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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Luke Mitchell and the murder of his teenage girfriend Jodi Jones on 30 June 2003. => Topic started by: Mr Apples on February 14, 2022, 05:34:28 PM
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For many, SM’s failure to corroborate his younger brother’s alibi was one of the most salient pieces of evidence pointing towards LM’s guilt. Despite this, there doesn’t appear to be much information in the public domain regarding SM’s whereabouts that evening, after his infamous internet session between 1650 - 1716 hrs. The only info that does seem to be available around the issue of his whereabouts in the evening is that he left the house shortly after LM did (at approx 1730/1740 hrs) and, according to CM, he was in and out of the house quite a lot that evening (which CM said was a tad annoying as she was trying to have a fly cigarette, after telling her boys she had quit smoking; she mentions this in a podcast). The only other thing that has been mentioned with regards to SM’s whereabouts after 1730 hrs is that he was caught out lying/fabricating about where he had been that night and that he was allegedly, at one point that evening, 7 miles away somewhere filling his car with petrol.Why so far away? We know that he was in the house at 2240 as he had given LM a torch to go out searching for Jodi with (along with the dog, Mia). But, what was he doing over the entire course of that evening? A lot of focus was placed upon CM as possibly the person who was burning blood-stained, forensically incriminating clothing belonging to her son LM in the Mitchells’ log burner. But, could it have been SM solely who was the person burning said clothing? I did read very recently on a youtube comment (not the most reliable source, admittedly) that, in addition to fires being lit in the Mitchells’ garden at 1830 and 2200, there was another sighting of burning taking place in their garden at 0200 on 01.07.03 (in which case, it would have to have been SM doing this, since CM & LM were being questioned at the police station at this time). Or was it a joint effort by the two? Were their clothes tested? Were they smelling of smoke? More to the point, which other aspects of the case was SM cross-examined about or what evidence about him was led at court that was separate from his porn site/car site session?
I would really appreciate your input on this one, preferably with cites.
Thanks.
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there doesn’t appear to be much information in the public domain regarding SM’s whereabouts that evening, after his infamous internet session between 1650 - 1716 hrs. The only info that does seem to be available around the issue of his whereabouts in the evening is that he left the house shortly after LM did (at approx 1730/1740 hrs) and, according to CM, he was in and out of the house quite a lot that evening (which CM said was a tad annoying as she was trying to have a fly cigarette, after telling her boys she had quit smoking; she mentions this in a podcast).
Did Shane Mitchell help his brother dispose of any materials that night?
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Interesting quote from Parky41, on this very forum, a few years ago:
Why did SM travel into Oxgangs later that evening, after 9pm to get fuel? As this is why he said he travelled there, to fuel up the car? - Are there any scrap merchants near Oxgangs that SM used? A mechanic having access to this place? Why Oxgangs for fuel? there were many other stations to get fuel? Tesco just up the road? Was SM disposing of evidence? Why was CM's car spotted elsewhere? Was SM driving it? When she claimed to be home all evening? What are these new claims that her car was at the West end of this path later that evening? only being heard now? - Why are we not hearing about these reports from these witness's who came forward? - Why is SL dismissing these as being wrong or mistaken, or idle gossip? - but asking people to consider every other piece of hearsay? Or unproven claims that the defence sought not to use - why does she feel she is somewhat superior in intelligence to every expert in their field?
Parky41, where did you hear about SM travelling to Oxgangs? Please forward a cite. Or did you read it on that private group you are a member of -- the private group, some of whose members allegedly attended Luke Mitchell's trial between November 2004 and January 2005? It would be very useful indeed if you could post a link to this private group (you can even pm me if you don't wish to divulge this group publicly . . . mum's the word, and all that).
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24th March 2010
Corinne Mitchell
nugnug.
thank you for that post. Everyone should read this book. I know,from experience that it can happen to anyone. We were an normal, law abiding family with no problems. None of us had been in trouble with the police. It is really scary, in this day and age that this can happen.
Who supplied Shane Mitchell, Corinne Mitchell & L Mitchell their drugs
Where was Shane Mitchell on the night of the murder and what was he doing
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/03/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-42/
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Interesting quote from Parky41, on this very forum, a few years ago:
Why did SM travel into Oxgangs later that evening, after 9pm to get fuel? As this is why he said he travelled there, to fuel up the car? - Are there any scrap merchants near Oxgangs that SM used? A mechanic having access to this place? Why Oxgangs for fuel? there were many other stations to get fuel? Tesco just up the road? Was SM disposing of evidence? Why was CM's car spotted elsewhere? Was SM driving it? When she claimed to be home all evening? What are these new claims that her car was at the West end of this path later that evening? only being heard now? - Why are we not hearing about these reports from these witness's who came forward? - Why is SL dismissing these as being wrong or mistaken, or idle gossip? - but asking people to consider every other piece of hearsay? Or unproven claims that the defence sought not to use - why does she feel she is somewhat superior in intelligence to every expert in their field?
So much in this campaign/case has been hidden
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For many, SM’s failure to corroborate his younger brother’s alibi was one of the most salient pieces of evidence pointing towards LM’s guilt. Despite this, there doesn’t appear to be much information in the public domain regarding SM’s whereabouts that evening, after his infamous internet session between 1650 - 1716 hrs. The only info that does seem to be available around the issue of his whereabouts in the evening is that he left the house shortly after LM did (at approx 1730/1740 hrs) and, according to CM, he was in and out of the house quite a lot that evening (which CM said was a tad annoying as she was trying to have a fly cigarette, after telling her boys she had quit smoking;
So many lies
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and, according to CM, he was in and out of the house quite a lot that evening (which CM said was a tad annoying as she was trying to have a fly cigarette, after telling her boys she had quit smoking; she mentions this in a podcast).
Telling too
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But, could it have been SM solely who was the person burning said clothing? I did read very recently on a youtube comment (not the most reliable source, admittedly) that, in addition to fires being lit in the Mitchells’ garden at 1830 and 2200, there was another sighting of burning taking place in their garden at 0200 on 01.07.03 (in which case, it would have to have been SM doing this, since CM & LM were being questioned at the police station at this time). Or was it a joint effort by the two? Were their clothes tested? Were they smelling of smoke? More to the point, which other aspects of the case was SM cross-examined about or what evidence about him was led at court that was separate from his porn site/car site session?
Did you read Shaun Hall’s (Brother of killer Simon Hall) fantastical witness statement about travelling to Lincolnshire for the Christmas family meal on the 16th December 2001 and of him swapping bracelets with his brother Simon around the time forensics were carried out on the cars?
Shaun Hall never went on the family Christmas meal by the way nor was he collected by Phil Hall on the morning of Sunday the 16th Dec but only claims to ‘remember’ this after Suffolk police make arrests on the 25th of July 2002
Killers and their family members/enablers can and do lie.
There is definitely more to Shane Mitchell and his movements than has been told up until now, especially given the fact he was arrested and charged with perverting the course of justice.
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f/
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For many, SM’s failure to corroborate his younger brother’s alibi was one of the most salient pieces of evidence pointing towards LM’s guilt. Despite this, there doesn’t appear to be much information in the public domain regarding SM’s whereabouts that evening, after his infamous internet session between 1650 - 1716 hrs. The only info that does seem to be available around the issue of his whereabouts in the evening is that he left the house shortly after LM did (at approx 1730/1740 hrs) and, according to CM, he was in and out of the house quite a lot that evening (which CM said was a tad annoying as she was trying to have a fly cigarette, after telling her boys she had quit smoking; she mentions this in a podcast). The only other thing that has been mentioned with regards to SM’s whereabouts after 1730 hrs is that he was caught out lying/fabricating about where he had been that night and that he was allegedly, at one point that evening, 7 miles away somewhere filling his car with petrol.Why so far away? We know that he was in the house at 2240 as he had given LM a torch to go out searching for Jodi with (along with the dog, Mia). But, what was he doing over the entire course of that evening? A lot of focus was placed upon CM as possibly the person who was burning blood-stained, forensically incriminating clothing belonging to her son LM in the Mitchells’ log burner. But, could it have been SM solely who was the person burning said clothing? I did read very recently on a youtube comment (not the most reliable source, admittedly) that, in addition to fires being lit in the Mitchells’ garden at 1830 and 2200, there was another sighting of burning taking place in their garden at 0200 on 01.07.03 (in which case, it would have to have been SM doing this, since CM & LM were being questioned at the police station at this time). Or was it a joint effort by the two? Were their clothes tested? Were they smelling of smoke? More to the point, which other aspects of the case was SM cross-examined about or what evidence about him was led at court that was separate from his porn site/car site session?
I would really appreciate your input on this one, preferably with cites.
Thanks.
It is not known if Shaun Hall was also arrested on the 25th of July 2002 but his police witness statement was made at an Ipswich police station, whilst his brother was taken to a different police station
Shaun Hall lied in his 25th of July 2002 police witness statement
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Why is SL dismissing these as being wrong or mistaken, or idle gossip? - but asking people to consider every other piece of hearsay? Or unproven claims that the defence sought not to use - why does she feel she is somewhat superior in intelligence to every expert in their field?[/b]
Sandra Lean has been purposefully deflecting away from Shane Mitchell and his antics that night
Also, for example, Shaun Hall stated:
‘I do not recall anything unusual about Simon over that weekend, other than the usual, he had no money’
Shaun Hall didn’t see his brother that weekend
But if you read his witness statement it sounds like Shaun has spoken to either his parents Lynne and Phil, or brother Simon about the Christmas family meal as he,went into detail about their timings and where there went after the meal etc
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Interesting quote from Parky41, on this very forum, a few years ago:
Why is SL dismissing these as being wrong or mistaken, or idle gossip? - but asking people to consider every other piece of hearsay? Or unproven claims that the defence sought not to use - why does she feel she is somewhat superior in intelligence to every expert in their field?
Shaun Hall was also listed as a witness in the trial but a search online regarding this brings up nothing and Sandra Lean says nothing in her book ‘No Smoke’ about Shaun’s blatant lies to Suffolk police on the 25th of July 2002 either
Nor does Sandra Lean mention anything about Shaun and Simon Hall swapping bracelets
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Shaun Hall was also listed as a witness in the trial but a search online regarding this brings up nothing and Sandra Lean says nothing in her book ‘No Smoke’ about Shaun’s blatant lies to Suffolk police on the 25th of July 2002 either
Nor does Sandra Lean mention anything about Shaun and Simon Hall swapping bracelets
Why hasn’t Sandra Lean told all the people she is duping about Shane Mitchell’s exact movements on the night of [Name removed]’s murder and what exactly Shane Mitchell was doing?
Was Shane Mitchell in the back garden helping his younger brother burn the clothes or did Shane or Corinne take the clothing Luke was wearing with them in the car, along with his knives, and dispose of them as far away as they could?
Simon Hall didn’t dispose of the clothes and shoes he was wearing until the Monday morning - the Mitchell’s had four days to get rid of incrimatimg eveidnece and clean up the log burner for example
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The only other thing that has been mentioned with regards to SM’s whereabouts after 1730 hrs is that he was caught out lying/fabricating about where he had been that night and that he was allegedly, at one point that evening, 7 miles away somewhere filling his car with petrol.Why so far away? We know that he was in the house at 2240 as he had given LM a torch to go out searching for Jodi with (along with the dog, Mia). But, what was he doing over the entire course of that evening?
Was Shane Mitchell definitely in the house at 2240 and did he really give his younger brother Luke a torch?
Luke was seen by one of the neighbours at 10:00pm that night walking past his house so where exactly had he been or where was he going?
Sandra Lean doesn’t include the 10pm sighting of Luke in her 2010 timeline below
Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
9pm After hanging around the abbey for a couple of hours, the boys head for home. Luke goes up to his room and puts on a video of Red dwarf.
10.30pm Luke takes the dog for her last walk of the evening.
10.39pm Judy sends a text to Lukes phone, Right Toad, say goodnight toLuke. Thats you grounded for another week.
If Luke really did take Mia out for a walk ar 10:30pm wouldn’t he have had a torch with him then?
Did the police seize a torch from Luke when he was taken to the police station and if so did the torch have Shane’s fingerprints on it?
And why did Shane keep a torch in his bedroom? Didn’t Corinne claim Luke went up the stairs to get his brothers torch or he came down with it or something?
What did Shane say about the torch in his police witness statement ?
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If the police really thought Luke was a suspect in the early morning hours of the 1st of July 2003, wouldn’t they have seized the torch and carried out forensic tests on it?
What date was Luke/Shane’s torch seized and what were the forensic test results of the torch?
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If the police really thought Luke was a suspect in the early morning hours of the 1st of July 2003, wouldn’t they have seized the torch and carried out forensic tests on it?
What date was Luke/Shane’s torch seized and what were the forensic test results of the torch?
Didn’t the money making scam of a TV show claim the torch was extra bright or something ?
What was the make and model of the torch ?
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Didn’t the money making scam of a TV show claim the torch was extra bright or something ?
What was the make and model of the torch ?
Also according to fantasist and blagger Scott Forbes he’s recently claimed;
’Alice Walker said when she was on Roan’s Dyke Path, after 11 p.m., they didn't always have the torches on as it was light’
So what’s the real story with this torch?
If it wasn’t dark and Luke took Mia out at 10,30pm without a torch why did he need a torch 2o minutes later?
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But, could it have been SM solely who was the person burning said clothing? I did read very recently on a youtube comment (not the most reliable source, admittedly) that, in addition to fires being lit in the Mitchells’ garden at 1830 and 2200, there was another sighting of burning taking place in their garden at 0200 on 01.07.03 (in which case, it would have to have been SM doing this, since CM & LM were being questioned at the police station at this time). Or was it a joint effort by the two? Were their clothes tested? Were they smelling of smoke? More to the point, which other aspects of the case was SM cross-examined about or what evidence about him was led at court that was separate from his porn site/car site session?
It’s been over 20 years since Joan Albert was murdered and Shaun Hall still hasn’t explained why he initially lied to the police about his movements on Sunday the 16th of December 2001
Shane Mitchell’s silence is not dissimilar to Shaun Hall’s
If Shane Mitchell thought Luke were innocent, he obviously doesn’t, he would have spoken out long before now
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What does Sandra Lean’s book say about the torch ?
On what date was the torch seized by police?
What, if any, forensic testing was carried out on the torch?
And if testing was carried out, were fingerprints of Shane and Luke Mitchell’s found on the torch?
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Corinne Mitchell claimed during the scam TV show that Luke ‘borrowed the torch and off he went’
Why didn’t Corinne or Shane go with Luke?
Why did they allow a 14 year old boy to go out at that time of night on his own?
And what were Corinne and Shane Mitchell doing while Luke was out the house and why did Corinne only make contact with her 14 year old son Luke at gone midnight?
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Did Luke Mitchell cut his hair at, or around the time of his murder of [Name removed]?
See photo below
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/04/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-43/
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Also according to fantasist and blagger Scott Forbes he’s recently claimed;
’Alice Walker said when she was on Roan’s Dyke Path, after 11 p.m., they didn't always have the torches on as it was light’
Luke Mitchell claimed it was ‘dark’
He stated;
‘It was late at night, it was dark, it was in the woods’
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Ben Sole said of Luke Mitchell that he had ‘once also commented how easy it would be to stab someone in the eye with a corkscrew’
Simon Hall talked about stabbing someone in the eye with a pen/pencil
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Corinne Mitchell claimed during the scam TV show that Luke ‘borrowed the torch and off he went’
Why didn’t Corinne or Shane go with Luke?
Why did they allow a 14 year old boy to go out at that time of night on his own?
Corrine and Shane Mitchell have never explained why neither one of them went with Luke to search for [Name removed]
What was said in court during the trial about this fact?
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A lot of focus was placed upon CM as possibly the person who was burning blood-stained, forensically incriminating clothing belonging to her son LM in the Mitchells’ log burner. But, could it have been SM solely who was the person burning said clothing? I did read very recently on a youtube comment (not the most reliable source, admittedly) that, in addition to fires being lit in the Mitchells’ garden at 1830 and 2200, there was another sighting of burning taking place in their garden at 0200 on 01.07.03 (in which case, it would have to have been SM doing this, since CM & LM were being questioned at the police station at this time). Or was it a joint effort by the two? Were their clothes tested? Were they smelling of smoke? More to the point, which other aspects of the case was SM cross-examined about or what evidence about him was led at court that was separate from his porn site/car site session?
Luke Mitchell told the police his mother and brother had a fire in the garden that night
And Corinne Mitchell admitted during the trial she might have been burning pampas grass or something or other
So there was definitely a fire in the Mitchell’s garden that night
Does anyone know what Shane said during his brothers trial about the fire him and his mother were having that night in the back garden?
And was the petrol from the garage put into the car or into a petrol can?
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Shane Mitchell, 23, initially told police he had returned to the house in Dalkeith, Midlothian, at 3.40pm.
But a few days later, he contacted a detective and admitted he had actually arrived back about 4.55pm.
The High Court in Edinburgh also heard that tests on Shane's computer revealed that porn websites had been accessed between 4.53pm and 5.16pm that day.
There were also 100 porn images stored on the computer.
Shane told Alan Turnbull, prosecuting, that he provided police with a 'very lengthy' statement three days after Jodi's death on June 30, 2003.
In it, he described what he did at home after arriving at 3.40pm.
But on July 7, Shane contacted the detective who had taken the first statement and changed his story.
He told the court: 'I wanted to make a second statement because there were errors in my first one.'
Shane said he was questioned by police on the day Luke was arrested last April. Officers told Shane they suspected he had deliberately given them false information.
Shane said he had visited Luke two or three times since he was arrested.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/LUKE%27S+BROTHER+CHANGED+STORY+OF+DEATH+DAY%3B+Trial+hears+of+%27mistake%27.-a0126876476
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Also according to fantasist and blagger Scott Forbes he’s recently claimed;
’Alice Walker said when she was on Roan’s Dyke Path, after 11 p.m., they didn't always have the torches on as it was light’
So what’s the real story with this torch?
If it wasn’t dark and Luke took Mia out at 10,30pm without a torch why did he need a torch 2o minutes later?
Another prop?
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Part 46
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/05/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-46/
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Shane Mitchell, 23, initially told police he had returned to the house in Dalkeith, Midlothian, at 3.40pm.
But a few days later, he contacted a detective and admitted he had actually arrived back about 4.55pm.
The High Court in Edinburgh also heard that tests on Shane's computer revealed that porn websites had been accessed between 4.53pm and 5.16pm that day.
There were also 100 porn images stored on the computer.
Shane told Alan Turnbull, prosecuting, that he provided police with a 'very lengthy' statement three days after Jodi's death on June 30, 2003.
In it, he described what he did at home after arriving at 3.40pm.
But on July 7, Shane contacted the detective who had taken the first statement and changed his story.
