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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: G-Unit on October 02, 2018, 08:30:07 PM
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The Portuguese media seem to think OG has died with a whimper rather than a bang.
Operation Grange - the controversial British police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - has reached the ‘official closure’ of its funding.
At least this is the version of reports circulating in Portugal this week.
http://portugalresident.com/plug-pulled-on-maddie-funding
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The Portuguese media seem to think OG has died with a whimper rather than a bang.
Operation Grange - the controversial British police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - has reached the ‘official closure’ of its funding.
At least this is the version of reports circulating in Portugal this week.
http://portugalresident.com/plug-pulled-on-maddie-funding
I think I’ll wait for an official announcement rather that believe any old tutt in the Portuguese press.
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Interesting that no other paper has run the the Sun's Sunday story of funding being granted, which is yet to be confirmed by the HO
Perhaps Tracey will be along with her slant shortly.
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If nothing else works, deny deny deny
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If nothing else works, deny deny deny
Hey, that the supporters mantra
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If the UK MSM are to be believed, it seems that SY intend to fund any further work they do on the Madeleine case out of their own massively stretched policing budget and if there is an enlarged spend, to apply retrospectively for special funding from the Home Office.
That suggests to me that they have come to the end of the line at this time, have concluded the loose ends and have nowhere left to go.
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If the UK MSM are to be believed, it seems that SY intend to fund any further work they do on the Madeleine case out of their own massively stretched policing budget and if there is an enlarged spend, to apply retrospectively for special funding from the Home Office.
That suggests to me that they have come to the end of the line at this time, have concluded the loose ends and have nowhere left to go.
It certainly sounds that way. They may or may not work on the case, and if they do they will reclaim their costs after the event.
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It certainly sounds that way. They may or may not work on the case, and if they do they will reclaim their costs after the event.
If this is true then this is almost the worst outcome for the parents. It’s public knowledge that they weren’t investigated and no abductor has been found despite millions of pounds spent. If they thought a SY review would clear them then they’ve been sorely mistaken.
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Now would be a good time for the Met to make public what they spent the £12 million on and still came up empty.
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Now would be a good time for the Met to make public what they spent the £12 million on and still came up empty.
Some of us understand why it has cost 12 million.... 40 thousand documents to translate and assess
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If this is true then this is almost the worst outcome for the parents. It’s public knowledge that they weren’t investigated and no abductor has been found despite millions of pounds spent. If they thought a SY review would clear them then they’ve been sorely mistaken.
I must agree fath. The Met would never wind down the investigation if there were any outstanding leads worth pursuing. Maybe team McCann will launch their own search now and Gerry will take a sabbatical to lead it.
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If the UK MSM are to be believed, it seems that SY intend to fund any further work they do on the Madeleine case out of their own massively stretched policing budget and if there is an enlarged spend, to apply retrospectively for special funding from the Home Office.
That suggests to me that they have come to the end of the line at this time, have concluded the loose ends and have nowhere left to go.
Isn't there a level up to which it is obligatory for police forces to fund special cases from their own budgets before they can apply for extra Home Office funds? I think it is shown on The Met website.
I know this case was first funded from a Number 10 budget then moved to the H.O. Maybe the H.O have just decreed it should fall into line with the rest leaving the bomb in The Met's pocket?
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I must agree fath. The Met would never wind down the investigation if there were any outstanding leads worth pursuing. Maybe team McCann will launch their own search now and Gerry will take a sabbatical to lead it.
That isn't feasible though, is it? The investigation hasn't been closed, it's just sitting there. Whatever Operation Grange learned is just sitting there too. That information isn't going to be released to anyone either. The McCanns can ask people to look for Madeleine, as they always have, but they can't realistically investigate anything.
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That isn't feasible though, is it? The investigation hasn't been closed, it's just sitting there. Whatever Operation Grange learned is just sitting there too. That information isn't going to be released to anyone either. The McCanns can ask people to look for Madeleine, as they always have, but they can't realistically investigate anything.
Unless the Portuguese investigation also closes and they release all the files from the new investigation. Although I doubt that this will include much if any of Scotland Yard's work. Can the Met give their research information to the McCanns under British law? I doubt it.
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Unless the Portuguese investigation also closes and they release all the files from the new investigation. Although I doubt that this will include much if any of Scotland Yard's work. Can the Met give their research information to the McCanns under British law? I doubt it.
