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Offline Alfie

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2017, 01:45:05 PM »
Isn't that what they did the last time they were in trouble?
What did they do exactly, and with some evidence to back up your claim, ta.
Only asking questions....

Offline Benice

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2017, 02:14:09 PM »
Well what a surprise.   Dave Edgar supports the McCanns and so must now be sneered at and have his expertise as an Ex Detective Inspector called into question.

Quote from the Belfast Telegraph

Snipped...

Dave had accepted demotion to join the Cheshire police force in 1986 after he left the RUC.
But he quickly moved up the ranks, becoming a detective inspector for the second time in his career.

As a result, Dave found himself at the heart of these high-profile investigations.

Dave’s team were stumped until they identified killer Stephen Mottram through the use of controversial Low Copy Number DNA profiling to analyse single cells left at the scene.

Mottram, 40, from Cheshire, was convicted in 2007 and will serve 16 years.

Dave said: “It was a difficult and long case, and thank God we were able to use the DNA tests.”

This have-a-go hero dad, 47, was kicked to death by a group of feral youths outside his Cheshire home.

Dave Edgar’s work on the case, the same month Stephen Mottram was convicted, led to his three teen killers being sentenced to life.

Dave was also awarded a judge’s commendation for his work on the case.

End quote


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2017, 02:42:30 PM »
Well what a surprise.   Dave Edgar supports the McCanns and so must now be sneered at and have his expertise as an Ex Detective Inspector called into question.

Quote from the Belfast Telegraph

Snipped...

Dave had accepted demotion to join the Cheshire police force in 1986 after he left the RUC.
But he quickly moved up the ranks, becoming a detective inspector for the second time in his career.

As a result, Dave found himself at the heart of these high-profile investigations.

Dave’s team were stumped until they identified killer Stephen Mottram through the use of controversial Low Copy Number DNA profiling to analyse single cells left at the scene.

Mottram, 40, from Cheshire, was convicted in 2007 and will serve 16 years.

Dave said: “It was a difficult and long case, and thank God we were able to use the DNA tests.”

This have-a-go hero dad, 47, was kicked to death by a group of feral youths outside his Cheshire home.

Dave Edgar’s work on the case, the same month Stephen Mottram was convicted, led to his three teen killers being sentenced to life.

Dave was also awarded a judge’s commendation for his work on the case.

End quote

This is why sceptics think he's useless. From, again, the Belfast Telegraph September 2009.

"A controversial DNA test used in the failed Omagh bomb case is the key to finding Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper, Ulster investigator Dave Edgar has claimed.

But the former RUC detective sergeant’s team will never be able to use it as Portuguese authorities will not give him access to forensic information.

Speaking exclusively to Sunday Life at the HQ of his Alpha Investigations Group in Cheshire, the ex-cop leading the search for Maddie believes that DNA tests, which can establish a profile from just a few cells, could help solve the mystery."

Thing is by September 2009 low copy DNA had been used on the McCann case.
Further how can you avoid sneering at an ex policeman who was willing to carry out an investigation having only seen the files that his clients allowed him to see.

BTW Henry Exton was an OBE and, having looked at all the files, thought there were unexplained anomalies in the McCann's and their friend's evidence.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent themurderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Offline Alfie

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2017, 02:47:06 PM »
This is why sceptics think he's useless. From, again, the Belfast Telegraph September 2009.

"A controversial DNA test used in the failed Omagh bomb case is the key to finding Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper, Ulster investigator Dave Edgar has claimed.

But the former RUC detective sergeant’s team will never be able to use it as Portuguese authorities will not give him access to forensic information.

Speaking exclusively to Sunday Life at the HQ of his Alpha Investigations Group in Cheshire, the ex-cop leading the search for Maddie believes that DNA tests, which can establish a profile from just a few cells, could help solve the mystery."

Thing is by September 2009 low copy DNA had been used on the McCann case.
Further how can you avoid sneering at an ex policeman who was willing to carry out an investigation having only seen the files that his clients allowed him to see.

BTW Henry Exton was an OBE and, having looked at all the files, thought there were unexplained anomalies in the McCann's and their friend's evidence.
What investigative credentials does having an OBE confer on an individual, pray tell? 
Only asking questions....

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2017, 02:53:26 PM »
What investigative credentials does having an OBE confer on an individual, pray tell?


