Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

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LGC Forensics...

Now they employ:

LGC employs 1,800 staff in 22 countries.

OMG:.... This is amazing.. I found Job vacancies at LGC Forensics:

I Think I've found Beyoncy????????

http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/LGC-Limited/jobs/Weekend-Only-Entry-Level-Submission-Officer-42318052966c0d2e?q=Lgc

WEEKENDS ONLY Entry level Submissions Officer - Forensic Examination
LGC Limited - Teddington
Part-time
Job Purpose

To receive, return, transfer items submitted for forensic examination in line with company standard operating procedures with full training .

Key Responsibilities and Accountabilities

Coordinate the receipt, return and transfer of items submitted for forensic examination, ensuring chain of custody and item integrity is held throughout the case life at LGC Forensics in line with Standard Operating Procedures (SOP’s).
Analyse details provided by the customer to identify which discipline and location cases should be managed by in line with SOP’s.
Report cases of compromised items/cases as detailed in laboratory SOP’s
Prioritise submissions depending on urgency and length of TRT to support operations in timely examination and reporting.
Ensure safe handling of hazardous and sensitive items including those covered by the Human Tissue Act and Firearms Licensing.
Complete environmental monitoring/anti contamination procedures in line with good laboratory practice and maintain records for compliance
Proactively complete general office duties
Role Dimensions

Proactively work as part of the local and national submissions team.
Make decisions within Standard Operating Procedures and company policies.
Ensure quality processes are followed.
Uphold good customer relationships
Behaviours

Accountability

Attention to detail Ability to work effectively in a team and individually

Openness to change
Customer focused, with good communication skills
Integrity
Knowledge, Experience and Technical Skills Required Knowledge, Experience and Technical Skills

Preferred Knowledge, Experience and Technical Skills

Previous experience of working in a busy office environment dealing with Customers face to face, electronically and by phone
Basic knowledge of the Criminal Justice System and the work that LGC Forensics undertake

http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/LGC-Limited/jobs/System-Data-Analyst-feeeaddcffba771e?q=Lgc

WEEKENDS ONLY Entry level Submissions Officer - Forensic Examination...
So No degree then...

Is this why things get turned round in 48 hours??? only on a weekend?????

This is what requirements are ..
Preferred Knowledge, Experience and Technical Skills

Previous experience of working in a busy office environment dealing with Customers face to face, electronically and by phone
Basic knowledge of the Criminal Justice System and the work that LGC Forensics undertake:

What's a basic Knowledge of the Criminal Justice system when it's at home?????
Are they actually gonna be doing Forensic Examinations???

It's that being good on the telephone, that's the clincher!!

Coordinate the receipt, return and transfer of items submitted for forensic examination, ensuring chain of custody and item integrity is held throughout the case life at LGC Forensics in line with Standard Operating Procedures (SOP’s).

So your allowed to handle sensitive items, that may lead to the conviction of a Man/woman...

But they"re happy that you can answer the phone....... A good telephone manner has stopped many a convict being sent to prison...

Coordinate the receipt, return and transfer of items submitted for forensic examination, ensuring chain of custody and item integrity is held throughout the case life

Does this mean Beyoncey gets to handle sensitive Forensic items??????

See... I did say my son was a Micro Biologist..... ( No Qualifications... but hey ho ...)

System Data Analyst
LGC Limited - Teddington
LGC Standards is the market leader in a fast growing segment of the global life science tools market and is poised for an exciting new phase of growth following recent significant investments in people, physical and technology infrastructure. The culture of the business is entrepreneurial – it is open, collaborative, embraces change, works at pace and is driven to solve complex problems and challenges in unique and innovative ways. With an ambition to become a leading global life sciences tools platform, LGC Standards offers a stimulating and challenging environment for those looking to join a successful business that recognises and rewards outstanding contribution.

Job purpose to:

The successful applicant will be will be responsible for creating, maintaining and monitoring parts data. The post holder may be expected to assist with Data Collection from external suppliers and internal customers.

Key accountabilities

Managing, creating and maintaining parts data,
Supporting internal customers on parts data enquiries and reports,
Develop and implement processes to support a more consistent global mass upload across the portfolio,
Managing data upload across all sites,
Ensuring correlation and alignment between data in IFS and Agility,
Work in collaboration with data analysts, the Technical team and Product and Sales Managers to ensure data quality and on-time service,
Perform data cleansing activities as per schedule,
Ensure that all work is carried out in accordance with defined company procedures.
Candidate specification:

Demonstrated ability to work a part of a team and independently
Ability to learn complex databases
Excellent communication skills, both oral and written
Understanding of Internal customer requirements and expectations
Demonstrated ability to communicate effectively with technical and non-technical personnel
Demonstrated ability to work effectively on multiple assignments concurrently and to reprioritise work quickly to meet changing demands
Fluent in English, ability to speak and write in German, French is an advantage
Required knowledge, experience and technical skills

Degree level qualification or relevant professional qualification in IT is preferred
Proven quantitative data analysis skills (in particular large databases)
Excellent knowledge of IFS(Mandatory) and Agility
Understanding of various analytical approaches and data models
Proven experience on data migration, parts and pricing module in IFS
Proven project management experience
Experience using advanced excel, power point and Microsoft Visio
Potential of developing into enterprise data management function
Essential competencies and behaviours

Good attention to detail, well organised, innovative
Ability to work independently whilst responsive to direction when necessary

A degree preferred???? Do these people handle sensitive Computer Data??????

Now the next post has to be my favourite:

The important Role of...Forensic Science Examiner :
Note.... NOT SCIENTIST....

http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/LGC-Limited/jobs/Forensic-Science-Examiner-2a91f3de055ae729?q=Lgc

Forensic Science Examiner
LGC Limited - Teddington
LGC Forensics is the largest privately owned forensic science service provider in the UK. Serving the police and crime enforcement agencies, we also have an increasing number of private sector clients. We offer a comprehensive range of forensic science services, based on an extensive range of techniques. Our scientists use the latest innovations - often developed in-house - to establish the facts of cases under investigation.

The Toxicology team is responsible for the analysis of body fluids and other biological material for alcohol, drugs and poisons in a wide range of criminal cases. Offence types encountered include affray, sexual assault, causing death by dangerous driving, homicide and sudden death. The team also undertakes analyses for H M Coroner in the investigation into the cause of death. We are looking for a Forensic Science Practitioner (Non-Reporting) to join our dedicated team.

Job purpose to:

Examiners are responsible for the routine analyses of casework items and general housekeeping duties and work under the direction of a reporting scientist or senior scientist.

Key accountabilities

Analysis of casework samples using immunoassay techniques, GCFID, GC-MS, GC-QQQ, LC and LC-MS
Ensuring analytical data conforms to quality standards
Routine maintenance of laboratory systems and equipment
Calibration of equipment
Maintain the cleanliness and stocks of the laboratories and follow stringent anti contamination procedures
Input some data onto an internal case management system
Candidate specification:

Appropriate scientific qualification, usually to degree level or equivalent.
Required knowledge, experience and technical skills

Previous experience in sample preparation techniques e.g. L/L, SPE.
Previous experience in GC-MS, GC-QQQ or LC-MS using Chemstation, Masshunter or Analyst software.
IT literate including Word, Excel and Outlook.
Essential competencies and behaviours

Full commitment to and demonstration of upholding LGC values, respect, brilliance, passion, curiosity, integrity.
Good attention to detail, well organised, innovative.
Ability to work independently whilst responsive to direction when necessary.
Ability to cope under pressure, multitask and work to deadlines.
Strong team player.
Effective communicator.

Appropriate scientific qualification, usually to degree level or equivalent.

Well..... where are the PHD's

What is usually to degree level..... So we're not insisting on a degree in Forensic Science then???
No degrees in chemistry??
No degrees in Biology????

What....

See I told you any Tom Dick or Harry can say they do Forensics...

Remember these people

LGC Forensics is the largest privately owned forensic science service provider in the UK. Serving the police and crime enforcement agencies

The Toxicology team is responsible for the analysis of body fluids and other biological material for alcohol, drugs and poisons in a wide range of criminal cases. Offence types encountered include affray, sexual assault, causing death by dangerous driving, homicide and sudden death.

Yer... that reminds me... they worked on the Joanna Yeates Case!!!!!!!

Back to Lyndsey Lennons quote:

It started as a missing person inquiry on December 18, 2010, says Lindsey Lennen, a body fluids and DNA specialist (who, like many forensic scientists, says the work is "all I ever wanted to do"). The team started by examining items from Joanna's home, looking for foreign DNA. Then on Christmas Day, Yeates was found dead, on a country road.

Ah... Lindsey Lennen is a Body fluids and DNA Specialist..... But Is she a Forensic Scientist?????

Analysis of casework samples using immunoassay techniques, GCFID, GC-MS, GC-QQQ, LC and LC-MS

It says they need to use these techniques, but do they have an understanding of these techniques???

Appropriate scientific qualification, usually to degree level or equivalent.
Required knowledge, experience and technical skills

What is an appropriate Scentific Qualification???? What does that even mean????

Here are 10 types of Scientist:

http://sciencecouncil.org/about-us/10-types-of-scientist/

Business scientist..... Communicator scientist.... Developer scientist..... Entrepreneur scientist.....Explorer scientist..... Investigator scientist......Policy scientist......Regulator scientist.....Service provider scientist.....Teacher scientist

http://sciencecouncil.org/about-us/our-definition-of-science/

“Because ‘science’ denotes such a very wide range of activities a definition of it needs to be general; it certainly needs to cover investigation of the social as well as natural worlds; it needs the words “systematic” and “evidence”; and it needs to be simple and short. The definition succeeds in all these respects admirably, and I applaud it therefore.”

A C Grayling commending the definition in the Guardian, March 2009

Don't let us be fooled because someone adds the word Scientist to the end of what they do...

Are they fully Accredited Foresnsic Scientists, with the full education to go with it...!!!!!


I'm sorry I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful:

But I was under the impression that people who worked in Forensic Science, where highly Educated, they work in an esteemed profession..

I thought All people who worked for Forensic Laboratory's where Educated to University level...?????

