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Would it be an interesting useful idea to revisit moderation? Just an idea
When all are in the midst of a discussion and suddenly posts here and there disappear, should there not be, as there is on other forums, a note aganst a deleted or moderated post with reasons....
Shouldnt be an issue because there are clear rules and if posters are told exactly ehat is wring n their posts might help?
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Would it be an interesting useful idea to revisit moderation? Just an idea
When all are in the midst of a discussion and suddenly posts here and there disappear, should there not be, as there is on other forums, a note aganst a deleted or moderated post with reasons....
Shouldnt be an issue because there are clear rules and if posters are told exactly ehat is wring n their posts might help?
An impossible task given the number of posts at times.
Everyone knows the rules by now, post off topic and you risk them being removed or moved to another thread. We have to run a tight ship otherwise chaos would prevail. That said however, we are always looking for ways to improve the forum and its moderation so thank you for the suggestion.
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How about when receiving a warning for x transgression but given no details of the post that was objectionable from an unsigned and unanswerable pm? One might be scratching ones head thnking.
At least please include a post quote?
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How about when receiving a warning for x transgression but given no details of the post that was objectionable from an unsigned and unanswerable pm? One might be scratching ones head thnking.
At least please include a post quote?
I have revisited this issue several times mercury but there isn't a simple solution. I have found that it is better to remove an offending post completely rather than replace its content with a mod comment.
When issuing a warning, a moderator can link to any offending post by clicking on the little orange triangle with a white exclamation mark within it positioned beside the "report to moderator" tag. Note: Only moderators, editors and staff members can see this orange triangle. It could be that new moderators are not aware of this, there is a brief note about it on the forum but could very easily be missed. I will issue a note to all editing staff immediately about this.
The downside however is that posts which are deleted cannot be linked to.
Hopefully, this should sort things out.
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Thanks for that John. The warning was about goading and seeing as goading can be seen by bogh posters and obviously mods in different ways , along with no info, left me with no clue where to remedy my ways.
I would like to say I look forward to seeing your reminder to staff implemented but hopefully wont need to.
8)--))
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Oh well, seems guidance to staff has failed in one case at least..fact remains if I dont know what they are referring to.....and we know for a fact it happens that a mod deletes "just because they can" as happened go me yesterday when all i posted d was a DATE in response to a question from someone asking for a DATE of a said event
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I have revisited this issue several times mercury but there isn't a simple solution. I have found that it is better to remove an offending post completely rather than replace its content with a mod comment.
When issuing a warning, a moderator can link to any offending post by clicking on the little orange triangle with a white exclamation mark within it positioned beside the "report to moderator" tag. Note: Only moderators, editors and staff members can see this orange triangle. It could be that new moderators are not aware of this, there is a brief note about it on the forum but could very easily be missed. I will issue a note to all editing staff immediately about this.
The downside however is that posts which are deleted cannot be linked to.
Hopefully, this should sort things out.
Its not quite all ok because when recieving a warning like i just did, i still dont know what comment it related to as the link to the thread was dud when i clicked it it said
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?msg=340214
mercury,
You have received a warning for inappropriate name calling. Please desist immediately.
Re: So what actual searching was there?
Regards,
The UK Justice Forum Team.
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Its not quite all ok because when recieving a warning like i just did, i still dont know what comment it related to as the link to the thread was dud when i clicked it it said
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?msg=340214
mercury,
You have received a warning for inappropriate name calling. Please desist immediately.
Re: So what actual searching was there?
Regards,
The UK Justice Forum Team.
You appear to have no conception of what you do. Try thinking about it.
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I would like to make a suggestion for moderation. In my opinion warning points are sometimes used as the ultimate goad by moderators on the losing end of an argument or simply because they dislike the poster they are awarding points to. My suggestion is that only moderators who are not involved in the argument or who are not on the “opposing team” may be permitted to award points against a forum member. Just an idea....
