and know by now maddie will never be found in my opinion...

You may as well feed the birds as Mary Poppins says .....

Another premature judgement.  Wait and see.  SY don't leak thank goodness, you have to wait for the end.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Brietta on October 01, 2018, 02:53:35 PM
I think the premise for doing the programme was cynical, I think much of the content was self-serving but what did come across was his undoubted love for Madeleine and the devastation he still suffers due to  the choices he has had to make.

If as some apparently think Gerry's heartrending broadcast about a father's loss of his daughter is a 'ploy' to ensure the Home Office continue to finance Scotland Yard's search for her I don't think it is "self serving" of him in the least.

I believe it to be the perfect example of the lengths he is prepared to take to do the very best within his power for Madeleine.

Laying bare his soul for Madeleine in the full knowledge of what some would make of the opportunity for derision ... as they did and have been lauded for doing even in posts on this most equitable of fora ... could not have been a decision taken lightly.  But in my opinion was exactly the right thing to do and the right time to do it.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: faithlilly on October 01, 2018, 03:32:20 PM
If as some apparently think Gerry's heartrending broadcast about a father's loss of his daughter is a 'ploy' to ensure the Home Office continue to finance Scotland Yard's search for her I don't think it is "self serving" of him in the least.

I believe it to be the perfect example of the lengths he is prepared to take to do the very best within his power for Madeleine.

Laying bare his soul for Madeleine in the full knowledge of what some would make of the opportunity for derision ... as they did and have been lauded for doing even in posts on this most equitable of fora ... could not have been a decision taken lightly.  But in my opinion was exactly the right thing to do and the right time to do it.


‘Some’ don’t think it’s a ploy to encourage the Home Office to provide more funding but of the parents to yet again paint themselves as victims of this tragedy. To what ends remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Gertrude on October 01, 2018, 04:35:28 PM
Gerrys actions have been magnificent and he has influenced The PJ to start searching for Madeleine again.  What a triumph that was !



Much better Angelo, to have the PJ actually searching for a living Madeleine.   Than for one family to trek all around a country
-   whose language they do not know,
-   whose Law they do not know,
-   whose ways of working they do not know
.... and I could go on.

Much better, doncha think?


Do you honestly think, Angelo, that one family searching is better than a whole section of the PJ searching for Madeleine ?
If so, then The PJ must be pretty poor, imo

I am sure that you dont think that !!

Well done to The Mccann family for getting the best people in PT searching for you.  What an achievement to get both The PJ and SY searching..



Not everything is best done physically, Angelo.   Sometimes using ones brain is better.

I would almost guarentee that the combined forces are on to something, but we must be patient.


The British OG search has cost everyone in the UK, 16 pence for the almost 7 1/2 years work already done.   Most of us can afford another additional tuppence if needed for a further years work, can't we ?   


Or are you all Scrouges ?


[Amended: Thanks to slarti for correcting the decimal point.  Thank goodness I am no longer teaching Maths  8)-))) ]

 Why do you presume the PJ are searching for a living child? In 2014 Scotland Yard were using cadaver dogs again.

In my humble opinion, Gerry's Radio 4 interview was a rehashing of his statement with convenient added details that attempted to address some of the questions and doubts people have about the statements.

  The vast majority of what he said was an account of that night (very windy ), having a dig at the UK and Portuguese press and also that 'nothing was happening' which implied no-one locally or the PJ bothered to  search - even though Gerry says he told Kate to stay in over night as it was dark. Did he not think as a doctor his child could be out there and harmed due to exposure? He recounts going to the airport as probably the worst moment (if i remember correctly) and how after 36 or (casually he says), 48 hours a 'switch' went on and he got back to being a functioning person.

 Perhaps most bizarrely Gerry thought it wise to detail Madeline pulling his chest hairs really tight as one of his enduring memories of her.

 I don't see how anyone can think this attempt at broadcasting his witness statement unquestioned to the nation was anything but self serving.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 01, 2018, 05:50:53 PM
I think the premise for doing the programme was cynical, I think much of the content was self-serving but what did come across was his undoubted love for Madeleine and the devastation he still suffers due to  the choices he has had to make.
What was the premise for doing the programme and whose idea do you think it was?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 01, 2018, 07:14:15 PM
I think the premise for doing the programme was cynical, I think much of the content was self-serving but what did come across was his undoubted love for Madeleine and the devastation he still suffers due to  the choices he has had to make.