I don't think the Portuguese will close unless the Met do. The McCanns tried to get police evidence before and failed, so that's not going to happen imo.
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I don't think the Portuguese will close unless the Met do. The McCanns tried to get police evidence before and failed, so that's not going to happen imo.
That is what I thought G-Unit. Thanks
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The Portuguese media seem to think OG has died with a whimper rather than a bang.
Operation Grange - the controversial British police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - has reached the ‘official closure’ of its funding.
At least this is the version of reports circulating in Portugal this week.
http://portugalresident.com/plug-pulled-on-maddie-funding
There is no longer any thing on the met site which pertains to OG,why reference to something to that which no longer exist's?
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There is no longer any thing on the met site which pertains to OG,why reference to something to that which no longer exist's?
That will give us something to quibble over.
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Unless the Portuguese investigation also closes and they release all the files from the new investigation. Although I doubt that this will include much if any of Scotland Yard's work. Can the Met give their research information to the McCanns under British law? I doubt it.
The Met will never give up material gleamed in their investigation to anyone. There is nothing to stop any parent of a missing child being pro active but since the McCanns took it upon themselves to rubbish and ridicule and make fun of the Portuguese police I can't see any welcome party waiting for them any time soon at Faro Airport.
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How do you know that the investigation is finished? Don't trust the Portuguese press, they have been using copy and paste for years now with regard to the case.
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How do you know that the investigation is finished? Don't trust the Portuguese press, they have been using copy and paste for years now with regard to the case.
How do you know its finished ....as it ever started....SY know nothing...
Think SY are the ones who copy/past.....because all they have is what PJ had in the first place in my opinion....
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How do you know that the investigation is finished? Don't trust the Portuguese press, they have been using copy and paste for years now with regard to the case.
They didn't copy and paste from any UK stories. Perhaps the PJ told them? They allegedly leak to their media all the time.
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How do you know that the investigation is finished? Don't trust the Portuguese press, they have been using copy and paste for years now with regard to the case.
Maybe some of us saw this comming.... the hyped up media presence in the past few weeks by the 'family' and Gerry trying to get in the last word. Or in other words: getting to put a full stop at the end of era? They must have been told it was being 'wound down' So big push to get the public on board...Money,money,money.
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How do you know its finished ....as it ever started....SY know nothing...
Think SY are the ones who copy/past.....because all they have is what PJ had in the first place in my opinion....
Wishful thinking on your behalf xtina ... do you think that you know more than them?
Let's wait and see, but please hurry up SY and the PJ, cos i want to see the end conclusions.
I want to see children a good deal safer, with a possible global gang locked away
..... and children that have gone missing returned home to their loved ones, all before I die
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Do we know for certain if there is to be no more Funding, or is it just a rumour to fill the lull whilst decisions are being made?
Do we know if the whole thing has moved from the investigative stage to the prosecution stage, or has it all been put into storage?
Has it been put into storage because of the vitriolic cryticism of the funding? IMO
I wonder why? There has to be a reason
Just WHO would wish that Madeleine should not be found ?
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It must be a good sign really Sadie as they no longer need to treat it as a special case, needing special funding.
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Wishful thinking on your behalf xtina ... do you think that you know more than them?
Let's wait and see, but please hurry up SY and the PJ, cos i want to see the end conclusions.
I want to see children a good deal safer, with a possible global gang locked away
..... and children that have gone missing returned home to their loved ones, all before I die
Wishful thinking on your behalf xtina ... do you think that you know more than them?
No, in my opinion, it is not wishful thinking sadie....maybe I could know more than them....
I know they should have had a reconstruction....
their timeline is all over the place...same as they all seem to be....the tapas crowd...
You would have thought the first thing the mccs would have wanted was a reconstruction...
They weren't all close friends ...some they hardly knew...you would have thought in that situation....
they would have trusted no one..
Especially all the inconsistencies etc ....mind you the twins were back in the creche the next day...
Every organization needs a common sense depatrnent....and why SY left out the mccs/co makes no sense at all...
It could maybe have even........ ruled them out...
They don't deserve any more funding...if a job is not done properly...it shouldn't be done at all.....