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I would like to make a suggestion for moderation. In my opinion warning points are sometimes used as the ultimate goad by moderators on the losing end of an argument or simply because they dislike the poster they are awarding points to. My suggestion is that only moderators who are not involved in the argument or who are not on the “opposing team” may be permitted to award points against a forum member. Just an idea....
First of all any moderator who uses their position as you allege should lose their moderator priviledges. Secondly, in my opinion, this is attempt by you to continue the argument you were pursuing on another thread.
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First of all any moderator who uses their position as you allege should lose their moderator priviledges. Secondly, in my opinion, this is attempt by you to continue the argument you were pursuing on another thread.
This is an attempt by me to instill some even-handed moderation and to suggest that moderators shouldn't abuse their positions of power to settle scores or silence the opposition. I think my suggestion is a fair one. Clearly I won the argument you refer to because your posts have been removed for being off topic just as I said they were (though I received points for having the temerity to point this out!)
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This is an attempt by me to instill some even-handed moderation and to suggest that moderators shouldn't abuse their positions of power to settle scores or silence the opposition. I think my suggestion is a fair one. Clearly I won the argument you refer to because your posts have been removed for being off topic just as I said they were (though I received points for having the temerity to point this out!)
I think your suggestion will lead to more complaints, not less.
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First of all any moderator who uses their position as you allege should lose their moderator priviledges. Secondly, in my opinion, this is attempt by you to continue the argument you were pursuing on another thread.
perhasp you should have a look at the posters you have moderated and see is it represents an even representation of the forum...I can guarantee it wont which confirnms your bias
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I think your suggestion will lead to more complaints, not less.
Why do you think that?
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perhasp you should have a look at the posters you have moderated and see is it represents an even representation of the forum...I can guarantee it wont which confirnms your bias
I moderate any poster who breaks the rules, I don't moderate according to which 'team' they represent. This is checkable, although not by you. The deviding line on this board isn't between 'opposing teams', imo, it's between those who enjoy debating and those who enjoy quarrelling.
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First of all any moderator who uses their position as you allege should lose their moderator priviledges. Secondly, in my opinion, this is attempt by you to continue the argument you were pursuing on another thread.
Agree and agree. Nobody likes being moderated and especially so if the person landed with the task is taking part in the discussion. As far as I am concerned my fellow mods would never use their position to upstage an opposing viewpoint.
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Agree and agree. Nobody likes being moderated and especially so if the person landed with the task is taking part in the discussion. As far as I am concerned my fellow mods would never use their position to upstage an opposing viewpoint.
you and your fellow mods continually post opinion as fact and fail to give cites...gunit tonight has failed to give a cite and you have both failed to moderate faith for the same because you share her viewpoint
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I moderate any poster who breaks the rules, I don't moderate according to which 'team' they represent. This is checkable, although not by you. The deviding line on this board isn't between 'opposing teams', imo, it's between those who enjoy debating and those who enjoy quarrelling.
You didn’t remove Faithlilly’s claim that Kate didn’t answer any questions about the disappearance despite the fact that it is a patently false statement, designed to mislead any passing reader of the forum. Why not?
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Hey folks, join me in a celebration of my big 5-0! Yep, 50 warnings since joining, here's to the next 50.
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Hey folks, join me in a celebration of my big 5-0! Yep, 50 warnings since joining, here's to the next 50.
You're up to 59 now. You might get your wish.
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You're up to 59 now. You might get your wish.
I now view them as medals, it’s one way to deal with the unfairness (as I perceive it) of the system- turn a negative into a positive.
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I now view them as medals, it’s one way to deal with the unfairness (as I perceive it) of the system- turn a negative into a positive.
That's like a burglar being proud of how many times he's been caught and punished. @)(++(*
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That's like a burglar being proud of how many times he's been caught and punished. @)(++(*
Or a way to deal with bias.
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I now view them as medals, it’s one way to deal with the unfairness (as I perceive it) of the system- turn a negative into a positive.
You're sailing very close to the wind.
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You're sailing very close to the wind.