He told the court: 'I wanted to make a second statement because there were errors in my first one.'
Shane said he was questioned by police on the day Luke was arrested last April. Officers told Shane they suspected he had deliberately given them false information.
Shane said he had visited Luke two or three times since he was arrested.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/LUKE%27S+BROTHER+CHANGED+STORY+OF+DEATH+DAY%3B+Trial+hears+of+%27mistake%27.-a0126876476
What deliberate false information did Shane Mitchell give to the police and why hasn’t he, Sandra Lean or Scott Forbes published his police witness statements in full?
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Who supplied Shane Mitchell, Corinne Mitchell & L Mitchell their drugs
Why did Shane Mitchell threaten JOF when he left court?
Does anyone have any more info on this?
‘[Name removed] denied any involvement but was threatened when he left court by Mitchell's elder brother, Shane’
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+FEEL+SICK%3B+JODI+JONES%3A+THE+AFTERMATH+EXCLUSIVE%3A+Pal+reveals...-a0127512565
And who supplied Shane and Corinne Mitchell their cannabis?
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Does anyone know what Shane said during his brothers trial about the fire him and his mother were having that night in the back garden?
And was the petrol from the garage put into the car or into a petrol can?
What exactly were Corinne and Shane Mitchell burning in the back garden that night?
Para 154
The first of these replies is that at page 17 of the transcript concerning the fire at the log burner in the back garden on 30 June 2003. The appellant agreed that his mother and brother had had a fire. Looking at the questioning to which that reply was given, no unfairness strikes us as being involved.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Was Corinne Mitchell interested in satanism - is this where killer Luke Mitchell’s interest stemmed from ?
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What exactly were Corinne and Shane Mitchell burning in the back garden that night?
Para 154
The first of these replies is that at page 17 of the transcript concerning the fire at the log burner in the back garden on 30 June 2003. The appellant agreed that his mother and brother had had a fire. Looking at the questioning to which that reply was given, no unfairness strikes us as being involved.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Was Corinne Mitchell interested in satanism - is this where killer Luke Mitchell’s interest stemmed from ?
What about Shane Mitchell?
Did he ever display an interest in satanism?
What did his friends around the time say about Shane?
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‘The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
What does fantasist and blagger Scott Forbes say about toxic, abusive and psychologically manipulative Corinne Mitchell’s past?
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Who is the female filmed with Corinne Mitchell at around 19:17 (seemingly holding hands) here
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
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Who supplied Shane Mitchell, Corinne Mitchell & L Mitchell their drugs
Did killer Luke Mitchell supply his mother and brothers drugs or did they have separate suppliers?
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Who is the female filmed with Corinne Mitchell at around 19:17 (seemingly holding hands) here
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
Is the female in the above (with Corinne Mitchell) the same female mentioned in paragraph 5 of the CoA judgement?
‘On 16 November 2004 it was discovered that the then girlfriend of the appellant had a connection with a juror: she used to be the girlfriend of that juror's son, who himself had attended the same school as the appellant and the deceased. https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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Who is the female filmed with Corinne Mitchell at around 19:17 (seemingly holding hands) here
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
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Was that Gemma Chapman or someone else?
Was this the same girlfriend who spoke to the press?
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Was that Gemma Chapman or someone else?
Was this the same girlfriend who spoke to the press?
TWISTED killer Luke Mitchell has a secret girlfriend who is standing by him despite his murder of Jodi Jones.
Seventeen-year-old Gemma Chapman has vowed to remain loyal to Mitchell, convicted 10 days ago of butchering his lover Jodi.
Gemma, who lives near Edinburgh with her parents, sat with Mitchell's mum Corinne during the trial.
And last week she was spotted coming out of Polmont Young Offender's Institute in Stirlingshire after visiting her boyfriend.
The black-haired student, who wears a lip stud, spent more than an hour visiting Mitchell, 16, after his first night at Polmont.
News of her relationship with devil worshipper Mitchell has outraged locals in her Lothian neighbourhood.
One resident said: "When we saw Gemma on TV we couldn't believe our eyes. There has been so much interest in this case that we couldn't avoid all the stories in the news over the last year.
"But I switched the TV on for an update last week and had to look twice when I saw Gemma outside the court.
"This is a small place and it's amazing that someone in our street is linked to the Mitchell boy.
"You can see that they have something in common. Pictures of Luke wearing black gothic clothing mirrors Gemma's style."
At the High Court in Edinburgh, a jury found Mitchell guilty of killing and mutilating 14-year-old Jodi on June 30, 2003.
Mitchell, who was obsessed with Satanism and shock rocker Marilyn Manson, throttled Jodi with his bare hands and slit her throat.
Psychopath Mitchell then stripped her, scattering her clothes and glasses around her, before using her trousers to tie her hands behind her back.
Then he mutilated her beyond recognition, slitting her eyelids and her cheek from ear to mouth.
He cut her breast and then carved her stomach open in three places before finally sticking the knife in Jodi's mouth, piercing her tonsils.
But, despite the horrifying nature of his crime, Gemma has stood by him.
A friend said: "Gemma hasn't done anything wrong. It's not a crime to go out with someone, regardless of what they've done.
"She's old enough to make her own decisions. It shows she has quite a lot of maturity to stand by Mitchell and support him."
At their home yesterday, Gemma's parents refused to comment.
Despite his odd appearance and sickening habits - including a bedroom crammed full of urine bottles - Mitchell has had no shortage of girlfriends.
It emerged during his trial that he was seeing 15-year-old Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire, at the same time as he was going out with Jodi.
Kimberley, who bears an uncanny resemblance to Jodi, met Mitchell when he visited Kenmore on holiday.
After his conviction it emerged that another girlfriend, Kara Van Nuil, from Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, had been threatened with a knife just weeks before Mitchell, then 14, killed Jodi.
Another girlfriend has also revealed how she dumped Mitchell because he smoked so much dope he became a "zombie".
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/SECRET+LOVE+OF+KILLER%3B+EXCLUSIVE+JODI+KILLER'S+NEW+GIRL+REVEALED.-a0127912079
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Was that Gemma Chapman or someone else?
Was this the same girlfriend who spoke to the press?
https://www.scotsman.com/news/girlfriend-jodis-killer-speaks-her-love-him-2512833
Who is the female filmed with Corinne Mitchell at around 19:17 (seemingly holding hands) here
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
Why did toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell choose to use Gemma like she did in front of the media?
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Who is the female filmed with Corinne Mitchell at around 19:17 (seemingly holding hands) here
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
Do you recall Gemma C’s letter,
“I could go on all day telling of four or five different people who could have murdered Jodi and the funny thing is, all of them would have more evidence to prove it was them than Luke did’
More than likely Mitchell’s words
Did charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean, or her daughter, ever meet with Gemma Chapman?
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Is the female in the above (with Corinne Mitchell) the same female mentioned in paragraph 5 of the CoA judgement?
‘On 16 November 2004 it was discovered that the then girlfriend of the appellant had a connection with a juror: she used to be the girlfriend of that juror's son, who himself had attended the same school as the appellant and the deceased. https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
How did killer Luke Mitchell know, and meet, Gemma Chapman?
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How did killer Luke Mitchell know, and meet, Gemma Chapman?
Did Laura Whiteman know Gemma Chapman?
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How did killer Luke Mitchell know, and meet, Gemma Chapman?
“It's so painful being away from the man I love and I feel angry because I don't know the truth and I'm still standing by him”
Presumably killer Luke Mitchell met Gemma prior to his arrest on the 14th April 2004?
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“It's so painful being away from the man I love and I feel angry because I don't know the truth and I'm still standing by him”
Presumably killer Luke Mitchell met Gemma prior to his arrest on the 14th April 2004?
What does gouger and blagger Sandra Lean say in her second book about Gemma Chapman and killer Luke Mitchell’s original trial being stopped because of someone she knew on the jury?
Here http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336768&page=4
Sandra Lean stated (22nd August 2019, 12:22 AM)
‘The girl lived in Kenmore, which is, in fact, over two hours' drive from Newbattle, where Luke lived (for some reason, having been there many times in my younger days, I thought it was just over an hour away).
Luke still spoke with her on the phone, but they had not been together physically since New Year 2003 - he and Jodi got together around the end of March, beginning of April that year.
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What does gouger and blagger Sandra Lean say in her second book about Gemma Chapman and killer Luke Mitchell’s original trial being stopped because of someone she knew on the jury?
Sandra Lean
There was no evidence that Jodi knew about Luke's previous relationship with her and an intended holiday to Kenmore in the summer of 2003 had been cancelled by Corinne prior to Jodi's death - Luke and Jodi were supposed to be at a sleepover in Midlothian the weekend after the murder to celebrate a friend's birthday.
The judge said, at Luke's sentencing, Jodi left "joyfully" to meet him that evening. Her mother said Jodi was "chuffed" to be getting out to see Luke. Jodi indicated in her diary that she would be devastated if Luke finished with her - it seems reasonable to assume she'd be equally distraught if she found out Luke was cheating on her, yet there were no signs of her being disturbed or upset in any way on the afternoon of June 30th, before she left home.
Charlatan Sandra Lean couldn’t possibly know how [Name removed] was feeling that day
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Is the female in the above (with Corinne Mitchell) the same female mentioned in paragraph 5 of the CoA judgement?
‘On 16 November 2004 it was discovered that the then girlfriend of the appellant had a connection with a juror: she used to be the girlfriend of that juror's son, who himself had attended the same school as the appellant and the deceased. https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
JuJ and the rest of [Name removed]’s family were shocked when they learned about Kimberly T during the trial
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‘On 16 November 2004 it was discovered that the then girlfriend of the appellant had a connection with a juror: she used to be the girlfriend of that juror's son, who himself had attended the same school as the appellant and the deceased. https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Does Gemma Chapman still support sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell?
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Who is the female filmed with Corinne Mitchell at around 19:17 (seemingly holding hands) here
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
When did toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell meet Gemma Chapman?
“When we saw Gemma on TV we couldn't believe our eyes. There has been so much interest in this case that we couldn't avoid all the stories in the news over the last year.
"But I switched the TV on for an update last week and had to look twice when I saw Gemma outside the court.
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Who is the female filmed with Corinne Mitchell at around 19:17 (seemingly holding hands) here
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
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‘Lust’ killer Luke Mitchell had Gemma Chapman at trial
Laura Whiteman with him on the day of [Name removed]’s funeral
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(http://i.imgur.com/Wixes.jpg)
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“The court later hears that it appeared that Mitchell had deleted his mobile phone's register of recently dialled numbers at some point on the night Jodi died.
Derek Morris, a civilian employee of Lothian and Borders Police, analysed the mobile phone's call records during the investigation.
He says only one number - that of Mitchell's mother's mobile phone - was stored in the phone's list of recently made calls.
Asked by Mr Turnbull why no more calls were listed, Mr Morris, 56, says: "Basically because the call register had been deleted.'
He adds that "in all probability" the register had been deleted just after half past midnight in the early hours of July 1 2003.
The court was also read the contents of some text messages said to have been deleted from Mitchell's mobile phone. These had been recovered during the investigation.
One, sent on June 27 2003, said: "Luke it's Kim. I'm at my Gran's. Can you phone me?" and finished by saying "Love u x Kim x".
Another, sent at 12.29am on July 1 2003, was from Mitchell's mother, saying: "You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you." The jury is told that the prosecution evidence may be completed next week.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/amp/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+In+terms+of+the+location+and+type+of...-a0126827148
Scott Forbes
Heeding some bad advice, Luke Mitchell agreed to be interviewed on the day of the funeral and spoke to Sky News.
‘Bad advice’ by Corinne Mitchell
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Scott Forbes
Heeding some bad advice, Luke Mitchell agreed to be interviewed on the day of the funeral and spoke to Sky News.
‘Bad advice’ by Corinne Mitchell
At around 18:00 here ➡️ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
Toxic and abusive Corinne Mitchell laughted after she told Sam Poling her planned interview with her killer son and Sky TV ‘back fired’
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At around 18:00 here ➡️ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
Toxic and abusive Corinne Mitchell laughted after she told Sam Poling her planned interview with her killer son and Sky TV ‘back fired’
Corinne Mitchell and her killer son planned this (Sky News) entire interview
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’Mr Turnbull asked: 'Is it just a coincidence that between 6.30pm and 7pm neighbours noticed the smell of burning coming from your back garden?'
Mrs Mitchell replied:'I could have been burning pampas grass because I was trimming it.'
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https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+DIDN%27T+HELP+TO+COVER+UP+JODI+MURDER%3B+Denial+by+mother.-a0127122253
Luke Mitchell told the police his mother and brother had a fire in the garden that night
And Corinne Mitchell admitted during the trial she might have been burning pampas grass or something or other
So there was definitely a fire in the Mitchell’s garden that night
Does anyone know what Shane said during his brothers trial about the fire him and his mother were having that night in the back garden?
And was the petrol from the garage put into the car or into a petrol can?
How many fires in the back garden of the Mitchell’s does Sandra Lean refer to her book?
And does Sandra Lean say what time Corrine Mitchell was allegedly ‘trimming’ the ‘pampas grass’ and whether or not it was raining when she was allegedly trimming it?
Mrs Mitchell said she might have burnt some grass at the time but did not use the burner.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4174661.stm
How many fires did the Mitchell’s have in their garden that night ?
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’Mr Turnbull asked: 'Is it just a coincidence that between 6.30pm and 7pm neighbours noticed the smell of burning coming from your back garden?'
Mrs Mitchell replied:'I could have been burning pampas grass because I was trimming it.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+DIDN%27T+HELP+TO+COVER+UP+JODI+MURDER%3B+Denial+by+mother.-a0127122253
Burning pampas grass
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zUh61SFUZsE
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’Mr Turnbull asked: 'Is it just a coincidence that between 6.30pm and 7pm neighbours noticed the smell of burning coming from your back garden?'
Mrs Mitchell replied:'I could have been burning pampas grass because I was trimming it.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+DIDN%27T+HELP+TO+COVER+UP+JODI+MURDER%3B+Denial+by+mother.-a0127122253
Part of the garden at around 18:56 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
Does anyone know where the pampas grass was located in the garden and whether or not there was evidence it appeared to have been ‘trimmed’ and burned?
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‘She then revealed that Mitchell phoned her at 12.30am after Jodi's body had been found but he never mentioned that.
She said: 'I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble. He would not answer and then he finally phoned and said, 'I can't talk, I have to go.' 'He phoned back again and when I asked what happened he said, 'I can't tell you.' 'I heard a man's voice in the background and Luke said it was a policeman and I asked to speak to him.'
Mr Turnbull: 'Luke calls you twice and didn't tell you what had happened to Jodi?'
Mrs Mitchell: 'That's right.' Mr Turnbull: 'Because, Mrs Mitchell, you already knew.'
Why did Corinne Mitchell tell the jury her killer son was ‘late’ and ‘in trouble’?
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‘She then revealed that Mitchell phoned her at 12.30am after Jodi's body had been found but he never mentioned that.
She said: 'I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble.
‘Late and in trouble’ ?
Why wasn’t Corinne Mitchell concerned for [Name removed]?
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‘She then revealed that Mitchell phoned her at 12.30am after Jodi's body had been found but he never mentioned that.
She said: 'I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble.
Wouldn’t toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell have been phoning her killer son to find out if [Name removed]’s had been found?
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‘She then revealed that Mitchell phoned her at 12.30am after Jodi's body had been found but he never mentioned that.
She said: 'I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble’
Why did Corinne Mitchell tell the jury her killer son was ‘late’ and ‘in trouble’?
‘The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
Why would toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell claim her killer son was in ‘trouble’ when he claimed it had been her suggestion for him out to go and search for [Name removed]?
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If sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell and his abusive enablers have nothing to hide, publish Shane Mitchell’s statement too
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‘Shane tells the court he gave a number of statements to police in the weeks following Jodi's death.
Advocate Depute Alan Turnbull QC reads from the statement given on July 3 where Shane tells police he returned home from work at 3.40pm.
Shane says that he cannot remember what he said. He agrees he made a second statement on July 7 but he could not remember exactly how it came about.
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’Mr Turnbull asked: 'Is it just a coincidence that between 6.30pm and 7pm neighbours noticed the smell of burning coming from your back garden?'
Mrs Mitchell replied:'I could have been burning pampas grass because I was trimming it.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+DIDN%27T+HELP+TO+COVER+UP+JODI+MURDER%3B+Denial+by+mother.-a0127122253
Toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell told the court
'I have no reason to put the burner on’
So how did she burn the pampas grass?
And what did Alan Turnbull ask her about this?
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In a statement given to police on July 7, 2003, Shane Mitchell said he recalled seeing his brother in the kitchen "mashing tatties".
The High Court in Edinburgh heard that his mother had given a statement the previous day also claiming that Luke was in the kitchen that evening "cooking pies and mashing potatoes".
But the jury previously heard that when Shane was questioned by police on April 14 last year he said he had not seen Luke in the house on the evening of June 30, 2003, and that he had been looking at pornography on his computer in his bedroom.
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In a statement given to police on July 7, 2003, Shane Mitchell said he recalled seeing his brother in the kitchen "mashing tatties".
The High Court in Edinburgh heard that his mother had given a statement the previous day also claiming that Luke was in the kitchen that evening "cooking pies and mashing potatoes".
But the jury previously heard that when Shane was questioned by police on April 14 last year he said he had not seen Luke in the house on the evening of June 30, 2003, and that he had been looking at pornography on his computer in his bedroom.
Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, read sections of Shane’s statement from July 7 to the jury.
I went into the hallway and shouted out and then went upstairs to the bathroom to wash my hands. About five minutes later I came straight back down. When I was in the bathroom I left the door open.
Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him
He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been
Barefaced lies by Shane Mitchell 👆🏽
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Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, read sections of Shane’s statement from July 7 to the jury.
I went into the hallway and shouted out and then went upstairs to the bathroom to wash my hands. About five minutes later I came straight back down. When I was in the bathroom I left the door open.
Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him
He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been
Barefaced lies by Shane Mitchell 👆🏽
Barefaced lies by Corinne Mitchell
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When I got home Luke was in the kitchen first of all. Luke then strained the potatoes and mashed them. At that point I think Shane came in and I could smell the pies in the oven and I asked one of them to take them out, commenting that Luke had overdone them
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Mr Turnbull then asked: "How can it be you gave information to police which was incorrect and then give information about mashing tatties and burnt pies.
"Before you gave that statement did you discuss with anyone what you should say to police?"
Mr Mitchell replied: "In a way."
Mr Turnbull said: "Who"
Mitchell replied: "My mother”
Asked what his mother had said to him after giving her statement Mr Mitchell replied: "She said to me: ‘You came in and Luke was with us and we had tatties for dinner, then you went back out again."
