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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #885 on: April 20, 2017, 11:26:53 AM »
 If Madeleine has wandered off and If "somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent" and if despite all the publicity does nothing to return Madeleine, is that an abduction?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #886 on: April 21, 2017, 12:28:29 AM »
If Madeleine has wandered off and If "somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent" and if despite all the publicity does nothing to return Madeleine, is that an abduction?

Yes
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline John

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #887 on: April 21, 2017, 12:41:22 AM »
If Madeleine has wandered off and If "somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent" and if despite all the publicity does nothing to return Madeleine, is that an abduction?

Abduction is defined as the action of forcibly taking someone away against their will. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #888 on: April 21, 2017, 04:28:45 AM »
Abduction is defined as the action of forcibly taking someone away against their will.
Well what would be described in the above situation?  Repeat: "If Madeleine has wandered off and if "somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent" and if despite all the publicity does nothing to return Madeleine"?

It might be a form of abduction?  As soon as Madeleine says to the person looking after her "I want to go home" they have kept her against her will.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #889 on: April 21, 2017, 08:28:37 AM »
If a child was in need of urgent medical attention does the person find the parents first or take the child to the closest medical centre?

The person wouldn't really know where the parents were, in the case of Madeleine wandering and with Kate and Gerry at the Tapas. I can't see anyone blaming a person for trying to get medical help, but if the first place they go to is closed are they entitled to go somewhere else? If they were where/when would that end?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #890 on: April 21, 2017, 09:38:38 AM »
If a child was in need of urgent medical attention does the person find the parents first or take the child to the closest medical centre?

The person wouldn't really know where the parents were, in the case of Madeleine wandering and with Kate and Gerry at the Tapas. I can't see anyone blaming a person for trying to get medical help, but if the first place they go to is closed are they entitled to go somewhere else? If they were where/when would that end?

Even in 2007 there were mobiles.
If the emergency number was not known or there was no phone ... the good old fashioned method of screaming "HELP" at the top of one's voice can do the trick.  There was plenty of habitation around.

Why on earth would anyone pick up a child obviously in need of medical attention and risk further more severe injury by moving him/her anywhere?
In my opinion that scenario is a non-starter
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline G-Unit

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #891 on: April 21, 2017, 09:46:51 AM »
Even in 2007 there were mobiles.
If the emergency number was not known or there was no phone ... the good old fashioned method of screaming "HELP" at the top of one's voice can do the trick.  There was plenty of habitation around.

Why on earth would anyone pick up a child obviously in need of medical attention and risk further more severe injury by moving him/her anywhere?
In my opinion that scenario is a non-starter

The McCanns did a fair bit of screaming and it still took 40 minutes for a call to be made to the police.
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Offline Benice

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #892 on: April 21, 2017, 10:20:24 AM »
The McCanns did a fair bit of screaming and it still took 40 minutes for a call to be made to the police.

But only because they thought the call had already been made earlier.   They were not to know that the person who was asked to make the call decided to wait until his boss told him to. 

There is no 'sinister' reason to explain why the call wasn't made until 10.40.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #893 on: April 21, 2017, 10:29:25 AM »
But only because they thought the call had already been made earlier.   They were not to know that the person who was asked to make the call decided to wait until his boss told him to. 

There is no 'sinister' reason to explain why the call wasn't made until 10.40.

IMO
All well and good except that John Hill does not mention this.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #894 on: April 21, 2017, 12:12:19 PM »
All well and good except that John Hill does not mention this.

The receptionist never mentions being asked to phone; the Tapas staff don't mention being begged to phone; the McCann's friends don't mention asking them to..............

Our friends were running to and from the Tapas area, pleading with people to ring the police again from there.
[Madeleine]
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Offline davel

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #895 on: April 21, 2017, 12:13:36 PM »
The receptionist never mentions being asked to phone; the Tapas staff don't mention being begged to phone; the McCann's friends don't mention asking them to..............

Our friends were running to and from the Tapas area, pleading with people to ring the police again from there.
[Madeleine]

Just because they didn't mention it doesn't mean it didn't happen
as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

If civil questions are being asked can we have the courtesy to provide civil answers.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #896 on: April 21, 2017, 02:23:57 PM »
Just because they didn't mention it doesn't mean it didn't happen

It doesn't mean it did either.

Kate McCann 4th May

The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm
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Offline John

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #897 on: April 21, 2017, 03:33:46 PM »
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Offline Alfie

Re: Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"
« Reply #898 on: April 21, 2017, 03:46:51 PM »
The receptionist never mentions being asked to phone; the Tapas staff don't mention being begged to phone; the McCann's friends don't mention asking them to..............

Our friends were running to and from the Tapas area, pleading with people to ring the police again from there.
[Madeleine]
Why would they mention it?  What are you suggesting? 
Only asking questions....