I'm quite surprised......



Edit: who's more qualified:

 

Vincent Tabak is a highly-educated, multilingual computer programmer -

Fluent in Dutch, England and German, he has a PhD and Master of Science degree and analysed 3D images of buildings for Bath engineering firm Buro Happold.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak---179554

To be honest I would have expected these types of jobs to be offered in a Science type of magazine/online magazine..

Not at indeed.co.uk?????

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Cj a piece of information he gave the Leveson Inquiry.....

His statement, he told the inquiry, had said no such thing. Instead, when he spoke to police on December 22 he told them he heard two or three people leaving the block of flats where he lived in Bristol on the night Ms Yeates went missing. He said he had heard voices, but could not say whether one had been a woman's voice or not.

This is quite interesting... why didn't the Police look at the Block of Flats behind his Building....

The Flats in which he is refering to is not where I believe Kingdom lives, I think kingdom lives in a similar type of building to CJ... ( I would imagine CJ would refer to his house as a Building, rather than a block of flats)....


with his quote above is he saying that it was sometimes used as a shortcut from the `Block of flats at the back???
I've attached a picture and I believe he is referring to the Block of flats that look like they are council owned..

Did the people from the block of flats use the side of the building as a short to to the roadside of Canygne Road... ( maybe Parked a car there)'
It not inconceiveable......

Did people from behind Cangne Road ever use a short cut through CJ's?

Someone maybe Parking on Canygne Road and at visiting the block of flats, perhaps.....

They are just as able to use the route past Joanna Yeates house to exit the little gate, it's more likely if  they used the route past CJ's enterance they'd be seen....

Maybe it was a regular shortcut for people????

It's just as concievable, that someone who came from the Block of flats Past Joanna Yeates home could have come into contact with her..

Maybe this had happened before and she had said something...

I do remember a report of a van blocking the road on Canygne Road on that night of 17th Dec 2010

Maybe it was from someone who was behind canynge Road Visiting???

His statement to the Leveson Inquiry said: "The police have since confirmed to me that the fact that I gave a supplementary statement raised their suspicions in relation to me. On the basis of what ensued, I believe it is likely that the police passed these suspicions on to the media."

That is exactly what Tanja Morson and Dr Vincent Tabak did... they gave a supplementary statement and Dr Vincent Tabak found himself in the same position as CJ had......

If people ever used the route from the block of flats through to Canygne road, it might also give credence to the "Help Me" cry.. that Kingdom heard on the Saturday mid- morning...

I've attached photo's ... But it's really difficult to see if' its possible for someone to squeeze through or not..


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/304977/Jefferies-Police-leaked-statement

EDIT:   If It is possible to cut through from the block of flats at the back of CJ's then:........

           It would make sense:.... It would make sense that it could be the possible reason why Joanna Yeates was scared to be on her own, without Greg being around to make her feel safe!!
Anyone passing their Flat when it was dark would make her nervous...

he heard two or three people leaving the block of flats where he lived in Bristol on the night Ms Yeates went missing.

CJ on the: Honour of CJ,.... is stood at the big gate on his way home from the gym, and here's someone near the little gate...



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Dr Vincent Tabak:.......



I think about this case constantly recently...  I have always believed that Dr vincent Tabak is innocent.. And the more I look at this case, the more my original belief is confirmed:

I'm fully aware that most of the country believes that Dr Vincent Tabak is guilty, But it doesn't sway me from what I see as right and true..

It may appear as unkind and unfeeling towards the Yeates Family... I certainly do NOT want to be that... I think they have suffered enough, and when ever I write statements or comments, they are always in my thoughts.. I'm not doing this to stir up the feelings of the Yeates family and I really do not want to cause them any more distress...

But.... And I have to say But...

However people may think I am misguided ...I believe that Dr Vincent Tabak is innocent... (apparently.. I'm about 1 in 10 people who believes this:)

Firstly...Lydnsey lennens quote...:

I'm starting to look at it closely.. And it is quite revealing in it's content:

Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.

I was wondering if maybe they hadn't taken Dr Vincent Tabak DNA earlier... it was a possibility......But And it's a big BUT......

She says "SUSPECTS".... as in plural.....

So with Cj saying :There had been some sort of collusion... Between myself and Vincent Tabak

And therefore the police continued to entertain the suspicion that possibly there had been some sort of collusion...

Notice CJ says: Continued!!!! So they had thought the pair had colluded......

Under Suspicion.. Now I gather that one of the reasons for the delay was that Vincent Tabak when he was arreated.... refused to say anything...And therefore the police continued to entertain the suspicion that possibly there had been some sort of collusion... Between myself and Vincent Tabak

And:

All the people who lived in 44, Canygne Road... were interviewed, statements were taken... So... my statement was taken along with everyone else...
DNA samples were taken, finger prints, were taken.... It was all entirely Voluntary..But obviously nobody had anything to hide....
So nobody was in the least bit concerned.. erm.... about co-operating in that way...

They had to have CJ DNA and Dr Vincent Tabak DNA at the same time....

 And they can't really  say it was when they took CJ's DNA sample at the police station and Dr Vincent Tabak's sample in Holland..

But I will explain...... further on...

Again:

clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.

Suspects,... she must be refering to Dr Vincent Tabak and CJ...... But she analysing Joanna Yeates swabs at the same time!!

When the Police arrested CJ.. they went through the offical line of collecting his DNA again and his finger prints....
Yes.. he said he'd already given them..

But.... Now this was Offical..
And they probably had to collect it in an Offical Capacity... And treat him like any other prisoner.....

Hence when you watch the Honour of Cj.. you see him giving a DNA sample, it would be his second sample according to CJ....

So... Dr Vincent Tabak......

I believe what CJ says.... I believe that the tenants did give samples...

So how does it apply in Dr Vincent Tabak's case being the same as CJ's??

Well....... Dr Vincent Tabak did exactly what CJ did.... he gave a supplementary statement... He/Tanja rang them whilst he was at his family home for Christmas..

Whilst some of you may think that the statement about CJ's car was supposed to be incriminating., maybe it was just an observation...

And lets just stop and look at the statement like the police did... say it's incriminating...

They didn't really need to go fly Holland, to collect a statement saying the car had changed position.... They didn't need to waste tax payers money on a flight to basically ask a neighbour when he thought that CJ's car had changed position..

They could have simply of waited for him to return from his christmas break.... How long does it take someone to say i saw a car change position??

5 minutes?? lets be generous say 15 minutes... Did that really warrant flying out to Holland to take what the Police describe as a witness statement????

You have to see what is behind their motives just like everyone was looking for a motive:...
At this point Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't apparently a suspect???

So why the urgency to fly out all the way to Holland to get what should be a 15 minute statement from the neighbour who lived at number 2 Flat.....

Even if the would have liked to used the statement against CJ... it wouldn't really add any value to what evidence they apprantly thought they already had against CJ.....

Waiting for Dr Vincent Tabak wouldn't have changed the fact that they had to release CJ........

What most people do probably not understand is how Dutch Law works..... But of course our Police Service does and did.....

Dutch Law Allows the Police to hold a SUSPECT for 6 Hours:....( I remember the policewoman saying that Dr Vincent tabak's voluntary interview was 6 hours long)......

.Yes that's 6 hours in which they have  to interview them as a SUSPECT.. and then if they haven't got the evidence to charge them they have to let them go...... Or they apply to the Dutch Courts for an extension....

They would not be able to apply for an extension because it would be too complicated...And really they wanted him back over in the UK so that they could build a case against him....

So.. by saying that when they talked to Dr Vincent Tabak in Holland and what he said RANG ALARM BELLS.. It sounds convincing... It sounds like he must have made them think he was hiding something... But i believe it is untrue(IMO)...

I'll try explain why i think it is untrue:......

CJ Says:

.And therefore the police continued to entertain the suspicion that possibly there had been some sort of collusion... Between myself and Vincent Tabak

I think the police believed that CJ had done it, But he would have needed assistance to move the body... And when Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja rang with a supplement to their statement... That is when the ALARM BELLS started ringing...

Remember their ALARM BELLS rang when CJ rang with his supplementary statement!!!!

So this is when I think they decided to go to Holland... They wanted to interview him NOT as a witness But as a SUSPECT....
Hence they used the Dutch Law of Interviewing Dr Vincent Tabak for 6 hours and not the 15 minutes the interview should have really taken.....

And then said that it was his RELUCTANCE to give his DNA that started ALARM BELLS RINGING... And Dr Vincent Tabaks apparent interest in the case...

Well.... lets face it... half the nation were interested in the case... plenty of forums had set up..it was all over the media.. so really he wasn't any different from anyone else....

The only difference was he rang the Police trying to help like CJ had done.....

I believe that taking his DNA in Holland was a charade.... It wasn't offical, he wasn't under arrest... But they need to explain how Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA was a match to Joanna Yeates.....

We still have to keep reminding ourselves of what CJ said: that the tenants had already given their DNA and finger prints along with statements:

That is why any other communication with the Police Is a SUPPLEMENTARY statement...

Back to what I think Lyndsey Lennen has let slip by talking:.....

Up until i found out about Lyndsey Lennon... and Cj's statement.. I thought that the DNA samples were all taken at varying times:

Now we know that they took sample from Joanna Yeates probably at the scene as I'm not altogether sure ....

A colleague went down to supervise the removal of her clothing and preserve any body fluids: "The body was frozen, so that was quite tricky." Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.

"Eventually, we found something," Lennen says. "On swabs and tapes from her breasts, and tapes from three areas of her jeans. There were DNA components that matched one of the suspects, Vincent Tabak." But there wasn't enough, of enough quality, to evaluate – perhaps because of the high salt levels where the body was found, following heavy snowfall.

Now did they take samples of Joanna Yeates as she lay on the verge?? Or did they go to the Mortuary and help out there:

Either way it doesn't really matter:..... The dates will be slightly different but i'll get there:

25th Dec 2010  some one from LGC Forensics takes a samples from Joanna yeates in situ:

Or 28th Dec LGC Forensics take Joanna Yeates samples from her when shes at the mortuary:

They would have got the sample straight away... it was a massive case:

12:14PM GMT 28 Dec 2010
Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones of Avon and Somerset Police revealed the results of a post mortem examination as he declared that her death was now officially being treated as a murder investigation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8228069/Murder-investigation-launched-as-post-mortem-reveals-Joanna-Yeates-was-strangled.html

The post Mortem was completed on the 28th Dec 2010....