In my opinion, they are no further than PJ....and they didn't have £12 million or 5 years getting nowhere....
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What is interesting to get back on topic is the blog on the HO site, it makes no mention of a search,only the operation concerning the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
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So if there is still information being actively followed on Madeleine's behalf do you think it appropriate to apparently victimise her further by pulling the plug on the the money the Home Office is able to allocate to her case?
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What is interesting to get back on topic is the blog on the HO site, it makes no mention of a search,only the operation concerning the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
It does appear to me that the Home Office have removed funding and the Metropolitan Police are slowly quietly shelving it. That is my impression anyway.
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So if there is still information being actively followed on Madeleine's behalf do you think it appropriate to apparently victimise her further by pulling the plug on the the money the Home Office is able to allocate to her case?
Do you know whether there is anything that the police can actively do? They have now spent £millions and years getting precisely nowhere it would seem (at least to me).
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What is interesting to get back on topic is the blog on the HO site, it makes no mention of a search,only the operation concerning the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Indeed. they are not searching for MBM. they are only concerned with an investigation. AND it looks like they have investigated and came up with.....well no evidence of anything to charge anyone with anything.
SO go back 11 years and 12 million quid and what do we have? no evidence of anything to charge anyone with anything.
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So if there is still information being actively followed on Madeleine's behalf do you think it appropriate to apparently victimise her further by pulling the plug on the the money the Home Office is able to allocate to her case?
That's just it,its not known if there is information.
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So if there is still information being actively followed on Madeleine's behalf do you think it appropriate to apparently victimise her further by pulling the plug on the the money the Home Office is able to allocate to her case?
There waa an active search up until the time of the digs in 2014,by the Autumn of 2015 the manpower tasked to OG was massively reduced from upward of 30 to just 4,obviously funding was cut then,its hard to see just what searching is taking place now.
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What is interesting to get back on topic is the blog on the HO site, it makes no mention of a search,only the operation concerning the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
What does one do concerning the disappearance of a missing child? Doesn't one look for her? Which in my opinion is precisely what Scotland Yard have been doing since they opened Madeleine's case in 2013.
If the police have asked for more money and been denied it do you think there is some interdepartmental wrangling about financing going on to the detriment of a missing child whose case is still an active one?
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Indeed. they are not searching for MBM. they are only concerned with an investigation. AND it looks like they have investigated and came up with.....well no evidence of anything to charge anyone with anything.
SO go back 11 years and 12 million quid and what do we have? no evidence of anything to charge anyone with anything.
So if funding has now finally stopped let's see what mccs do ....with there own money....
Now it seems SY have found nothing....back to the start where PJ shelved the case....
One of the reasons mccs being uncooperative ....in my opinion....
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How long did The PJ expect to have? The first few months with Amaral in charge found nothing to implicate The McCanns.
No, because he wasn't given the chance.....
SY have found nothing ...have they....to say maddie was abducted...dead end..
They have had over five years...and 12 million at there disposal...
At least GA had a brain ...wasn't frightened of the mccs ....or anyone else ...
Spoke his mind ...a policeman's mind ...not pussyfooting like SY.... in my opinion....
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No, because he wasn't given the chance.....
SY have found nothing ...have they....to say maddie was abducted...dead end..
They have had over five years...and 12 million at there disposal...
At least GA had a brain ...wasn't frightened of the mccs ....or anyone else ...
Spoke his mind ...a policeman's mind ...not pussyfooting like SY.... in my opinion....
So how long did he want?
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How long did The PJ expect to have? The first few months with Amaral in charge found nothing to implicate The McCanns.
£12 million and 7 yrs and still SY can't come up with any thing which resembles Amaral was on the wrong track imo of course,(although its seems as if qualifying a post with imo has fallen by the way side).
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So how long did he want?
More time than he had.....he was in the prosses of having smiths flown over.....
How long do SY want ...is more the question ...
How much more money...do they want ..to throw at nothing...
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The "if" and the question mark "?" gave me a huge clue. Are you being disingenuous, or did you miss it?
Not sure the point you are making Brietta. Are you just asking questions for the sake of it ? I don’t believe OG is ending, although I do think that this is the end of one phase.