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Mr Turnbull then asked: "How can it be you gave information to police which was incorrect and then give information about mashing tatties and burnt pies.
"Before you gave that statement did you discuss with anyone what you should say to police?"
Mr Mitchell replied: "In a way."
Mr Turnbull said: "Who"
Mitchell replied: "My mother”
Asked what his mother had said to him after giving her statement Mr Mitchell replied: "She said to me: ‘You came in and Luke was with us and we had tatties for dinner, then you went back out again."
What was Shane Mitchell really doing that night?
Was he helping to dispose of incriminating evidence?
Did Shane Mitchell get the fire started in the garden at around 18:30hrs?
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Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, read sections of Shane’s statement from July 7 to the jury.
I went into the hallway and shouted out and then went upstairs to the bathroom to wash my hands. About five minutes later I came straight back down. When I was in the bathroom I left the door open.
Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him
He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been
Barefaced lies by Shane Mitchell 👆🏽
Shaun Hall told similar bare faced lies in his first police witness statement
Shaun Hall
‘I remained at home with Leigh and X for the rest of the day and overnight in to Sunday morning, 16th December 2001, when at about 9.30am my father collected me in his company car along with Simon
We three then returned to Capel St Mary to collect my mother, from where we then continued on to Lincolnshire
We all had lunch together with my maternal Grandparents, Raymond and Joyce *******, and my mothers brother Steve, and his wife and daughter, X and X *******. There were about eight (8) other persons present whose names I cannot recall
After lunch (at a pub, the name of which I do not recall), we went on to my Grandparents’ home, where we remained until about 5pm
My parents Simon and I then travelled back to Suffolk, where they dropped me off at home at about 7.30pm
(Source: http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f/)
And like Shane Mitchell, Shaun Hall may well have been coached by his mother Lynne Hall or he may have spoken to his killer brother Simon Hall with regards the families movements on Sunday the 16th of Dec 2001
Shaun Hall didn’t travel up to Lincolnshire on that Sunday (He stayed in Ipswich with Leigh and X) - he lied in an attempt to pervert the course of justice
If killer Luke Mitchell and his toxic and abusive mother Corinne, and brother Shane, had nothing to hide, they would have told the truth from the start
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Who is the female filmed with Corinne Mitchell at around 19:17 (seemingly holding hands) here
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
Re Gemma Chapman
That relationship ended but he has since been seen kissing another girl who has joined his mum Corinne on trips to the jail.
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‘She then revealed that Mitchell phoned her at 12.30am after Jodi's body had been found but he never mentioned that.
She said: 'I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble. He would not answer and then he finally phoned and said, 'I can't talk, I have to go.' 'He phoned back again and when I asked what happened he said, 'I can't tell you.' 'I heard a man's voice in the background and Luke said it was a policeman and I asked to speak to him.'
Mr Turnbull: 'Luke calls you twice and didn't tell you what had happened to Jodi?'
Mrs Mitchell: 'That's right.' Mr Turnbull: 'Because, Mrs Mitchell, you already knew.'
Why did Corinne Mitchell tell the jury her killer son was ‘late’ and ‘in trouble’?
What time did hoaxer Sandra Lean claim the police phoned Corinne Mitchell?
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Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, read sections of Shane’s statement from July 7 to the jury.
I went into the hallway and shouted out and then went upstairs to the bathroom to wash my hands. About five minutes later I came straight back down. When I was in the bathroom I left the door open.
Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him
He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been
Barefaced lies by Shane Mitchell 👆🏽
Look at the lying details Shane Mitchell gave in his statement
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Look at the lying details Shane Mitchell gave in his statement
Yes, very telling. From going from saying he saw him mashing tatties in the kitchen, to saying, under oath, that "I honestly don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." (Cite: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509). Complete lies, as you say.
Nicholas, I don't know if I've asked you this before, but do you know of anything about Shane Mitchell being spotted in Oxgangs on the evening of 30.06.03? You seem knowledgeable on this case, so any info relating to this particular aspect of the case would be greatly appreciated.
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Yes, very telling. From going from saying he saw him mashing tatties in the kitchen, to saying, under oath, that "I honestly don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." (Cite: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509). Complete lies, as you say.
Nicholas, I don't know if I've asked you this before, but do you know of anything about Shane Mitchell being spotted in Oxgangs on the evening of 30.06.03?
Re Oxgangs
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Interesting quote from Parky41, on this very forum, a few years ago:
Why did SM travel into Oxgangs later that evening, after 9pm to get fuel? As this is why he said he travelled there, to fuel up the car? - Are there any scrap merchants near Oxgangs that SM used? A mechanic having access to this place? Why Oxgangs for fuel? there were many other stations to get fuel? Tesco just up the road? Was SM disposing of evidence? Why was CM's car spotted elsewhere? Was SM driving it? When she claimed to be home all evening? What are these new claims that her car was at the West end of this path later that evening? only being heard now? - Why are we not hearing about these reports from these witness's who came forward? - Why is SL dismissing these as being wrong or mistaken, or idle gossip? - but asking people to consider every other piece of hearsay? Or unproven claims that the defence sought not to use - why does she feel she is somewhat superior in intelligence to every expert in their field?
Parky41, where did you hear about SM travelling to Oxgangs? Please forward a cite. Or did you read it on that private group you are a member of -- the private group, some of whose members allegedly attended Luke Mitchell's trial between November 2004 and January 2005? It would be very useful indeed if you could post a link to this private group (you can even pm me if you don't wish to divulge this group publicly . . . mum's the word, and all that).
I’m of the view Shane Mitchell has threatened both Sandra Lean and his mother Corinne Mitchell from discussing him and his evidence because he was quite probably more involved in the disposable of evidence during the nights ‘events’
Why would Shane Mitchell allegedly go up and down stairs etc allegedly to give his brother a torch (the same brother who has apparently just walked back in the house having not needed a torch at this time)
but then not go out searching with his brother?
Wasn’t (isn’t) Shane Mitchell about ten years older than Luke?
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Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, read sections of Shane’s statement from July 7 to the jury.
I went into the hallway and shouted out and then went upstairs to the bathroom to wash my hands. About five minutes later I came straight back down. When I was in the bathroom I left the door open.
Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him
He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been
Didn’t Shane Mitchell claim his memory was poor was previous drug use?
How then did he recall his brother being ‘happy’ that day?
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Yes, very telling. From going from saying he saw him mashing tatties in the kitchen, to saying, under oath, that "I honestly don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." (Cite: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509). Complete lies, as you say.
Nicholas, I don't know if I've asked you this before, but do you know of anything about Shane Mitchell being spotted in Oxgangs on the evening of 30.06.03?
Sandra Lean and Corinne and Shane Mitchell have intentionally attempted to deflect attention away from this nights ‘outing’
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Yes, very telling. From going from saying he saw him mashing tatties in the kitchen, to saying, under oath, that "I honestly don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." (Cite: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509). Complete lies, as you say.
Nicholas, I don't know if I've asked you this before, but do you know of anything about Shane Mitchell being spotted in Oxgangs on the evening of 30.06.03?
Where exactly was Shane Mitchell when his cruel and callous mother went to the police station with her killer son and what exactly was Shane Mitchell doing from the time they left until they arrived back?
Why didn’t Shane Mitchell go with his mother and brother?
Did Corinne Mitchell keep her eldest son updated while she was as the police station?
Did Shane Mitchell phone his mother whilst she was at the police station to find out what was taking her and his kiler bother so long?
Hoaxer Sandra Lean keeps claiming they was no time to empty the log burner of debris etc
Shane Mitchell had hours alone to get rid of this evidence too
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Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, read sections of Shane’s statement from July 7 to the jury.
I went into the hallway and shouted out and then went upstairs to the bathroom to wash my hands. About five minutes later I came straight back down. When I was in the bathroom I left the door open.
Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him
He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been
More double binds
from
‘He was pretty happy, I spoke to him’
to no memory - due to drug use
*&^^&
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More double binds
from
‘He was pretty happy, I spoke to him’
to no memory - due to drug use
*&^^&
Or was it because Shane Mitchell wanted to dissociate himself from the events of that day
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Or was it because Shane Mitchell wanted to dissociate himself from the events of that day
Did Shane Mitchell ever meet [Name removed]?
How many times did Shane Mitchell tell police he had met [Name removed]?
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Yes, very telling. From going from saying he saw him mashing tatties in the kitchen, to saying, under oath, that "I honestly don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." (Cite: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509). Complete lies, as you say.
Why did Shane Mitchell cover his face when he when into court? (See photo here http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/22/killer-luke-mitchell-wheres-shane-mitchell-part-77/)
If Shane Mitchell thought his killer brother was innocent and his cruel and callous mother and him were being truthful - why the need to cover up and hide away?
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Shane Mitchell’s behaviour (and lack of alibi for killer Luke Mitchell) picked up by others https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
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“During the trial, Shane admitted discussing his police statement with Corinne before telling the police that Mitchell was in the family home on the day of Jodi’s death.
He said he was extremely shaken up and could not remember anything about the day Jodi was killed as his memory had been affected due to a drugs problem a few years ago. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/shane-mitchell-what-evidence-did-luke-mitchells-brother-give-and-why-was-it-crucial-to-jodi-jones-murder-trial-3148506
More double binds
Why would Shane Mitchell have been “extremely shaken up”?
He was masturbating to pornography from around 4.55pm - 5.15pm
His brother allegedly asked him for a torch at around 10:52pm
What would have made Shane Mitchell feel ‘extremely shaken up’ on the 30th June 2003?
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“During the trial, Shane admitted discussing his police statement with Corinne before telling the police that Mitchell was in the family home on the day of Jodi’s death.
He said he was extremely shaken up and could not remember anything about the day Jodi was killed as his memory had been affected due to a drugs problem a few years ago. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/shane-mitchell-what-evidence-did-luke-mitchells-brother-give-and-why-was-it-crucial-to-jodi-jones-murder-trial-3148506
More double binds
Why would Shane Mitchell have been “extremely shaken up”?
He was masturbating to pornography from around 4.55pm - 5.15pm
His brother allegedly asked him for a torch at around 10:52pm
What would have made Shane Mitchell feel ‘extremely shaken up’ on the 30th June 2003?
What was in Shane Mitchell’s police witness statements/transcripts to support him saying in court he was “extremely shaken up”
Why?
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“During the trial, Shane admitted discussing his police statement with Corinne before telling the police that Mitchell was in the family home on the day of Jodi’s death.
He said he was extremely shaken up and could not remember anything about the day Jodi was killed as his memory had been affected due to a drugs problem a few years ago. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/shane-mitchell-what-evidence-did-luke-mitchells-brother-give-and-why-was-it-crucial-to-jodi-jones-murder-trial-3148506
More double binds
Killer Luke Mitchell allegedly didn’t phone his cruel and callous mother Corinne Mitchell until the 1st of July 2003 - approx 00:30hrs
So what happened on the 30th of June 2003 for Shane Mitchell to feel “extremely shaken up”?
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“During the trial, Shane admitted discussing his police statement with Corinne before telling the police that Mitchell was in the family home on the day of Jodi’s death.
He said he was extremely shaken up and could not remember anything about the day Jodi was killed as his memory had been affected due to a drugs problem a few years ago. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/shane-mitchell-what-evidence-did-luke-mitchells-brother-give-and-why-was-it-crucial-to-jodi-jones-murder-trial-3148506
In reality
When Shane Mitchell had to stop and take a sip of water during the trial
Was he remembering what he had witnessed on the 30th June 2003
and of his involvement in the ‘event’s’ ?
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“During the trial, Shane admitted discussing his police statement with Corinne before telling the police that Mitchell was in the family home on the day of Jodi’s death.
He said he was extremely shaken up and could not remember anything about the day Jodi was killed as his memory had been affected due to a drugs problem a few years ago. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/shane-mitchell-what-evidence-did-luke-mitchells-brother-give-and-why-was-it-crucial-to-jodi-jones-murder-trial-3148506
More double binds
How did Shane Mitchell feel when he saw his cruel and callous mother Corinne Mitchell appear on TV last year
Was it normal for Shane Mitchell to let his mother live with rats and no running water etc?
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Yes, very telling. From going from saying he saw him mashing tatties in the kitchen, to saying, under oath, that "I honestly don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." (Cite: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509). Complete lies, as you say.
Nicholas, I don't know if I've asked you this before, but do you know of anything about Shane Mitchell being spotted in Oxgangs on the evening of 30.06.03? P
Maybe liar and coward Shane Mitchell was “extremely shaken up” by something relating to Oxgangs Mr Apples?
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Yes, very telling. From going from saying he saw him mashing tatties in the kitchen, to saying, under oath, that "I honestly don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." (Cite: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509). Complete lies, as you say.
Nicholas, I don't know if I've asked you this before, but do you know of anything about Shane Mitchell being spotted in Oxgangs on the evening of 30.06.03?
Didn’t cowardly liar Shane Mitchell state something about the days events and about not wanting to offend his brother ?
“Insult” was the word he used
Excerpt from cowardly liar Shane Mitchell’s statement dated 7th July 2003;
"Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him. He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been..
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Maybe liar and coward Shane Mitchell was “extremely shaken up” by something relating to Oxgangs Mr Apples?
And why would liar and coward Shane Mitchell be “extremely shaken" about giving a police witness statement ?
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Didn’t cowardly liar Shane Mitchell state something about the days events and about not wanting to offend his brother ?
“Insult” was the word he used
Excerpt from cowardly liar Shane Mitchell’s statement dated 7th July 2003;
"Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him. He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been..
The pretend steak pies were referred to as chicken pies for years
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Excerpt from cowardly liar Shane Mitchell’s statement dated 7th July 2003;
"Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him. He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been..
Shane Mitchell
“I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother“
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Yes, very telling. From going from saying he saw him mashing tatties in the kitchen, to saying, under oath, that "I honestly don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." (Cite: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509). Complete lies, as you say.
What did malignant narcissist Sandra Lean write in her second book about Shane Mitchell allegedly giving his brother his torch that night ?
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What did Shane Mitchell say during the trial about the fire(s) in the back garden that night?
And what did he say about these fires(s) to the police?
Para 154 (from CoA judgement)
‘The first of these replies is that at page 17 of the transcript concerning the fire at the log burner in the back garden on 30 June 2003. The appellant agreed that his mother and brother had had a fire.
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Nicholas, I don't know if I've asked you this before, but do you know of anything about Shane Mitchell being spotted in Oxgangs on the evening of 30.06.03?
Did hoaxer Sandra Lean include a CCTV section in her second book explaining which cars were captured on camera, where exactly they were captured and at what times?
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Did hoaxer Sandra Lean include a CCTV section in her second book explaining which cars were captured on camera, where exactly they were captured and at what times?
What happened to the bike that John F’s saw at the East end of the path? on the school railings?
And what did hoaxer Sandra Lean write about what John F said about killer Luke Mitchell’s bike ?
John F stated during the trial after seeing a TV news report about attempts to trace two youths on a motorbike it had left him 'shaking'
Sounds like John F may have been afraid of being fitted up for sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell’s murder of [Name removed]
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And what did hoaxer Sandra Lean write about what John F said about killer Luke Mitchell’s bike ?
From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639? Him cycling over there would, imo, feed into the narrative that the weather was dull and overcast, threatening to rain. Was the weather also a factor in why LM changed from his green bomber jacket he'd (allegedly) worn to school that day into the famous olive parka jacket with the hood and german army badges on the sleeves? Also, if LM did indeed cycle over there, does this signify that the murder wasn't premeditated (i.e., why would he leave something there he had to go back and collect, and something that could have further risked him being detected? If it was premeditated, he would have been more likely on foot all along?)?
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639? Him cycling over there would, imo, feed into the narrative that the weather was dull and overcast, threatening to rain.
It’s plausible Mr Apples and would narrow down times too
There’s a reason hoaxer Sandra Lean only ‘briefly’ mentioned killer Luke Mitchell’s bike and what happened to it and it has every thing to do with Sandra choosing to minimise, cover up and hide the real facts of the case - similar to what the Hall family and Stephanie Bon did for all those years
Parky asked numerous questions in relation to the bike and Shane Mitchell’s exact movement that evening - all of which have been ignored
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-was-shane-mitchell-disposing-of-evidence-part-117/
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639? Him cycling over there would, imo, feed into the narrative that the weather was dull and overcast, threatening to rain.
What do the case files say in relation to police investigations into sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell’s bike?
Did the police ask Shane Mitchell questions about the bike during his interview?
Is that another reason pretend criminologist and blagger Sandra Lean won’t publish all of the Mitchell statements/transcripts in full?
Were Corinne and Luke asked questions about the bike?
If so what were they asked?
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
Something was definitely said to JuJ about killer Luke Mitchell’s bike
What did Blagger Sandra Lean say exactly do you know?
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
Sandra Lean claimed JuJ thought killer Luke Mitchell was using his bike
Without doubt the facts surrounding the bike will have been manipulated and played down
And it’s very possible the police may have thought Shane Mitchell scrapped/disposed of it
There are far too many red flags regarding Shane Mitchell’s behaviour
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Also, if LM did indeed cycle over there,
Again - There was most definitely mention of killer Luke Mitchell cycling there
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does this signify that the murder wasn't premeditated (i.e., why would he leave something there he had to go back and collect, and something that could have further risked him being detected? If it was premeditated, he would have been more likely on foot all along?)?
No - Luke Mitchell fantasised about killing
“He said that he could just imagine himself going out and getting stoned and killing somebody and how funny it would be”
“Evil is the way”
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Him cycling over there
Did the police initially think he’d cycled over there?
And what did Sandra Lean skew in her second book about killer Luke Mitchell’s bike ?
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639? Him cycling over there p
Fantasist Scott Forbes stated;
”When police asked Judith Jones months later if Joseph had a bike, she told them he had “gotten rid of it”
What did compulsive liars Luke and Corinne say when they were asked about Luke’s bike?
And what did Shane Mitchell tell the police?
And why did pretend lawyer Scott Forbes only mention the police asking about [Name removed] bike and not killer Luke Mitchell’s?
Guarantee questions would have been asked by police about Luke’s bike
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Always a red flag where hoaxer Sandra Lean is concerned
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Again - There was most definitely mention of killer Luke Mitchell cycling there
Did pretend criminologist Sandra Lean state word for word, giving full context what JuJ said about killer Luke Mitchell cycling there?
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Also, if LM did indeed cycle over there
No If’s about it - evidence of killer Luke Mitchell cycling there has been referred to for well over a decade
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
For many, SM’s failure to corroborate his younger brother’s alibi was one of the most salient pieces of evidence pointing towards LM’s guilt. Despite this, there doesn’t appear to be much information in the public domain regarding SM’s whereabouts that evening, after his infamous internet session between 1650 - 1716 hrs. The only info that does seem to be available around the issue of his whereabouts in the evening is that he left the house shortly after LM did (at approx 1730/1740 hrs) and, according to CM, he was in and out of the house quite a lot that evening (which CM said was a tad annoying as she was trying to have a fly cigarette, after telling her boys she had quit smoking; she mentions this in a podcast).