Now this is where the Devil is in the Detail......

If they took samples on the 25th dec 2010.. from Joanna Yeates where she lay... Lyndsey Lennen says:

the work was flat out_clothing swabs,suspects clothing, all turned around in 48 hours

So 48 hours after that would make it the 27th Dec 2010......

If they took the sample at the mortuary and the post mortom was completed on the 28th Dec 2010....

Then 48 hours after that would be the 30th Dec.. 2010.......

Remember its a massive case so, Yes... I believe they got straight on with the task in hand to get the DNA results:

In Fact if you look at an earlier post of mine: Crime Watch the full story part 2...

Tabak's statement was a smoke screen.... The landlord was entirely innocent... when police checked Jefferies DNA against the sample found on Jo's body. there was no match... he was free to go...

I hope your still following me with this:

Cj was realesed on bail on the 1st January 2010:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/landlord-chris-jefferies-released-by-police-173475

So.... 48 hours before CJ was released would make it the : 30th Dec 2010..

This is when i become Beyoncy:

So... Post Mortem 28th Dec2010..... 48 hours after that makes it the 30th Dec 2010

Sounds right CJ was released on the 1st January 2011...

Then we have this again:

"The body was frozen, so that was quite tricky." Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.

AHA........ She is saying there that she has both suspects DNA... as well as Joanna Yeates DNA ..
both suspects being Dr Vincent Tabak and CJ.....

They would have rushed Jo's sample through as vital....

How can they have results from Dr Vincent Tabak by the 30th Dec 2010 when they didn't see him Holland till the 31st Dec 2010.....

That's because what CJ said.. that they had the samples already....... the neighbours had given them voluntarily...

She says "the work was flat out..". they were working on Joanna Yeates swabs and anything else on her IMMEDIATLEY....

Another quote: This is fromCrime Watch the full story Part 2:

At 4.00 mins

Then shortly before the reconstruction was due to air... They made a dramatic break through.... Forensic Scientists had spent weeks enhancing the tiny DNA sample found on Jo's body. enabling them to establish a link to Vincent Tabak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRDtLjPfdw0

So it was near the end of January 2011 that the Crime watch program was due to air:

The police waited weeks, before deciding to arrest Dr Vincent Tabak:  the timing had to be right... everyone would agree it takes weeks to enhance DNA...

That's only if your like me.. for instance... the every day joe blog's would agree.. tiny DNA samples take weeks:

So the statement made by the police seems legitimate:

Again Officially they would have taken further DNA samples when they had him in custody as a SUSPECT........

With the killer's confession, Lennen's DNA evidence was not further tested.

 

Another slip in my opinion... She didn't need to test the sample they had collected from his arrest......


EDIT: I'll explain:

So the team deployed an LGC technique known as DNA SenCE, which purifies, concentrates and enhances otherwise unusable DNA: "We couldn't say whether the DNA was from saliva, or semen, or even touch. But we could say that the probability of it not being a match with Tabak was less than one in a billion."

She didn't need to test it at all again... they'd already used theDNA SenCE which enhances the DNA sample that they had.....



But then we need to examine.. Lyndsey Lennen's account:

"The body was frozen, so that was quite tricky." Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.

It didn't take weeks.... 48 hours to be precise........

You see.... Joanna Yeates samples were actually the most important samples to be done first.. I'm sure you would agree...

But they managed to do Joanna Yeates's samples CJ's samples and Dr Vincent Tabak's samples all within 48 hours:





NOW..... I bet you thought that I had slipped up there and you can explain away the DNA..... And Lyndsey Lennen doesn't actually say that she tested the DNA samples of the suspects at the same time as Joanna  Yeates samples in that 48 hour window .....  she does say:

On swabs and tapes from her breasts, and tapes from three areas of her jeans. There were DNA components that matched one of the suspects, Vincent Tabak." But there wasn't enough, of enough quality, to evaluate

Even if you do not believe the DNA evidence I'm Talking about.... (i'm sticking with it)....


BUT........ she actually goes one better.......!!!!!!!


Because as Lyndsey Lennen says: We worked FLAT OUT!!!! ...CLOTHING... SWABS.... (she's refering to Jo Yeates there)..... Then.. SUSPECTS CLOTHING (she's refering to Cj's and Dr Vincent Tabak...  there )all analysed and turned around in 48 hours..

Now they would not of had any samples of Dr Vincent Tabak's CLOTHING until after they arrested him

"Eventually, we found something," Lennen says. "On swabs and tapes from her breasts, and tapes from three areas of her jeans. There were DNA components that matched one of the suspects, Vincent Tabak." But there wasn't enough, of enough quality, to evaluate – perhaps because of the high salt levels where the body was found, following heavy snowfall.

Lyndsey Lennen says that they checked the suspects clothing at the same time as thy did the sample testing on Joanna Yeates...

48 hours before Dr Vincent Tabak was arrested is the 20th January 2011... is the 18th January

The would not have got a warrant to search Dr Vincent Tabak's house until the a day or so later... maybe even the same day..

They tested the DNA apparently that they had collect from Holland,,.... that is why thy arrested him....

So AGAIN........... how can they test fibres from Dr Vincent Tabak's coat in the 48 hour window... when even if you believe the story that it was after they saw him in holland that they got a DNA sample from Dr Vincent tabak to test...

 And test Joanna Yeates swabs in the same 48 hr window????

They had to test them to apparently rule CJ out:

Lyndsey Lennen.. definateley says that :

Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours

So it was physically impossible for LGC Forensics to of all ready had a sample of Dr Vincent Tabak's Black coat that apparently the black fibres were found on the body of Joanna Yeates...

And done a test on it in the same 48 HOUR WINDOW!!!!!!!!! (All of Joanna Yeates Testing would have been done in Dec 2010)........

Because they didn't get Access to Dr Vincent Tabak's Black coat till after they had arrested him in late January 2011...

So Lyndsey Lennen... You could NOT of had access to Dr Vincent Tabak's BLACK COAT at the same time you tested Joanna Yeate's samples..... and all of the SUSPECTS CLOTHING........... PERIOD!!!

The court was also told that fibres from the Dutchman’s black coat were also found on her clothing.

http://swns.com/news/jo-yeates-strangled-by-cold-and-calculated-vincent-tabak-21328/


Beyoncey Rests Her Case.........

And i will add that all statements and posts I make on this forum are (IMO)..........

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Here is what lead to CJ's Arrest:

This is a video interview from CJ when he appears on Judge Rinders Crime storys: Joanna Yeates:

At: 9:30 on the video CJ says:

The time that I had given my original statement... erm.. to detectives..They stressed, that they were very interested if that at some point in the future.... er....
Anybody remembered anything, that they hadn't... erm... remembered at the time, they should certainly straight away..... get intouch with the police

Then at 22:25 CJ says....

But erm.... Give what I knew.... erm..I got back intouch with the police to say... You know i'm pretty certain, that on that particular evening... this is what I was aware of

Cj is refering to hearing people on the path near the little gate:

Now at 22:30 The Police Officer says:

Christopher was quite well known... erm.... In the area, He's a retired
School Master from Clifton College...And actually he became quite an integral part of the initial investigation.... He was a witness and erm.......
He described erm.... seeing some people walking down the driveway of the address... On that Friday evening around about the relevant time... We knew Joanna had returned home....

Now what on earth the Officer is calling CJ a witness for, is beyond me!!!
We Know they saw him as a suspect...

seeing some people walking down the driveway of the address

Now I.m sure It's the little path CJ's refering too... because it is what CJ hears and doesn't see clearly...

In the honour of CJ.. you see CJ standing in the drive and he looks around and stops as if he has noticed something near the little gate...

Now.....

If CJ... had seen people in the driveway as described by the Police Officer... then surely CJ would have seen them close up and would have given the Police a description of the individuals, and the Police would then put out a description to the media...As these people would be..... PERSONS OF INTEREST!!!

So again.... (IMO) I believe what the policeman says is an untrue......

he became quite an integral part of the initial investigation.

YES SUSPECT!!!!!!!

CJ says at 24:00 mins:

Ironically, it was that phone call, which lead the Police to think I was making something up.... In order to deflect suspicion away from myself

So the Police put 2 and 2 together and came up with arresting CJ because of his supplementary statement and the fact that he had the keys to all the flats as the Landlord....

In order to deflect suspicion away from myself

Now where have I heard that before???? I will elaborate later......

Cj... I'm sure they soon realised would not have the physical strength to lift Joanna Yeates on his own without causing any drag marks..

So... when they released him on bail... believing that CJ, had to be part of the murder of Joanna Yeates, they need to get another suspect in their vision.. to be an accomplice with CJ in the crime...

Remember.. they didn't release CJ from Police Bail until March 2011...
And again in CJ's own words:

And therefore the police continued to entertain the suspicion that possibly there had been some sort of collusion... Between myself and Vincent Tabak

[mrswah]

If this was true, and the police really did continue to  have some suspicions about CJ, perhaps because he had keys to all the flats and no alibi, but they realised that he couldn't have committed the crime alone, as he was in his sixties and slightly built, what could be more convenient than to arrest another neighbour with no alibi, but young,  big built and with big hands--------------.

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Here's what led to Dr Vincent Tabaks arrest:

We know from CJ that they all had already given statements.... So any extra information was a supplementary statement, to aid the Police with their investigation:

Crime Watch Joanna Yeates Part 2:

At 2:05 The Presenter says:

An Officer recieved a call from Vincent Tabakin the Netherlands claiming to have new information

Remember the Police had invited the residents to get in touch if they remembered anything:
At 2:09 The Police Woman says:

He could remember that Chris Jefferies car had been parked on the driveway in  Canygne Road.... In a particular position the evening before Jo went missing... and the next Morning the car was facing in the Opposite direction....

