The Ocean Club organised missing child procedures - who, where, when, what?

[Robittybob1]

It's perfectly possible that she was repeating what she was told, rather than what she actually saw. Dianne was told things which she then claimed to have 'remembered'. The time the alarm was raised? It sounds like David told her that. Passing Matthew on her way to the restaurant? She 'remembered' only after David reminded her.

You tell me who would have told Amy?

[Venturi Swirl]

It's perfectly possible that she was repeating what she was told, rather than what she actually saw. Dianne was told things which she then claimed to have 'remembered'. The time the alarm was raised? It sounds like David told her that. Passing Matthew on her way to the restaurant? She 'remembered' only after David reminded her.

You’ve changed your tune, having previously stated that either she or FP were lying.  Plenty of assumptions in your post btw.

[Robittybob1]

You’ve changed your tune, having previously stated that either she [Amy Tierney] or FP were lying.  Plenty of assumptions in your post btw.

"She" being Amy Tierney I understand.

[G-Unit]

Rachael's evidence was very confusing. She and Matthew went to check on Grace almost immediately, then he went off searching and she went to tell Jane about Madeleine;

 Reply 'Okay, erm basically after Matt and I had checked on Grace, erm Matt went off to search and I went across to Jane's apartment cos she was there with Evie, erm and just told her that Madeleine had gone missing, erm and I must have known at that point that the window was open and the shutter was up, erm cos basically when I told her that....

...1578 'What time did you have the conversation with Jane on the, on the evening''
 Reply 'On the night, erm I mean it was probably about ten fifteen, twenty past ten, something like that (inaudible)'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

So it took Rachael until 22.15 to alert Jane? How did she know about the window and shutters therefore if she went from the foot of 5A's steps to her apartment and then to 5D?

[G-Unit]

You tell me who would have told Amy?

Kate seemed to be telling everyone; Dianne, Fiona, so why not Amy?

[Robittybob1]

Rachael's evidence was very confusing. She and Matthew went to check on Grace almost immediately, then he went off searching and she went to tell Jane about Madeleine;

 Reply 'Okay, erm basically after Matt and I had checked on Grace, erm Matt went off to search and I went across to Jane's apartment cos she was there with Evie, erm and just told her that Madeleine had gone missing, erm and I must have known at that point that the window was open and the shutter was up, erm cos basically when I told her that....

...1578 'What time did you have the conversation with Jane on the, on the evening''
 Reply 'On the night, erm I mean it was probably about ten fifteen, twenty past ten, something like that (inaudible)'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

So it took Rachael until 22.15 to alert Jane? How did she know about the window and shutters therefore if she went from the foot of 5A's steps to her apartment and then to 5D?

Rachael's apartment needed to be opened from the car park side first.  Therefore she would have seen the shutters up at that time.  Once it was open then it was possible to visit the other apartments via the patio side or along the  front door side of the building. 

[G-Unit]

Rachael's apartment needed to be opened from the car park side first.  Therefore she would have seen the shutters up at that time.  Once it was open then it was possible to visit the other apartments via the patio side or along the  front door side of the building.

It seems she spoke to Kate before she went to see Jane.

Immediately, all of the group, except DIANE, stood up heading for the apartments, and the witness went to see if her daughter was well. Soon after, the men of the group started to do a search around the apartments in an attempt to find the child, at which time KATE said that the window blinds of MADELEINE's bedroom were open and, as such, she had been taken by someone.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-11-MAY07.htm

[Robittybob1]

It seems she spoke to Kate before she went to see Jane.

Immediately, all of the group, except DIANE, stood up heading for the apartments, and the witness went to see if her daughter was well. Soon after, the men of the group started to do a search around the apartments in an attempt to find the child, at which time KATE said that the window blinds of MADELEINE's bedroom were open and, as such, she had been taken by someone.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-11-MAY07.htm

They may have transited through the McCann's apartment first for Kate says she searched the car park on returning with the Tapas friends.  If they were on that side of the building Kate could have easily pointed out the raised shutter to Rachael.