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I have found an interesting FOI answer by the Metropolitan Police
2. For each subsequent request for funds please state:
(a) The date on which application for was made for further funding=
This is not held by the MPS. We do not apply for funding, money is allocated by the Home Office.
https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2016/september_2016/information-rights-unit---funding-for-operation-grange
So do the Metropolitan Police apply for funding or not? The Home Office thinks they do.
We have received and are considering a request from the MPS to extend funding for Operation Grange until the end of March 2019.
https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2018/09/25/home-office-in-the-media/
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The Portuguese media seem to think OG has died with a whimper rather than a bang.
Operation Grange - the controversial British police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - has reached the ‘official closure’ of its funding.
At least this is the version of reports circulating in Portugal this week.
http://portugalresident.com/plug-pulled-on-maddie-funding
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LOL.
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Seems all those Team McCann stories planted in the press and Gerry’s appearance on Radio 4 paid off then eh? After all, asn’t the winding down of Operation Grange considered to be behind the recent flurry of media activity? LOL again.
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Seems all those Team McCann stories planted in the press and Gerry’s appearance on Radio 4 paid off then eh? After all, asn’t the winding down of Operation Grange considered to be behind the recent flurry of media activity? LOL again.
The press stories have little to do with finding Madeleine but everything to do with the McCann's ego imo.
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The press stories have little to do with finding Madeleine but everything to do with the McCann's ego imo.
In what way was the press story quoted at the start of this thread anything to do with the McCanns’ ego?
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The press stories have little to do with finding Madeleine but everything to do with the McCann's ego imo.
I have found an interesting tweet from a Guardian journalist on google news page.
Erica Buist
Verified account
@ericabuist
Follow Follow @ericabuist
More Erica Buist Retweeted Sky News Breaking
The headlines when they finally cut all funding to the Madeleine McCann investigation will be huge and, I expect, very shouty. Are they just laying down £150,000 to not have to deal with that right now?
https://twitter.com/ericabuist/status/1062428387308961792?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Enews%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I wonder if the above is true. Also why release the McCann funding news on the same day as news of a possible agreement with Brexit is also released. They would surely have known that they were going to approve this money earlier than now.
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I have found an interesting tweet from a Guardian journalist on google news page.
Erica Buist
Verified account
@ericabuist
Follow Follow @ericabuist
More Erica Buist Retweeted Sky News Breaking
The headlines when they finally cut all funding to the Madeleine McCann investigation will be huge and, I expect, very shouty. Are they just laying down £150,000 to not have to deal with that right now?
https://twitter.com/ericabuist/status/1062428387308961792?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Enews%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I wonder if the above is true. Also why release the McCann funding news on the same day as news of a possible agreement with Brexit is also released. They would surely have known that they were going to approve this money earlier than now.
Maybe let the next Government deal with the fall out.
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I have found an interesting tweet from a Guardian journalist on google news page.
Erica Buist
Verified account
@ericabuist
Follow Follow @ericabuist
More Erica Buist Retweeted Sky News Breaking
The headlines when they finally cut all funding to the Madeleine McCann investigation will be huge and, I expect, very shouty. Are they just laying down £150,000 to not have to deal with that right now?
https://twitter.com/ericabuist/status/1062428387308961792?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Enews%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I wonder if the above is true. Also why release the McCann funding news on the same day as news of a possible agreement with Brexit is also released. They would surely have known that they were going to approve this money earlier than now.
What does she think the Met are waiting for? Another 9/11 before announcing the closure of the investigation? Seeing as how the Brexshit is hitting the fan today, wouldn’t today have been the ideal opportunity to make this announcement? Which is likely to attract more negative comment anyway - more funds for Op Grange or its closure?
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Meanwhile back on topic.
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-search-home-office-to-provide-extra-150k-for-investigation-11553455
Has the plug been pulled or not? Unnamed sources and spokespersons again!
The interesting bit however is this:
In 2013, with the Portuguese police appearing to have made little progress, the Met began its own investigation with Operation Grange. The investigation has explored numerous theories about her disappearance, including that Madeleine was abducted, wandered away from her room alone, or died in the apartment.
The clear implication of what Sky has written being that OG did not limit themselves/were not limited to, the investigation of an abduction ?
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Meanwhile back on topic.
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-search-home-office-to-provide-extra-150k-for-investigation-11553455
Has the plug been pulled or not? Unnamed sources and spokespersons again!