He chose his career over his missing daughter. If she is alive I'm sure she would be well impressed.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 01, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
If as some apparently think Gerry's heartrending broadcast about a father's loss of his daughter is a 'ploy' to ensure the Home Office continue to finance Scotland Yard's search for her I don't think it is "self serving" of him in the least.

I believe it to be the perfect example of the lengths he is prepared to take to do the very best within his power for Madeleine.

Laying bare his soul for Madeleine in the full knowledge of what some would make of the opportunity for derision ... as they did and have been lauded for doing even in posts on this most equitable of fora ... could not have been a decision taken lightly.  But in my opinion was exactly the right thing to do and the right time to do it.

It IS nothing more than a cynical attempt to influence events. SY need more money to continue their sham, roll out the McCann stories to get the public motivated.

Was he so concerned when he was secretly filmed laughing and cavorting shortly after Maddie disappeared?  The man has more faces than Big Ben imo.

Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 01, 2018, 07:20:09 PM
He chose his career over his missing daughter. If she is alive I'm sure she would be well impressed.

total and utter rubbish....why do you hate them so much....doesnt really make any sense
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 01, 2018, 07:21:13 PM
It IS nothing more than a cynical attempt to influence events. SY need more money to continue their sham, roll out the McCann stories to get the public motivated.

the public dont make the decision...the home office does
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 01, 2018, 07:21:51 PM
It IS nothing more than a cynical attempt to influence events. SY need more money to continue their sham, roll out the McCann stories to get the public motivated.
what have the public got to do with it?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 01, 2018, 07:24:15 PM
what have the public got to do with it?

just shows how wide of the mark angelo is
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 01, 2018, 07:24:44 PM
what have the public got to do with it?

If you can carry public opinion you have more leverage.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 01, 2018, 07:26:02 PM
just shows how wide of the mark angelo is

You wish.  I'm really looking forward to my trip to Faro.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 01, 2018, 07:27:34 PM
You wish.  I'm really looking forward to my trip to Faro.

you must be ...youve been planning it for the last 5 years
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 01, 2018, 07:27:40 PM
If you can carry public opinion you have more leverage.
Since when have the McCanns carried public opinion?  I thought most people hated them?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 01, 2018, 07:28:38 PM
you must be ...youve been planning it for the last 5 years

A bit of an exaggeration davel but then what's new.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 01, 2018, 07:30:12 PM
A bit of an exaggeration davel but then what's new.  @)(++(*

nothing new at all ...you still talking about your trip....do you really think anyone is going to take the slightest interest in what you have to say
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Gertrude on October 01, 2018, 08:35:50 PM
If you can carry public opinion you have more leverage.

I agree. If you are in a precarious legal limbo and you can get at least some of the public on side and use the media to influence the way you are perceived , it could have influence in any decisions the government make.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 01, 2018, 08:41:32 PM
I agree. If you are in a precarious legal limbo and you can get at least some of the public on side and use the media to influence the way you are perceived , it could have influence in any decisions the government make.

Of course it does, it's all very carefully planned out.  They underestimated Metodo 3 though and that charade will soon unravel.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 01, 2018, 08:41:59 PM
I agree. If you are in a precarious legal limbo and you can get at least some of the public on side and use the media to influence the way you are perceived , it could have influence in any decisions the government make.
How so? 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 01, 2018, 08:56:08 PM
You wish.  I'm really looking forward to my trip to Faro.

Yes,me too. I can't wait to hear all that is happening and how they take your story on board. Will you be meeting Amaral? I thought John was going to invite him here.

'The man has more faces than Big Ben imo'.  Indeed.  I can't help get the impression they continued to 'holiday' when MBM was reported missing.  Kate tells us that they were invited to SF's house and he made them laugh- she enjoyed going there... *%87  The jogging/blogging/ travelling/tennis... *%87
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Gertrude on October 01, 2018, 08:56:28 PM
How so?