[G-Unit]

They may have transited through the McCann's apartment first for Kate says she searched the car park on returning with the Tapas friends.  If they were on that side of the building Kate could have easily pointed out the raised shutter to Rachael.

I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment, we were, because it was just so awful, so Gerry and Kate and maybe Dave, I'm not sure, but went sort of to the bottom of the steps and they sort of went in, erm, and as soon as they sort of said, you know, she's gone and everything, all hell broke loose, we went round to check firstly on Grace to make sure she was okay and we dropped Rachael up there, telling her that she wasn't to move,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[barrier]

I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment, we were, because it was just so awful, so Gerry and Kate and maybe Dave, I'm not sure, but went sort of to the bottom of the steps and they sort of went in, erm, and as soon as they sort of said, you know, she's gone and everything, all hell broke loose, we went round to check firstly on Grace to make sure she was okay and we dropped Rachael up there, telling her that she wasn't to move,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Being almost 100% sure is good enough for some,but when Rowley says that they are almost certain Tannerman was no abductor there is room for doubt,tis strange.

[Robittybob1]

I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment, we were, because it was just so awful, so Gerry and Kate and maybe Dave, I'm not sure, but went sort of to the bottom of the steps and they sort of went in, erm, and as soon as they sort of said, you know, she's gone and everything, all hell broke loose, we went round to check firstly on Grace to make sure she was okay and we dropped Rachael up there, telling her that she wasn't to move,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

OK so they went around the back along the footpath.

[Robittybob1]

Being almost 100% sure is good enough for some,but when Rowley says that they are almost certain Tannerman was no abductor there is room for doubt,tis strange.

In this case it makes no realistic difference.  But if they did go through  the apartment you'd think they would have noticed the shutters up, but less likely if they went around the footpath IMO.

[jassi]

OK so they went around the back along the footpath.

Do you mean they went in through the main entrance to the apartments?

[Robittybob1]

Do you mean they went in through the main entrance to the apartments?

Yes Amy called it the back, some call it the front, but main entrance will do.

[Sunny]

I am not sure if this helps but I have Amy searching the gardens around 10.30pm.  This is Leanne Wagstaff's statement.  She was with two colleagues Kirsty and Sara. There statements are below too.

On the night of the disappearance she was not working and had gone to a bar with colleagues. When she was heading for the bar from home at about 22.30 she saw her colleague Amy in the garden with a torch, searching for something.

She immediately asked what was happening and was told that a girl had disappeared. At first she thought it was a joke, but then she also began to search. She say that she searched everywhere.


She adds that there is a procedure in case a child goes missing, that they complied with this procedure, which indicated the areas that should be searched in order to find the child.

When asked, she says that she does not know at what moment the police (GNR) were called, but she remembers that when she returned from searching the GNR had arrived.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEANNE-DANIELLE-WAGSTAFF.htm

Leanne was with Sara Williamson.  This is Sara's statement

On 3rd May at about 22.30 after having left the apartment where she was living, near to the resort, together with two of her colleagues, Leanne and Kirsty, she met her colleague Amy. She was informed by Amy that Madeleine had disappeared and that she was trying to look for her. For this reason, the witness together with her colleagues joined in the search.

In the search carried out with her colleagues from the OC other individuals (tourists, locals, property owners) also participated.

Later, she cannot say exactly at what time but thinks it was about midnight she noticed officers from the public authorities (police) at the scene taking the appropriate measures for this kind of situation.

When asked, she says that the searches undertaken by OC employees finished at around 04.00 on 4th May with negative results.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SARA-ELIZABETH-WILLIAMSON.htm

And finally Kirsty Maryan

That on the 03 of May, 200, at around 22h30, after having left the apartment where she is living, close to the establishment mentioned, together with two more colleagues, also residents there, whose name are Leanne and Sarah, she found her colleague Amy. That during their discussion she was informed that Madeleine McCann had disappeared and that they were looking for her. For this reason, together with her colleagues, they also began searching for Madeleine McCann;
. That during the search she carried out, together with her colleagues (employees of the Ocean Club) others were also participating from the establishment ion question;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KIRSTY-MARYAN.htm