If Shane Mitchell was in and out of the house all evening (strongly suspect he was) as stated by compulsive liar Corinne Mitchell what exactly was Shane doing?
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
Wasn’t it killer Luke Mitchell who first mentioned cycling up the path on his bike to JuJ?
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I did read very recently on a youtube comment (not the most reliable source, admittedly) that, in addition to fires being lit in the Mitchells’ garden at 1830 and 2200, there was another sighting of burning taking place in their garden at 0200 on 01.07.03 (in which case, it would have to have been SM doing this, since CM & LM were being questioned at the police station at this time). Or was it a joint effort by the two? Were their clothes tested? Were they smelling of smoke? More to the point, which other aspects of the case was SM cross-examined about or what evidence about him was led at court that was separate from his porn site/car site session?
Strongly suspect Shane Mitchell was much more involved in ‘events’ that day and the reason for his silence is through fear of incriminating himself further
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
Wasn’t it killer Luke Mitchell who first mentioned cycling up the path on his bike to JuJ?
Very plausible killer Luke Mitchell used his bike earlier that day
“What are these new claims that her car was at the West end of this path later that evening? only being heard now?
Why are we not hearing about these reports from these witness's who came forward?
Why is Sandra Lean dismissing these as being wrong or mistaken, or idle gossip?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-was-shane-mitchell-disposing-of-evidence-part-117/
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What happened to the bike that John F’s saw at the East end of the path? on the school railings?
And what did hoaxer Sandra Lean write about what John F said about killer Luke Mitchell’s bike ?
John F stated during the trial after seeing a TV news report about attempts to trace two youths on a motorbike it had left him 'shaking'
Sounds like John F provided the police with information about killer Luke Mitchell and his bike hoaxer Sandra Lean doens’t want her followers to know about
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Wasn’t it killer Luke Mitchell who first mentioned cycling up the path on his bike to JuJ?
Was he referring to cycling up the path to meet [Name removed]?
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Was he referring to cycling up the path to meet [Name removed]?
Hoaxer Sandra Lean claimed in her first book on killer Simon Hall that he
“..made his way back to his car, and drove to his parents home”
In reality he remained on foot after first parking his car - ergo he didn’t get back into his car to drive back to his parents home
In reality Killer Luke Mitchell may have been on his bike, as opposed to on foot at the start of the evening
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And what did hoaxer Sandra Lean write about what John F said about killer Luke Mitchell’s bike ?
John F stated during the trial after seeing a TV news report about attempts to trace two youths on a motorbike it had left him 'shaking'
Para 162 CoA Judgement
‘As the trial judge informs us, the appellant told the police at interview on 4 July 2003 that he and Jodi would sit on the other side of the wall from the Roan's Dyke Path near to the gap in the wall at the junction of the two paths and "have a cigarette or whatever". In the same interview he said that there was "a tiny wee path ... that folk walk along in the inside of that wall", i.e. on the other side from the Roan's Dyke Path. There was evidence, indeed, that just inside a gap in the wall at the junction of the paths stood a small tree with the initials [Name removed] and LM carved in its bark. A witness David Stirling described an occasion in early June 2003 when he was with friends and they met the appellant at the junction of the paths. They went down the inside of the wall (towards the "V") for some distance, then sat and smoked cannabis. Another witness, John [Name removed], said that on two occasions when the appellant telephoned asking for quantities of cannabis, they arranged to meet at the opening in the wall at the junction of the paths. On one of these occasions when they met the appellant said that he was waiting for Jodi.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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Very plausible killer Luke Mitchell used his bike earlier that day
“What are these new claims that her car was at the West end of this path later that evening? only being heard now?
Why are we not hearing about these reports from these witness's who came forward?
Why is Sandra Lean dismissing these as being wrong or mistaken, or idle gossip?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-was-shane-mitchell-disposing-of-evidence-part-117/
Whose blog is that? Is it yours, Nicholas? Parky41's? Will need to read through it when I have time.
Btw, a relative of mine worked in Shotts Prison for a spell and got to know LM quite well, dealing with him and speaking to him on a daily basis. She indicated that he was likeable, well-mannered, well-spoken and of a nervous disposition, often stuttering in speech and his eyes often blinking almost like a nervous twitch or tick. She also said he was quite small -- around 5ft 4 in height. I found this quite surprising, as he was said to be around this height circa 2003, when he was only 14 years old. I've heard people, Scott Forbes and one of his interviewers who met LM in Polmont YOI when this interviewer was incarcerated there, describe LM as "quite a big laddie who could handle himself". Maybe my female relative was mistaken in terms of his height? Does anyone know how tall LM is?
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Sandra Lean
Luke was at home, alone, making and answering calls prior to the claimed time of the murder. Two points to be made about this - (1) it refutes any suggestion that he didn't go home from school but went to lie in wait for Jodi in the woodland strip (as has been claimed at certain points). (2) In conjunction with the texts with Jodi's mum's phone, it supports the statement that he would not have had enough time to get from his home to the top of the path in time to be the person seen by Andrina Bryson.
His brother called ahead to say he might be late for dinner - in the event, he wasn't late (but did get home later than he would have if he'd come straight home from work). Brother came home, then mum came home. Both said Luke was in the house by the time they both got there (4.50 and 5.15 respectively.
The nonsense about Shane saying he didn't see Luke was brought about by police manipulation of the entire family - even the appeal judges agreed the "evidence," as it was manipulated, would not have been admissible if Shane had been a suspect, but because he was a witness, the same protections didn't apply.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451520.html#msg451520
What time does hoaxer Sandra Lean claim Shane Mitchell allegedly ‘called ahead’ ?
Shane Mitchell’s initial evidence was that he arrived home at 3.50pm - so who did he allegedly speak to before that?
Sandra Lean
3:30 - school finished
4.15 - Luke called his mother from the home landline to her work landline (his grandmother answered the call before passing it to Corinne, so there are two witnesses plus the phone logs).
4.25 - call from Shane's mobile to the home landline connected for just over a minute. Neither Luke nor Shane remembered this call initially - it wasn't until the phone logs showed it and Shane remembered he'd stopped at a friend's on the way home from work that they realised the call was Shane letting Luke know he might be late home for dinner.]
What time does Sandra Lean claim killer Luke Mitchell got home from school?
And did Shane Mitchell speak to his brother or an answering machine?
Also what was the name of the friend Shane Mitchell allegedly visited on his way home from work and what was did their evidence say?
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Sandra Lean
And, if Luke left home immediately after the final 4.38 text from Jodi, there would not be enough time for him to be the person at the Easthouses entrance to the path, which is why the suggestion arose that he didn't go straight home from school but, instead, went to the woodland strip to lie in wait for Jodi.
How long would it have taken on killer Luke Mitchell’s bicycle?
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Sandra Lean
Shane had to move out of the area at the time because the threats were so bad.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451813.html#msg451813
There appears to most definitely be more to Shane Mitchell’s involvement in ‘events’ that day
Shane Mitchell was almost ten years older than his sadistic killer brother Luke Mitchell
Why didn’t Shane Mitchell stay living with his mother and brother if they were receiving threats?
And if only Shane Mitchell was allegedly receiving threats - Why was he allegedly being threatened and what ecavtly were these threats about ?
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Sandra Lean
Shane had no recollection of "watching porn"
But remembered seeing his killer brother Luke ‘mashing tattles’ and remembered he didn’t say anything to Luke about the burning smell ‘cos he did it want to “insult” him?
Did Shane Mitchell move out of the area because he knew what his killer kid brother had done and knew his cruel and callous mother was compulsively lying for him?
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The only other thing that has been mentioned with regards to SM’s whereabouts after 1730 hrs is that he was caught out lying/fabricating about where he had been that night and that he was allegedly, at one point that evening, 7 miles away somewhere filling his car with petrol.Why so far away? We know that he was in the house at 2240 as he had given LM a torch to go out searching for Jodi with (along with the dog, Mia). But, what was he doing over the entire course of that evening? A lot of focus was placed upon CM as possibly the person who was burning blood-stained, forensically incriminating clothing belonging to her son LM in the Mitchells’ log burner. But, could it have been SM solely who was the person burning said clothing? I did read very recently on a youtube comment (not the most reliable source, admittedly) that, in addition to fires being lit in the Mitchells’ garden at 1830 and 2200, there was another sighting of burning taking place in their garden at 0200 on 01.07.03 (in which case, it would have to have been SM doing this, since CM & LM were being questioned at the police station at this time). .
Sandra Lean
Shane actually stopped off at a friend's on the way home from work to have a look at his car (phone records and receipts for parts for the car) - that wasn't considered "suspicious" and the police accepted that he'd simply forgotten about it.
On what date did Shane Mitchell buy parts for his friends car or did the friend buy the parts for the car and Shane Mitchell fitted them?
And why does hoaxer Sandra Lean suggest ‘phone records and receipts for parts for the car’ is evidence Shane Mitchell stopped off at a friends house?
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Sandra Lean
Shane was more than harassed from the off - the police were constantly bulldozing him to say what they wanted to hear. The day he was arrested "on suspicion of perverting the course of justice," they let him leave the family home in order to drive into a police road-block just yards from the house.
Corinne didn't "virtually disown him." https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451829.html#msg451829
‘Harassed’ by who? His mother Corinne Mitchell?
Did Shane Mitchell ‘disown’ his mother?
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Sandra Lean
I've just been reminded by a very kind poster on the red forum that I did, in fact, use another username way back - "Angeline" - I'd completely forgotten about that. However, now that I've been reminded, I believe I made it clear who I was and was using that username because I couldn't get into the account under my own name for some reason. So, no suggestion that I was trying to hide my identity there!
Why did I go from “kind” to a “troll” in a matter of months?
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Sandra Lean
I didn't mean the actual call was still on Luke's phone - I should have made that clearer. The record of the call going to voicemail is in the phone logs, Corinne said in her statement that she was trying to call Luke to find out what was going on https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg452488.html#msg452488
Corinne Mitchell’s evidence in court was ”I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble”
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
Hoaxer Sandra Lean has claimed that JuJ said killer Luke Mitchell was coming up the path on his bike
Wasn’t it then allegedly changed or something or other to him coming up the path with his dog Mia?
Did killer Luke Mitchell often go to meet [Name removed] on his bike?
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What was Shane Mitchell burning in the back garden that night?
Para 139
“the suspect had, following a barrage of questions to which the questioner had not awaited any answer, conceded that his mother and brother had had a fire on the night of 30 June 2003 in the log burner in the back garden of the house where the suspect lived
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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And what did hoaxer Sandra Lean write about what John F said about killer Luke Mitchell’s bike ?
John F stated during the trial after seeing a TV news report about attempts to trace two youths on a motorbike it had left him 'shaking'
If you look at another piece of information lithium put out about the many witnesses to Jodi being stabbed in the leg by Luke prior to the murder, in hindsight it’s an astounding allegation! When it’s broken down though it becomes something else.
Sandra Lean
There was only one witness to this and that is John F. No-one else ever made such a claim, even though there were several other people in the flat that night, many of whom gave statements.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg453126.html#msg453126
Suspect this may have been a reason why [Name removed] went after John F - for not having told anyone about killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour towards his sister [Name removed] sooner
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Sandra Lean
If you mean the statements that his friends were playing with him in the woods, the times they were there, who was there, what Luke was wearing and whether or not Luke said Jodi wasn't coming out, yes, those statements all exist and, with the exception of the later changed account of David High to say Luke said Jodi wasn't coming out (which he hadn't claimed earlier), they all corroborate Luke's movements that night.
*&^^&
”The witness told the court that on the evening of 30 June last year, the day when Jodi was killed, he met up with Mr Mitchell at Newbattle Abbey College.
But he noticed Mr Mitchell was by himself.
He told the court: "I asked him where Jodi was because it was unusual for them not to be together.
"He said that she wasn't coming out."
The court heard that when questioned by police after the murder, Mr High had given a slightly different version of that, stating that Mr Mitchell had said Jodi "couldn't" come out.
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Btw, a relative of mine worked in Shotts Prison for a spell and got to know LM quite well, dealing with him and speaking to him on a daily basis. She indicated that he was likeable, well-mannered, well-spoken and of a nervous disposition, often stuttering in speech and his eyes often blinking almost like a nervous twitch or tick. She also said he was quite small -- around 5ft 4 in height. I found this quite surprising, as he was said to be around this height circa 2003, when he was only 14 years old. I've heard people, Scott Forbes and one of his interviewers who met LM in Polmont YOI when this interviewer was incarcerated there, describe LM as "quite a big laddie who could handle himself". Maybe my female relative was mistaken in terms of his height? Does anyone know how tall LM is?
Corinne Mitchell doesn’t appear to be very tall either - was she shorter than him back in 2003?
Not sure of Sandra Lean’s height but she’s not very tall and photos of her and Corinne Mitchell make them appear to be of similar height. In one photo Sandra appears taller.
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
Then there’s this
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg20897.html#msg20897
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Btw, a relative of mine worked in Shotts Prison for a spell and got to know LM quite well, dealing with him and speaking to him on a daily basis. She indicated that he was likeable, well-mannered, well-spoken and of a nervous disposition, often stuttering in speech and his eyes often blinking almost like a nervous twitch or tick. She also said he was quite small -- around 5ft 4 in height. I found this quite surprising, as he was said to be around this height circa 2003, when he was only 14 years old. I've heard people, Scott Forbes and one of his interviewers who met LM in Polmont YOI when this interviewer was incarcerated there, describe LM as "quite a big laddie who could handle himself". Maybe my female relative was mistaken in terms of his height? Does anyone know how tall LM is?
Corinne Mitchell doesn’t appear to be very tall either - was she shorter than him back in 2003?
Not sure of Sandra Lean’s height but she’s not very tall and photos of her and Corinne Mitchell make them appear to be of similar height. In one photo Sandra appears taller.
Sandra Lean is 5.3 and apparently Corinne Mitchell is “an inch or so taller” than Sandra
Claimed (here https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg101160.html#msg101160 ) that he’s about 5.6
I disagree with Sandra Lean’s statement
“All of the documentation about how the "incestuous" relationship rubbish got into the public domain is in the police files - it was a uite deliberate ploy, with no basis whatsoever in fact or reality”
I’m of the view it’s very possible there was a covert incestuous relationship between Corinne and Luke Mitchell
https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/enmeshment-and-blurred-boundaries-emotional-incest-explained-0210204
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Sandra Lean
Push bikes!
Push bikes featured with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation, and it was literally years before I discovered why.
The police were running around asking all and sundry what they knew about Luke and push bikes. In their earliest statements, JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes. An account attributed to [Name removed] spoke of Luke swapping one bike for another. GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes. The police took Luke's bike (flat tyres and all) from the wall of the garage at his home for testing. AW spoke of a bike JF had kept in the hallway at her house - JF said it was a rubbish bike, he'd chained it to the railings at the local college and left it there. GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day. JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike.
Why? Why so much focus on push bikes?
Well, it turns out that JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike. What he actually said was he was coming up with his dog. The search trio was already at the top of the path when Luke arrived - did they too expect him earlier because he was on his bike? AW expressed surprise that he had the dog with him.
I can see the earliest investigators thinking,, hang on, there's something not right here - what's he done with the bike, since, from the moment they left JuJ's house at 23.18, they were already suspicious of Luke, believing he had left JuJ's house with Jodi at tea-time and was now claiming not to have seen her all evening. One officer believed Luke was "galloping about behind the school" when he (Luke), and the others, hadn't moved from the V point, and another claimed Luke had "led his officers a merry dance."
\Where did that early misinformation, and the suspicion about bikes come from? And more to the point,, why? Who, in reality, could mistake "on my bike" for "with my dog"? For clarity, JuJ corrected this herself, but not until some weeks later - in between times, everyone was still under the impression that either Luke was on his bike that night, or that for some reason, he had lied to JuJ about it. Neither was true, but nobody except JuJ knew that.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
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Sandra Lean
\Where did that early misinformation, and the suspicion about bikes come from? And more to the point,, why? Who, in reality, could mistake "on my bike" for "with my dog"? For clarity, JuJ corrected this herself, but not until some weeks later - in between times, everyone was still under the impression that either Luke was on his bike that night, or that for some reason, he had lied to JuJ about it. Neither was true, but nobody except JuJ knew that.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
Maybe it wasn’t ‘misinformation’ as Sandra Lean claimed and killer Luke Mitchell did mention being “on his bike” to JuJ and was referring to earlier in the evening?
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Sandra Lean
Push bikes!
Push bikes featured with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation, and it was literally years before I discovered why.
I can see the earliest investigators thinking,, hang on, there's something not right here -
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
Maybe something was not right!?
Maybe killer Luke Mitchell (or Shane Mitchell) did scrap his other bike - as has been suggested previously
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
Sandra Lean
Push bikes!
Push bikes featured with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation, and it was literally years before I discovered why.
The police were running around asking all and sundry what they knew about Luke and push bikes. In their earliest statements, JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes. An account attributed to [Name removed] spoke of Luke swapping one bike for another. GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes. The police took Luke's bike (flat tyres and all) from the wall of the garage at his home for testing. AW spoke of a bike JF had kept in the hallway at her house - JF said it was a rubbish bike, he'd chained it to the railings at the local college and left it there. GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day. JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
Yet hoaxer Sandra Lean doesn’t include what was known about killer Luke Mitchell’s bikes and how many he had and all what ‘all and sundry’ knew about his bikes ?
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Sandra Lean
Luke's next door neighbour told police that he saw Luke out on the street, heading for his house at "about 10 o'clock or a little after." I've never quite worked out where the police were trying to go with this - I think it was in some way trying to frame an opportunity for Luke to have disposed of the weapon or clothing.
Here are the known facts - Luke returned home at 9.30pm (based on testimony from the other boys he was hanging around with that night.) He took Mia out for her last walk at around 10.20 - 10.30 - it was during this walk that he received JuJ's text intended for Jodi.
If we insert neighbour's sighting into that, the prosecution case is that Luke, having escaped unnoticed, cleaned up and been identified sitting, perfectly normal, on a wall at the end of his street by 5.45pm, messed around in the woods with his mates, returned home, went out again to be seen returning half an hour later (having disposed of the weapon - the clothing part was dropped when they decided Corinne had burned it in the garden), went out again 20 - 30 minutes later to take the dog for a walk.
Really? Luke normally returned home after 10, having seen Jodi home for her curfew of 10pm. Interestingly, the neighbour's wife could not back up her husband's claim of seeing Luke "at or a little after" 10pm - it's equally possible the neighbour assumed Luke was returning at his normal time because that was what he (the neighbour) was used to seeing.