So are a lot of other people.
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Or a way to deal with bias.
Bias isn't an acceptable reason for sanctioning a member. In order for a moderator to issue a sanction Forum rules have to be shown to have been breached. Otherwise the decision can and will be reversed on appeal.
Breaking Forum rules and then claiming bias by moderators is not going to work, as has been demonstrated. Refraining from breaking the rules is the only way to avoid sanctions in my opinion.
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You're sailing very close to the wind.
I love sailing, the windier the better.
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That's like a burglar being proud of how many times he's been caught and punished. @)(++(*
Except "being nadty (sic) to Wonderfulspam" (one of my warnings) isn't a criminal offence - yet....
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Bias isn't an acceptable reason for sanctioning a member. In order for a moderator to issue a sanction Forum rules have to be shown to have been breached. Otherwise the decision can and will be reversed on appeal.
Breaking Forum rules and then claiming bias by moderators is not going to work, as has been demonstrated. Refraining from breaking the rules is the only way to avoid sanctions in my opinion.
Are there any Sceptics with this number of Warnings? All as white as the driven snow are they?
I never have understood this penchant for awarding Warning Points when a Deletion is often quite enough.
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Bias isn't an acceptable reason for sanctioning a member. In order for a moderator to issue a sanction Forum rules have to be shown to have been breached. Otherwise the decision can and will be reversed on appeal.
Breaking Forum rules and then claiming bias by moderators is not going to work, as has been demonstrated. Refraining from breaking the rules is the only way to avoid sanctions in my opinion.
The problem is - inconsistency as witnessed by the recent debacle over the slurring (aka libelling) of a perfectly innocent man, with accusations that he was a hustler, a liar who made money out of selling lies to the tabloids. You refused to condemn this, repeatedly. Points were eventually awarded to the culprit, which were then removed on appeal - why? If you can't explain this then you can't expect anyone to take the rules or the punishments seriously. No doubt this home truth will win me another warning or even a ban, it's worth it to highlight the issue though IMO.
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Are there any Sceptics with this number of Warnings? All as white as the driven snow are they?
I never have understood this penchant for awarding Warning Points when a Deletion is often quite enough.
In case you hadn't realised, warnings are a precursor to a moderation ban.
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Hey folks, join me in a celebration of my big 5-0! Yep, 50 warnings since joining, here's to the next 50.
You're on 63 at the moment. You do realise that there are consequences at this level?
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The problem is - inconsistency as witnessed by the recent debacle over the slurring (aka libelling) of a perfectly innocent man, with accusations that he was a hustler, a liar who made money out of selling lies to the tabloids. You refused to condemn this, repeatedly. Points were eventually awarded to the culprit, which were then removed on appeal - why? If you can't explain this then you can't expect anyone to take the rules or the punishments seriously. No doubt this home truth will win me another warning or even a ban, it's worth it to highlight the issue though IMO.
Doing his civic duty was he?
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You're on 63 at the moment. You do realise that there are consequences at this level?
63?? More than I had realised. Time for a permanent ban surely?
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Doing his civic duty was he?
Who knows what he was doing, but unless you have actual evidence that he is a hustler, who was paid money to lie to the tabloids, saying so is without evidence to back up your claims is libellous. Which part of that do you not actually understand?
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In case you hadn't realised, warnings are a precursor to a moderation ban.
I realise a lot more than you think I do and I don't like what I am seeing. There are vendettas going on, although I feel powerless to do anything about it. Which is why I largely do nothing.
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You're on 63 at the moment. You do realise that there are consequences at this level?
What consequences? This is an Internet Forum and not a Court of Law. Ban people if you think it will help.
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What consequences? This is an Internet Forum and not a Court of Law. Ban people if you think it will help.
Could you perhaps publish a league table of the worst transgressors? I'd like to know my league position. I'm hoping it's top 5.
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Who knows what he was doing, but unless you have actual evidence that he is a hustler, who was paid money to lie to the tabloids, saying so is without evidence to back up your claims is libellous. Which part of that do you not actually understand?