Now Again... I think this statement is quite telling........   she says :

In a Particular evening the evening before Jo went missing..... and the next morning the car was facing the Opposite direction...

So how can this statement be acurate???? 

This information is in the Polices head....  lets break it down....

In the particular evening before Jo went missing

If Jo went missing on the Friday the 17th Dec  2010 as the Police have stated and Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have killed her....

Why would he ring up and say that Joanna Yeates went missing on the 16th Dec 2010????? That would make it a Thursday...

Ah.... i will explain why....

The Police believed that CJ had done it... and as I said he needed an accomplice if he was to get rid of her , he wouldn't be able to manage on his own...

So the reason was, the Police had interviewed a witness/suspect (CJ)..who was seen going over Clifton  Suspension bridge on the Saturday the 18th Dec 2010..

So Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't trying to implicate CJ.... He was giving a supplementary statement.... Obviously Dr Vincent Tabak was not aware that someone had been seen going across Clifton Suspension bridge on Saturday the 18th Dec 2010...

That was previledged information only the Police knew.... And as the Police say Dr Vincent Tabak was in the Netherlands when CJ was arrested... So he wouldn't have received the information about someone travelling across Clifton Suspension Bridge on Saturday 18th Dec... As the Police were in the middle of interviewing CJ about his movements...

I always found it weird that the Police charged Dr Vincent Tabak with The murder of joanna Yeates between the 16th Dec 2010 and the 26th Dec 2010....

Anyway....
The Presenter on the Program says at 2:20 mins

What Tabak  had to say was now crucial new evidence for police who are now questioning Jeffereies

Because they believed CJ had done it...

Presenter at 2:30 mins

On New Years Eve they sent a team out to meet him at a hotel in Amsterdam... But his version of events seemed confused

Well... Version of Events... ??? (what are they talking about?)
All he's really supposed to be telling them is that he saw CJ's Car move position....

Yes confused......

If he's telling them it was Thursday the 16th Dec 2010 that he saw CJ's car in a different direction... They needed it to be Friday the 17th Dec 2010 that he saw the car change direction, if the evidence they thought they had on CJ was going to stick...

The Policewoman says at 2:45 mins

There were details of Vincent's Account.... That...... were concerning me....

Why would the details that Dr Vincent Tabak was telling her about CJ's Car moving position be of a concern????

She's supposed to be talking to him as a witness remember:

The Police woman then says at 2:48:

He was Vague in some area's... He was over interested in other area's, Particulary around our Forensic examination...
There was things in his account that just didn't seem right.... to me.
And then his reluctance to give his DNA at the end of the process.......  Again started to Ring Alarm Bells

Lets look at that statement:

 

He was Vague in some area's

Vague..... lets think about that... if they trying to get info the car had changed position from the Thursday 16th Dec and they are asking him are you sure ....( sure it wasn't Friday the 17th Dec2010...)...
Then.. yes I can see him being vague and unsure....

Lets not forget...... They apparently have only gone over to the Netherlands to ask Dr Vincent Tabak about what he new about CJ's car changing position...

So what else were they asking him, if this was only supposed to be a WITNESS statement about CJ????

So why is she treating him like a suspect....

He was Vague in some area's

Oh course he's vague, he probably can't remember and is trying to be helpful...

He was over Interested in others particularly around our Forensics

Now..... Dr Vincent Tabak is sat with Police officers thinking that they are there for a nice chat as to what he saw regards CJ....
He could quite simply being interested what was happening with the case as there had been alot of media coverage
 they had just arrested his neighbour and all this had been happening in the building that he lived in....

For all we know... he might have tried to find out how serious the information that they had gathered against CJ was...
 Him and Tanja would then be homeless...

So we cannot summise why Dr Vincent Tabak asked what ever question to the Police...

Let me look at the next bit of her statement:

Then his reluctance to give his DNA at the end of the process.....

Hang on a minute.......

 What are you trying to say?????

End of what process......????? Dr Vincent Tabak , If you remember was a WITNESS?????

You see this is where she slips up....

The process she is referring to is his statement as a SUSPECT..... she's letting us now that the PROCESS is actual an INTERVIEW to find out Dr Vincent Tabak's movements.... (6 hours detention by a Police Officer in the Netherlands is the time  allowed to Inteview them....)

 They had him at that hotel for 6 hours... He's only supposed to be telling them CJ's car moved.....

But they act and behave like Dr Vincent Tabak is a SUSPECT and not a WITNESS!!!

Remember....

What Tabak  had to say was now crucial new evidence for police who are now questioning Jeffereies

Why would Dr Vincent Tabak, be being asked to give his DNA... they only popped over supposidly to get a witness statement from him...

Why did they have a DNA kit in tow??????

Like I said he was a SUSPECT.... Just like CJ had become a suspect  for giving a supplementary statement....
Why  would they even be asking him for his DNA???? he's a WITNESS!!!!!


She then says:

 

Again... Started to ring Alarm Bells..

Yes... The ALARM BELLS were ringing when Dr Vincent Tabak/Tanja rang to say about the car changing position.... that is why you went to the Netherlands!!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRDtLjPfdw0

Near The End of The Program, The Presenter sums up:

That phone call that he didn't need to make trying to frame Christopher Jefferies........
It all unravelled after that... You saw Karen Thomas talking about that hunch that lead them to the DNA that would corner him

Welll.... like I said... he rang to give a supplementary statement....... He wasn't trying to frame CJ....

And yes i agree it all UNRAVELLED after that.....

Because they had to let CJ go... there only remaining SUSPECT was Dr Vincent Tabak....

He says

You saw Karen Thomas talking about that hunch  that lead them to the DNA that would corner him

Welll what exactly did Dr Vincent Tabak say???? He was reporting Cj's car changing position... nothing more!!

They went to the Netherlands with the purpose of treating Dr Vincent tabak as a SUSPECT.... So they're were no HUNCHES...

No sudden Suprises for the Police Officers.....

Like I said in an earlier post...... Why did they just not wait to see what Dr Vincent tabak had to say about his neighbour when he returned back home from the Netherlands....

They had to release CJ... And he was on bail...

So realistically iy would not have mattered if they got that WITNESS Statement from Dr Vincent Tabak on his RETURN!!!!!

All the people who lived in 44, Canygne Road... were interviewed, statements were taken... So... my statement was taken along with everyone else...
DNA samples were taken, finger prints, were taken.... It was all entirely Voluntary..But obviously nobody had anything to hide....
So nobody was in the least bit concerned.. erm.... about co-operating in that way...

Cj had said they had all given DNA samples already.... So They didn't need to got to Holland to get a second DNA sample from Dr Vincent Tabak.....

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Oopsie... don't know what happened there..

[mrswah]

Well, if that particular documentary is accurate, then, as you say, VT was not implying that the movement of CJ's car had anything to do with Joanna's disappearance.

However, I never thought he was implying that anyway:  he was doing what CJ himself had done, and giving the police extra information, as  all the neighbours had been invited to do.  The police then took that as "trying to deflect away from oneself", just as they had with CJ.

The meeting in Holland was not reported to the public at the time:   why???

The "accepted" story is that VT aroused Karen Thomas' suspicion because he asked questions about the forensic investigation, and wanted to know why the door of Jo and Greg's flat had been removed.

He also changed his story, by saying that he had been out to ASDA on the evening of the 17th, whereas before he had said he stayed in  until going to collect Tanja.

Karen Thomas reported that his sister and Tanja (who sat in on the interview) seemed to be fussing over him.  I would imagine that the sister, if not Tanja, realised that Vincent was being treated as a suspect.

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WHAT LEAD TO THE TIMING OF THE ARREST OF DR VINCENT TABAK.....

The investigation has reached a stage where it could be subjected to an independent review by a senior officer who has not been involved thus far.

The spokesman said: "National guidance suggests a review should take place somewhere between 28 and 42 days but how that is done, who does it and the scope of the review are up to each individual force and will depend very much on the nature of the investigation in question. These reviews are routine practice and will be considered by us when we believe the time to be right. We continue to have a dedicated team of investigators who will remain on this case until we find and bring to justice whoever is responsible for killing Joanna Yeates."

This quote from the article in the Bristol post is Dated 15th January 2010:


This could be the possible reason for them arresting Dr Vincent Tabak when they did:

The spokesman said: "National guidance suggests a review should take place somewhere between 28 and 42 days

He even says:

These reviews are routine practice and will be considered by us when we believe the time to be right.

So he is having to conceed that someone else will Take over the INVESTIGATION and it will be out of his hands!!!!!

Do you think he's going to hand this over to someone else to get the GLORY!!!!! not in my opinion....



Lets just look at the dates:  Joanna Yeates was found on 25th Dec 2010

Dr Vincent Tabak was  arrested on 20th January 2011 = 26 days later

The 20th January 2011 was a Thursday; =26 days later

Saturday the 22rd January would have brought it to the =28 days

So the first opportunity I think would have been the Monday the 24th January to review the Joanna Yeates case:


Lets look at what pressures the team were under at this point:

The investigation has reached a stage where it could be subjected to an independent review by a senior officer who has not been involved thus far.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/joanna-yeates-murder-detectives-link-cold-case/story-11281334-detail/story.html#ldmP6DbTwv0S35vU.99

I'll look at headlines and articles leading up to Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest:



Article Dated 5th January 2011

Police investigating the murder of Joanna Yeates are coming under growing criticism of their handling of the case.

They hadn't got a scooby as to what was going on... No evidence...

Let's not forget: DNA has been turned round 48 hours: So Dr Vincent Tabak should have been ruled out by this point!!! 
They hadn't arrested him till the 20th January.. some 15 days later....


If we are to believe Lyndsey Lennen's statement 48 hours.....she did the testing.... My ALARM BELLS are ringing!!!

31st December 2011.... 48 hours after that = 2nd January 2011 ....So NO MATCH then........
All the information is fed in to a computer, so by this point, if Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA sample from Holland was a match, it would have come back as that by the 2nd January 2011


They have NO other evidence against Dr Vincent Tabak when they arrest him on the 20th Dec 2010. only the supposed DNA... which we know was tested alot earlier nothing had changed when they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak....