Surely you can work it out. Governments don't always like to do things that might be unpopular with voters.

For example;

"Janis Sharp prevented her son Gary McKinnon being deported to the US to face computer hacking charges, defying prosecutors’ determination to get their hands on him. She did not win in court; indeed, she suffered repeated rebuffs from UK judges, who ruled the extradition should go ahead.

She had some help from Melanie Riley, a public relations professional, but the campaign was mostly her own – and she won the battle for public opinion so decisively that Theresa May, UK home secretary, nullified the extradition order. "
                       https://www.ft.com/content/f1d36cdc-2a82-11e3-8fb8-00144feab7de (https://www.ft.com/content/f1d36cdc-2a82-11e3-8fb8-00144feab7de)

Oh and yes...I will be very interested to hear about Angelo's trip too.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 01, 2018, 08:59:58 PM
Why do you presume the PJ are searching for a living child? In 2014 Scotland Yard were using cadaver dogs again.

In my humble opinion, Gerry's Radio 4 interview was a rehashing of his statement with convenient added details that attempted to address some of the questions and doubts people have about the statements.

  The vast majority of what he said was an account of that night (very windy ), having a dig at the UK and Portuguese press and also that 'nothing was happening' which implied no-one locally or the PJ bothered to  search - even though Gerry says he told Kate to stay in over night as it was dark. Did he not think as a doctor his child could be out there and harmed due to exposure? He recounts going to the airport as probably the worst moment (if i remember correctly) and how after 36 or (casually he says), 48 hours a 'switch' went on and he got back to being a functioning person.

 Perhaps most bizarrely Gerry thought it wise to detail Madeline pulling his chest hairs really tight as one of his enduring memories of her.

 I don't see how anyone can think this attempt at broadcasting his witness statement unquestioned to the nation was anything but self serving.


"Perhaps most bizarrely Gerry thought it wise to detail Madeline pulling his chest hairs really tight as one of his enduring memories of her."

And then we look at Mrs Gaspars statement... Interesting.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on October 01, 2018, 09:01:39 PM

"Perhaps most bizarrely Gerry thought it wise to detail Madeline pulling his chest hairs really tight as one of his enduring memories of her."

And then we look at Mrs Gaspars statement... Interesting.

The Gaspar Statements will not be discussed on this Thread.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: misty on October 01, 2018, 09:39:50 PM

"Perhaps most bizarrely Gerry thought it wise to detail Madeline pulling his chest hairs really tight as one of his enduring memories of her."

And then we look at Mrs Gaspars statement... Interesting.

Gerry said that Madeleine was suffering badly with colic & he felt that, in some way, she was transferring some of her suffering to him by pulling at his chest hair. Madeleine is no longer within touching distance of him being able to help absorb any of the pain she may be suffering.
Please don't trivialise skin to skin contact between father & daughter. There is a lovely photo of Robbie Williams with his newborn baby daughter taken in 2012 doing exactly that.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 01, 2018, 09:51:13 PM
Gerry said that Madeleine was suffering badly with colic & he felt that, in some way, she was transferring some of her suffering to him by pulling at his chest hair. Madeleine is no longer within touching distance of him being able to help absorb any of the pain she may be suffering.
Please don't trivialise skin to skin contact between father & daughter. There is a lovely photo of Robbie Williams with his newborn baby daughter taken in 2012 doing exactly that.


Pardon?  a baby was transferring her suffering to her father. He said that? what? and this is qualified Doctors? OMG.

Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 01, 2018, 09:52:55 PM

Pardon?  a baby was transferring her suffering to her father. He said that? what? and this is qualified Doctors? OMG.


Gerry is entitled to think what he likes.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: misty on October 01, 2018, 09:58:31 PM

Pardon?  a baby was transferring her suffering to her father. He said that? what? and this is qualified Doctors? OMG.



If you'd listened properly to what Gerry said you may understand what he meant, especially in context with the words of the poem.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 01, 2018, 09:59:58 PM
Gerry is entitled to think what he likes.

