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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2016, 08:52:24 AM »
@Shining may I ask was there a language communication issue when you spoke with these charity collectors?
Did you clearly understand every word of their english or was it sometimes unclear?
BTW there is a completely genuine Espiche connection.
Of the 4 men involved, one checked first that I spoke English, then summoned a man he was with.  I don't know how good/bad the first person's English was.

The other 3 I would rate as fluent, but with pronunciation typical of someone whose first language is Portuguese.  There wasn't any pause to think, grammar was good, and they were happy to wander onto unconnected topics, so it wasn't a 'script'.

The incidents were 5+ years after M so there is no reason to think there is a direct connection.  It just appears to be a standard con.
What's up, old man?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2016, 09:12:48 AM »
BTW in their obsession with charity collectors PJ and LP and SY overlook a potentially important observation at end of morgan statement. Did they ever bother asking the witness the exact location and the exact time the witness saw it open? It would only take about 10 minutes with streetview
The  Morgan statement dates to Jan 08.  The first StreetView of Luz is dated Aug 09, so that approach did not exist at the time.
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Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2016, 10:31:24 AM »
In any case i find the following of interest to the investigation ...

- Gordon CC visit at 5A related to Madeleine in space.
- Gordon CC visit at 5A related to Fenn theft attempt in space and time.
- Morgan CC visit at Casa da Aventura related to Madeleine in space and time.

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2015/07/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-iris-and.html

stephen25000

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Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2016, 10:35:52 AM »
Could someone care to explain the relevance of this thread ?

Other than a presumed attempt to tie in a mystery, false, charity worker.

Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2016, 10:52:56 AM »
I am not able to find an accident leaving orphans relating to Gail Cooper CC incident, neither in 2004 nor in 2007.

Also Rosco Foundation never had an orphanage at Barão de São João. They worked with Lagos orphanage.

http://roscofoundation.org/contact.asp

Offline jassi

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2016, 11:03:38 AM »
Could someone care to explain the relevance of this thread ?

Other than a presumed attempt to tie in a mystery, false, charity worker.

Now what's that saying? - oh yes, 'no stone left unturned' - Even if it turns out to be a total red herring.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

stephen25000

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Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2016, 11:17:50 AM »
Now what's that saying? - oh yes, 'no stone left unturned' - Even if it turns out to be a total red herring.

Or pilchard of course. 8)-)))

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2016, 11:53:58 AM »
Now what's that saying? - oh yes, 'no stone left unturned' - Even if it turns out to be a total red herring.

It's an absolute nonsense to think a burglar would make himself known to an intended victim just before he burgled them. 
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2016, 12:05:59 PM »
Could someone care to explain the relevance of this thread ?

Other than a presumed attempt to tie in a mystery, false, charity worker.

I believe the relevance of the thread may be something to do with the well publicised Operation Grange request for information which may lead to solving what happened to Madeleine McCann.

**Snip
Police probing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal say there was an "overwhelming response" to an appeal on the BBC's Crimewatch, with almost 1,000 calls and emails.

Officers suggested the 2007 case bore hallmarks of a "pre-planned abduction".

Scotland Yard said it was also looking into possible links to burglaries and bogus charity collections in the area.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24530186
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2016, 12:07:51 PM »
Financial scamming of tourists is a long way from both burglary and child stealing.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2016, 12:16:16 PM »
Financial scamming of tourists is a long way from both burglary and child stealing.

The occurrences were recorded by independent witnesses who were under no obligation to report them to the police;  the police are the agency to determine their relevance or not and how these statements may tie in with other statements and intelligence to which they are privy but we are not.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2016, 12:21:14 PM »
It's an absolute nonsense to think a burglar would make himself known to an intended victim just before he burgled them.
Quite. However, one might visit say a month or two in advance, to gain some intelligence, then return when the first visit was forgotten.

My interest in this topic is actually getting a better handle on the crime pattern in Luz in the months leading up to Madeleine's disappearance.  DCI Redwood seemed remarkably vague about the specifics.

It also appears to be relevant to ask how much local knowledge of Luz these collecters had.  If it is the case that these people were local, and into petty crime, then they might either be involved in other local crimes, or have some knowledge of those who were.

It is the paucity of accurate information in the public domain that bothers me.  We can leave this aspect to OG and hope they are better informed than we are, or we can put collective heads together to see what we come up with.

I am also interested in what possible information could have been put to the judiciary to get the 4 men of July 2014 made arguidos.  There appears to be a potential link to charity collection.  That OG info could be correct or incorrect, but it seems to have been strong enough to slap arguido on the quartet.  I believe that particular bar is set higher than it was in Amaral's day.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2016, 12:25:12 PM »
Financial scamming of tourists is a long way from both burglary and child stealing.

It is so too but carried out by folk of all makes and shapes in the right village spanning the right time so it must be connected. O.G were interested in it so presumably are still investigating chuggers and chammers nearly three years down the track which means it must be awfully complicated and far reaching.
I guess the discredited original investigation looked at it and filed it in the cylindrical filing cabinet.

Idle thought: do criminals change their " criminal occupation specialism" on spec like they change their socks as has been suggested by some?
In that case I'll follow the same line . Today I am a filing clerk tomorrow I will be brain surgeon.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline jassi

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2016, 12:30:10 PM »
It is so too but carried out by folk of all makes and shapes in the right village spanning the right time so it must be connected. O.G were interested in it so presumably are still investigating chuggers and chammers nearly three years down the track which means it must be awfully complicated and far reaching.
I guess the discredited original investigation looked at it and filed it in the cylindrical filing cabinet.

Idle thought: do criminals change their " criminal occupation specialism" on spec like they change their socks as has been suggested by some?
In that case I'll follow the same line . Today I am a filing clerk tomorrow I will be brain surgeon.

I suppose a cat burglar who develops arthritis  might have to  look for alternative employment.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

stephen25000

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Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2016, 12:31:30 PM »
I believe the relevance of the thread may be something to do with the well publicised Operation Grange request for information which may lead to solving what happened to Madeleine McCann.

**Snip
Police probing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal say there was an "overwhelming response" to an appeal on the BBC's Crimewatch, with almost 1,000 calls and emails.

Officers suggested the 2007 case bore hallmarks of a "pre-planned abduction".

Scotland Yard said it was also looking into possible links to burglaries and bogus charity collections in the area.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24530186

Or, of course, merely another red herring, Or should I say sardine, going absolutely nowhere.