Strange Witness Statements

[Alice Purjorick]

So the sceptical view is that the police should ignore eye witnesses and should just ignore the reports they give ... quite intriguing.

Err no! But maybe the fuzz accounted for the folk and found it not relevant. But of course the "not relevant" is a bit of stumbling block in certain quarters. Were you a Tony Blair fan perchance? he was once in favour of a law that allowed the Sweeney to run someone in because they looked as though they might do something hookey.

[Mr Gray]

Err no! But maybe the fuzz accounted for the folk and found it not relevant. But of course the "not relevant" is a bit of stumbling block in certain quarters. Were you a Tony Blair fan perchance? he was once in favour of a law that allowed the Sweeney to run someone in because they looked as though they might do something hookey.

far more likely that amaral and his team ignored the other leads because they misunderstood the dog's evidence

[mercury]

Who is saying it was the abductor who was watching 5a?    It could have been someone passing the info on.

So someone else willing to let his mug be seen stalking the joint?? whats the difference?

[Alice Purjorick]

far more likely that amaral and his team ignored the other leads because they misunderstood the dog's evidence

That is rather funny as written. Funny haha that is not funny peculiar. Oh I don't know maybe both.

[Brietta]

Err no! But maybe the fuzz accounted for the folk and found it not relevant. But of course the "not relevant" is a bit of stumbling block in certain quarters. Were you a Tony Blair fan perchance? he was once in favour of a law that allowed the Sweeney to run someone in because they looked as though they might do something hookey.

One thing the Portuguese police had in abundance were (the real and accurate) files on Madeleine McCann's disappearance.  They have files which were not published on the internet.  Therefore any information on these guys would be therein.

By a process of deduction ~ based on the fact that DCI Redwood was making appeals for information on all of these people reported by witnesses to have been in the vicinity of the apartment ~ it is apparent that the 'fuzz' had neither accounted for these folk or found them irrelevant.

A huge failure in the investigation ... and if you will not recognise the inherent incompetence in that ... it says a lot.

[Lace]

Eye witness to what ? People hanging around ?

Isn't it possible the man seen looking into the garden of 5a was simply being nosey and passing the time until his ride to work turned up ? And perhaps the guy in the stairwell was having a sneaky ciggie somewhere where his wife wouldn't see him ?

Whadda ya think Brietta ? Plausible ?

It would be up to the police to rule these people out,  they haven't come forward have they?

Lets see,     if say  April Jones little friend hadn't seen April get into that car,   and a witness said she saw a man standing about where April went missing,   are you saying that this man who was seen shouldn't be found and ruled out?

Or it is just the Madeleine McCann case where these things are not supposed to happen?

[Alice Purjorick]

One thing the Portuguese police had in abundance were (the real and accurate) files on Madeleine McCann's disappearance.  They have files which were not published on the internet.  Therefore any information on these guys would be therein.

By a process of deduction ~ based on the fact that DCI Redwood was making appeals for information on all of these people reported by witnesses to have been in the vicinity of the apartment ~ it is apparent that the 'fuzz' had neither accounted for these folk or found them irrelevant.

A huge failure in the investigation ... and if you will not recognise the inherent incompetence in that ... it says a lot.

There is a basic flaw in your reasoning there Sherlock. See if you can work it out.

[Brietta]

It would be up to the police to rule these people out,  they haven't come forward have they?

Lets see,     if say  April Jones little friend hadn't seen April get into that car,   and a witness said she saw a man standing about where April went missing,   are you saying that this man who was seen shouldn't be found and ruled out?

Or it is just the Madeleine McCann case where these things are not supposed to happen?

Precisely, Lace.
In the scenario to which you refer, the man should have been traced to determine if he was the perpetrator or not, and to determine if he had seen anything which might have been useful in tracking down the perpetrator.

The fact that witnesses came forward to say they had seen a man, does not mean he was connected to the crime, but that has to be determined by detective work ... and it seems no-one bothered until DCI Redwood did.

The initial investigation floundered on the lead detective's theory ... the fact that all avenues of investigation hadn't been followed through in preference of that is indicative to me of his unsuitability for the task of searching for a missing child.

[stephen25000]

Precisely, Lace.
In the scenario to which you refer, the man should have been traced to determine if he was the perpetrator or not, and to determine if he had seen anything which might have been useful in tracking down the perpetrator.

The fact that witnesses came forward to say they had seen a man, does not mean he was connected to the crime, but that has to be determined by detective work ... and it seems no-one bothered until DCI Redwood did.

The initial investigation floundered on the lead detective's theory ... the fact that all avenues of investigation hadn't been followed through in preference of that is indicative to me of his unsuitability for the task of searching for a missing child.

Your biased opinion.

The PJ could find no evidence of abduction.

The accounts of the mccanns and some associates were not consistent.

Tghey did what any other police force would have done, INVESTIGATE THE PARENTS.

[faithlilly]

Precisely, Lace.
In the scenario to which you refer, the man should have been traced to determine if he was the perpetrator or not, and to determine if he had seen anything which might have been useful in tracking down the perpetrator.

The fact that witnesses came forward to say they had seen a man, does not mean he was connected to the crime, but that has to be determined by detective work ... and it seems no-one bothered until DCI Redwood did.

The initial investigation floundered on the lead detective's theory ... the fact that all avenues of investigation hadn't been followed through in preference of that is indicative to me of his unsuitability for the task of searching for a missing child.

Can I remind you that there were also three PI companies employed by the McCanns who also failed to follow up these 'leads'. Dave Edgar especially knew the importance of these sightings as they were included in Emma Loach's mockumentary so why didn't he find them ?

[Lace]

Your biased opinion.

The PJ could find no evidence of abduction.

The accounts of the mccanns and some associates were not consistent.

Tghey did what any other police force would have done, INVESTIGATE THE PARENTS.

The PJ investigated the parents three months later!!

Sightings were investigated so he was obviously looking into the fact that Madeleine could have been abducted.

Why didn't he go through the list of people who had children in the crèche on the night of the 3rd of May and illuminate those who could have been the person that Jane Tanner saw?

[pathfinder73]

He cannot say exactly, but he thinks that on Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom with KATE as she [K] had told him that one or both twins had cried making much noise. (GM)

What a strange statement. Why didn't he say Madeleine slept with us both? Didn't Gerry hear the very loud crying or wasn't he in the apartment at the time the crying happened but only Kate  &%+((£

[Brietta]

Your biased opinion.

The PJ could find no evidence of abduction.

The accounts of the mccanns and some associates were not consistent.

Tghey did what any other police force would have done, INVESTIGATE THE PARENTS.

INVESTIGATING THE PARENTS should not exclude the closure of other investigative avenues, which is precisely what happened in Madeleine McCann's case.

That there was no evidence against the parents illustrates that huge mistakes were made which allowed the real perpetrators to go off laughing up their sleeves at the helpful ineptitude.

That the strangers witnessed were not traced before concentrating on Madeleine's parents is an illustration of extreme negligence.

[Eleanor]

Topic, Please.

[Lace]

He cannot say exactly, but he thinks that on Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom with KATE as she [K] had told him that one or both twins had cried making much noise. (GM)

What a strange statement. Why didn't he say Madeleine slept with us both? Didn't Gerry hear the very loud crying or wasn't he in the apartment at the time the crying happened but only Kate  &%+((£

Could be that is how it was interpreted,   what you say in English doesn't always come out the same way in Portuguese.

Yes I believe Gerry did say he heard the crying.