He is indeed! sometimes though it is nice when transferring them thoughts- he doesn't try to pass off fantasy as real time.  THE very idea that an adult can say with a straight face - my baby was transferring her suffering- how the hell would a baby know that pulling on chest hairs is bloody painful and was fully aware she was transferring her suffering. Oh, I mean come on...
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 01, 2018, 10:06:09 PM
Surely you can work it out. Governments don't always like to do things that might be unpopular with voters.

For example;

"Janis Sharp prevented her son Gary McKinnon being deported to the US to face computer hacking charges, defying prosecutors’ determination to get their hands on him. She did not win in court; indeed, she suffered repeated rebuffs from UK judges, who ruled the extradition should go ahead.

She had some help from Melanie Riley, a public relations professional, but the campaign was mostly her own – and she won the battle for public opinion so decisively that Theresa May, UK home secretary, nullified the extradition order. "
                       https://www.ft.com/content/f1d36cdc-2a82-11e3-8fb8-00144feab7de (https://www.ft.com/content/f1d36cdc-2a82-11e3-8fb8-00144feab7de)

Oh and yes...I will be very interested to hear about Angelo's trip too.
Do you think if the government stops funding the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance it will be unpopular with the voters then?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: misty on October 01, 2018, 10:07:02 PM
He is indeed! sometimes though it is nice when transferring them thoughts- he doesn't try to pass off fantasy as real time.  THE very idea that an adult can say with a straight face - my baby was transferring her suffering- how the hell would a baby know that pulling on chest hairs is bloody painful and was fully aware she was transferring her suffering. Oh, I mean come on...

Have you never squeezed someone else's hand soooo hard when you are in a lot of pain?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 01, 2018, 10:09:09 PM
He is indeed! sometimes though it is nice when transferring them thoughts- he doesn't try to pass off fantasy as real time.  THE very idea that an adult can say with a straight face - my baby was transferring her suffering- how the hell would a baby know that pulling on chest hairs is bloody painful and was fully aware she was transferring her suffering. Oh, I mean come on...
Maybe its instinctive to do that. 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 01, 2018, 10:10:02 PM
Have you never squeezed someone else's hand soooo hard when you are in a lot of pain?


Have you ever heard of a baby sending messages to her father she is suffering from colic-  so she will pull the hairs on his chest to 'transfer her suffering?   Oh please  this is too stupid to be bothered with.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 01, 2018, 10:10:30 PM
Have you never squeezed someone else's hand soooo hard when you are in a lot of pain?
Ha, I did that a couple of months ago, the hand being squeezed so tight was my son’s, bless him.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 01, 2018, 10:14:34 PM
Ha, I did that a couple of months ago, the hand being squeezed so tight was my son’s, bless him.

even just the very idea that a baby can squeeze a hand so tight it will cause pain -belongs in a parrallel world?

where the hell is auntie em....

 Toto IS well aware his is not in Kansas anymore...
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 01, 2018, 10:16:39 PM
even just the very idea that a baby can squeeze a hand so tight it will cause pain -belongs in a parrallel world?

where the hell is auntie em....

 Toto IS well aware his is not in Kansas anymore...
What are you on about, really? 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 02, 2018, 12:57:38 AM
Do you think if the government stops funding the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance it will be unpopular with the voters then?

But that's the whole point, it isn't a proper investigation.  It's a farce, a politically driven expedient sham, the terms of which are so narrow it's like looking through a capillary tube.  Well at least a capillary tube has a see-thru ending.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: sadie on October 02, 2018, 01:38:41 AM
Of course it does, it's all very carefully planned out.  They underestimated Metodo 3 though and that charade will soon unravel.

Please, do keep us informed
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 02, 2018, 07:16:34 AM
But that's the whole point, it isn't a proper investigation.  It's a farce, a politically driven expedient sham, the terms of which are so narrow it's like looking through a capillary tube.  Well at least a capillary tube has a see-thru ending.
Never mind, the Portuguese are on it.   8(0(*
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: G-Unit on October 02, 2018, 09:24:09 AM

Pardon?  a baby was transferring her suffering to her father. He said that? what? and this is qualified Doctors? OMG.