If Luke really was the cunning mastermind they tried to paint him as, wouldn't it have made more sense to "dispose of the weapon" under the cover of taking the dog for a walk, rather than drawing attention to himself with all that toing and froing?
Aside from the ludicrous scenario above, the prosecution would have us believe Luke returned home, cleaned up (without leaving any forensic traces in the house), left his blood stained clothing with his mother to burn while he went out to be seen at the end of his street. His mother then waited an hour and a quarter before trying to burn the clothing. An hour later,, it rained heavily, presumably putting the fire out, because it was lit again (these are prosecution claims, remember) an hour and a half to two hours later, with no accelerants, and burned so fiercely that it destroyed every single forensic trace - zips, metal studs, melted synthetic fabrics, threads, everything. The neighbour didn't have to close the window to keep the smoke from this inferno out - he "liked" the smell of woodsmoke.
Meanwhile, Jodi had been "missing" - at least from her parents' perspective, for more than 4 hours - her body could have been found at any time. There was no time dispose of the ash from the burner and replace it with "innocent ash" - Luke and Corinne were in the police station from half past midnight to 7am the following morning, and were under police surveillance from then on.
How people actually believed this nonsense is beyond me. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386928.html#msg386928
Shane Mitchell wasn’t and the police didn’t go to the Mitchell’s house until the 2nd of July 2003
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Sandra Lean
Aside from the ludicrous scenario above, the prosecution would have us believe Luke returned home, cleaned up (without leaving any forensic traces in the house)
Why would he have left ‘forensic traces in the house’’?
During the police search of the Mitchell house did they also find disposable gloves?
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gordo30
The misinformation you talk about is clearly a mother who didn't know the basic things about her daughter because she was preoccupied with something, the daughters appearsnce, where she was going and with who, it was a series of guesses about these factors given what happened that evening it's not unusual for someone to want to provide information that may help find her daughters killer.
It did however start the police down a route that made them lose sight of the case objectively. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386929.html#msg386929
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“JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike”
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Sandra Lean
The aunts' public appeal:
The only thing helping the family through its grief was the hope that her killer might be caught.
Might be caught? The entire community by then was in "Get the b**tard" mode - no ifs, buts or maybes - the killer was definitely going to be caught, it was only a matter of time.
"Obviously this is a very difficult time for the family but we hope that by making this public appeal someone who may know what happened to Jodi or has information for the police will come forward
They knew what happened to Jodi. By then, everybody did. The information they were seeking was who did it, and why?
"The family is asking everyone to examine their conscience and share with the police any doubts about someone they know who has been acting strangely, or out of character."
This is 10 days after JF claimed his Gran (the mother of the two aunts making the appeal) told him not to go to the police and tell them he had been on the path. The same JF who, by then, had hacked off his own hair. People had already given statements to the police about JF "acting strangely" immediately after the murder.
Speaking on JuJ's behalf, they said (for her)
"I believe someone at this time is still in turmoil over doubts they have about someone close to them. They just do not accept that this person, someone they know, is capable of such a thing. You have to break through that non-acceptance and come forward for the protection of other children.
It was only a few days before this that AW and JuJ gave accounts of [Name removed]'s movements on June 28th, 29th and 30th. Until then, he had not featured in any statements, other than his name being mentioned as a family member. Corinne claimed JuJ said, when she came to see Luke "Thank God they didn't find out about [Name removed]'s illness." Other members of the Mitchell family have confirmed this, although JuJ has always denied it. (How would Corinne have known about [Name removed]'s illness?) Two days after Jodi's murder, JuJ is afraid police may "jump to the wrong conclusion" because of [Name removed]'s illness - is that why he wasn't even mentioned to police by anyone for 9 days? And why it wasn't until another couple of days later that there was any mention of his illness?
If nothing else, it demonstrates that JuJ understood the reasons why some people might be reluctant for the police to have certain information - even she had hesitated in fear of her son being placed under suspicion because of his illness. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg387843.html#msg387843
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Sandra Lean
The label was red with the logo "LOGG" on it. When SK was asked to describe the "identical" T shirts belonging to JaJ, it was the description of this label that he gave. They were both supposed to be plain black t shirts - it could be that this was the only thing that stood out about them. But I'm pretty sure my ex wouldn't have been able to tell you what labels were on which of my t shirts!
Is this the same ‘ex’ who was standing behind a door when [Name removed] went to her house to ask her to remove her website?
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Stephanie
Where are the documents to support any of the claims regarding this case? Why should we take the word of Sandra Lean and the slant she had chosen to put on this case?
If the police believed [Name removed]'s was murdered by a family member or any of the others mentioned on this thread and alluded to, they would not have pursued Luke Mitchell.
Sandra Lean
Bullsh*t! The police believed from the minute they left JuJ's house that Luke had something to do with Jodi's disappearance, and within half a hour of that, that he was her killer. Don't take my word for it - check out what the SCCRC had to say about it - Luke was treated as a suspect from the minute he was treated differently to the other searchers - so, like, instantly. And, of course, we know that no-one else was ever treated as a suspect - no other houses were ever searched, no one else was detained - they didn't get as far as "believing" anyone else might be responsible - they didn't even think about it.
Anyway, I'm not asking anyone to take my word for anything. You're well aware that in Scotland it's an offence to share case materials with "third parties" - don't much feel like getting arrested for a case I'm no longer involved with. So, like everybody else here, I'm just discussing the case and looking at the anomalies.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg388010.html#msg388010
I don’t trust the SCCRC/CCRC’s interpretations in a lot of these cases (See http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/10/the-fraud-of-the-criminal-cases-review-commission-ccrc-part-20%ef%b8%8f/)
But why would hoaxer Sandra Lean state “check out what the SCCRC had to say about it” knowing full well the SCCRC’s statement of reasons are not in the public domain?
Scott Forbes
SCCRC reports are nor for the public
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
What has stopped killer Luke Mitchell and the innocence fraud pushers from publishing the SCCRC’s statement of reasons?
The SCCRC’s statement of reasons were published in relation to psychopathic mass murderer Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17504387
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/families-of-killers-hijack-silent-walk-1000587
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Stephanie
Do you not think Luke Mitchell displayed early signs of psychopathy/personality disorder?
Sandra Lean
Already ruled out by the real psychologists and psychiatrists over and over and over again.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg388013.html#msg388013
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
It’s plausible Mr Apples and would narrow down times too
There’s a reason hoaxer Sandra Lean only ‘briefly’ mentioned killer Luke Mitchell’s bike and what happened to it and it has every thing to do with Sandra choosing to minimise, cover up and hide the real facts of the case - similar to what the Hall family and Stephanie Bon did for all those years
Parky asked numerous questions in relation to the bike and Shane Mitchell’s exact movement that evening - all of which have been ignored
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-was-shane-mitchell-disposing-of-evidence-part-117/
Sandra Lean
But the network of tracks and cycle paths in the area mean the killer could have travelled a fair distance without ever emerging onto "public" areas.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg388192.html#msg388192
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Stephanie
Where are the documents to support any of the claims regarding this case? Why should we take the word of Sandra Lean and the slant she had chosen to put on this case?
If the police believed [Name removed]'s was murdered by a family member or any of the others mentioned on this thread and alluded to, they would not have pursued Luke Mitchell.
Sandra Lean
Bullsh*t! The police believed from the minute they left JuJ's house that Luke had something to do with Jodi's disappearance, and within half a hour of that, that he was her killer. Don't take my word for it - check out what the SCCRC had to say about it - Luke was treated as a suspect from the minute he was treated differently to the other searchers - so, like, instantly. And, of course, we know that no-one else was ever treated as a suspect - no other houses were ever searched, no one else was detained - they didn't get as far as "believing" anyone else might be responsible - they didn't even think about it.
Anyway, I'm not asking anyone to take my word for anything. You're well aware that in Scotland it's an offence to share case materials with "third parties" - don't much feel like getting arrested for a case I'm no longer involved with. So, like everybody else here, I'm just discussing the case and looking at the anomalies.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg388010.html#msg388010
I don’t trust the SCCRC/CCRC’s interpretations in a lot of these cases (See http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/10/the-fraud-of-the-criminal-cases-review-commission-ccrc-part-20%ef%b8%8f/)
But why would hoaxer Sandra Lean state “check out what the SCCRC had to say about it” knowing full well the SCCRC’s statement of reasons are not in the public domain?
Scott Forbes
SCCRC reports are nor for the public
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
What has stopped killer Luke Mitchell and the innocence fraud pushers from publishing the SCCRC’s statement of reasons?
The SCCRC’s statement of reasons were published in relation to psychopathic mass murderer Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17504387
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/families-of-killers-hijack-silent-walk-1000587
Sandra Lean
The SCCRC application pointed out numerous failings in the police investigation, anomalies in the evidence (including extremely poor practices concerning the DNA results) and solid evidence undermining the already weak eyewitness identifications, amongst other things. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg429993.html#msg429993
Again - I don’t trust the SCCRC/CCRC’s interpretations or many of their ‘reviews’
Just because the SCCRC allegedly claimed there were ‘extremely poor practices concerning the DNA results’ doesn’t make it so
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
Sandra Lean
Without shadow of a doubt lilly15. What people don't realise is that the police were acting on wrong information from the off - for example, they believed Luke was coming up the path on his bike and that Jodi left her home with him at teatime.
Were they though?
Was killer Luke Mitchell on his bike when he left to meet [Name removed]?
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Sandra Lean
Luke sleeping on one settee in the livingroom with his mother sleeping on a settee at the other side of the room was indicative of an "unnatural" relationship, but 19 year old Joseph sleeping in his mother's bedroom, wrapped in Jodi's duvet, at the foot of his mother's bed was accepted as perfectly natural.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg448524.html#msg448524
Poor guy
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Sandra Lean
Corinne claimed JuJ said, when she came to see Luke "Thank God they didn't find out about [Name removed]'s illness." Other members of the Mitchell family have confirmed this, although JuJ has always denied it. (How would Corinne have known about [Name removed]'s illness?) Two days after Jodi's murder, JuJ is afraid police may "jump to the wrong conclusion" because of [Name removed]'s illness - is that why he wasn't even mentioned to police by anyone for 9 days? And why it wasn't until another couple of days later that there was any mention of his illness?
If nothing else, it demonstrates that JuJ understood the reasons why some people might be reluctant for the police to have certain information - even she had hesitated in fear of her son being placed under suspicion because of his illness. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg387843.html#msg387843
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What about adoptee Corinne Mitchell and her enmeshed relationship with her violent, sexually aggressive and ‘out of control’ teenage son
“If you ask me, God is just a futile excuse, at the most, for a bunch of fools to go around annoying others who want nothing to do with them. Are these people insane? Open your eyes. People like you need satanic people like me to keep the balance. Once you shake hands with the devil you then have truly experienced life” ~ Luke Mitchell
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Scott Forbes
SCCRC reports are nor for the public
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
What has stopped killer Luke Mitchell and the innocence fraud pushers from publishing the SCCRC’s statement of reasons?
The SCCRC’s statement of reasons were published in relation to psychopathic mass murderer Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17504387
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/families-of-killers-hijack-silent-walk-1000587
James Keegan
It was Alan Turnbull who prosecuted lukes case. He also prosecuted al-megrahi. He had to have known luke was innocent
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Sandra Lean
Push bikes!
Push bikes featured with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation, and it was literally years before I discovered why.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
Sandra Lean would not have a clue about information omitted from witness statements
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Sandra Lean
The police were running around asking all and sundry what they knew about Luke and push bikes.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
Why has this been sat on for all these years?
How many bikes in total did killer Luke Mitchell own around this time - not including the one with the flat tyres in the garage
And did Shane or Corinne Mitchell own a bike ?
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Sandra Lean
But the network of tracks and cycle paths in the area mean the killer could have travelled a fair distance without ever emerging onto "public" areas.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg388192.html#msg388192
“JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike”
What ‘network of tracks and cycle paths in the area’ did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell use?
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Sandra Lean
The bike was extremely noisy and looked "hand built" so it drew attention to itself. The witness who noticed it propped against the wall had already seen it earlier, both running noisily, and being pushed after it cut out.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html#msg386888
Why wasn’t this witness called to provide their evidence during the trial?
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gordo30
lets look at the time frame between 17:00 and 17:45 this is when jodi was both entering the paths towards lukes,meeting someone,crime taking place and perpetraitor/s making their way out of the area.
1,we have two people possibly at an earlier time about to travel one of 3 possible routes as witnessed by AB there included because if they were going to newbattle they may well have been on the paths during this time.
2, a cyclist on the route either entering or leaving by the easthouse end, he would have been only a short time on a bike on Roans dyke path but there non the less.
Sandra Lean
He came in from the Newbattle end at, he reckoned, between 5 and 10 past 5 - therefore, he should have seen the moped propped against the wall, or the moped being pushed up the path, Jodi on the path or being bundled over or climbing over the wall. He saw none of this.
Why should Leonard Kelly have seen [Name removed] and LM if they were on the other side of the wall?
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“JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike”
Did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell ever give [Name removed] a lift on his push bike?
Did anyone ever give evidence to having seen the pair on them on his bike?
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What happened to the bike that John F’s saw at the East end of the path? on the school railings?
Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths - no-one else - not the dog walkers, the cyclist, the young couple walking earlier, or even JF himself mentioned this bike. I'll continue this n my next post. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html#msg386888
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Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths - no-one else - not the dog walkers, the cyclist, the young couple walking earlier, or even JF himself mentioned this bike. I'll continue this n my next post. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html#msg386888
The ‘young couple’ hoaxer Sandra lean mentioned in her latest video
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Sandra Lean
In their earliest statements, JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes. An account attributed to [Name removed] spoke of Luke swapping one bike for another. GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes. The police took Luke's bike (flat tyres and all) from the wall of the garage at his home for testing.
The police couldn’t have tested sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other bike(s) if it had already been disposed of by his brother Shane Mitchell - for example
Sandra Lean
AW spoke of a bike JF had kept in the hallway at her house - JF said it was a rubbish bike, he'd chained it to the railings at the local college and left it there. GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day. JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike.
Why? Why so much focus on push bikes?
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Sandra Lean
Well, it turns out that JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike. What he actually said was he was coming up with his dog.
In reality Sandra Lean has no idea what killer Luke Mitchell said to JuJ
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Sandra Lean
The search trio was already at the top of the path when Luke arrived - did they too expect him earlier because he was on his bike? AW expressed surprise that he had the dog with him.
Why would the ‘search trio’ have expected killer Luke Mitchell to be on his push bike?
And what did AW make of the fact Corinne and/or Shane Mitchell didn’t accompany the teen killer?
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Sandra Lean
I can see the earliest investigators thinking,, hang on, there's something not right here - what's he done with the bike
So what did he do with his bike?
And what did other witnesses say about killer Luke Mitchell’s bikes/s
How long had the bike with the flat tyres been in the garage?
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Sandra Lean
Where did that early misinformation, and the suspicion about bikes come from? And more to the point,, why? Who, in reality, could mistake "on my bike" for "with my dog"?
Again - in reality - Sandra Lean has no idea exactly what killer Luke Mitchell said to JuJ
And was this ‘mistake’ a fabrication?
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Nugnug
does anyone think its a bit funny that jodi borrowing her sisters clothes is mention a fair while before the dna results came back long before theres any reall reason for it to be mentioned.
Sandra Lean
On the surface, what you say here is true nugnug, but behind the scenes it was a little different. The "statements" (clearly led) by SK and JaJ about the possibility of Jodi "borrowing" JaJ's t shirt are dated exactly the same day as the aunts mention borrowing her sister's clothes in their appeal to the public.
Up to that point, there had been no mention, publicly or otherwise, of borrowing clothes- the investigation, until that point had not considered that possibility because, it would appear, there was no reason to consider it. And nowhere, in any statement, is there any mention of it - not JuJ, JaJ, AW, YK - no-one.
It's not just borrowing, either, it's borrowing without permission that emerges on this date, and that really muddied the waters - did Jodi or didn't Jodi wear certain articles of her sister's clothes? And of course, the answer is "maybe."
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Killer Luke Mitchell was the first person to tell the police [Name removed] ‘borrowed’ her sisters clothes
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Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths - no-one else - not the dog walkers, the cyclist, the young couple walking earlier, or even JF himself mentioned this bike. I'll continue this n my next post. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html#msg386888
Because the “yellow framed push bike” wasn’t mentioned in their statements doesn’t mean it wasn’t there
“GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes”
What else was said about the “yellow framed push bike”
Did JF steal a bike and swap it with one of killer Luke’s bikes - and if so where did this bike end up?
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Btw, a relative of mine worked in Shotts Prison for a spell and got to know LM quite well, dealing with him and speaking to him on a daily basis. She indicated that he was likeable, well-mannered, well-spoken and of a nervous disposition, often stuttering in speech and his eyes often blinking almost like a nervous twitch or tick.
You can hear in the channel 5 TV show that they’d spliced the sections together where his voice had been recorded
It’s quite pronounced in one part
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Because the “yellow framed push bike” wasn’t mentioned in their statements doesn’t mean it wasn’t there
“GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes”
What else was said about the “yellow framed push bike”
Did JF steal a bike and swap it with one of killer Luke’s bikes - and if so where did this bike end up?
What did Micahel Neill and John Sallens uncover regarding sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s bikes?
Or didn’t they bother to look into this aspect of the case?
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Because killer Luke Mitchell’s bike(s) didn’t feature in his trial - doesn’t mean one wasn’t used on the night he chose to commit his murder of [Name removed]
What did the Mitchell’s tell the police about the bikes?
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Sandra Lean
Well, it turns out that JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike. What he actually said was he was coming up with his dog.
No one knows what killer Luke Mitchell said to JuJ apart from JuJ.
He also said he hadn’t seen or spoken to Kim Thomson for example since "about January-ish" - which was another lie
His phone records showed “there had apparently been 79 telephone calls between the two”
The last phone call was on the 28th/29th June 2003 when he was “more or less continuously” on the phone to Kim Thomson from the time [Name removed] left on the Saturday in a taxi
Phone records suggested “between 2207 BST and 0130 BST that night”
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He also said he hadn’t seen or spoken to Kim Thomson for example since "about January-ish" - which was another lie
His phone records showed “there had apparently been 79 telephone calls between the two”
The last phone call was on the 28th/29th June 2003 when he was “more or less continuously” on the phone to Kim Thomson from the time [Name removed] left on the Saturday in a taxi
Phone records suggested “between 2207 BST and 0130 BST that night”
Indeed. And it appears that neither of these two girls were aware of each other, and certainly not aware that LM was seeing both of them at the same time behind their backs. Both girls thought they were LM's only girlfriend on 30.06.03. KT even testified in court that she still thought she was LM's only girlfriend on 30.06.03 (see cite below). LM having two girlfriends at the one time may not seem abnormal for a 14-year-old boy, but when considered with all the other circumstantial evidence against him, it does, imo, become significant; it is indicative of his lies and deceit, which the police sussed out many times throughout the investigation. LM's many lies throughout the investigation proved to be his undoing, to a certain extent (for example, saying that he walked 40 feet past the V-break in the wall with the search trio on the night of 30.06.03, when he actually in fact went directly to the V-break in the wall).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm
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Both girls thought they were LM's only girlfriend on 30.06.03. KT even testified in court that she still thought she was LM's only girlfriend on 30.06.03 (see cite below).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm
Killer Luke Mitchell was a sexually active 14, going on 15 year old teenager
Did Laura Wightman, or any other girl around this time, ever give evidence they had had a sexual relationship with Luke Mitchell?
