The PJ final report ...

[faithlilly]

There are potent and logical reasons for supposing Inspector Carlos had it bang-on right to suppose Gerry was at the table at the moment of the Smith sighting.

Gerry had eight people ( although not independent witnesses) to his presence at the table. That would be a hard alibi to break.

[ferryman]

Gerry had eight people ( although not independent witnesses) to his presence at the table. That would be a hard alibi to break.

Unclear why you felt the need to introduce your lack of knowledge on what is, or is not, an independent witness into this?

[faithlilly]

Unclear why you felt the need to introduce your lack of knowledge on what is, or is not, an independent witness into this?

An independent witness is one with no established relationship with the person under suspicion. Surely you knew that?

[Alice Purjorick]

An independent witness means that the person does not know any of the parties involved.

[Mr Gray]

They weren't on trial.

 

On the evidence they would have been found not guilty

[Alfie]

On the evidence they would have been found not guilty

But that wouldn't have been considered the end of it as far as the sceptics are concerned - oooh noooo.

Mind you this is Portugal we're talking about.  They would probably have been found not guilty  and then ten years later found guilty in absentia.

[barrier]

Conclusion from the report:

In conclusion, it results from everything that has been done, despite the efforts that were made and all investigation lines being explored, that it is not possible to obtain a solid and objective conclusion about what really happened that night, and about the present location of the missing minor.

All but nine years on April2016 words attributed to DSI Duthie,we do not have a" full understanding" of what happened,not much changed.

[barrier]

Accusation be damned!

The Supreme Court judges ignored the report.

I'm wondering why.

It probably would have been better for the McCann's if their lawyer had ignored it.

[Angelo222]

The truth is that if the McCanns had been tried on the evidence they would have been found not guilty
That must make it evidence of innocence

Finding someone not guilty in a court of law is not an absolute indication of innocence. Examples being Sion Jenkins and Barry George where the English High Court ruled that both be denied compensation because it was not shown beyond any shadow of a doubt that they were innocent.  So it appears that in English law at least, a not guilty verdict, a jury failing to return a verdict or being cleared on appeal is NOT an automatic right to be viewed as innocent.

The converse is also true, anyone found guilty could very well be innocent.

[barrier]

Finding someone not guilty in a court of law is not an absolute indication of innocence. Examples being Sion Jenkins and Barry George where the English High Court ruled that both be denied compensation because it was not shown beyond any shadow of a doubt that they were innocent.  So it appears that in English law at least, a not guilty verdict, a jury failing to return a verdict or being cleared on appeal is NOT an automatic right to be viewed as innocent.

The converse is also true, anyone found guilty could very well be innocent.

Stefan kiszko being one.

[Mr Gray]

Finding someone not guilty in a court of law is not an absolute indication of innocence. Examples being Sion Jenkins and Barry George where the English High Court ruled that both be denied compensation because it was not shown beyond any shadow of a doubt that they were innocent.  So it appears that in English law at least, a not guilty verdict, a jury failing to return a verdict or being cleared on appeal is NOT an automatic right to be viewed as innocent.

The converse is also true, anyone found guilty could very well be innocent.

Read my post
Not guilty would have been evidence of innocence as I have said
Not proof

[ferryman]

An independent witness is one with no established relationship with the person under suspicion. Surely you knew that?

An independent witness is one with no reason to lie.

[G-Unit]

What would be "some sort of truth" in your view?  For example if someone were tried and found guilty would that be some sort of truth?  Is the result of the SC Judgement some sort of truth?  What is truth and who determines whether it is so or not?

The report's contents are not set in stone, There are no completely accurate times, for example.

[G-Unit]

There are potent and logical reasons for supposing Inspector Carlos had it bang-on right to suppose Gerry was at the table at the moment of the Smith sighting.

Name them.

[ferryman]

The report's contents are not set in stone, There are no completely accurate times, for example.

The files (that we read on line) are littered with errors and corrections.