Former McCann PI "Who is protecting Maddie's kidnapper?"

[Alfie]

Isn't that what they did the last time they were in trouble?

What did they do exactly, and with some evidence to back up your claim, ta.

[Benice]

Well what a surprise.   Dave Edgar supports the McCanns and so must now be sneered at and have his expertise as an Ex Detective Inspector called into question.

Quote from the Belfast Telegraph

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Dave had accepted demotion to join the Cheshire police force in 1986 after he left the RUC.
But he quickly moved up the ranks, becoming a detective inspector for the second time in his career.

As a result, Dave found himself at the heart of these high-profile investigations.

Dave’s team were stumped until they identified killer Stephen Mottram through the use of controversial Low Copy Number DNA profiling to analyse single cells left at the scene.

Mottram, 40, from Cheshire, was convicted in 2007 and will serve 16 years.

Dave said: “It was a difficult and long case, and thank God we were able to use the DNA tests.”

This have-a-go hero dad, 47, was kicked to death by a group of feral youths outside his Cheshire home.

Dave Edgar’s work on the case, the same month Stephen Mottram was convicted, led to his three teen killers being sentenced to life.

Dave was also awarded a judge’s commendation for his work on the case.

End quote

[faithlilly]

Well what a surprise.   Dave Edgar supports the McCanns and so must now be sneered at and have his expertise as an Ex Detective Inspector called into question.

Quote from the Belfast Telegraph

Snipped...

Dave had accepted demotion to join the Cheshire police force in 1986 after he left the RUC.
But he quickly moved up the ranks, becoming a detective inspector for the second time in his career.

As a result, Dave found himself at the heart of these high-profile investigations.

Dave’s team were stumped until they identified killer Stephen Mottram through the use of controversial Low Copy Number DNA profiling to analyse single cells left at the scene.

Mottram, 40, from Cheshire, was convicted in 2007 and will serve 16 years.

Dave said: “It was a difficult and long case, and thank God we were able to use the DNA tests.”

This have-a-go hero dad, 47, was kicked to death by a group of feral youths outside his Cheshire home.

Dave Edgar’s work on the case, the same month Stephen Mottram was convicted, led to his three teen killers being sentenced to life.

Dave was also awarded a judge’s commendation for his work on the case.

End quote

This is why sceptics think he's useless. From, again, the Belfast Telegraph September 2009.

"A controversial DNA test used in the failed Omagh bomb case is the key to finding Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper, Ulster investigator Dave Edgar has claimed.

But the former RUC detective sergeant’s team will never be able to use it as Portuguese authorities will not give him access to forensic information.

Speaking exclusively to Sunday Life at the HQ of his Alpha Investigations Group in Cheshire, the ex-cop leading the search for Maddie believes that DNA tests, which can establish a profile from just a few cells, could help solve the mystery."

Thing is by September 2009 low copy DNA had been used on the McCann case.
Further how can you avoid sneering at an ex policeman who was willing to carry out an investigation having only seen the files that his clients allowed him to see.

BTW Henry Exton was an OBE and, having looked at all the files, thought there were unexplained anomalies in the McCann's and their friend's evidence.

[Alfie]

This is why sceptics think he's useless. From, again, the Belfast Telegraph September 2009.

"A controversial DNA test used in the failed Omagh bomb case is the key to finding Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper, Ulster investigator Dave Edgar has claimed.

But the former RUC detective sergeant’s team will never be able to use it as Portuguese authorities will not give him access to forensic information.

Speaking exclusively to Sunday Life at the HQ of his Alpha Investigations Group in Cheshire, the ex-cop leading the search for Maddie believes that DNA tests, which can establish a profile from just a few cells, could help solve the mystery."

Thing is by September 2009 low copy DNA had been used on the McCann case.
Further how can you avoid sneering at an ex policeman who was willing to carry out an investigation having only seen the files that his clients allowed him to see.

BTW Henry Exton was an OBE and, having looked at all the files, thought there were unexplained anomalies in the McCann's and their friend's evidence.

What investigative credentials does having an OBE confer on an individual, pray tell? 

[faithlilly]

What investigative credentials does having an OBE confer on an individual, pray tell?