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Indeed. And it appears that neither of these two girls were aware of each other, and certainly not aware that LM was seeing both of them at the same time behind their backs. Both girls thought they were LM's only girlfriend on 30.06.03. KT even testified in court that she still thought she was LM's only girlfriend on 30.06.03 (see cite below). LM having two girlfriends at the one time may not seem abnormal for a 14-year-old boy, but when considered with all the other circumstantial evidence against him, it does, imo, become significant; it is indicative of his lies and deceit, which
And of Corinne Mitchell’s - who was no doubt covering for this behaviour also
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Indeed. And it appears that neither of these two girls were aware of each other, and certainly not aware that LM was seeing both of them at the same time behind their backs. Both girls thought they were LM's only girlfriend on 30.06.03. KT even testified in court that she still thought she was LM's only girlfriend on 30.06.03 (see cite below). LM having two girlfriends at the one time may not seem abnormal for a 14-year-old boy, but when considered with all the other circumstantial evidence against him, it does, imo, become significant; it is indicative of his lies and deceit, which the police sussed out many times throughout the investigation. LM's many lies throughout the investigation proved to be his undoing, to a certain extent (for example, saying that he walked 40 feet past the V-break in the wall with the search trio on the night of 30.06.03, when he actually in fact went directly to the V-break in the wall).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm
Matthew Steeple’s blog didn’t include the fact killer Luke Mitchell was seeing the two girls behind their backs (there were other girls apparently too)
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/luke-mitchell-petition/ (https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/luke-mitchell-petition/)
And lots of the medias articles don’t - but it’s highly relevant to Luke Mitchell’s character and murder
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/12799875.judges-told-mitchell-lied-about-affair/
”It offers a possible explanation for conflict with Jodi at the time.
"If he was going to disappear to Kenmore to visit a girl Jodi didn't know anything about, the potential for conflict was there"
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Matthew Steeple’s blog didn’t include the fact killer Luke Mitchell was seeing the two girls behind their backs (there were other girls apparently too)
And lots of the medias articles don’t - but it’s highly relevant to Luke Mitchell’s character and murder
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/12799875.judges-told-mitchell-lied-about-affair/
”It offers a possible explanation for conflict with Jodi at the time.
"If he was going to disappear to Kenmore to visit a girl Jodi didn't know anything about, the potential for conflict was there"
“Just two days before her murder, Jodi left Mitchell's house, by taxi, about 10pm. After that there was a series of long telephone calls, totalling more than three hours.
Mr Beckett said it was an example of how Mitchell was prepared to lie, even in the face of known evidence.
What did Corinne, Shane and Philip Mitchell tell the police about Kim T?
Did they also lie like Sandra Lean did here
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383343.html#msg383343
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“Just two days before her murder, Jodi left Mitchell's house, by taxi, about 10pm. After that there was a series of long telephone calls, totalling more than three hours.
Mr Beckett said it was an example of how Mitchell was prepared to lie, even in the face of known evidence.
What did Corinne, Shane and Philip Mitchell tell the police about Kim T?
How did Kim T travel to stay with killer Luke Mitchell on Boxing Day 2002
What day in early 2003 did she leave the Mitchell’s house?
How did she travel back home?
What did Corinne and Shane Mitchell say about Kim T to the police?
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How did Kim T travel to stay with killer Luke Mitchell on Boxing Day 2002
What day in early 2003 did she leave the Mitchell’s house?
How did she travel back home?
What did Corinne and Shane Mitchell say about Kim T to the police?
Did Shane and Corinne Mitchell ghost Kim T like the Hall family did with Stephanie Bon?
Part 9 - The ‘Affair’, Ghosting & Reinvention of Stephanie Bon
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f/
Part 9a
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/14/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f-2/
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Did Shane and Corinne Mitchell ghost Kim T like the Hall family did with Stephanie Bon?
Part 9 - The ‘Affair’, Ghosting & Reinvention of Stephanie Bon
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f/
Part 9a
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/14/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f-2/
There’s no doubt sadistic killer Luke Mitchell and his cruel and callous mother Corinne attempted to use the day of Jodi Jones funeral in an attempt to show their contempt for Jodi Jones and her family and friends
Along with their contempt for the police and criminal justice system
Did Corinne Mitchell’s brother have any criminal convictions?
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Corinne Mitchell - 2007
"He has no idea how to be 19 years old. He didn't know how to be 16, 17 or 18 years old because he's not had the chance to progress as a normal teenager would
“Basically, there's not much to ask each other, just to say what other people have been doing, what his friends have been doing.
I don't know quite what to say. I don't want to upset him with him knowing he is missing out on things that his friends are doing.
Speaking to presenter Mike Graham and accompanied by the book's author, Sandra Lean, Mrs Mitchell claimed she had no idea why police singled out her son.
"There were other parties on that path at the time. Luke wasn't even on the path. I can only put it down to the fact that our dog found where Jodi's body was," she said. "There's absolutely no evidence.
She also claimed her son's rights had been violated by police who refused to allow her to join him during interviews." https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/corinne-mitchell-fights-free-her-son-2506492
Utter nonsense
Killer Luke Mitchell was sexually active long before his murder and arrest in 2003
Was dealing and smoking weed
Drinking alcohol (as per bottles in his bedroom)
Going to clubs and gigs
And if as Corinne claimed the police “didn’t allow her to join him during interviews” how did she allegedly see the word ‘suspect’ on the cassette tape (murder in a small town) and how did killer Luke Mitchell ask his mother questions like whether or not brother Shane was in the house
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The elite and Mr Forbes favourite word it would seem is projection - It would seem the blame for Mitchell walking up that "secluded path alone" lies with Jodi's mother, father and brother! Those brain cells without a doubt unable to connect to the most basic of things. Mitchell had just claimed to have left his home after discussion with both his own brother and mother, to walk up that "secluded path alone" And indeed I asked the question, where was SM Mr Forbes? Was he even in the house, was the torch story to place him home also? Or what was the actual reason that his mother, nor brother of course chose to NOT accompany him up that "secluded path?"
The feigned worry for his safety, that scared child! with only his phone and guard dog for company. And we rewind over the evening of a young girl with no phone, no guard dog by her side, no security whom they claimed did NOT turn up on the other side of that "secluded path" 90mins after his claimed time (evenutally) of leaving home, the claim of speaking with his mother, the parent, who also shrugged ones shoulders (claimed) of the non-arrival of a young girl, with no phone, no guard dog by her side - Seriously!
The feigned concern for his safety, his blanking her attempts to contact him, yet NO call made to Jodi's house, the place he claimed to have been heading by both him and his mother.
And you are correct, the constant bleat of Mitchell been but a child, a wee boy - He was not treated as a child by his mother, far from it. Yet that child upon that claimed horrific discovery shouted, 'I've found something' Those recordings of his flat affect tones whilst those harrowing scream resounded in the background, that is what you call a reaction from such horror, and that was from adults. - And still those cells fail to connect as they allow themselve to be distracted away from reality.
Where was SM? Why did he not take or go with his mother to that station? Why did Mitchell's father not go to that station?
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Where was SM? Why did he not take or go with his mother to that station? Why did Mitchell's father not go to that station?
Like all these cases Parky the public only get to hear a small fraction of the reality of the facts of events
Shane Mitchell was arrested and questioned for perverting the course of justice
So what was his role in the events that day?
Where is he?
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And indeed I asked the question, where was SM Mr Forbes? Was he even in the house, was the torch story to place him home also?
Apparently he arrived back to the house at 10:39/40/41 ish after receiving JuJ’s text message
Why didn’t he have a torch with him when he allegedly took Mia the dog out at 10:30?
And why Shane Mitchell’s torch?
Didn’t killer Luke Mitchell have one of his own ?
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The feigned worry for his safety, that scared child! with only his phone and guard dog for company.
It was and is feigned
Similar to the feigned claims of ‘justiceforjodi’
These people could not careless about Jodi Jones or her family member they are choosing to blame for killer Luke’s Mitchell’s murderous crimes
It’s abuse
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The feigned concern for his safety, his blanking her attempts to contact him, yet NO call made to Jodi's house, the place he claimed to have been heading by both him and his mother.
This bothered JuJ’s!
Why didn’t he call her parents house back?
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The feigned concern for his safety, his blanking her attempts to contact him, yet NO call made to Jodi's house, the place he claimed to have been heading by both him and his mother.
Cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell described Jodi Jones as ‘SHY’
So why did she tell James English [Name removed] would probably be in someone’s house ‘yipping’ ?
Did Corinne Mitchell say YIPPING or YAPPING ?
And do all those people who fell for Corinne Mitchell’s BS know what both of those words mean?
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It was and is feigned
Similar to the feigned claims of ‘justiceforjodi’
These people could not careless about Jodi Jones or her family member they are choosing to blame for killer Luke’s Mitchell’s murderous crimes
It’s abuse
Jim Nelson today/16th November 2022
Was great to meet some of the group today.was also BRILLIANT to watch all the people holding up banners ect .it was cold but everyone of them stood firm it reminded me of the guards at Buckingham palace.they were all proud to be there and proud to hold up the banners .even in the moments of silence they stood firm.i will always remember this day.
Everyone who was holding a banner
You were a STAR today and luke and his mum will be very proud of you.
EVERYONE else who was there .PROUD OF YOU ALL .it was a great day and hopefully we can all meet again when
LUKE MITCHELL is finally free an innocent man
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This bloke is one of the worst offenders
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And you are correct, the constant bleat of Mitchell been but a child, a wee boy - He was not treated as a child by his mother, far from it. Yet that child upon that claimed horrific discovery shouted, 'I've found something' Those recordings of his flat affect tones whilst those harrowing scream resounded in the background, that is what you call a reaction from such horror, and that was from adults. - And still those cells fail to connect as they allow themselve to be distracted away from reality.
Jim Nelson today/16th November 2022
Was great to meet some of the group today.was also BRILLIANT to watch all the people holding up banners ect .it was cold but everyone of them stood firm it reminded me of the guards at Buckingham palace.they were all proud to be there and proud to hold up the banners .even in the moments of silence they stood firm.i will always remember this day.
Everyone who was holding a banner
You were a STAR today and luke and his mum will be very proud of you.
EVERYONE else who was there .PROUD OF YOU ALL .it was a great day and hopefully we can all meet again when
LUKE MITCHELL is finally free an innocent man
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This bloke is one of the worst offenders
Jim Nelson, like all the others, wasn’t there - he/they didn’t witness this juvenile killers behaviour that night.
He’s watched a TV show and has been duped by the propaganda
Not a single mention or thought for Jodi Jones and her family
This alleged ‘silent vigil’ where they all cheered as loud as they could as the two narcissistic fraudsters staged their walk into the doors of the parliament building for the cameras - and more cheers (on this ‘silent vigil’) when the pair of them came out
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Where was SM?
There’s a whole lot more to Shane Mitchell’s story
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From memory, she mentions it very briefly -- like it's very incidental and not significant at all -- and rubishes it.
Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
Someone has posted the following elsewhere;
“Luke said to Judith that he would make his way up the RDP to look for Jodi and that if he didn't find her on the way up the path, he would make his way to Judith's house (SL even says this in her book, IB, on pages 36 &37). Between Judith's 2 calls to Luke at 2238 and 2249, she phoned some of Jodi's friends to see if she was there (Jodi had many friends, but Judith would've known the friends she most likely would've been with) and when told Jodi wasn't there she called Luke back, crying (at 2249), as she instinctively knew something was wrong.
Killer Luke Mitchell is the type of person who would say something then deny ever having said it - like Sandra Lean
There is no evidence anywhere that he didn’t mention his bike to JuJ during one of those phone calls
Sandra Lean
Well, it turns out that JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike. What he actually said was he was coming up with his dog.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
Was she referring to the 2249 phone call
Fantasy ‘Lawyer’ Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie!’ Forbes & The Killers Missing Bike
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/19/killer-luke-mitchell-fantasy-lawyer-scott-beam-me-up-scottie-forbes-the-killers-missing-bike-part-127/
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It would seem the blame for Mitchell walking up that "secluded path alone" lies with Jodi's mother, father and brother!
‘The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
at approx 07:10 here ➡️ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4
“Not at this time of night you’re not young man”
“I’m going out looking for her end of no argument ” *&^^&
If the killer went out to pretend to look for Jodi on his mothers suggestion this adds weight to them conspiring
And still no one has ever explained why Corinne and/or Shane Mitchell didn’t go with him
What exactly were they up to and why didn’t Corinne and Shane Mitchell care about this missing 14 year old female child [Name removed]?
Did Shane and Corinne Mitchell stay in the house watching TV while the search for this missing child was going on?
And did Shane or Corinne Mitchell phone Philip Mitchell or Ruby Guetta or anyone else that night?
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It’s been stated killer Luke Mitchell visited his father Philip Mitchell on Sundays
Fantasist Scott Forbes
Jodi Jones’ DNA was found on a pair of trousers belonging to Luke Mitchell. The trousers were in a holdall at his father’s house in Livingston, a home he hadn't been to for at least a fortnight prior to the murder of Jodi. The evidence was, therefore, deemed irrelevant and agreed to be dismissed.
Did he visit his father on Sunday the 29th June 2003 and what were the police able to establish regarding future visits by him to his father following his murder of [Name removed] on the 30th June 2003?
And why was this hold-all at his fathers house?
Did he ever sleep over at his fathers ?
And what type of trousers were they exactly ?
For example, school trousers?
And if they were school trousers, why would they be at his fathers house if he only visited with him on a Sunday?
Did killer Luke Mitchell wear his school trousers at others times other than school?
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If the killer went out to pretend to look for Jodi on his mothers suggestion this adds weight to them conspiring
And still no one has ever explained why Corinne and/or Shane Mitchell didn’t go with him
What exactly were they up to and why didn’t Corinne and Shane Mitchell care about this missing 14 year old female child [Name removed]?
Did Shane and Corinne Mitchell stay in the house watching TV while the search for this missing child was going on?
And did Shane or Corinne Mitchell phone Philip Mitchell or Ruby Guetta or anyone else that night?
Why did Corinne Mitchell and Shane Mitchell not go with this (almost 15 year old) teenager to search for missing 14 year old [Name removed]?
Why did they send him to this ‘secluded path’ on his own at around 11pm O’Clock at night?
What kind of mother would suggest such a thing?
And then a few weeks later invite the media in to her home to film her (and her son) lighting candles on the day of [Name removed]’s funeral, when they’ve been asked to stay away?
How did Corinne Mitchell feel about the fact she sent her teenage son out at 11 O’clock at night to a ‘secluded path’ to afterwards learn there was a ‘maniac on the loose’?
Why has Corinne Mitchell never spoken about these things?
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Nicholas, do you think it's possible that LM cycled to the easthouses end of the path after the texts from Jodi on Judith's phone between 1634 - 1639?
Adoptee Corinne Mitchell appeared to make another admission to James English in 2019 about the bike and the murder weapon, in a similar way to how killer Simon Hall’s mother Lynne Hall made admissions about her adoptive sons murderous crime(s) - and in turn her own crime(s) of aiding and abetting him in the ‘cover up’ and innocence fraud
’Fantasy ‘Lawyer’ Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie!’ Forbes & The Killers Missing Bike’
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Whilst studying some of Ms Leans podcast with James English, she highlighted how this is practiced with others. An example being of the school report.
The points I am writing around, misinformation and selectiveness are many. One or two may not cause much miconception. When you start to go into double figures it contorts the true events grossly.
‘Double figures’ was way too low
What end of the path was that maroon Frontera spotted at the entrance to Roans Dyke path
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So much in this campaign/case has been hidden
How many witnesses gave evidence about killer Luke Mitchell’s other bike?
What were the names of the witnesses?
On what date was the other bike last seen?
Was the killer picked up on CCTV riding his other bike at any time?
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Over the next 19 years, Scott pursued every avenue, spending thousands of hours studying case papers, speaking to local people, investigating leads ... becoming a lawyer along the way.
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19 years on the case? > Lie.
Became a lawyer? > Lie.
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Scott Forbes
2 days ago
Same guy scrapping moped, his mum and half sister burning clothes, he tells cops that Alice W told him not to go forward and then gets threatened by Judith and Alice with Joe and forced to leave Dalkieth.
Have con-artists Sandra Lean or Scott Forbes ever provided any evidence regarding this alleged scrapping of the moped?
Or is this based on what appeared to be an admission by Corinne Mitchell to James English in 2019 - which Corinne claimed her her and Sandra Lean had spoken about previously
Scott Forbes
5 days ago
What a lot of s**te. You may impress the 'Jeremy Kyle class' with that but no one else. The moped went to Melrose scrap yard, not a bike 👍 only burning of clothes was in Stone Pl. Shane M did work on cars and used garages at Home farm. But Joe J worked there and John [Name removed] was a regular visitor. Same garage a large Bowie knife was found in the skip, one similar Joe carried in his back pack. The same garage a man was running in the direction of on the night Jodi was murdered and same garage police threatened to close if they didn't reveal how they had special knowledge of Jodi injuries 👍 none of it put before the jury 👍
How often did Shane Mitchell visit and use Melrose metals https://uk.salvage-parts.com/melrose-metals-dalkeith-19172.html
And where did he get his car parts from?
And were Shane Mitchell’s receipts Sandra Lean referred to for Melrose metals?
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Why did Corinne Mitchell say to James English (approx 53:00) of the ‘search’ trio
“Why didn’t they check my place’
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Freudian slip
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Corinne Mitchell to James English
“We think”
= liars Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean
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Scott Forbes
5 days ago
What a lot of s**te. You may impress the 'Jeremy Kyle class' with that but no one else. The moped went to Melrose scrap yard, not a bike 👍 only burning of clothes was in Stone Pl. Shane M did work on cars and used garages at Home farm. But Joe J worked there and John [Name removed] was a regular visitor. Same garage a large Bowie knife was found in the skip, one similar Joe carried in his back pack. The same garage a man was running in the direction of on the night Jodi was murdered and same garage police threatened to close if they didn't reveal how they had special knowledge of Jodi injuries 👍 none of it put before the jury 👍
Was it Shane or Corinne Mitchell seen running from the scrap yard?