Babies and small children hurt others because they don't know it hurts. They have to be taught about that as they grow.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Lace on October 02, 2018, 09:40:58 AM


Have you ever heard of a baby sending messages to her father she is suffering from colic-  so she will pull the hairs on his chest to 'transfer her suffering?   Oh please  this is too stupid to be bothered with.

Who said anything about the baby sending messages?   Gerry said Madeleine gripped the hairs on his chest when in pain,  he felt as though he was somehow helping with her pain,  it really is easy to understand.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Lace on October 02, 2018, 09:43:33 AM

"Perhaps most bizarrely Gerry thought it wise to detail Madeline pulling his chest hairs really tight as one of his enduring memories of her."

And then we look at Mrs Gaspars statement... Interesting.

So what are you insinuating here?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 02, 2018, 10:00:14 AM
Who said anything about the baby sending messages?   Gerry said Madeleine gripped the hairs on his chest when in pain,  he felt as though he was somehow helping with her pain,  it really is easy to understand.
I think it's only easy to understand if you are a normal, empathetic human being who doesn't have an irrational hatred of every syllable that passes from Gerry McCann's lips. 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 02, 2018, 10:01:55 AM
Who said anything about the baby sending messages?   Gerry said Madeleine gripped the hairs on his chest when in pain,  he felt as though he was somehow helping with her pain,  it really is easy to understand.
Completely delusional thinking imo .
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 02, 2018, 10:03:33 AM
Completely delusional thinking imo .
Why so?  Why does a father put his screaming baby to his chest in the first place, if not to try and comfort and ease the pain?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Lace on October 02, 2018, 10:07:11 AM
Completely delusional thinking imo .

Please explain why.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 02, 2018, 10:17:01 AM
So what are you insinuating here?
Isn't it disturbing the way some people's minds work?   Trying to make out that there is something unsavoury in Gerry's heartfelt and touching memories of his baby daughter. 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Erngath on October 02, 2018, 10:26:01 AM
Isn't it disturbing the way some people's minds work?   Trying to make out that there is something unsavoury in Gerry's heartfelt and touching memories of his baby daughter.


It's what must be in some folks minds that is unsavoury and seems to lead them into strange unpleasant insinuations. IMO.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 02, 2018, 10:31:18 AM
Why so?  Why does a father put his screaming baby to his chest in the first place, if not to try and comfort and ease the pain?
Er ... pain ? I understand he used the word discomfort to describe what Madeleine was experiencing ?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 02, 2018, 10:38:55 AM
Er ... pain ? I understand he used the word discomfort to describe what Madeleine was experiencing ?
Oh, OK it wasn't pain the young baby was suffering with colic, it was discomfort, there is that better?  He was comforting her discomfort, how bloody weird is that?!
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: slartibartfast on October 02, 2018, 10:43:46 AM

It's what must be in some folks minds that is unsavoury and seems to lead them into strange unpleasant insinuations. IMO.

Shared by people who knew them.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Erngath on October 02, 2018, 10:47:06 AM
Shared by people who knew them.


No, some posters here who seem to link the most natural behaviour of a father to some sordid insinuations.
Unless of course these posters know them.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Lace on October 02, 2018, 11:01:15 AM
Er ... pain ? I understand he used the word discomfort to describe what Madeleine was experiencing ?


 Discomfort -   mild pain.

You really like to discredit everything Gerry says don't you,  I find it quite weird.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Lace on October 02, 2018, 11:02:58 AM

No, some posters here who seem to link the most natural behaviour of a father to some sordid insinuations.
Unless of course these posters know them.

They turn everything into seedy insinuations,  I don't know how that post managed to stay there.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 02, 2018, 11:05:14 AM

 Discomfort -   mild pain.

You really like to discredit everything Gerry says don't you,  I find it quite weird.
I don’t need a lesson in the meaning of words and find it weird that you feel you ought to enlighten .
Would you like to write a list for me of those things you  accuse me of discrediting , after which I will tick the correct boxes ? 
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Lace on October 02, 2018, 12:03:21 PM
I don’t need a lesson in the meaning of words and find it weird that you feel you ought to enlighten .
Would you like to write a list for me of those things you  accuse me of discrediting , after which I will tick the correct boxes ?

