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[jassi]

You have admitted that OC made the assumption the parents leaving children unattended would deadlock the kids in the rooms.  If that is their assumption did they make that a rule?

I made no such claim about doors being deadlocked.

[Robittybob1]

Correction. I don't recall making any claim about doors being deadocked.

My opinion was that the company would assume that parents were looking after their children properly.

This is what was said:
Rob: "Maybe the OC assumed that the parents would always deadlock the doors and hence never have wandering kids."

Jassi: "A perfectly reasonable conclusion to reach -IMO."

Did OC assume that the parents deadlocked the doors if kids are left in the rooms?

[Robittybob1]

I made no such claim about doors being deadlocked.

You said it was "a perfectly reasonable conclusion to reach".

[ShiningInLuz]

That is right, was it left open was it left closed but unlocked, was it locked at times?  If it was closed and unlocked would a 3-4 year old be able to turn the handle, or open it however it was to be opened. 
It was Jassi's opinion that was their assumption.

OK.  Just a clarification.

Every cafe/restaurant/bar in Portugal is obliged by law to publish its opening hours.  Typically that permit goes on the front door.

The Tapas was working during its opening hours.  It was accessible by members of the public.  The doors are simple glass doors, secured by a metal key in a bog standard lock.

[jassi]

This is what was said:
Rob: "Maybe the OC assumed that the parents would always deadlock the doors and hence never have wandering kids."

Jassi: "A perfectly reasonable conclusion to reach -IMO."

Did OC assume that the parents deadlocked the doors if kids are left in the rooms?

My response was to the bit about children wandering., not deadlocking of doors, though I agree it was included in the quote.

I don't think the company would want small children wandering unaccompanied into the Tapas area, on safety grounds.

[Carana]

None of the victims families bothered to approach the press & give warning to other families that a nocturnal nasty was at large & being ignored in the Algarve.

You'd be forgiven for thinking that this smelly, pot bellied, surgical masked, serial rogue intruder didn't actually exist.

I've seen more evidence of the existence of Father Christmas to be fair.

If your kid had been sexually assaulted would you go to the media and have every tabloid on your doorstep?

[Robittybob1]

OK.  Just a clarification.

Every cafe/restaurant/bar in Portugal is obliged by law to publish its opening hours.  Typically that permit goes on the front door.

The Tapas was working during its opening hours.  It was accessible by members of the public.  The doors are simple glass doors, secured by a metal key in a bog standard lock.

Quite often there is a disclaimer:
"Rights of admission are reserved by the management"  There are hours of business but management can close the doors at anytime they desire.

Look all I want to know is if the management decided to close the door how would a 3- 4 year old get through?

[Robittybob1]

My response was to the bit about children wandering., not deadlocking of doors, though I agree it was included in the quote.

I don't think the company would want small children wandering unaccompanied into the Tapas area, on safety grounds.

Well the kids left in the apartments have the possibility of wandering unless they are deadlocked into the rooms.
How would the OC stop the kids coming over to the Tapas area looking for their parents?

[jassi]

Well the kids left in the apartments have the possibility of wandering unless they are deadlocked into the rooms.
How would the OC stop the kids coming over to the Tapas area looking for their parents?

That was the responsibility of the parents, not the company. IMO

The company provided child care facilities for those who wished to avail themselves of it.

[Robittybob1]

That was the responsibility of the parents, not the company. IMO

They took the block booking from the Tapas 9 for several days in a row, knowing that the kids were being left on their own.  I think there is a point where the company has to say "that is enough, we like your business but you need to look after the kids better".

[jassi]

They took the block booking from the Tapas 9 for several days in a row, knowing that the kids were being left on their own.  I think there is a point where the company has to say "that is enough, we like your business but you need to look after the kids better".

Are you suggesting that OC should have taken some firm action, such as refused to serve them, or perhaps ejected them from their facilities ?

[ShiningInLuz]

If your kid had been sexually assaulted would you go to the media and have every tabloid on your doorstep?

I am aware of 2 newspapers located in the Algarve.

If you have more, that would be most interesting.

[G-Unit]

I fully understand that but once Kate decides to tell Madeleine where she could find her parents, that only makes sense if Kate thought the door at the secondary reception would remain open while they were dining.

I have seen no evidence that Kate told Madeleine where she could find her parents.

[ShiningInLuz]

Quite often there is a disclaimer:
"Rights of admission are reserved by the management"  There are hours of business but management can close the doors at anytime they desire.

Look all I want to know is if the management decided to close the door how would a 3- 4 year old get through?

Sorry, pure and utter speculation.   

[G-Unit]

Well the kids left in the apartments have the possibility of wandering unless they are deadlocked into the rooms.
How would the OC stop the kids coming over to the Tapas area looking for their parents?

The OC would assume, like most sane people, that small children were in the care of an adult.