Author Topic: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?  (Read 5589 times)

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Online Eleanor

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2017, 01:51:28 PM »
But he got a conviction, and probably hoped for the same in The McCann Affair.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2017, 02:04:18 PM »
But he got a conviction, and probably hoped for the same in The McCann Affair.

But surely if he wished to pin the disappearance on anyone Murat was a better, safer bet?
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
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Online Eleanor

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2017, 02:17:25 PM »
But surely if he wished to pin the disappearance on anyone Murat was a better, safer bet?

Even Amaral need some vestige of evidence pointing in that direction, and there was none.

And Robert Murat lawyered up pretty damn quick.  He obviously knew of The Ciprianos.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2017, 03:37:53 PM »
Even Amaral need some vestige of evidence pointing in that direction, and there was none.

And Robert Murat lawyered up pretty damn quick.  He obviously knew of The Ciprianos.

So there must have been evidence pointing to the McCanns? Is that what you are saying?
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Eleanor

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2017, 03:50:38 PM »
So there must have been evidence pointing to the McCanns? Is that what you are saying?

No, and you know that I am not.  None of them were charged with anything.

Amaral at least realised that The McCanns could not have hidden or disposed of a body without local help.  Robert Murat is half Brit and half Portuguese, so the perfect scapegoat to assist The McCanns, and no real stain on Portugal.

Talk about a sitting duck.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2017, 04:17:56 AM by John »

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2017, 04:16:03 PM »
No, and you know that I am not.  None of them were charged with anything.

Amaral at least realised that The McCanns could not have hidden or disposed of a body without local help.  Robert Murat is half Brit and half Portuguese, so the perfect scapegoat to assist The McCanns, and no real stain on Portugal.

Talk about a sitting duck.

Amaral has never, as far as I am aware, said the McCanns couldn't have hidden the body without local help. Do you have a cite?
« Last Edit: April 19, 2017, 04:18:16 AM by John »
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Eleanor

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2017, 04:39:59 PM »
Amaral has never, as far as I am aware, said the McCanns couldn't have hidden the body without local help. Do you have a cite?

So whose local help?  It wasn't possible without it.  Surely even you can see that.  Or do you have a theory as to how they could have done it?
« Last Edit: April 19, 2017, 04:18:34 AM by John »

Alfie

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Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2017, 04:43:12 PM »
So whose local help?  It wasn't possible without it.  Surely even you can see that.  Or do you have a theory as to how they could have done it?
Faithlilly subscribes to the "tossed the body in a bin" theory.

Offline ferryman

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2017, 04:47:51 PM »
So whose local help?  It wasn't possible without it.  Surely even you can see that.  Or do you have a theory as to how they could have done it?

It was the prosecutors who made reference to lack of local knowledge:

 
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Their daily routine, until the 3rd of May, had been circumscribed to the narrow borders of the 'Ocean Club' resort and to the beach that lies next to it, unknowing the surrounding terrain and, apart from the English friends that were with them on holiday there, they had no known friends or contacts in Portugal.

Portuguese prosecutors.

Online Eleanor

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2017, 04:59:27 PM »
Faithlilly subscribes to the "tossed the body in a bin" theory.

Well, I suppose that's always possible.  Dead daughter, died by accident, toss her in the nearest bin, as you might.

However, The McCanns won't have known anything much about Bin Collections, or the fact that land fills wouldn't have been searched.

If they had been, and the body was found then the cause of death would have become immediately apparent.  Not a frightfully good option.  Much too risky.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2017, 05:42:36 PM »
So whose local help?  It wasn't possible without it.  Surely even you can see that.  Or do you have a theory as to how they could have done it?

Of course it was possible without it unless you subscribe to the body in the car theory, which I don't, do you ?
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Eleanor

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2017, 08:10:29 PM »
Of course it was possible without it unless you subscribe to the body in the car theory, which I don't, do you ?

Certainly not.  Please try not to be too ridiculous.

Online ShiningInLuz

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2017, 10:13:02 PM »
It was the prosecutors who made reference to lack of local knowledge:

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Their daily routine, until the 3rd of May, had been circumscribed to the narrow borders of the 'Ocean Club' resort and to the beach that lies next to it, unknowing the surrounding terrain and, apart from the English friends that were with them on holiday there, they had no known friends or contacts in Portugal.

Portuguese prosecutors.
And that bit is known to be wrong.
In mods I trust!

Offline ferryman

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2017, 10:15:22 PM »
Portuguese prosecutors.

And that bit is known to be wrong.

Known how?

If you are referring to 'the run', 'runs' are usually to build up a sweat and get in exercise (as well as relieving stress, if it was taken after Madeleine's abduction).

Not to peruse the local countryside.
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Offline davel

Re: Was Amaral Biased Against the McCanns and If So Why?
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2017, 10:15:53 PM »
Portuguese prosecutors.

And that bit is known to be wrong.

It isn't known to be wrong at all
Just because they had a couple or 3 runs it does not mean they know the area