Well it seemed as though you did need enlightening,  you said Gerry used the word discomfort and not pain,  when discomfort does mean pain.

Why try and turn what Gerry said into something other than what he stated?   It was unnecessary IMO
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 02, 2018, 12:56:09 PM
Well it seemed as though you did need enlightening,  you said Gerry used the word discomfort and not pain,  when discomfort does mean pain.

Why try and turn what Gerry said into something other than what he stated?   It was unnecessary IMO
How arrogant a response regarding my knowledge of the English lagluage for ...no , I won’t tell you how many years.
Now you’re continuing  to argue that discomfort means pain so I will take it up .
As an example Restless Leg Syndrome can cause intense discomfort without it being pain .
Migraine headache causes pain not discomfort .
I would think G knew the difference and chose by Madeleine’s  reaction to what she was experiencing ,  to describe her suffering from discomfort rather than pain .
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 02, 2018, 02:25:39 PM
How arrogant a response regarding my knowledge of the English lagluage for ...no , I won’t tell you how many years.
Now you’re continuing  to argue that discomfort means pain so I will take it up .
As an example Restless Leg Syndrome can cause intense discomfort without it being pain .
Migraine headache causes pain not discomfort .
I would think G knew the difference and chose by Madeleine’s  reaction to what she was experiencing ,  to describe her suffering from discomfort rather than pain .
Why are you quibbling over this?  It really strikes me as rather pathetic.  I used the words “ease the pain”, is colic a painful condition for babies, or just one that causes discomfort?  What does it actually matter when the net result is an unhappy baby screaming its lungs out?  A caring parent scoops the child up and holds it close, if the baby tugs on the hair of the parent and that parent  views it as the child gaining comfort and or distraction from their discomfort SO WHAT???
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 02, 2018, 02:40:32 PM
Why are you quibbling over this?  It really strikes me as rather pathetic.  I used the words “ease the pain”, is colic a painful condition for babies, or just one that causes discomfort?  What does it actually matter when the net result is an unhappy baby screaming its lungs out?  A caring parent scoops the child up and holds it close, if the baby tugs on the hair of the parent and that parent  views it as the child gaining comfort and or distraction from their discomfort SO WHAT???
Crikey ,you’d be useless describing your symptoms to a doctor if you don’t know the difference between discomfort and pain .
How do you know Madeleine was screaming her lungs out  by the way ?
I think her father would have done more than cradle her to his chest in that case .
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on October 02, 2018, 02:52:00 PM
Shared by people who knew them.

What?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 02, 2018, 03:24:51 PM
Crikey ,you’d be useless describing your symptoms to a doctor if you don’t know the difference between discomfort and pain .
How do you know Madeleine was screaming her lungs out  by the way ?
I think her father would have done more than cradle her to his chest in that case .
This is a ludicrous argument.  I made a comment using the word pain when Gerry used the word discomfort and for this I must be insulted and scorned? 
You then go on to ask how I knew Madeleine was screaming her lungs out when actually I didn’t mention Madeleine specifically but babies generally - it’s what they do when they are suffering from colic, did you not know this?
Thirdly, you then go on to criticise her father for not doing more to ease her discomfort than holding her in his arms close to his chest, well that’s par for the course, what would you have recommended as the perfect parent in such a situation?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Venturi Swirl on October 02, 2018, 03:31:10 PM
How arrogant a response regarding my knowledge of the English lagluage for ...no , I won’t tell you how many years.
Now you’re continuing  to argue that discomfort means pain so I will take it up .
As an example Restless Leg Syndrome can cause intense discomfort without it being pain .
Migraine headache causes pain not discomfort .
I would think G knew the difference and chose by Madeleine’s  reaction to what she was experiencing ,  to describe her suffering from discomfort rather than pain .
Sorry, I know I shouldn’t laugh but... @)(++(*
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Snowgirl on October 02, 2018, 03:33:01 PM
This is a ludicrous argument.  I made a comment using the word pain when Gerry used the word discomfort and for this I must be insulted and scorned? 
You then go on to ask how I knew Madeleine was screaming her lungs out when actually I didn’t mention Madeleine specifically but babies generally - it’s what they do when they are suffering from colic, did you. ot know this?
Thirdly, you then go on to criticise her father for. ot doing more to ease her discomfort than holding her in his arms close to his chest, well that’s par for the course, what would you have recommended as the perfect parent in such a situation?
First I have my knowledge of the meaning of words in the English language  questioned  by Lace then here  by you regarding my medical knowledge . I find it amusing  because neither of you know my qualifications .
 I have no desire actually to discuss colic in babies and / or the  treatment  in this forum .
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Eleanor on October 02, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
First I have my knowledge of the meaning of words in the English language  questioned  by Lace then here  by you regarding my medical knowledge . I find it amusing  because neither of you know my qualifications .
 I have no desire actually to discuss colic in babies and / or the  treatment  in this forum .