The Supposed PORN on his computer was only there to BOLSTER the STORY they wanted us to believe... The Same with the searches.... I'm sure i can explain those searches too...

One I already have and Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't even in his house when that search was supposed to have been made!!!!!

This Next Article is dated the 5th January 2011

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8240280/Joanna-Yeates-murder-police-face-criticism.html

Detectives admit that they still do not know where and when the landscape architect died and at what stage her body was dumped by the roadside three miles from her flat in Bristol.

Yes:..... This is because there is NO.. Forensic Evidence in the Flat that tells them what happened!!!

Let's split that statement up.....

at what stage her body was dumped by the roadside three miles from her flat

So WHY did they NOT KNOW , when Joanna Yeates had been LEFT in LONGWOOD LANE!!!!!!!

They have been telling everyone SINCE they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak that it was from THE 17th DEC 2010!!!!!

So they must know she could have been left there at anytime.....

Lets not forget ANDREW MOTT saying that he had to stop the body from THAWING!!!!!!!!


So I believe she HADN"T Lain on the verge in LONGWOOD LONE since the 17th DEC 2010...
SOMEBODY would have surely seen her before the 25th December 2010 as it was a busy route and lots of dog walkers Joggers coming down the entrance on the opposite side of the road..

An Avon and Somerset police authority member, who asked not to be named, told the paper it was "worrying" that the police did not appear close to finding the murderer.

"WORRYING":.....  Indeed.... you haven't got a clue how Joanna Yeates ended up in Longwood Lane,



Next Article:Dated 15th January 2011

Landlord in Joanna Yeates case: 'I'll be cleared within days'

Why would he know that he'd be cleared within days??? Who has said this to him?????

Is that 5 days????

Joanna Yeates’s landlord expects to be cleared of all involvement in her murder ‘within days’, it emerged last night.

 But as we know he wasn't cleared of all involvement, they still suspected CJ had someone assisting him at this point..... We know later they think it's Dr Vincent Tabak..

Now, apparently, they (police) are just waiting for the forensic evidence to come back. That shouldn’t be too long. When it comes back, Chris is confident he will be cleared.’

Apparenty? At this point CJ doesn't obviously know that they turned the DNA tests around in 48 hours!!

What Forensic's are the Police waiting for??? Have they got someone else's DNA other than CJ's and Dr Vincent Tabak's????

We Know how long they have had the DNA samples results for... 

Let's keep reminding ourselves 48 hours after Holland (if we believe Holland and not the samples they gave in their original statements...) = 2nd January 2011

Since Mr Jefferies’ arrest, police have been searching the building he shared with Miss Yeates and her boyfriend. That lengthy search was said to have finished last night.

Now what does this mean??  Searching the building???

They would have had access to the Landlords keys... Dr Vincent Tabak, if I remember correctly had moved out of the building with his girlfriend Tanja... And was staying on Aberdeen Road... (did they search his flat ???)

Where there any computers in Dr Vincent Tabaks flat at that time????

So..........

Which parts of the building DID they search???

"The significant snowfall in the early hours of Saturday December 18 has a considerable impact on this and I am working with numerous forensic specialists to determine the timings."

Now at this point... do we really know that Joanna Yeates has been in Longwood Lane since the 17th Dec 2010??

Now is this Statement again... more telling than we realise....


"Significant snowfall on Saturday 18th Dec 2010"...... Why this is important I believe.. is because the Police still considered CJ a suspect...

Remember... The car going over Clifton Suspension Bridge on the Saturday 18th Dec 2010:...

IF...... there was significant snow underneath the body of Joanna Yeates, then I believe the Polices theorised that she had been dumped on Longwood Lane on the 18th Dec 2010 and not the 17th Dec 2010 because of the heavy SNOWFALL... So there must have been plenty of snow underneath Joanna Yeates!!!

So that would be another reason why they thought CJ had committed the crime.....

What timings is he trying to work out?????

He said: "I can assure you, we are determined to solve this crime, and bring Jo's killers to justice."
When asked about this comment later, he said: "I think that phrase emphasises that I am not making any assumptions in this case."

YES..... He is determined!! The review will be happening soon!!!!

Not making any Assumptions?????

Well that's not strictly true is it.... You have already assumped CJ is guilty, because you cannot work out how someone would have gained entry into Joanna Yeates Flat...

You are assuming that she was Killed in her Flat.......

You have assumed it has to be someone in that building.....

v, involving over 70 police officers and staff," Mr Jones said.
"No stone will be left unturned in this investigation."

Again:..... This will take you into the review period where someone MORE SENIOR will be looking at the Investigation..!!!!

Lets Break it down:

"This is potentially a long and complex inquiry.
"

If at this POINT... you haven't got a clue as to who could have possibly committed the crime.. And we are NOT forgetting that you have already tested CJ's and Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA with Nothing coming back at this point....

POTENTIALLY.... doesn't come into it!!! unless you have someone else's DNA like CJ"S suggesting...

No stone will be left unturned

So what massive rocks did you turn over in 15 days???

Erm....... We know at this point you still think CJ is involved!! And your only other suspect is another tenant who gave a supplementary statement Dr Vincent Tabak.....

WOW.... this next statements telling:

Officers have searched through 293 tons of domestic rubbish to find the pizza, and said it is not clear at this stage whether Miss Yeates had eaten it.

WHY..... Is it not clear at this stage that Joanna Yeates has eaten the PIZZA!!!!

We are on the 5th January 2011 now... I thought the testing had been done... So surely her stomach contents would have been tested!!!

So your saying her stomach had NO contents????

So you cannot determine EXACTLY when Joanna yeates died!!!!!

Her Alcohol reading were consistant with having drunk about 2 pints of cider:......

BUT... Again a big BUT....... We have since discovered that there was a CHAMPAGNE CORK on the table in the house... along with a HEALEY"S bottle of CIDER which she didn't buy.....

So she could have drunk that on the Saturday!!!!!! Did you know about the Healey's Cider and Champagne... Tatteringer Reims... Mr Policeman!!!!

Is the Tattinger Reims Champagne and the Healey's Cider, ANOTHER reason you believe Joanna Yeates died on the Saurday 18th December 2010.....

PLUS... you have Kingdom's statement that he heard someone shout"HELP ME".. On Saturday 18th December 2010 about Mid Morning....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8240280/Joanna-Yeates-murder-police-face-criticism.html

And to add to there despair.... This Happens:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8242526/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Christopher-Jefferies-may-sue-police-for-wrongful-arrest.html

Chris Jefferies may sue police for wrongful arrest in Jo Yeates murder case

OOpsie.... You made a Boo Boo there!!!

Jo Yeates murder suspect Chris Jefferies has told a close friend he is considering suing the police for wrongful arrest.

Now... they haven't got a clue who could have killed her... they are NO nearer to finding a suspect.... UNLESS one just drops in their laps..

And to top it all the man that they have arrested and has been vilified by the press.. Is going to SUE...!!!!


I can just see your heads about to explode at this point.... I'm sure your thinking Arrrrgggg... Mr Policeman...

THE REVIEW is coming up: 

YOU'VE  made a Pigs ear of Arresting the LANDLORD:

YOU HAVE ONE POSSIBLE OPTION LEFT:!!!!!!!

The PLACID Dr Vincent Tabak......

Dr Vincent Tabak... whom in your own words described him As:

A very PLACID individual to deal with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUSlmEab-38

At about 33:10 minutes into the program:

Again my ALARM BELLS are ringing:....... Is that the reason they went to arrest Dr Vincent Tabak!!!! He was Placid, he was helpful... He WAS NOT Problamatic he was easy to CONFUSE!!!!!!

Another Article:

Steven Morris and agencies
@stevenmorris20
Thursday 6 January 2011 16.38 GMT First published on Thursday 6 January 2011 16.38 GMT
 
Police hunting the murderer of Joanna Yeates attempted once again to dampen down any expectation that the crime was going to be solved quickly.

So they are Struggling!!!!

Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford, of Avon and Somerset police, said "steady progress" was being made but warned: "It could take some time before we find out who killed Jo but we certainly will."

Like I keep saying they haven't got a clue... Again all the time Remember Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA samples have already been tested and have come back on the latest date 2nd January 2010

Detectives are keeping an open mind over whether the sock was kept by the killer as a trophy and whether she may have been strangled with it.

They definately Know at this point that she wasn't Strangled with the Ski Sock!!!  Her Autopsy had been completed on the 28th Dec 2010.... And Dr Delaneys findings are that it was manual Strangulation....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/06/joanna-yeates-murder-police-progress



So I can sort of see why the Police arrested CJ:

(1) He was the Landlord and he had keys to the Flat..

(2) I believe it was his CAR that went over Clifton suspension Bridge on Saturday 18th Dec 2010, that why you interviewed the witness/suspect about it....

(3) It had snowed heavily on Saturday 18th December and snow was underneath Joanna Yeates body..

(4)  There was no Pizza found in her stomach contents....

(5) Evidence of a different Cider being HEALEY"S cider and Champagne being TATTINGER REIMS was in the flat and you knew she hadn't bought these!!!

(6) Kingdom saying he heard someone shout  "Help Me" on Saturday the 18th December Mid Morning....

But you were STUMPED!!!! Because his DNA didn't match.. and he was too old to lift Joanna Yeates up!!!!

At this point knowing that there is no evidence in the Flat of a struggle... No DNA of anyone in the Falt.... No finger Prints of anyone in the flat....

DID IT NOT CROSS YOUR MINDS THAT SHE LEFT HER FLAT WITH SOMEONE AND THEY BROUGHT HER STUFF BACK!!!!!!!!!

So... so far .... How on earth can this evidence lead to Dr Vincent Tabak being arrested and charged with MURDER!!!!!

They needed someone... anyone so the review didn't happen!!!! (IMO)

And Dr Vincent Tabak was on his own that evening just like CJ had been on his own... So they needed to find a slot where he might have had the time to committ the crime!!!

He was in constant contact with his girlfriend all evening...

He went to Asda.....

They had to fit it around Dr Vincent Tabak being out of the house at the ONLY time he would be alone!!!