The interesting bit however is this:
In 2013, with the Portuguese police appearing to have made little progress, the Met began its own investigation with Operation Grange. The investigation has explored numerous theories about her disappearance, including that Madeleine was abducted, wandered away from her room alone, or died in the apartment.
The clear implication of what Sky has written being that OG did not limit themselves/were not limited to, the investigation of an abduction ?
Maybe someone moved the goal posts since then?
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Maybe someone moved the goal posts since then?
Do you mean the pitch has changed location?
That is a distinct possibility.
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I have found an interesting tweet from a Guardian journalist on google news page.
Erica Buist
Verified account
@ericabuist
Follow Follow @ericabuist
More Erica Buist Retweeted Sky News Breaking
The headlines when they finally cut all funding to the Madeleine McCann investigation will be huge and, I expect, very shouty. Are they just laying down £150,000 to not have to deal with that right now?
https://twitter.com/ericabuist/status/1062428387308961792?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Enews%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I wonder if the above is true. Also why release the McCann funding news on the same day as news of a possible agreement with Brexit is also released. They would surely have known that they were going to approve this money earlier than now.
Will the possible agreement affect anything to do with the case either here ,Portugal or the ECHR ?
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Another interesting offering in the Mail -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6398977/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-post-messages-hope.html
Mention of £4 million in the fund, rather than a paltry £750,000 and Edgar resurrected again.
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Another interesting offering in the Mail -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6398977/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-post-messages-hope.html
Mention of £4 million in the fund, rather than a paltry £750,000 and Edgar resurrected again.
I think it is a mistake in the article. The fund has received around £4 million I think. From your link
The McCanns have around £4million saved in a public fund to help find their daughter. But they fear this could be swallowed up in legal fees and a potential libel payout to former Portuguese officer Gonçalo Amaral in their ongoing and bitter court battle.
There is a healthy balance of nearly £750,000 sitting in the Find Maddie Fund. The stash of cash - made up mainly of public donations and profits from Kate's bestseller book - has grown over the past financial year, according to the latest accounts.
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I think it is a mistake in the article. The fund has received around £4 million I think. From your link
The McCanns have around £4million saved in a public fund to help find their daughter. But they fear this could be swallowed up in legal fees and a potential libel payout to former Portuguese officer Gonçalo Amaral in their ongoing and bitter court battle.
There is a healthy balance of nearly £750,000 sitting in the Find Maddie Fund. The stash of cash - made up mainly of public donations and profits from Kate's bestseller book - has grown over the past financial year, according to the latest accounts.
I dare say it'll not be the only mistake ?{)(**
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The only post the webmaster has posted in months and it’s a tawdry screenshot ! Where is the message of thanks for the latest injection of cash from the home office to OG ? They are either an outrageously ungrateful pair or.......
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English police already know what happened to little Maddie and will reveal everything soon
Operation Grange agents investigating the Maddie case were in Portugal in secrecy in 2017 and are said to have discovered what happened to the girl.
By João Bénard Garcia | November 16, 2018 at 13:52
https://www.flash.pt/atualidade/detalhe/policia-inglesa-ja-sabe-o-que-aconteceu-a-pequena-maddie-e-vai-revelar-tudo-em-breve
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English police already know what happened to little Maddie and will reveal everything soon
Operation Grange agents investigating the Maddie case were in Portugal in secrecy in 2017 and are said to have discovered what happened to the girl.
By João Bénard Garcia | November 16, 2018 at 13:52
https://www.flash.pt/atualidade/detalhe/policia-inglesa-ja-sabe-o-que-aconteceu-a-pequena-maddie-e-vai-revelar-tudo-em-breve
thats fantastic news...well done SY
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English police already know what happened to little Maddie and will reveal everything soon
Operation Grange agents investigating the Maddie case were in Portugal in secrecy in 2017 and are said to have discovered what happened to the girl.
By João Bénard Garcia | November 16, 2018 at 13:52
https://www.flash.pt/atualidade/detalhe/policia-inglesa-ja-sabe-o-que-aconteceu-a-pequena-maddie-e-vai-revelar-tudo-em-breve
'Little Maddie' implies she didn't grow up to be 'big Maddie'. Journalistic licence or truth?