So he sold his lies out of the goodness of his heart?
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Could you perhaps publish a league table of the worst transgressors? I'd like to know my league position. I'm hoping it's top 5.
You really don't know when to stop...do you?
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Is this a Thread to air concerns or should this be subject to Warning Points as well?
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Could you perhaps publish a league table of the worst transgressors? I'd like to know my league position. I'm hoping it's top 5.
The lead offender is currently on 129 warnings so I'm afraid you have some way to go.
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So he sold his lies out of the goodness of his heart?
What lies are you talking about? You do realise you are perpetuating the libel don't you?
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The lead offender is currently on 129 warnings so I'm afraid you have some way to go.
Why hasn't he or she been banned then?
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Why hasn't he or she been banned then?
It's coming.
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You really don't know when to stop...do you?
No, I believe in the freedom of expression under Article 10 of the European Human Rights Act. Unless I am committing hate speech or libelling a perfectly innocent person I don't see why I should be made to shut up, though I suspect you are just about to stamp on my yuman rights and issue me with a humungous penalty. 8)--))
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It's coming.
When? Is 130 warnings the limit? I think we need some clarity on this....
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The problem is - inconsistency as witnessed by the recent debacle over the slurring (aka libelling) of a perfectly innocent man, with accusations that he was a hustler, a liar who made money out of selling lies to the tabloids. You refused to condemn this, repeatedly. Points were eventually awarded to the culprit, which were then removed on appeal - why? If you can't explain this then you can't expect anyone to take the rules or the punishments seriously. No doubt this home truth will win me another warning or even a ban, it's worth it to highlight the issue though IMO.
If I were you I would concentrate on my own behaviour, which doesn't seem to be very good.
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If I were you I would concentrate on my own behaviour, which doesn't seem to be very good.
As this thread and this part of the forum is about moderation I think concentrating on moderating decisions and how they are arrived at is perfectly on topic and relevant.
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Are there any Sceptics with this number of Warnings? All as white as the driven snow are they?
I never have understood this penchant for awarding Warning Points when a Deletion is often quite enough.
Can't you, as a Senior Moderator, answer that question yourself? I think if you look you'll find sceptics with many more warnings than VS.
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As this thread and this part of the forum is about moderation I think concentrating on moderating decisions and how they are arrived at is perfectly on topic and relevant.
Even if another member made a post which, in your opinion, broke forum rules, it can't be used as an excuse for you or anyone else to ignore forum rules. That, imo, is what you are proposing.
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As this thread and this part of the forum is about moderation I think concentrating on moderating decisions and how they are arrived at is perfectly on topic and relevant.
Blatant disruption and criticism of this forum will always have consequences.
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Even if another member made a post which, in your opinion, broke forum rules, it can't be used as an excuse for you or anyone else to ignore forum rules. That, imo, is what you are proposing.
No it is not. I am proposing simply that if we must have rules that punishments are not applied arbitrarily depending on forum allegiances but apply to all. The post I am referring to is a perfect example of a Mod turning a blind eye to a clear forum infringement, and when a warning was eventually issued it was then (mystifyingly IMO) rescinded. This indicates to me some confusion as to what the rules are and how they should be administered at mod level. How on earth do you expect people to keep to forum rules when there is such a lack of clarity wrt to the most serious infringement of all (ie: libel (aka slurs))? We have been told it is not acceptable to accuse another named person of lying or of committing serious crimes and yet there are so many examples of it throughout the forum that have gone unpunished and which have been allowed to remain on the forum it's baffling. I read one yesterday on here which clearly accuses by name the brother of a murder victim of committing the crime. It's been on the forum for years. Is this permitted or not?
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Blatant disruption and criticism of this forum will always have consequences.
What am I disrupting exactly? A thread entitled "suggestion for moderation" - I am suggesting clarity and consistency, is that so very trollish of me?
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It's coming.
A way to go then.
