The Ocean Club organised missing child procedures - who, where, when, what?

[Robittybob1]

As I see it now is that Amy had already gone over to the Tapas, working at her desk, when she heard the commotion created by Kate she was able to very quickly  enter the apartment.  Hence there is no reason she couldn't have seen the window open and the shutter up as she was one of the first in there.

Much earlier in the thread I thought she had to walk all the way from the creche, but this is not necessary if she was already over there. 
Therefore the time someone was aware a child was missing and being actively looked for is around 10 minutes prior to 10:05 for the Jacqueline gives that time, and it appears she was on foot so it would have taken around 10 minutes for that information to get from the apartment to the creche.

I submit someone was looking for "Maddy, Abby or Gabby" as early as 9:55 when IMO Kate's alarm was raised at around 10:03 plus 5 minutes = 10:08 PM.

[pathfinder73]

Nope! Amy phoned Lyndsay from the night creche and consequently she notified Emma Knight at 22:17 so Amy could not have been at apartment 5A before that time.

She indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

[Robittybob1]

Nope! Amy phoned Lyndsay from the night creche and consequently she notified Emma Knight at 22:17 so Amy could not have been at apartment 5A before that time.

She indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

Your logic seems to be missing a few steps.

When someone gets a phone call the receiver cannot tell where the caller is calling from (unless there is caller identity and it was noted in the statement) 

You said "Amy phoned Lyndsay from the night creche and consequently she notified Emma Knight at 22:17 so Amy could not have been at apartment 5A before that time.

You are just making both of those "facts" up without the slightest bit of proof.

[G-Unit]

Your logic seems to be missing a few steps.

When someone gets a phone call the receiver cannot tell where the caller is calling from (unless there is caller identity and it was noted in the statement) 

You said "Amy phoned Lyndsay from the night creche and consequently she notified Emma Knight at 22:17 so Amy could not have been at apartment 5A before that time.

You are just making both of those "facts" up without the slightest bit of proof.

You're trying to move Amy away from the night creche despite evidence to the contrary;

 remaining at the crêche with her colleagues Amy and Charlotte, until they heard about the disappearance.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

[Robittybob1]

You're trying to move Amy away from the night creche despite evidence to the contrary;

 remaining at the crêche with her colleagues Amy and Charlotte, until they heard about the disappearance.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

But the first hint of a disappearance in the file (9:20 PM was a time mentioned by Arlindo IIRC) comes much earlier than that visit by the woman picking up her child.
"Disappearance" does not equate to the "disappearance of Madeleine McCann" in my understanding of the case." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

I did a whole thread on trying to sort out Arlindo, and I'm not sure if I did.

"A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared."

[G-Unit]

But the first hint of a disappearance in the file (9:20 PM was a time mentioned by Arlindo IIRC) comes much earlier than that visit by the woman picking up her child.
"Disappearance" does not equate to the "disappearance of Madeleine McCann" in my understanding of the case." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

I did a whole thread on trying to sort out Arlindo, and I'm not sure if I did.

"A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared."

Nevertheless you are saying that Amy wasn't where her colleague said she was at the time given by her colleague Jacqueline. Are you accusing Jacqueline of lying?

[Robittybob1]

Nevertheless you are saying that Amy wasn't where her colleague said she was at the time given by her colleague Jacqueline. Are you accusing Jacqueline of lying?

Rather than just making an accusation  how about presenting a detailed argument proving "that Amy wasn't where her colleague said she was at the time given by her colleague Jacqueline". 
Step by step rather than cutting me down so quickly please.

[Robittybob1]

Nevertheless you are saying that Amy wasn't where her colleague said she was at the time given by her colleague Jacqueline. Are you accusing Jacqueline of lying?

Any time after 9:20 when Arlindo says there was a incident involving a disappearance  there is the possibility that Amy headed over to The Tapas.  Now I think that satisfies whatever Jacqueline says but if you can show otherwise please do.

[pathfinder73]

You are spreading myths. Did any of the tapas group say that Amy was there with them when the alarm was raised? No they did not because she was at the night creche working with her colleagues Jackie and Charlotte.

[Robittybob1]

You are spreading myths. Did any of the tapas group say that Amy was there with them when the alarm was raised? No they did not because she was at the night creche working with her colleagues Jackie and Charlotte.

It might be worth reading what Kate says again with this new idea in mind.  I've never argued this before, so it needs a new look at the information.  When does Kate say there was OC employees involved?

[Robittybob1]

You are spreading myths. Did any of the tapas group say that Amy was there with them when the alarm was raised? No they did not because she was at the night creche working with her colleagues Jackie and Charlotte.

Prove that "she was at the night creche working with her colleagues Jackie and Charlotte" at anytime after 22.00.

[G-Unit]

Any time after 9:20 when Arlindo says there was a incident involving a disappearance  there is the possibility that Amy headed over to The Tapas.  Now I think that satisfies whatever Jacqueline says but if you can show otherwise please do.

That on 3rd May at about 22.05 she was working at the Mini Club, at the "dinner time period" together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

[pathfinder73]

Prove that "she was at the night creche working with her colleagues Jackie and Charlotte" at anytime after 22.00.

On the 3rd of May 2007, around 22H15, the witness was working during "dinner hour", together with her colleagues Jackie and Amy, when an unknown woman came to them indicating that she was a tourist lodged at the complex and asked them if they had heard about a disappearance of a child, whose name she referred to as "Maggie" or "Maddy";

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

That on 3rd May at about 22.05 she was working at the Mini Club, at the "dinner time period" together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy, when a female individual arrived, whose name she does not know, just that she was the mother of a child there (belonging to Toddlers 2), being a guest who was staying at the resort and who left at the end of the week, who told her that a girl called "Maddie" has disappeared, and that the girl's parents needed help in looking for her.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

[Robittybob1]

That on 3rd May at about 22.05 she was working at the Mini Club, at the "dinner time period" together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

What I can only say is that there were 3 staff "on duty"  and it might be considered that Amy was still on duty  even  if she was over at the Tapas, as long as she was contactable by phone or something like that.  Does Amy herself ever say she was aware of this woman arriving while she was there?

"That on 3rd May at about 22.05 she was working at the Mini Club, at the "dinner time period" together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy, when a female individual arrived, whose name she does not know, just that she was the mother of a child there (belonging to Toddlers 2), being a guest who was staying at the resort and who left at the end of the week, who told her that a girl called "Maddie" has disappeared, and that the girl's parents needed help in looking for her."

You can be working that shift but not actually on site.  I think that is a valid argument.

[pathfinder73]

The other two witnesses say Amy was with them.  Nuff said!