Because other than that he has time stamps...

This is why the timestamp on the ASDA video is important...

This is why the 1300 page Document that has Everyones timelines in: Joanna Yeates..Greg Reardon: Tanya Morson and Dr Vincent Tabak:

Is IMPORTANT... It gives timelines of EVERYTHING!!!!
This massive document would PROVE Dr Vincent Tabak didn't have the time to do what they said he did!!!

And the PROSECUTION did NOT give the 1300 PAGE DOCUMENT to the defence till the day of TRAIL!!!!!!!!!

This is why an experiment of lifting a dead weight, from the kitchen... to the bedroom... 2 mins later from the bedroom, through the hallway... turn left up the building.. turn left again across the back of the building... put her down... Go into your own flat...2 minutes later, pick her up again.. move her into your flat.... Put her in a bike bag....

This needs timing!!! He's not allowed to drag her as there are NO drag marks.. he has to carry her... whilst NOT Panicing.... Or leaving any evidence of himself in her flat..... Or evidence of herself in his Flat!!!!!!

HOW MANY MINUTES WOULD THIS TAKE????????????

EDIT:

Please excuse the expression But....

Just a thought..... the supposed sample they had of Dr Vincent Tabak on Joanna Yeates was so small they needed to enhance it using DNA senCE.....

Wouldn't Dr Vincent Tabak have been sweating his B****CKS off trying to move a dead weight about so many times on his own....... Surely he would have deposited a lot more Sweat on Joanna Yeates body... he wouldn't have been able to control that!!!!!

Lyndsey Lennen... Is the Forensic Soecialist...

Andrew Mott... Is the forensic co-ordinator





EDIT:

Look at this:

 

Mr Jones told reporters yesterday: "At this stage there is no evidence to suggest that Joanna was sexually assaulted.
"However, I have not ruled out that there might have been a sexual motive."

WHY....... are they not ruling out a SEXUAL MOTIVE.. when they KNOW she hasn't been sexually assaulted?????

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8240280/Joanna-Yeates-murder-police-face-criticism.html

This is the 5th January 2011:....

Is his brain ticking trying to explain why Joanna Yeates was murdered??????????

Remember he thinks CJ has something to do with her murder still at this point!!!

So why the suggestion of a sexually motivated attack... they obviously didn't think that of CJ!!!

Also REMEMBER.... the supposed searches do not prove intent or anything and the so called PORN was inadmissible...

He had to come up with something!!!!!! (IMO)

They had NOT searched Dr Vincent Tabak's computer by the 5th January 2011..!!!

So where did the IDEA of a  SEXUALLY MOTIVATED ATTACK COME FROM......... on the 5th January 2010

Dr Vincent Tabak.... was actually Arrested on the 20th JANUARY 2011 (hadn't seen his comp)!!

"However, I have not ruled out that there might have been a sexual motive.

This is PLANTING the idea in the MINDS of the public that is was Sexually Motivated....(IMO)

Is this you revealing your hand Mr Policeman????????



Sorry to keep editing: BUT...........

He said: "I can assure you, we are determined to solve this crime, and bring Jo's killers to justice."

KILLERS!!!!!!! see he think CJ had something to do with this on the 5th January 2011

NOW we understand Lyndsey Lennen's Statement of:

A colleague went down to supervise the removal of her clothing and preserve any body fluids: "The body was frozen, so that was quite tricky." Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.

THEY HAD TESTED CJ's and Dr Vincnt Tabak's DNA TOGETHER and at the same time as Joanna Yeates samples were tested.....

He says KILLERS!!!!!!!!!!! plural two of them!!! So why the Crap about a sexually Motivated attack??

Unless its the people that CJ heard at the little GATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

CJ was NOT released from Police Bail until MARCH!!!!!


Did they actually go to Holland and interview Dr Vincent Tabak there????  I have my doubts!!!!

See:

Jo Yeates murder accused Vincent Tabak in court

Bang on!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12262194

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Well, if that particular documentary is accurate, then, as you say, VT was not implying that the movement of CJ's car had anything to do with Joanna's disappearance.

However, I never thought he was implying that anyway:  he was doing what CJ himself had done, and giving the police extra information, as  all the neighbours had been invited to do.  The police then took that as "trying to deflect away from oneself", just as they had with CJ.

The meeting in Holland was not reported to the public at the time:   why???

The "accepted" story is that VT aroused Karen Thomas' suspicion because he asked questions about the forensic investigation, and wanted to know why the door of Jo and Greg's flat had been removed.

He also changed his story, by saying that he had been out to ASDA on the evening of the 17th, whereas before he had said he stayed in  until going to collect Tanja.

Karen Thomas reported that his sister and Tanja (who sat in on the interview) seemed to be fussing over him.  I would imagine that the sister, if not Tanja, realised that Vincent was being treated as a suspect.

The thing with the video's Mrswah..... Is the PUBLIC believes them.... The public believes what they have been told... they believe Dr Vincent Tabak is some sort of sicko Murderer... because they have been told that.....

They wouldn't have accepted the police describing him as a PLACID MURDER!!!!! it doesn't compute!!

And everytime they release a video, it only reinforce's it in the minds of the general public.....

That's why the PORN stuff came out after the trial..... To reinforce in the public's mind that this man is BAD!!!

The porn wasn't admissible at trial and i really don't think that it was just because it would be prejudicial to the defence... I believe it wasn't real.... not in the way they portrayed it....

Then after he's convicted : Crime Watch do a special???? Are they appealing for info on Crimes NOT telling us how BAD Dr Vincent Tabak is??????

How do we know he changed his story about going to Asda???????

Have we been allowed to see the statements that Dr Vincent Tabak has given to the Police..... There was that lady who tried to get access to them by using the freedom of information act...

We don't know when they first asked him about HIS movements on the 17th Dec 2010 and if the POLICE where CONVINCED she had been killed on the 18th DEC 2010... The Asda wouldn't come into it...

Remember at this point , he's a possible witness,.. nothing more........ They are not supposed to be interviewing him as a suspect... just a neighbour with what might be a bit of info!


Maybe he didn't think it important enough to tell them that.... he was a neighbour telling them about his BORING evening on his own on the night of the 17th December 2010 including what he did on the 18th and 19th of December 2010..... (they don't know when she was killed) (or if she is just missing at this point!!!)

 It was just a simple statement... that's probably why they ask the TENANTS to ring them if they remembered anything else....

Again... About the door...... unless we see the statements Dr Vincent Tabak made we do not KNOW if he asked about the door!!!

He had said NO COMMENT..... for ages... So when is he supposed of asked about the door.......



But apparently they denied her access in case Dr Vincent Tabak appealled.....

WELL....... LET DR VINCENT TABAK APPEAL THEN!!!!!!!


I agree about his sister concern... Dr Vincent Tabak was Placid...  He probably wasn't aware what the Police had in store for him... But i'm sure his sister did!!!!

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I want to add to this post: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg368908#msg368908

Thought I shouldn't Edit it again.. so I'm adding some more quote:

These quote are from Judge Rinder cases: Joanna Yeates: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4htq8y

We established that the DNA was turned around in 48 hours... So we need to understand these comments made by the police man:

So: 20th January 2011... 48 hours before that is := 18th January 2011:

Did they get a sample from Dr Vincent tabak on the 18th January 2011??........ NO!!


At 31:25 mins: The Policeman says:

It was around the 20th January, that erm... we positively identified there were components in the mixed DNA.. of Vincent Tabak

Again... 48 hours before Dr Vincent Tabak Popped round did he???

So he clearly says the 20th January!!

At 33:20 mins: The Policeman says:

He hadn't returned to the flat, and was staying with a friend in another part of Bristol.. We went there in the early hours of 20th January we arrested him..

Then he springs into action after getting the DNA results on the 20th January 2011... And even before the ink is dry on the arrest warrant, he's managed to run round to Aberdeen Road, in the wee hours and Arrest Dr Vincent Tabak!!!

Question:

(1) What time in the morning on the 20th January 2011 did the Police recieve the DNA results from LGC Forensics????????

(2) What time in the morning did they Arrest Dr Vincent Tabak on the 20th January 2011???

(3)  How long does it take to get an Arrest warrant together ??

(4) Why did the Police know that Dr Vincent Tabak was staying in Aberdeen Road???

(5) Wouldn't the arrest warrant have to have Dr Vincent Tabak's name and Address on it?

(6) Had the Police been keeping tabs on Dr Vincent Tabak to even Know he was staying in Aberdeen Road????

This is interesting:

Warrant for Arrest
If the police have the power to execute a warrant for arrest (also mis-spelled ‘warrent for arrest’) it is because it will have been issued by a Court (usually a Magistrates’ Court) in connection with criminal proceedings.

Arrest warrants give the police the power to:

arrest a suspect,
detain them, and
produce the suspect before a court.
It is important to note that the arrest warrant must be valid, and that the police do not exceed their powers or act outside of its scope when executing it. If they do, you may be entitled to compensation for an unlawful arrest warrant.  (Click on the link for more information.)

https://www.donoghue-solicitors.co.uk/actions-against-the-police/police-warrant-claims/warrant-definition/warrant-for-arrest/


Well Well Well...... Mr policeman:....... You are quite exceptional, you have managed in the space of a few hours, get the DNA results that you say belong to Dr Vincent Tabak..

Not only that.... you managed to arrest him in the EARLY HOURS.......

And the bit that is completely fantastic.... "Shows dedication".... You also got an Arrest Warrant from a Magistrate!!!!

Did you have to bang this MAGISTRATE up out of bed?????

Don't know what time they arrive at court... So I could be wrong that you banged them out of bed........

And you managed all this in a few hours with a DNA profile that wasn't a FULL profile which didn't prove that Dr Vincent Tabak was the donor of the DNA and the MAGISTRATE said YES:

Here you go.... Go AND get that BAD man so I can get some sleep!!!!!!

it is because it will have been issued by a Court (usually a Magistrates’ Court) in connection with criminal proceedings.