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Why did liar Corinne Mitchell say to James English (approx 53:00) of the ‘search’ trio
“Why didn’t they check my place’
*&^^&
Freudian slip
UPDATED Part 119
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UPDATED Part 127
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UPDATED Part 128
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How did Corinne Mitchell feel about the fact she sent her teenage son out at 11 O’clock at night to a ‘secluded path’ to afterwards learn there was a ‘maniac on the loose’?
That's a very good point. CM said in a JE podcast that when Luke insisted he was going out to look for Jodi no matter what, she said to him: "Not at this time of night you're not, young man!" When she said that, I got the distinct impression that it was forced and that she was lying. I even felt a tad embarrassed for her at that point in the podcast.
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That's a very good point. CM said in a JE podcast that when Luke insisted he was going out to look for Jodi no matter what, she said to him: "Not at this time of night you're not, young man!" When she said that, I got the distinct impression that it was forced and that she was lying. I even felt a tad embarrassed for her at that point in the podcast.
Corinne Mitchell and her double binds
Why did liar Corinne Mitchell say to James English (approx 53:00) of the ‘search’ trio
“Why didn’t they check my place’
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Freudian slip
Why didn’t she go out with her son searching
Why didn’t she send older brother Shane Mitchell to go with him
Con-artist Sandra Lean has never explained any of this either
Why would Corinne Mitchell make the statement
“Why didn’t they check my place’
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Scott Forbes
3 days ago
Same guy scrapping moped, his mum and half sister burning clothes, he tells cops that Alice W told him not to go forward and then gets threatened by Judith and Alice with Joe and forced to leave Dalkieth.
Wasn’t it Shane Mitchell who was forced to leave Dalkeith
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Was Scott Forbes on a methadone programme when he started at Newbattle abbey collage?
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Sandra Lean “Just saying that that Shane knew that garage and used that garage as well..”
“What we did figure out was at the time this guy that was belting across the road Shane was provably with other people..”
At around 9:12 - YT video ‘A chat with’ con-artists Sandra and Scott
Where was liar Shane Mitchell for the rest of the evening and what exactly was he doing
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Sandra Lean “Just saying that that Shane knew that garage and used that garage as well..”
“What we did figure out was at the time this guy that was belting across the road Shane was provably with other people..”
At around 9:12 - YT video ‘A chat with’ con-artists Sandra and Scott
Where was liar Shane Mitchell for the rest of the evening and what exactly was he doing
Was it liar Shane Mitchell or liar Corinne Mitchell, or both, who had ‘special knowledge’ of [Name removed]’s injuries ?
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Dropping Soon … Warped Minded Abuser Nicki Mac (McIntyre) & Her Fantasy ‘Lawyer’ Boyfriend Scott Forbes
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Was Corinne's car and Shane's car forensically analysed? I presume their cars were both analysed extensively, but I've yet to read a single solitary thing about it taking place and what the results were.
Also, who was Shane's girlfriend at the time? Was she ever interviewed or mentioned during the trial and investigation? And, did Corinne have a boyfriend/partner at the time?
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Was Corinne's car and Shane's car forensically analysed? I presume their cars were both analysed extensively, but I've yet to read a single solitary thing about it taking place and what the results were.
Con-artist Sandra Lean doesn’t mention anything about what liars Shane and Corinne Mitchell were doing that evening, where exactly they both went, whether or not anyone could vouch for them etc
Excerpt from con-artist Sandra Lean’s first discredited book No Smoke: p.90
“The prosecution contention that he was not “at home” between 5pm and 5.45pm begins to unravel at this point - how did the clothing, alleged to have been burned in the garden, get to his home without him? There is not, and has never been, any suggestion that Corinne Mitchell collected clothing from anywhere else that evening - indeed, other, concrete evidence, such as CCTV footage in a local store, rules out any such eventuality
How so?
Liar Corinne Mitchell apparently arrived home at around 5.15pm and was caught on CCTV prior to this time in a local store
Corinne could have gone back out either in her car or on foot or even met her killer son on her way home from the local store
Did Corinne take Mia the dog to work with her that day?
And if so where exactly did Mia the dog travel when she was in the car?
And Corinne keep a blanket in the car for Mia to sit/lay on?
Did any neighbours witness Corinne Mitchell arriving home in her car that night and if so what did they say with regards timings?
And didn’t one of the lying Mitchell’s go out in a car at around 5.30pm?
Who was in the car at 5.30pm and where were they heading when they went out?
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Also, who was Shane's girlfriend at the time? Was she ever interviewed or mentioned during the trial and investigation? And, did Corinne have a boyfriend/partner at the time?
Again nothing ..
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Was Corinne's car and Shane's car forensically analysed? I presume their cars were both analysed extensively, but I've yet to read a single solitary thing about it taking place and what the results were.
I suspect that was the case. Whether they were taken away, broken down and analysed that way, is anyone's guess.
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I suspect that was the case. Whether they were taken away, broken down and analysed that way, is anyone's guess.
Interesting isn’t it how these facts have been hidden
So,what happened to Shane Mitchell’s motor?
Was it towed away?
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Was it the audi in the pictures that were shared over the years or what that Phillips?
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Was it the audi in the pictures that were shared over the years or what that Phillips?
That would be this Audi. Phil was long gone before they pictures were taken. What happened to the Audi?
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Is there a picture with the registration? A check would indicate if it was taken off the road around that time?
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All those people choosing to back this innocence fraud grift have no idea where exactly killer Luke Mitchell was all night after he had committed his murder (apart from the sightings of witnesses who saw him at certain times), or where exactly Corinne Mitchell was that night and what exactly she was doing
Same applies to former Shane Mitchell
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Still nothing on killer Luke Mitchell’s other missing bike - which without doubt him and his mother and brother would have been asked various questions about by the police
What was killer Luke Mitchell and Shane and Corinne Mitchell’s evidence regarding the push bikes?
And does anyone know what Corinne Mitchell and Shane Mitchell told the police about Kim Thomson?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/31/1
Did the Mitchell’s ghost Kim T like the Hall family did with Stephanie Bon?
Part 9
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f/
Part 9a
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/14/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f-2/
Part 9b
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/20/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9c%ef%b8%8f/
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I believe he can't speak out because he knows what happened
What does Shane Mitchell have to say about his brother, mother Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes various smear campaigns over all these years?
”When toxic types can’t control the way you see yourself, they start to control how others see you; they play the martyr while you’re labeled the toxic one. A smear campaign is a preemptive strike to sabotage your reputation and slander your name so that you won’t have a support network to fall back on lest you decide to detach and cut ties with this toxic person. They may even stalk and harass you or the people you know as a way to supposedly “expose” the truth about you; this exposure acts as a way to hide their own abusive behavior while projecting it onto you.
Bringing in the opinion, perspective or suggested threat of another person into the dynamic of an interaction is known as “triangulation.” Often used to validate the toxic person’s abuse while invalidating the victim’s reactions to abuse, triangulation can also work to manufacture love triangles that leave you feeling unhinged and insecure.
Malignant narcissists love to triangulate their significant other with strangers, co-workers, ex-partners, friends and even family members in order to evoke jealousy and uncertainty in you. They also use the opinions of others to validate their point of view.
This is a diversionary tactic meant to pull your attention away from their abusive behavior and into a false image of them as a desirable, sought after person. It also leaves you questioning yourself – if Mary did agree with Tom, doesn’t that mean that you must be wrong? The truth is, narcissists love to “report back” falsehoods about others say about you, when in fact, they are the ones smearing you.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383172.html#msg383172
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Corinne Mitchell
Now Lamberton is having another go at Shanes memory. He states "Imagine folks,two days after the murder he couldn't even remember Luke making the dinner that afternoon"
Yes, imagine! 2 days after the murder? we were all shocked. We were all traumatised. Remembering whether his brother made dinner or not doesn't actually spring to mind as an important thing!
And again, their double standards......2 days after the murder AW couldn't remember what she was wearing!! You can't condem one for their memory and not the other
Yes, It was to turn into a very important thing afterwards but not 2 days afterwards. It is easy for those to condem......when they haven't been in that particular situation!
http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/the-lm-alibi-offered-at-trial-was-it-necessary-has-it-obstructed-justice/msg10824/#msg10824
Why would liar Shane Mitchell have been ‘traumatised’ ?
How many times did Shane Mitchell meet [Name removed]?
And what exactly did Shane tell police about the times he met [Name removed] - presuming he met her on the odd occasion
Shane Mitchell knew there were ‘errors’ in his first statements - at no time did Shane put these ‘errors’ down to being ‘traumatised’!
Shane Mitchell claimed he had memory problems due to previous drug addiction
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Corinne Mitchell
2 days after the murder AW couldn't remember what she was wearing!! You can't condem one for their memory and not the other
Corinne Mitchell did not/and does not appear to recognise the fact that [Name removed] was AW’s grand-daughter
whereas [Name removed] was a stranger to liar Shane Mitchell
Ergo AW’s emotions would have been very different to liar Shane Mitchell’s at that time
Liar Corinne Mitchell appeared to be suggesting her lying son Shane Mitchell’s memory of events were suppressed due to his emotions around that time
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Corinne Mitchell
Now Lamberton is having another go at Shanes memory. He states "Imagine folks,two days after the murder he couldn't even remember Luke making the dinner that afternoon"
Yes, imagine! 2 days after the murder? we were all shocked. We were all traumatised. Remembering whether his brother made dinner or not doesn't actually spring to mind as an important thing! And again, their double standards......2 days after the murder AW couldn't remember what she was wearing!! You can't condem one for their memory and not the other
Yes, It was to turn into a very important thing afterwards but not 2 days afterwards. It is easy for those to condem......when they haven't been in that particular situation!
Liar Corinne Mitchell appeared to be suggesting her lying son Shane Mitchell’s memory of events were suppressed due to his emotions around that time
This is the same Shane Mitchell who’s only involvement that day was alleged to have been giving his 14 year old brother his torch at around approximately 10:40pm that night
That’s it - according to the innocence fraud narrative
Did Shane Mitchell go to work on the Tuesday the 1st of July 2003?
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Corinne Mitchell - 8th April 2010
“there is no "black and white" answer to this question and not just one reason why we went with findlay to appeal.
We were in complete shock at the guilty verdict. findlay assured us it would go to appeal. when you are in shock you don't think or act rationally”
Hmm
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Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths - no-one else - not the dog walkers, the cyclist, the young couple walking earlier, or even JF himself mentioned this bike. I'll continue this n my next post. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html#msg386888
Would that be the same “young couple walking earlier” con artist Sandra Lean attempted to pretend was killer Luke Mitchell and [Name removed] here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA
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Who or what is the source of SM being spotted in Oxgangs on the night of the murder? I have only ever read about it on here. Nowhere else. I don't doubt he was seen in the aforementioned area, but I would just like to be directed to the source of this info. Anyone?
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Who or what is the source of SM being spotted in Oxgangs on the night of the murder? I have only ever read about it on here. Nowhere else. I don't doubt he was seen in the aforementioned area, but I would just like to be directed to the source of this info. Anyone?
Did it come direct from Shane Mitchell?
Corrine Mitchell
“When I got home I went directly to the kitchen where I was confronted by Luke brandishing the broccoli! He asked if it should be that colour (it was turning yellowy) and I said no......bin the broccoli! He decided on beans instead...as it was a Monday and I do my weekly shop on a Tuesday there wasn't any other fresh vegetables left.
Both Luke and I served up. I told Luke to shout Shane down as he was upstairs. Shane came down, complained to Luke he had burnt the pie, I told him it could be scraped off, it wasn't that bad. Shane returned upstairs armed with his dinner. Luke ate his in front of the TV and I decided to have mine on the patio as I had been cooped up in my office all day and not seen any sun.
After eating dinner I was preparing to do the dishes when Luke came into the kitchen and said that that was him off. I joked with him and said.....don't tell me ...your seeing Jodi....as by this time Jodi had become more favourable than the cadets. I also suggested to him that he introduced his clothes to the washing machine as he had worn them for a couple of days. I got the usual teenage response......Och mum!.....and "this is Jodi’s favourite t-shirt" I replied it wouldn't be much longer if it didn't get washed and with that I got another "Och".....I'm off, see you later!
Shane came and went most of the evening, which I found quite irritating! I had stopped smoking, due to pressure from Shane, and had discovered that tracking and smoking don't go as it involves a lot of running, but by this time I was having the odd sneaky one due to pressure at work. This is our busiest time. Every time I went to "light up" Shane appeared and nearly caught me. Then just as I was safe in the knowledge that Shane was engrossed in his computer......Lit up fag.......Luke comes in.......I never got a sneaky cig that night. The rest is on the time~line. Hope this helps.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg22813.html#msg22813
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Did it come direct from Shane Mitchell?
Repeated by scammers Sandra Lean and/or Corinne Mitchell?
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Who or what is the source of SM being spotted in Oxgangs on the night of the murder? I have only ever read about it on here. Nowhere else. I don't doubt he was seen in the aforementioned area, but I would just like to be directed to the source of this info. Anyone?
Why don’t you doubt, or at least question, it if you’ve never seen any evidence of it?
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For many, SM’s failure to corroborate his younger brother’s alibi was one of the most salient pieces of evidence pointing towards LM’s guilt. Despite this, there doesn’t appear to be much information in the public domain regarding SM’s whereabouts that evening, after his infamous internet session between 1650 - 1716 hrs. The only info that does seem to be available around the issue of his whereabouts in the evening is that he left the house shortly after LM did (at approx 1730/1740 hrs) and, according to CM, he was in and out of the house quite a lot that evening (which CM said was a tad annoying as she was trying to have a fly cigarette, after telling her boys she had quit smoking; she mentions this in a podcast). The only other thing that has been mentioned with regards to SM’s whereabouts after 1730 hrs is that he was caught out lying/fabricating about where he had been that night and that he was allegedly, at one point that evening, 7 miles away somewhere filling his car with petrol.Why so far away? We know that he was in the house at 2240 as he had given LM a torch to go out searching for Jodi with (along with the dog, Mia). But, what was he doing over the entire course of that evening? A lot of focus was placed upon CM as possibly the person who was burning blood-stained, forensically incriminating clothing belonging to her son LM in the Mitchells’ log burner. But, could it have been SM solely who was the person burning said clothing? I did read very recently on a youtube comment (not the most reliable source, admittedly) that, in addition to fires being lit in the Mitchells’ garden at 1830 and 2200, there was another sighting of burning taking place in their garden at 0200 on 01.07.03 (in which case, it would have to have been SM doing this, since CM & LM were being questioned at the police station at this time). Or was it a joint effort by the two? Were their clothes tested? Were they smelling of smoke? More to the point, which other aspects of the case was SM cross-examined about or what evidence about him was led at court that was separate from his porn site/car site session?
I would really appreciate your input on this one, preferably with cites.
Thanks.
Who or what is the source of SM being spotted in Oxgangs on the night of the murder? I have only ever read about it on here. Nowhere else. I don't doubt he was seen in the aforementioned area, but I would just like to be directed to the source of this info. Anyone?
Didn’t Shane Mitchell visit with a Gary Coyle and a Mr Beveridge that evening? (Shane Mitchell’s evidence during trial)
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Didn’t Shane Mitchell visit with a Gary Coyle and a Mr Beveridge that evening?
According to scammer Sandra Lean she stated of Shane Mitchell “…he went to work, came home, had dinner and changed before going out to see a friend” page 303
Which friend Sandra - Mr Coyle or Mr Beveridge?
She also states;
“It would not be until the early hours of the following morning that the seriousness of the situation became known to Shane – Corinne and Luke were in the police station throughout the night with no means of contacting anyone until Corinne was able to call and ask Shane to bring some clothes for Luke.
p.303
Why didn’t Shane Mitchell go to the police station with Corinne Mitchell in the early hours of the morning of the 1st July 2003 - around 12:40am - 1:00am?
Wouldn’t Shane Mitchell have known about the “seriousness of the situation” by 10:40pm (going by the killers timings & nonsense) when he learned 14 year old Jodi Jones was missing?
Jodi Jones was meant to have met with his brother at around just gone 4:50pm
She had asthma and didn’t have a mobile phone
She didn’t have a mobile phone with her
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Did it come direct from Shane Mitchell?
Corrine Mitchell
“When I got home I went directly to the kitchen where I was confronted by Luke brandishing the broccoli! He asked if it should be that colour (it was turning yellowy) and I said no......bin the broccoli! He decided on beans instead...as it was a Monday and I do my weekly shop on a Tuesday there wasn't any other fresh vegetables left.
Both Luke and I served up. I told Luke to shout Shane down as he was upstairs. Shane came down, complained to Luke he had burnt the pie, I told him it could be scraped off, it wasn't that bad. Shane returned upstairs armed with his dinner. Luke ate his in front of the TV and I decided to have mine on the patio as I had been cooped up in my office all day and not seen any sun.
After eating dinner I was preparing to do the dishes when Luke came into the kitchen and said that that was him off. I joked with him and said.....don't tell me ...your seeing Jodi....as by this time Jodi had become more favourable than the cadets. I also suggested to him that he introduced his clothes to the washing machine as he had worn them for a couple of days. I got the usual teenage response......Och mum!.....and "this is Jodi’s favourite t-shirt" I replied it wouldn't be much longer if it didn't get washed and with that I got another "Och".....I'm off, see you later!
Shane came and went most of the evening, which I found quite irritating! I had stopped smoking, due to pressure from Shane, and had discovered that tracking and smoking don't go as it involves a lot of running, but by this time I was having the odd sneaky one due to pressure at work. This is our busiest time. Every time I went to "light up" Shane appeared and nearly caught me. Then just as I was safe in the knowledge that Shane was engrossed in his computer......Lit up fag.......Luke comes in.......I never got a sneaky cig that night. The rest is on the time~line. Hope this helps.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg22813.html#msg22813
It's common knowledge that SM was out and about that evening and, according to CM, he was in and out of the family home that night, too. Was it common for SM to be in and out of the family home after work? Anyway, no forum, including the JB forum, mentions SM being in Oxgangs, and nor does any newspaper. Even SL makes no mention of it, even in her books. So, who is the source of the info?
Interestingly, someone on the YT comments section said that there was a fire spotted in the Mitchell garden in the early hours (at approx 0100/0200 hrs) of 01.07.03. Was SM disposing incriminating evidence during the course of the evening of 30.06.03 and during the early hours of 01.07.03?
Btw, who is your source regarding SM visiting those two friends on 30.06.03?
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It's common knowledge that SM was out and about that evening and, according to CM, he was in and out of the family home that night, too. Was it common for SM to be in and out of the family home after work? Anyway, no forum, including the JB forum, mentions SM being in Oxgangs, and nor does any newspaper. Even SL makes no mention of it, even in her books. So, who is the source of the info?