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The only post the webmaster has posted in months and it’s a tawdry screenshot ! Where is the message of thanks for the latest injection of cash from the home office to OG ? They are either an outrageously ungrateful pair or.......
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Still ploughing the same tedious furrow I see...
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Still ploughing the same tedious furrow I see...
Still responding I see.
Best just skip on by.
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I know its the weekend so can we please avoid the usual conflicts. Posts should be constructive but above all amiable. TY
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Still responding I see.
Best just skip on by.
Isn’t that why you do it? To elicit a response?
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Isn’t that why you do it? To elicit a response?
Of course it is. It wouldn’t be much of a discussion forum if I didn’t expect a response now would it ?
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English police already know what happened to little Maddie and will reveal everything soon
Operation Grange agents investigating the Maddie case were in Portugal in secrecy in 2017 and are said to have discovered what happened to the girl.
By João Bénard Garcia | November 16, 2018 at 13:52
https://www.flash.pt/atualidade/detalhe/policia-inglesa-ja-sabe-o-que-aconteceu-a-pequena-maddie-e-vai-revelar-tudo-em-breve
That article was a surprise "Maddie's parents, Katie and Gerry McCann, have always argued that the daughter is alive. To be truthful, the English girl is now 15 years old."
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Of course it is. It wouldn’t be much of a discussion forum if I didn’t expect a response now would it ?
So the fact that I responded is hardly noteworthy as it was to be expected. I won’t “skip by” when you write imo spiteful dross, I will comment on it, that’s what you expect and no doubt look forward to, you clearly hope to provoke a response as you have in the past and have again succeeded. Well done.
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So the fact that I responded is hardly noteworthy as it was to be expected. I won’t “skip by” when you write imo spiteful dross, I will comment on it, that’s what you expect and no doubt look forward to, you clearly hope to provoke a response as you have in the past and have again succeeded. Well done.
You desperately want me to put you front and centre of my forum life, don’t you VS. My comment wasn’t about you in particular but posting in general.
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Remember the rules please people!! Falling out has never been conducive to proper debate.
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Remember the rules please people!! Falling out has never been conducive to proper debate.
Indeed Angelo. It does much you wonder why some seem so hellbent on making it happen.
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Indeed Angelo. It does much you wonder why some seem so hellbent on making it happen.
Why do you continually make posts designed to start an argument then?
“The only post the webmaster has posted in months and it’s a tawdry screenshot ! Where is the message of thanks for the latest injection of cash from the home office to OG ? They are either an outrageously ungrateful pair or.......
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being a case in point. Angelo too, is guilty of making inflammatory posts of this nature using emotive cliches a plenty designed no doubt to elicit a robust response.
Either “they” are outrageously ungrateful or what? They are not, is that what your three little dots meant?
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Why do you continually make posts designed to start an argument then?
“The only post the webmaster has posted in months and it’s a tawdry screenshot ! Where is the message of thanks for the latest injection of cash from the home office to OG ? They are either an outrageously ungrateful pair or.......
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being a case in point. Angelo too, is guilty of making inflammatory posts of this nature using emotive cliches a plenty designed no doubt to elicit a robust response.
Either “they” are outrageously ungrateful or what? They are not, is that what your three little dots meant?
Yes I've stopped responding to posts that are simply immflamatory in order to start an argument... If Angelo wants to believe the McCann's are the most evil people on earth.... He's welcome but really it's of no importance
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I think the essence of the forum really shows through when informed discussion is allowed to occur with many different points of view being put forward and real information being amicably exchanged.
A shining example of the art can be found where our good friend Pegasus V Misty.
Some of what has passed of late, if not actually designed to have that effect has resulted in a general 'dumbing down' of content and reflects badly on the reputation of the forum ... perhaps contributing to the retreat of serious members.
To that end the misuse of language to describe the HOPE and may I say joy expressed by a caring individual for Madeleine brought on by the Home Office continuation to fund the active police case in existence on her behalf misses the point and is inappropriate.
There is a reality of purpose and of political and police resolve confirmed by that decision; that some may be in denial might be worth discussion of their point of view should they ever wish to express one and I don't think there is a more appropriate forum anywhere on the internet where all reasonable opinion is allowed to be expressed.
I don't think that is a privilege that should be abused or its importance underrated. It is very precious and should be valued as such and we should all consider it when posting.