Magistrates court then????? Or Kangeroo???? (IMO)

It is important to note that the arrest warrant must be valid, and that the police do not exceed their powers or act outside of its scope when executing it. If they do, you may be entitled to compensation for an unlawful arrest warrant.   

Was it valid Mr Policeman?????

Did you actually have a warrant for such a serious offence as murder??????

Don't forget... he can be Compensated.........

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                                                   The Chaplain Peter Brotherton


Yes..... we all remember the CHAPLAIN Peter Brotherton and his helpful nature:.......

Joanna Yeates murder trial: Vincent Tabak confessed to chaplain in jail

Did he really!!!!

That was extremeley fortunate for Dr Vincent Tabak , that he joined Long Lartin... What ever would he have done without him!!!!

he said, was on 24-hour watch, with a perspex door fronting his cell.

It was during their third meeting, on Monday 8 February, when, as the court heard, Tabak revealed that he had something to tell the chaplain which “would shock him”. According to Brotherton,

Lets think about that... 3rd meeting..... He was a conciencious Chaplain......

He's meet with him 3 times in 12 days.... too kind......

What's with the perspex door?????

https://www.channel4.com/news/tabak-planned-to-plead-guilty-trial-hears

Vincent Tabak is said to have told the Salvation Army’s Peter Brotherton: ‘I have got something to tell you that is going to shock you.’
Tabak was said to have told Mr Brotherton of his plan to ‘plead guilty’ at HMP Long Lartin on February 8 and that he felt sorry for what he had done to Ms Yeates.
But Tabak then reacted angrily as Mr Brotherton told him he would not be able to keep the admission secret, the chaplain told Bristol crown court.

Were is the ..." I killled Joanna"????

http://metro.co.uk/2011/10/18/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-vincent-tabak-confessed-to-chaplain-in-jail-187513/#ixzz4Si45NyQa

On The Judge Rinder Crime Video : Joanna Yeates

At 36:20 The Policeman says:
We also cannot forget The Policeman saying:

In February 2011, he disclosed to a Prison chaplain..erm... that he'd killed Joanna and that he was going to admit it at court

Did He actually use those words??? Did he say I killed Joanna????
Now be careful of your description there Mr Policeman...
Are we sure he really is a CHAPLAIN?????


The SALVATION ARMY Chaplain... has always been a bit of an enigma.... When anyone tries to Clarify anything about Peter Brotherton is is virtually impossible, because he is not listed anywhere....

And the only time you actually find information regarding Chaplain Peter Brotherton, it is only every in relation to the Joanna Yeates case...

Which I found most Parculiar.....

On Feb 8 he spoke to Peter Brotherton, a voluntary chaplain with the Salvation Army, said the prosecutor, Nigel Lickley QC.
Tabak told him: “I’m going to tell you something that will shock you,” Mr Lickley said.
“Vincent Tabak told him ‘I’m going to plead guilty’,” he added.
The chaplain asked him “what for?” and Tabak replied: “For the crime that I have done.”
When he was asked if he meant “the young lady in Bristol” he said “yes” and the chaplain asked him: “Are you sorry?”

Where does he say that he Killed Joanna Yeates?????

Another thing..... we all blindly, me included.... Think: Prison Chaplain means: A man of the cloth... A man of great FAITH..

A man that can be trusted.. A man that i can confide in....
But:..... The Chaplain told!!!!!

Salvation Army member Peter Brotherton told the jury he shook hands with Vincent Tabak before the defendant told him: "I have got something to tell you that is going to shock you."

I'll shake your hand.. Then I'll stab you in the back.....(IMO)

Tabak, who had been under 24-hour supervision at HMP Long Lartin, was said to have told Mr Brotherton of his intention to plead guilty on 8 February, three weeks after his arrest.

Interesting.... look at what his title is:..... MR??

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8820130/Vincent-Tabak-told-prison-chaplain-I-killed-Joanna-Yeates.html

Mr Brotherton took his role in Long Larton Prison Just apparently a month before Dr Vincent Tabak was there:

He had assumed the role of a volunteer chaplain in January this year, just a month prior to his first meeting with Vincent Tabak. Tabak,

AH........ ASSUMED THE ROLE!!!!! So Not a proper Chaplain!!!!!!!!!


https://www.channel4.com/news/tabak-planned-to-plead-guilty-trial-hears

Appearing at Bristol Crown Court, Mr Brotherton said he decided he could not keep the information secret because Tabak was not religious. Mr Brotherton, who has been visiting prisoners since 1975, said "there was a little bit of anger" in Tabak's voice after the chaplain said he would have to pass on the information, which the Dutch engineer offered on their third meeting.

Again.... his title is ,... MR....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/vincent-tabak-was-angry-when-he-confessed-2372428.html


Everyone one else,.. refers to him as a CHAPLAIN!!!..... But I don't believe he is a Chaplain in the PROPER sense of the term........

Lets look at his quote:

Appearing at Bristol Crown Court, Mr Brotherton said he decided he could not keep the information secret because Tabak was not religious.

This on apperance, seems ligit in on sense... He's using the excuse that Dr Vincent Tabak is not religous.... So it's his duty to divulge the information to his superiors....

Who are MR BROTHERTONS SUPERIORS???????? 

I Believe the POLICE were MR BROTHERTONS SUPERIORS!!!!!

I'll tell you for why..... he is denfinetley not a Prison Chaplain in the true sense of the word (IMO)

Did you notice how he is addressed???

Appearing at Bristol Crown Court, Mr Brotherton

Nobody has picked up on this subtle difference.... with everything going on MR Brotherton has only had a role in a supposed confession... Yes people of religion are horrified that a PRISON CHAPLAIN would DIVULGE any information bestowed upon them....

Again...The Devil is ALWAYS in The DETAIL:.....

You see.. I DO NOT BELIEVE MR BROTHERTON IS A PROPER CHAPLAIN!!!!

You have to understand how The Salavation Army works...... There are different catergories of Chaplain... members etc...... And that is it.....

HE IS A MEMBER!!!

Salvation Army member Peter Brotherton told the jury he shook hands with Vincent Tabak before the defendant told him: "

This quote is from the Independant and I believe they acuratley described MR BROTHERTON!!!!!!! They call him a MEMBER!!!!!!!!

http://www.salvationarmy.org.uk/being-salvationist

YOU CAN BE: A SOLDIER:

Soldiership

One way to be a member is to become a soldier.

This is a voluntary personal commitment arising from a spiritual conviction. You will be invited to attend classes to explore the beliefs and practices of The Salvation Army, which will include exploration of your spiritual experience and the way in which this impacts on your lifestyle choices.

When a Salvation Army soldier is enrolled – officially joins the church – they publically demonstrate their decision by signing and adhering to the soldier’s covenant. Soldiers make a choice whether to wear the uniform or not based on their personal convictions.Soldiership

One way to be a member is to become a soldier.

This is a voluntary personal commitment arising from a spiritual conviction. You will be invited to attend classes to explore the beliefs and practices of The Salvation Army, which will include exploration of your spiritual experience and the way in which this impacts on your lifestyle choices.

When a Salvation Army soldier is enrolled – officially joins the church – they publically demonstrate their decision by signing and adhering to the soldier’s covenant. Soldiers make a choice whether to wear the uniform or not based on their personal convictions.

OR YOU CAN BE: ADHERENT MEMBER

Adherent members

Adherent members do not wear the uniform but are committed to The Salvation Army as their church and, as such, can identify themselves as members of The Salvation Army. It is the opportunity to explore your faith and how you best express is.

Not only is it important to The Salvation Army that adults find a place to worship and have the opportunity to become members, but that children and young people are included in this.

Children can also make a voluntary personal commitment to serve God through The Salvation Army, too. Through junior soldier classes, children can learn about God and make their own commitment to explore their spiritual experience and the impact it can make on their life choices.

In a public ceremony, they will sign the junior soldier’s promise to become a junior soldier member of The Salvation Army. Whether they wear the junior soldier’s uniform or not is up to them.

This is where the important stuff lies........

http://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/7DBFBCA725142A5C802573B1004F315A

Adherent members do not wear the uniform but are committed to The Salvation Army as their church and, as such, can identify themselves as members of The Salvation Army.

So I truley believe that MR BROTHERTON was an ADHERENT member of the SALVATION ARMY and not a CHAPLAIN.......

'Adherency' is a form of membership of The Salvation Army which varies from country to country. It never requires the full acceptance of Salvation Army regulations that 'soldiership' (full membership) requires, but in many countries the adherent signs a Certificate of Recognition.

One widely used certificate declares: 'This certificate confirms that ____ is an Adherent Member of The Salvation Army. An adherent member of The Salvation Army is a person who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and seeks to follow and be like him; participates in the worship, fellowship, service and support of a local Salvation Army congregation; and identifies with the Army's Mission Statement.

An adherent member is a person 14 years of age or over, who meets the definition of adherency given above, and who is not an active member of any other religious body. The Salvation Army affirms all who sign the certificate, recognises this as a positive step in a personal journey and pledges ongoing encouragement and pastoral guidance as this journey of faith unfolds.

So lets have a look at who could be an ADHERENT member:

(1) Lollypop Lady

(2) Ice Cream man

(3) Lawyer

(4) Policeman Man.....

(5) Dinner lady

(6) Girl Guide

(7) Bouncer

(8) Vet

(9) Prison Officer

(10) Male Nurse/ Nurse/ Dentist

Basically just about anyone one can be an ADHERENT MEMBER:........

So what is MR BROTHERTON'S OTHER JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adherent Member of The Salvation Army. An adherent member of The Salvation Army is a person who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and seeks to follow and be like him; participates in the worship, fellowship, service and support of a local Salvation Army congregation; and identifies with the Army's Mission Statement.

So MR BROTHERTON ..... You are an ADHERENT MEMBER are YOU???

See nobody again asked MR Brotherton for his QUALIFICATIONS.... because he didn't need any!!!!!!!!!

So going on the witness stand as MR BROTHERTON.... he wasn't telling an untrue....

He didn't need to say whether or not he was a Chaplain in the full sense of the word..... Because...

Everyone including myself believed he was..... BUT NOW.... I think he's just an ADHERENT member...