"“Born in Belgium in 1951, Exton had been a highly effective undercover officer for the Manchester police. A maverick and dynamic figure, he successfully infiltrated gangs of football hooligans in the 1980’s. While not popular among his colleagues, in 1991 he was seconded to work on MI5 undercover operations against drug dealers, gangsters and terrorists, and was later awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for ‘outstanding bravery’.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent themurderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Offline Alfie

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2017, 03:01:08 PM »

"“Born in Belgium in 1951, Exton had been a highly effective undercover officer for the Manchester police. A maverick and dynamic figure, he successfully infiltrated gangs of football hooligans in the 1980’s. While not popular among his colleagues, in 1991 he was seconded to work on MI5 undercover operations against drug dealers, gangsters and terrorists, and was later awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for ‘outstanding bravery’.
I don't think you understood my question but never mind. 
Only asking questions....

Offline Brietta

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2017, 03:19:40 PM »
Dave Edgar was an Inspector yet the press describe him as a "top cop".
Inspector has two ranks below and five ranks above............................... &%+((£
It is also on record he took a demotion to stay in the force.
Anyway he handed his files to The Met in 2011 so were there anything of use The Met will have used it.
I don't recall The Met looking in the "lawless hinterland" or even mentioning it.
Child trafficking gangs? Europol proper JIT country?
Manual of Naval Tactics ca 1912 "when in trouble lay smoke"  ?{)(**

No results found for Manual of Naval Tactics ca 1912 "when in trouble lay smoke".
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline davel

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2017, 03:22:31 PM »

"“Born in Belgium in 1951, Exton had been a highly effective undercover officer for the Manchester police. A maverick and dynamic figure, he successfully infiltrated gangs of football hooligans in the 1980’s. While not popular among his colleagues, in 1991 he was seconded to work on MI5 undercover operations against drug dealers, gangsters and terrorists, and was later awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for ‘outstanding bravery’.

Unfortunately he was then arrested for shoplifting
as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

If civil questions are being asked can we have the courtesy to provide civil answers.

Offline stephen25000

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2017, 03:40:55 PM »
Well what a surprise.   Dave Edgar supports the McCanns and so must now be sneered at and have his expertise as an Ex Detective Inspector called into question.

Quote from the Belfast Telegraph

Snipped...

Dave had accepted demotion to join the Cheshire police force in 1986 after he left the RUC.
But he quickly moved up the ranks, becoming a detective inspector for the second time in his career.

As a result, Dave found himself at the heart of these high-profile investigations.

Dave’s team were stumped until they identified killer Stephen Mottram through the use of controversial Low Copy Number DNA profiling to analyse single cells left at the scene.

Mottram, 40, from Cheshire, was convicted in 2007 and will serve 16 years.

Dave said: “It was a difficult and long case, and thank God we were able to use the DNA tests.”

This have-a-go hero dad, 47, was kicked to death by a group of feral youths outside his Cheshire home.

Dave Edgar’s work on the case, the same month Stephen Mottram was convicted, led to his three teen killers being sentenced to life.

Dave was also awarded a judge’s commendation for his work on the case.

End quote

Well, what do you expect ?

You are very happy to criticize Amaral.

..And Dave did the D.N.A. tests as well ? 8**8:/:
« Last Edit: April 03, 2017, 03:45:39 PM by stephen25000 »
The McCanns were solely responsible for their childcare arrangements and there is no one else to blame.

S and S, two more amateurs making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2017, 03:41:11 PM »
I don't think you understood my question but never mind.

I understood your question perfectly. I presume Exton's OBE was for his work in the police and M15. I was just trying to expand the forum's knowledge of this outstanding investigator.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent themurderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Offline Eleanor

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2017, 04:07:41 PM »
I understood your question perfectly. I presume Exton's OBE was for his work in the police and M15. I was just trying to expand the forum's knowledge of this outstanding investigator.

What did he get for shoplifting?

Offline Alfie

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2017, 04:49:29 PM »
I understood your question perfectly. I presume Exton's OBE was for his work in the police and M15. I was just trying to expand the forum's knowledge of this outstanding investigator.
With regard to his involvement in investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, what specifically do you think was his outstanding contribution (apart from thinking there were unexplained anomalies in the McCanns' statement - or was it just that?)
Only asking questions....

Offline davel

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2017, 04:53:27 PM »
I understood your question perfectly. I presume Exton's OBE was for his work in the police and M15. I was just trying to expand the forum's knowledge of this outstanding investigator.

yes could you tell us about his shoplifting charge
as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

If civil questions are being asked can we have the courtesy to provide civil answers.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2017, 05:33:46 PM »
.....

BTW Henry Exton was an OBE and, having looked at all the files, thought there were unexplained anomalies in the McCann's and their friend's evidence.
Now you are talking my language.
What are you doing to find Madeleine?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2017, 05:35:50 PM »
yes could you tell us about his shoplifting charge
A bad name!
What are you doing to find Madeleine?