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Can't you, as a Senior Moderator, answer that question yourself? I think if you look you'll find sceptics with many more warnings than VS.
I am only interested in the apparent passion for awarding Warning Points when I so very rarely do so. That to me is being a responsible Senior Moderator when a Deletion will suffice
We are here to keep this Board running smoothly and not to act like Dictators. Something that took me some time to learn, although I hope that I never act with malice.
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This Forum is yet again becoming a very unpleasant place to be and losing Posters regularly.
Even I no longer know what is acceptable and what isn't, so I always afford the benefit of the doubt. Some others should do the same. It is so often a matter of opinion anyway.
There is no autonomy given to Moderators, Senior or otherwise and John has to and does decide in the end. I had hoped to make John's life a bit more easy, but that was a presumption on my part and I am no longer prepared to do this and then have my decisions over ruled.
I have been doing this "Job" for more than seven years and I have learned such a lot, mainly about myself.
Junior Moderators could do well to think on this and come back to me in five years time.
This Forum isn't a Democracy, but then neither is it a Dictatorship.
Lose it at your peril.
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Anyone posting on here who is Pro Luke and his innocence is told they are wrong no matter what. Others who believe him to be guilty can post anything they choose, however ridiculous and its accepted as a FACT. funny that...
That is simply not true jixy. You have been a member here long enough to know that every viewpoint is welcome here. Could it be that the weight of opinion is not in Luke Mitchell's favour and that most people see his crime as being despicable?
I understand what it is like to be the underdog in any debate but you can be rest assured that you have my support in any case you wish to put forward.
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That is simply not true jixy. You have been a member here long enough to know that every viewpoint is welcome here. Could it be that the weight of opinion is not in Luke Mitchell's favour and that most people see his crime as being despicable?
I understand what it is like to be the underdog in any debate but you can be rest assured that you have my support in any case you wish to put forward.
Yes I have been on the forum a long time hence my post. Most new members are attacked and interrogated on joining. That hasn't changed over the years either
Things get personal very quickly but only in the direction of people who offer anything positive to the case
The threads go off topic to include many things that are personal long running issues with person responding and others not even being discussed.
I am reading many points on many different platforms to see a balanced view
I have also seem comments about posting on here which aren't favourable. This isn't just my opinion
Maybe with some new genuine members we all may learn something new about Lukes case and many others
That remains to be seen
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Yes I have been on the forum a long time hence my post. Most new members are attacked and interrogated on joining. That hasn't changed over the years either
Things get personal very quickly but only in the direction of people who offer anything positive to the case
The threads go off topic to include many things that are personal long running issues with person responding and others not even being discussed.
I am reading many points on many different platforms to see a balanced view
I have also seem comments about posting on here which aren't favourable. This isn't just my opinion
Maybe with some new genuine members we all may learn something new about Lukes case and many others
That remains to be seen
This post is Off Topic and would be better posted in the thread set aside to discuss such matters - http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6834.msg290845#msg290845 - or in a new one if you wish to open one.
Perhaps straying outwith forum protocols such as this and others might explain why your posts are subject to moderation.
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This post is Off Topic and would be better posted in the thread set aside to discuss such matters - http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6834.msg290845#msg290845 - or in a new one if you wish to open one.
Perhaps straying outwith forum protocols such as this and others might explain why your posts are subject to moderation.
I think if you look at the forum today you will see why...I was replying to John. Where am I expected to write it?
The only comments of mine that were moderated is when I said the case against Corrine was dropped
Now that is the reason it was moderated
But comments about having sex with a corpse remain. That has NOTHING to do with the topic and quite disgusting remain
No wonder this forum has earned the reputation it has
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But comments about having sex with a corpse remain. That has NOTHING to do with the topic and quite disgusting remain
So why are people like Sandra Lean still appearing to show public support to a man who deemed this acceptable Jixy?
She didn’t appear ‘perturbed’ about the Billy Middleton incident either if I recall and went into partnership with him in the wrongly accused person org not long after