Interestingly, someone on the YT comments section said that there was a fire spotted in the Mitchell garden in the early hours (at approx 0100/0200 hrs) of 01.07.03. Was SM disposing incriminating evidence during the course of the evening of 30.06.03 and during the early hours of 01.07.03?
Btw, who is your source regarding SM visiting those two friends on 30.06.03?
Ah those YouTube comments again!
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Btw, who is your source regarding SM visiting those two friends on 30.06.03?
Someone in the know
Shane Mitchell visited Gary Coyle and said he visited a Mr Beveridge on the 30th June 2003
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It's common knowledge that SM was out and about that evening and, according to CM, he was in and out of the family home that night, too. Was it common for SM to be in and out of the family home after work? Anyway, no forum, including the JB forum, mentions SM being in Oxgangs, and nor does any newspaper. Even SL makes no mention of it, even in her books. So, who is the source of the info?
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There’s a wealth of evidence scammer Sandra Lean has lied about by omission over the years
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There were no calls made from the landline from the Mitchell house between 4:01pm up to 9:57pm
None!
The 9:57pm call from the Mitchell’s landline telephone was to a number in Bathgate
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At 6:04pm Shane Mitchell said he was on his way to Mr Beverages house
Shane Mitchell telephoned Gary Coyle at 6:20pm from his mobile
Then Shane left to go to Gary’s house just after he phoned Gary
Shane Mitchell said he was at home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent between approx 4:55pm and 6:20pm
After spending some time with Gary at his house, Shane Mitchell returned home
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All those people choosing to back this innocence fraud grift have no idea where exactly killer Luke Mitchell was all night after he had committed his murder (apart from the sightings of witnesses who saw him at certain times), or where exactly Corinne Mitchell was that night and what exactly she was doing
Same applies to former Shane Mitchell
Has he changed his name? (I didn’t originally write “former”)
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I'd written a reply to this thread a few days ago, but, to my frustration, it never made it on to the boards (the joys of using a mobile phone). Anyway, just briefly: I believe that SM's continual reticence post-trial can be apportioned to him knowing his brother did it and that he was involved in the disposal of incriminating evidence on the night of June 30th, 2003 (why was he in Oxgangs, a suburb that was 7 miles away from his then home in Newbattle, that night getting petrol? And why was Corinne's maroon Vauxhall Frontera car at the Newbattle entrance to RDP on the night of June 30th, 2003? Was Shane driving it as CM was drinking alcohol that night ?). Then there is the farcical attempt of trying to concoct an alibi which CM dragged Shane into;
Or was it vice versa?
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Wouldn’t Shane Mitchell have known about the “seriousness of the situation” by 10:40pm (going by the killers timings & nonsense) when he learned 14 year old Jodi Jones was missing?
Jodi Jones was meant to have met with his brother at around just gone 4:50pm
She had asthma and didn’t have a mobile phone
She didn’t have a mobile phone with her
Fraudster Sandra Lean
“Monday, June 30th, 2003 was an ordinary day for Shane – he went to work, came home, had dinner and changed before going out to see a friend. Even after he came home later that night, the only untoward event was that his little brother’s 14-year-old girlfriend had failed to turn up as planned earlier in the evening. It’s easy to understand, given the age gap between the two brothers (Shane was seven years older) and Shane’s advanced maturity in comparison with Luke, why Shane would not have placed much importance on what he viewed as a “kids’” relationship.
Did Shane Mitchell know his brother had murdered Jodi Jones - was this the reason Shane with his “advanced maturity” didn’t accompany his brother in his pretend search - on his mothers “suggestion”?
“Ordinary day” “ordinary” people
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Fraudster Sandra Lean
“Discussing his police statement with his mother, Shane mentioned that he didn’t remember what he ate for dinner” page 304
In reality - they conspired and concocted the dinner story
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Fraudster Sandra Lean
“Monday, June 30th, 2003 was an ordinary day for Shane – he went to work, came home, had dinner and changed before going out to see a friend. Even after he came home later that night, the only untoward event was that his little brother’s 14-year-old girlfriend had failed to turn up as planned earlier in the evening. It’s easy to understand, given the age gap between the two brothers (Shane was seven years older) and Shane’s advanced maturity in comparison with Luke, why Shane would not have placed much importance on what he viewed as a “kids’” relationship.
Did Shane Mitchell know his brother had murdered Jodi Jones - was this the reason Shane with his “advanced maturity” didn’t accompany his brother in his pretend search - on his mothers “suggestion”?
“Ordinary day” “ordinary” people
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Scammer Sandra Lean goes on to reduce Shane Mitchell’s “advanced maturity” to a boy - twice
“Corinne reminded him that he had complained about dinner on the Monday evening because Luke burnt the pies the two boys were having for dinner (Corinne was vegetarian, so did not eat the same as the boys). page 304
4:50pm to “just after” 6:20pm - Shane Mitchell does not have the pretend dinner
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Scammer Sandra Lean
“In comparison to the number of anomalies in the statements of other witnesses in this case, Shane’s amendment was minor” page 304
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Scammer Sandra Lean
“…that he could not remember if he had seen Luke or not, became the one on which investigators focused” page 304
Did Shane Mitchell conspire with his killer brother Luke Mitchell?
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At 6:04pm Shane Mitchell said he was on his way to Mr Beverages house
Shane Mitchell telephoned Gary Coyle at 6:20pm from his mobile
Then Shane left to go to Gary’s house just after he phoned Gary
Shane Mitchell said he was at home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent between approx 4:55pm and 6:20pm
After spending some time with Gary at his house, Shane Mitchell returned home
Scammer Sandra Lean
“Shane, it was implied, did not get home until almost five minutes to five, when he logged onto the internet and Luke was not at home at that time”
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Again - Shane Mitchell logged into the internet at 4:53pm Sandra
Killer Luke Mitchell was most definitely NOT at home
At the time Shane logged into his computer - his killer brother was in the process of meeting Jodi Jones
Did the killer cycle up the Roans Dyke path Sandra?
Is this what he told Judith Jones that night
“I cycled up the path to meet Jodi but she wasn’t there” She was like “a missing space”
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That would be this Audi. Phil was long gone before they pictures were taken. What happened to the Audi?
What car was Shane Mitchell driving that night - the Audi or the maroon frontera?
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There were no calls made from the landline from the Mitchell house between 4:01pm up to 9:57pm
None!
The 9:57pm call from the Mitchell’s landline telephone was to a number in Bathgate
What about the call to Scott's Caravans at approx 1625?
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What about the call to Scott's Caravans at approx 1625?
There was no call to Scott Caravans from the Mitchell’s landline telephone
This was yet another Mitchell concoction
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The 9:57pm call from the Mitchell’s landline telephone was to a number in Bathgate
The 9:57pm was made by Shane Mitchell
Shane said he didn’t hear the news about Jodi Jones until his mother Corinne Mitchell phoned him and woke him up to take clothes to the police station
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"How could it be, Mr Mitchell, that Luke was in the house, you didn't think he was there, you didn't hear him there and you have no recollection of seeing him there, if he was?"
Exactly, Alan. The quote above, for me, sums up just how ridiculous Shane's evidence was. A complete debacle that demonstrated that his wee brother wasn't home. And contrary to what SL says, Shane did, eventually, concede his brother was not there when he arrived home at 1640 and when he went downstairs when his mother got home from work at 1720 (SM did try and wriggle his way out of admitting LM was not home by being vague and frequently saying he couldn't remember, but on his final day of evidence he categorically said his brother wasn't home between 1640 - 1720).
I do wonder if his telling the truth was borne of compassion & respect for Jodi or self-preservation? Probably the latter, imo, but then it might be an idea for me to read Shane's testimony in its entirety before drawing any conclusions on that (I've yet to read part 2 of his testimony). Maybe, too, because of his arrest on 14.04.04 and being charged with perverting the course of justice (subsequently, the charge was dropped as everyone knows), he was warned about perjury (and if not warned by the authorities, perhaps he himself was wary & conscious of it).
One final thing -- when was Shane's computer siezed and examined? I've always presumed it was before 14.04.04, as I don't think the police would arrest all 3 of them on the strength of Shane's changing his statement in early July '03 alone; the police having the evidence of his porn site visits combined with the changing of statements would be more robust evidence that would allow the police to formulate a theory that LM wasn't in the house and they were all lying and attempting to pervert the course of justice. It's just I'd seen a pic on alamy, dated 14.04.04, that showed police confiscating a PC (of course, it could have beein either LM's or CM's PC). The police interviewed SM for 6 hours on the morning of 14.04.04 after arresting him and, according to SL, the police introduced the porn site evidence in the last hour of that interview, so maybe they did only sieze SM's computer on the morning of 14.04.04 and only discovered the porn site evidence that same morning (allowing them to introduce it as evidence in the last hour of the interview). I don't think so, though? Anyone know? I haven't read all of SM's testimony, so maybe it's been explained.
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"How could it be, Mr Mitchell, that Luke was in the house, you didn't think he was there, you didn't hear him there and you have no recollection of seeing him there, if he was?"
Exactly, Alan. The quote above, for me, sums up just how ridiculous Shane's evidence was. A complete debacle that demonstrated that his wee brother wasn't home. And contrary to what SL says, Shane did, eventually, concede his brother was not there when he arrived home at 1640 and when he went downstairs when his mother got home from work at 1720 (SM did try and wriggle his way out of admitting LM was not home by being vague and frequently saying he couldn't remember, but on his final day of evidence he categorically said his brother wasn't home between 1640 - 1720).
I do wonder if his telling the truth was borne of compassion & respect for Jodi or self-preservation?Probably the latter, imo, but then it might be an idea for me to read Shane's testimony in its entirety before drawing any conclusions on that (I've yet to read part 2 of his testimony).
If Shane Mitchell had any “compassion” or “respect” for Jodi Jones he would never have told the bare faced lies that he did
There’s more to Shane Mitchell’s story than he’s let on
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Probably the latter, imo, but then it might be an idea for me to read Shane's testimony in its entirety before drawing any conclusions on that (I've yet to read part 2 of his testimony). Maybe, too, because of his arrest on 14.04.04 and being charged with perverting the course of justice (subsequently, the charge was dropped as everyone knows), he was warned about perjury (and if not warned by the authorities, perhaps he himself was wary & conscious of it).
One final thing -- when was Shane's computer siezed and examined? I've always presumed it was before 14.04.04, as I don't think the police would arrest all 3 of them on the strength of Shane's changing his statement in early July '03 alone; the police having the evidence of his porn site visits combined with the changing of statements would be more robust evidence that would allow the police to formulate a theory that LM wasn't in the house and they were all lying and attempting to pervert the course of justice. It's just I'd seen a pic on alamy, dated 14.04.04, that showed police confiscating a PC (of course, it could have beein either LM's or CM's PC). The police interviewed SM for 6 hours on the morning of 14.04.04 after arresting him and, according to SL, the police introduced the porn site evidence in the last hour of that interview, so maybe they did only sieze SM's computer on the morning of 14.04.04 and only discovered the porn site evidence that same morning (allowing them to introduce it as evidence in the last hour of the interview). I don't think so, though? Anyone know? I haven't read all of SM's testimony, so maybe it's been explained.
Firmly suspect all computer equipment was seized early in the investigation
Have you read DI Craven’s trial testimony or any of the other police officers who gave evidence at the trial, like Dc Michelle Lindsay for example?
Evidence pertaining to Shane Mitchell will also be found in their trial testimony
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For many, SM’s failure to corroborate his younger brother’s alibi was one of the most salient pieces of evidence pointing towards LM’s guilt. Despite this, there doesn’t appear to be much information in the public domain regarding SM’s whereabouts that evening, after his infamous internet session between 1650 - 1716 hrs. The only info that does seem to be available around the issue of his whereabouts in the evening is that he left the house shortly after LM did (at approx 1730/1740 hrs) and, according to CM, he was in and out of the house quite a lot that evening (which CM said was a tad annoying as she was trying to have a fly cigarette, after telling her boys she had quit smoking; she mentions this in a podcast). The only other thing that has been mentioned with regards to SM’s whereabouts after 1730 hrs is that he was caught out lying/fabricating about where he had been that night and that he was allegedly, at one point that evening, 7 miles away somewhere filling his car with petrol.Why so far away? We know that he was in the house at 2240 as he had given LM a torch to go out searching for Jodi with (along with the dog, Mia). But, what was he doing over the entire course of that evening? A lot of focus was placed upon CM as possibly the person who was burning blood-stained, forensically incriminating clothing belonging to her son LM in the Mitchells’ log burner. But, could it have been SM solely who was the person burning said clothing? I did read very recently on a youtube comment (not the most reliable source, admittedly) that, in addition to fires being lit in the Mitchells’ garden at 1830 and 2200, there was another sighting of burning taking place in their garden at 0200 on 01.07.03 (in which case, it would have to have been SM doing this, since CM & LM were being questioned at the police station at this time). Or was it a joint effort by the two? Were their clothes tested? Were they smelling of smoke? More to the point, which other aspects of the case was SM cross-examined about or what evidence about him was led at court that was separate from his porn site/car site session?
I would really appreciate your input on this one, preferably with cites.
Thanks.
For many, SM’s failure to corroborate his younger brother’s alibi was one of the most salient pieces of evidence pointing towards LM’s guilt. Despite this, there doesn’t appear to be much information in the public domain regarding SM’s whereabouts that evening, after his infamous internet session between 1650 - 1716 hrs. The only info that does seem to be available around the issue of his whereabouts in the evening is that he left the house shortly after LM did (at approx 1730/1740 hrs) and, according to CM, he was in and out of the house quite a lot that evening (which CM said was a tad annoying as she was trying to have a fly cigarette, after telling her boys she had quit smoking; she mentions this in a podcast).
Shane Mitchell left his home at approx 6:30pm and arrived home before making the 9:57pm phone call via the landline
Does this constitute Corinne Mitchell’s claims of him being “in and out of the house quite a lot”?
The only other thing that has been mentioned with regards to SM’s whereabouts after 1730 hrs is that he was caught out lying/fabricating about where he had been that night and that he was allegedly, at one point that evening, 7 miles away somewhere filling his car with petrol.Why so far away?
What was Shane Mitchell doing going to get gas when he did?
Was he caught on CCTV when he went for gas?
We know that he was in the house at 2240 as he had given LM a torch to go out searching for Jodi with (along with the dog, Mia).
Yet no mention of a torch during his testimony?
I did read very recently on a youtube comment (not the most reliable source, admittedly) that, in addition to fires being lit in the Mitchells’ garden at 1830 and 2200, there was another sighting of burning taking place in their garden at 0200 on 01.07.03 (in which case, it would have to have been SM doing this, since CM & LM were being questioned at the police station at this time).
This is still very much a possibility
Were their clothes tested? Were they smelling of smoke? More to the point, which other aspects of the case was SM cross-examined about or what evidence about him was led at court that was separate from his porn site/car site session?
Obviously Shane and Corinne Mitchell’s clothing wasn’t tested
There’s still a page missing from Shane Mitchell’s testimony but other evidence regarding him may have come out via other witnesses - like for example the police witnesses
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There’s still a page missing from Shane Mitchell’s testimony but other evidence regarding him may have come out via other witnesses - like for example the police witnesses
I would like to read the evidence from the DC who interviewed SM on the morning of 14.04.04 when SM said: "He couldnae have been in the house if people had seen him." Outwith the presence of jury, DF had discussions with Lord N Smith & AD Turnbull regarding the 'unfairness' with which he thought a lot of the information from the aforementioned interview had been obtained, and was concerned of the ramifications it would have for the accused (ie, LM). This quote ("He couldnae have been there if people had seen him.") from SM was one in particular DF was concerned about, but, interestingly, didn't say it was an outright nonsense based on an unfair proposition, but, rather, drew attention to the word "people" and said it was, in the context of that part of the interview, inaccurate as it was only AB who had seen him (LM) at that point. For SM to have said what he said, imo, is very odd. Had he finally cracked by that point in the interview, and was sick of lying? Or was there an entirely innocent explanation for him saying that? Hopefully, testimony from the DC who interviewed SM when he said that will show up on the new blog.
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I would like to read the evidence from the DC who interviewed SM on the morning of 14.04.04 when SM said: “He couldnae have been in the house if people had seen him." Outwith the presence of jury, DF had discussions with Lord N Smith & AD Turnbull regarding the 'unfairness' with which he thought a lot of the information from the aforementioned interview had been obtained, and was concerned of the ramifications it would have for the accused (ie, LM). This quote ("He couldnae have been there if people had seen him.") from SM was one in particular DF was concerned about, but, interestingly, didn't say it was an outright nonsense based on an unfair proposition, but, rather, drew attention to the word "people" and said it was, in the context of that part of the interview, inaccurate as it was only AB who had seen him (LM) at that point. For SM to have said what he said, imo, is very odd. Had he finally cracked by that point in the interview, and was sick of lying? Or was there an entirely innocent explanation for him saying that? Hopefully, testimony from the DC who interviewed SM when he said that will show up on the new blog.
I found a lot of what Shane Mitchell said “odd”
I don’t think the Easton’s will be purchasing all of the trial transcripts
They will cost a few thousand pounds, plus there’s the 20% which apparently hasn’t been transcribed yet?
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There were no calls made from the landline from the Mitchell house between 4:01pm up to 9:57pm
None!
The 9:57pm call from the Mitchell’s landline telephone was to a number in Bathgate
Does Whitburn come under Bathgate ?
Wasn’t the other Kimberley Thomson from Whitburn? (Pages 1583 & 1611 of Sgt George Thomson’s 29th Dec’ testimony)
There was also mention of a Kimberley Tait
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10768.msg707232#msg707232
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Does Whitburn come under Bathgate ?
Wasn’t the other Kimberley Thomson from Whitburn? (Pages 1583 & 1611 of Sgt George Thomson’s 29th Dec’ testimony)
There was also mention of a Kimberley Tait
👇🏼
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10768.msg707232#msg707232
Liar Sandra Lean (and others) have claimed these young girls didn’t come forward until after killer Luke Mitchell was convicted
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Does Whitburn come under Bathgate ?
Wasn’t the other Kimberley Thomson from Whitburn? (Pages 1583 & 1611 of Sgt George Thomson’s 29th Dec’ testimony)
There was also mention of a Kimberley Tait
👇🏼
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10768.msg707232#msg707232
It does indeed come under Bathgate.
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I found a lot of what Shane Mitchell said “odd”
I don’t think the Easton’s will be purchasing all of the trial transcripts
They will cost a few thousand pounds, plus there’s the 20% which apparently hasn’t been transcribed yet?
I don't think so either which is fair enough, such a lot of money to fork out.