This what this Thread is all about.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: slartibartfast on October 02, 2018, 07:45:39 PM
No more Ad Homs please.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Brietta on October 03, 2018, 08:59:13 AM
Why don't we try the novel approach of sticking to the topic?  from now on in whether containing an ad hom or not I will be deleting all OFF TOPIC posts.  Thank you
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 04, 2018, 09:28:13 PM
Why was it called "Pearl: Two Fathers, Two Daughters"  Is that the name of the old poem?  https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b0bl6s2v

"Pearl: Two Fathers, Two Daughters. A programme weaving together two voices of grief, one from 600 years ago and one of the present day in Gerry McCann, in a reflection on loss and consolation."
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 04, 2018, 10:47:18 PM
talks about the night 9:30 mins

16 mins talking about the police arriving.

"They come and took some brief statements, and they kind of left us and we were alone still in the apartment, just felt terrible, and then we went to another apartment, by which time it was 3 or 4 in the morning, and Kate was saying I want to go out searching, just wait its too cold etc."

Not word for word.


Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Erngath on October 04, 2018, 10:56:00 PM
talks about the night 9:30 mins

16 mins talking about the police arriving.

"They come and took some brief statements, and they kind of left us and we were alone still in the apartment, just felt terrible, and then we went to another apartment, by which time it was 3 or 4 in the morning, and Kate was saying I want to go out searching, just wait its too cold etc."

Not word for word.


If.it is not word for word, why have you used Quotation marks?


Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 04, 2018, 11:00:18 PM

If.it is not word for word, why have you used Quotation marks?
Well you show me how to do it better.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 04, 2018, 11:08:04 PM
Someone has done a transcript of the talk.  https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15568-gerry-mccann-radio-4-interview-29-09-2018

"I honestly, if it is- that bit for me IS blurred, I can't-can't really remember in-in the order now about, the police seemed to take forever to arrive.

So I think it was probably (sigh) in those... hours... after they come and taken some st- brief statements and, and then just kind of left us. And, we were alone, we were still in the apartments, and-and then we just felt... terrible. And I know then we-we went... to another apartment. Er, by which time it was (sigh) er, three or four in the morning, and Kate was saying, "I want to go back out and search", and... I said, "Just wait until it gets light". And Kate was, kept saying, "It's so cold".

There was an overwhelming feeling of helplessness, that we couldn't do anything. That was the- and I think that 'experience' that we were feeling, right at the centre of it, was like um, a ripple or a tidal wave going out and crashing into all of our family and friends as they heard what had happened."

Now speech marks make more sense.

Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Erngath on October 04, 2018, 11:09:39 PM
Well you show me how to do it better.



Quite the exact words.
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 04, 2018, 11:12:11 PM
Why was it called "Pearl: Two Fathers, Two Daughters"  Is that the name of the old poem?  https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b0bl6s2v

"Pearl: Two Fathers, Two Daughters. A programme weaving together two voices of grief, one from 600 years ago and one of the present day in Gerry McCann, in a reflection on loss and consolation."

Maybe someone confused pearl with purl?
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 04, 2018, 11:12:43 PM


Quite the exact words.
I have done that now. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10214.msg493309#msg493309
Title: Re: Gerry McCann shares heartbreaking description of night Madeleine went missing.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 04, 2018, 11:14:37 PM
Maybe someone confused pearl with purl?
Knit one purl one.  Thanks I knew the word but hadn't seen the spelling.