"“Born in Belgium in 1951, Exton had been a highly effective undercover officer for the Manchester police. A maverick and dynamic figure, he successfully infiltrated gangs of football hooligans in the 1980’s. While not popular among his colleagues, in 1991 he was seconded to work on MI5 undercover operations against drug dealers, gangsters and terrorists, and was later awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for ‘outstanding bravery’.

[Alfie]

"“Born in Belgium in 1951, Exton had been a highly effective undercover officer for the Manchester police. A maverick and dynamic figure, he successfully infiltrated gangs of football hooligans in the 1980’s. While not popular among his colleagues, in 1991 he was seconded to work on MI5 undercover operations against drug dealers, gangsters and terrorists, and was later awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for ‘outstanding bravery’.

I don't think you understood my question but never mind. 

[Brietta]

Dave Edgar was an Inspector yet the press describe him as a "top cop".
Inspector has two ranks below and five ranks above............................... &%+((£
It is also on record he took a demotion to stay in the force.
Anyway he handed his files to The Met in 2011 so were there anything of use The Met will have used it.
I don't recall The Met looking in the "lawless hinterland" or even mentioning it.
Child trafficking gangs? Europol proper JIT country?
Manual of Naval Tactics ca 1912 "when in trouble lay smoke" 

No results found for Manual of Naval Tactics ca 1912 "when in trouble lay smoke".

[Mr Gray]

"“Born in Belgium in 1951, Exton had been a highly effective undercover officer for the Manchester police. A maverick and dynamic figure, he successfully infiltrated gangs of football hooligans in the 1980’s. While not popular among his colleagues, in 1991 he was seconded to work on MI5 undercover operations against drug dealers, gangsters and terrorists, and was later awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for ‘outstanding bravery’.

Unfortunately he was then arrested for shoplifting

[stephen25000]

Well what a surprise.   Dave Edgar supports the McCanns and so must now be sneered at and have his expertise as an Ex Detective Inspector called into question.

Quote from the Belfast Telegraph

Snipped...

Dave had accepted demotion to join the Cheshire police force in 1986 after he left the RUC.
But he quickly moved up the ranks, becoming a detective inspector for the second time in his career.

As a result, Dave found himself at the heart of these high-profile investigations.

Dave’s team were stumped until they identified killer Stephen Mottram through the use of controversial Low Copy Number DNA profiling to analyse single cells left at the scene.

Mottram, 40, from Cheshire, was convicted in 2007 and will serve 16 years.

Dave said: “It was a difficult and long case, and thank God we were able to use the DNA tests.”

This have-a-go hero dad, 47, was kicked to death by a group of feral youths outside his Cheshire home.

Dave Edgar’s work on the case, the same month Stephen Mottram was convicted, led to his three teen killers being sentenced to life.

Dave was also awarded a judge’s commendation for his work on the case.

End quote

Well, what do you expect ?

You are very happy to criticize Amaral.

..And Dave did the D.N.A. tests as well ?

[faithlilly]

I don't think you understood my question but never mind.

I understood your question perfectly. I presume Exton's OBE was for his work in the police and M15. I was just trying to expand the forum's knowledge of this outstanding investigator.

[Eleanor]

I understood your question perfectly. I presume Exton's OBE was for his work in the police and M15. I was just trying to expand the forum's knowledge of this outstanding investigator.

What did he get for shoplifting?

[Alfie]

I understood your question perfectly. I presume Exton's OBE was for his work in the police and M15. I was just trying to expand the forum's knowledge of this outstanding investigator.

With regard to his involvement in investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, what specifically do you think was his outstanding contribution (apart from thinking there were unexplained anomalies in the McCanns' statement - or was it just that?)

[Mr Gray]

I understood your question perfectly. I presume Exton's OBE was for his work in the police and M15. I was just trying to expand the forum's knowledge of this outstanding investigator.

yes could you tell us about his shoplifting charge

[Robittybob1]

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BTW Henry Exton was an OBE and, having looked at all the files, thought there were unexplained anomalies in the McCann's and their friend's evidence.

Now you are talking my language.

[Robittybob1]

yes could you tell us about his shoplifting charge

A bad name!