So any Joe Bloggs with a religious conviction can be come a SALVATION ARMY MEMBER!!!!!!!!!

I will add that nowhere I can find that MR BROTHERTON says he is a CHAPLAIN.. so he's not lying there:

Adherent members do NOT wear the uniform... that is why when MR BROTHERTON attends court he is in a suit... I have attached a picture of Mr Brotherton...( it might not be a photo of him... it was taken outside court)......

So... what is his real job... does he work inside the Police Department???? Does he work with the Prosecution service.... Do we really know ANYTHING about MR BROTHERTON other than he blabbed about Dr Vincent Tabak's supposed confession!!!!!

So what was this confession??? Is the statement that Mr Brotherton says made in one meeting or over several?? Has he strung aload of sentences together over various meeting???

Because I don't know about you... But I just do not TRUST The so called CHAPLAIN.... he apparently only joined Long Larton at the end of January 2011...

Mr Brotherton, who has been visiting prisoners since 1975, said "there was a little bit of anger"

In what CAPACITY......... 

Dentist??? Nurse??? what is your job!!!!!

And.. we Know that Dr Vincent Tabak is Placid and Helpful... would he show ANGER????

Well maybe he he just found out you weren't a real CHAPLAIN. and had tricked him.....(IMO)

At court this is what was said:

During cross-examination, Tabak’s QC William Clegg claimed Mr Brotherton’s comments differed from a statement he gave on February 16.

Mr Clegg said: “Let me suggest to you there was no suggestion of ‘changing my plea’. ‘I am going to plead guilty’ - that’s what he said. “You said ‘What for?’. And he said ‘For the crime I have done’.”

What Crime was he confessing too?????? Doesn't say Joanna Yeates MURDER!!!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8820130/Vincent-Tabak-told-prison-chaplain-I-killed-Joanna-Yeates.html

Adherency' is a form of membership of The Salvation Army which varies from country to country. It never requires the full acceptance of Salvation Army regulations that 'soldiership' (full membership) requires,

This is the real reason why MR BROTHERTON could divulge the information that was supposedly given to him by Dr Vincent Tabak.... He DOSEN"T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES!!! Nothing at all to do with Dr Vincent Tabak being Religious or NOT!!!!!



Oh Dear..........

MR BROTHERTON..............

I do believe I have found you:?????? (IMO)


Are you this MR PETER BROTHERTON????????



http://www.butlertrust.org.uk/peter-brotherton-anthony-richardson-hmp-whitemoor/

PETER BROTHERTON & ANTHONY RICHARDSON (HMP Whitemoor)
COMMENDEES 2012-13: Senior Officer & Prison Officer: for contributions to the care and welfare of staff. (This Commendation is granted in memory of Paul Mason).

Oh lets see.... let me guess your JOB!!!!!!!!....
Sureley it isn't a coincidence that there are two of you in the Prison Service????????????

I could be wrong of course:

[The following article appeared in issue 5 of the Butler Trust’s magazine, Inspire]

In the category of staff care, Supervising Officer Pete Brotherton and Prison Officer Anthony Richardson at HMP Whitemoor have been commended for their ‘contributions to the care and welfare of staff’ through the prison’s witness care initiative. Pete and Anthony are active members of the prison’s staff care team, which provides peer support for staff members in difficulty on a purely voluntary basis, juggling the commitment with their fulltime roles – Pete as part of the orderly officer group and Anthony in the establishment’s dangerous, severe and personality disorder (DSPD) unit.

So Peter...... you are actually a SUPERVISING OFFICER... who's an ADHERENT Salvation Army member!!!???????

As Whitemoor is a high security prison it holds some of the most dangerous and violent prisoners,’ says Pete. ‘To take these people to court while they are already serving long sentences is very challenging.’ The system now supports staff before, during and after trials, involving the provision of courtroom training as well as organising appropriate transport and pre-trial visits to the court to address staff anxieties around what will happen on the day.

Was it really challenging to get the PLACID... Dr Vincent Tabak to court?? Or was the challenge getting the PLACID Dr Vincent Tabak to believe you were a PRISON CHAPLAIN!!!!! (IMO)

There is now a single point of contact at the CPS for each case, regular communication with all agencies, and staff are shielded from press intrusions.

So was it the CPS whom you had to inform of the supposed CONFESSION that the PLACID Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have made???????


MR BROTHERTON...... I believe it's time you explained your ROLE PROPERLY and what your JOB is:!!!!!!!!!

It sounding more and more like a set-up......... (IMO)!!!!!!!!

This Case is a Joke!!!!!!!! Brotherton only stated work at LONG LARTIN PRISON  in January.. ..

Convienent if you ask me:!!!!!

Again.. I do believe Dr Vincent Tabak should have a Re- Trial.... 

In My Opinion they stitched this man up good and proper!!!!!!!!


So..... MR BROTHERTON... you are really a Prison Officer??????? (IMO)  A Supervsing Prison Officer????? (IMO)

In the category of staff care, Supervising Officer Pete Brotherton and Prison Officer Anthony Richardson at HMP

The photograph I Have attached is from the internet.. So this picture may be wrong.. and it maybe just  just a guy leaving court!!!

The picture come from The Mirror...  I don't know who Identified this man as PETER BROTHERTON..... maybe he IS!!  Maybe he ISN'T!!!!!

I Personally believe that if this PETER BROTHERTON is one in the same person that they cannot act for the benefit of a PRISON............ It clearly is a conflict of interests!!!!!!!!!

And if not.... Explain yourself PETER BROTHERTON!!!!!!!!


I DO NOT BELIEVE DR VINCENT TABAK CONFESSED TO ANYONE!!!!! PERIOD! (IMO)

EDIT: 

Before he left, the chaplain shook hands with the prisoner and offered to pray with him, but Tabak declined. Brotherton handed him instead a handwritten prayer saying: “You can use it or do whatever you want with it.”

ERM........ let me make a suggestion!!!!!!

https://www.channel4.com/news/tabak-planned-to-plead-guilty-trial-hears

There is now a single point of contact at the CPS for each case, regular communication with all agencies, and staff are shielded from press intrusions.

This is why I don't think the picture is MR BROTHERTON..... They get shiedled from press intrusion..
Why would he then want his face splashed all over the press!!!!!!!!

Could be a picture of an Unhealthy Policeman!!!

http://www.prisonofficer.org.uk/search.php?keywords=chaplain++&t=6254&sf=msgonly&sid=62cc07ca8a216f62bdcf982c4b17aacd   

This is where i thought I would have found Mr Brotherton.... because of his years of service


If they TRICKED Dr Vincent Tabak into believing that MR BROTHERTON was A Chaplain....

What else did they trick Dr Vincent Tabak with??????????

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                                                   The Confession...........

Now we need to understand what leads Dr Vincent Tabak to confess.....!!

Everyone.... Apart from myself and a few other believe THE CONFESSION......... ( i do not BELIEVE it for one moment )!!

It was an integral part of Dr Vincent Tabak facing Murder charges......

So.... how do we look at this as possible DURESS!!!!!

We have to go right back to when they first arrested Dr Vincent Tabak... which if you remember is the...... 20th January 2011...

So Again... start adding things:......

20th January 2011 was a THURSDAY

They could hold him for :

For how long you can be detained
 You can normally be detained for up to 24 hours without being charged.
This can be longer but only if the offence could be tried by a judge and jury
in a crown court and a Police Superintendent or a court allows it to happen.
After 36 hours only a court can allow the police more time to detain you
without being charged.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/332266/CodeC-NoRE.pdf


So this now brings it to Saturday the 22nd January 2011....... = 36 hours later

Well court is not really held on a Saturday....
So...............

The next available slot will be Monday the 24th January 2011......

Now you need to understand the difficulties someone ...especially someone of a PLACID nature is trying to deal with these somewhat TESTING circumstances:

I will let CJ tell you:

I was taken into custody and questioned by the Police for
three days, during which time I was entirely cut off from
the world to all intents and purposes. Finally, on 1
January, I was released on bail pending further
investigations.

 

Notice they still suspect CJ.........

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Witness-Statement-of-Christopher-Jefferies.pdf

Lets not forget:.... CJ found this situation intolerable... he was in Police custody for 3 days with no contact from the outside word..
No Family..
No friends..
No one except his SOLICITOR.......

Now lets go back to Dr Vincent Tabak:

He was arrested on the 20th January 2011 and did not get to see his family or friends for at least 5 days: 
I genuineley don't think he saw then then... But I digress .....

Are these the timings you are refering to Mr Policeman??????

By Arresting Dr Vincent Tabak on the Thursday 20th  January 2011... the Police had longer than the 36 hours,in which they would have to apply for an extention:.....

I hope your following...

Clever Tactics in my opinion!!!!

So.... 24th January we get this:= 5 days as he was arrested EARLY hours of the 20th January 2011

Vincent Tabak makes first court appearance - and plans to apply for bail
He stood impassively in front of Bristol magistrates yesterday and spoke only to confirm his name, address and age, and to verify he understood proceedings.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vincent-tabak-makes-first-court-106532

So he appears in front of the Magistrates on the... 24th January 2011 (WHERES THE BAIL)?? His solicitor is COOK at this point!!!!!

He was charged with murder on Saturday evening.

this I don't understand??? Was the original charge for the Saturday 18th Dec 2010????

So we are now 5 days being held and no sign of seeing any family or friends at this point:.....

You would like to think that Dr Vincent Tabak as a Dutch Nation is getting the full British Hospitallity package.... But NO.........

They use an EXCUSE to move him......... To Gloucester Prison!!

THE man accused of murdering Jo Yeates was moved to a different prison
yesterday amid fears for his safety.

Vincent Tabak had spent less than 24 hours in jail in Bristol before the
30-mile switch to Gloucester.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/330342/tabak-jail-switch-over-attack-fears/

So at this point... EVEN his SOLICITOR does NOT... get access to him... it can take time to sort!!!!!!

Recap:  Arrested 20th January 2011
And by the 25th January .... no contact with any friends family and as far as I'm aware only a DUTY solicitor has been appointed!!!!

So we are at day 5........ I personally would concider that more than 36 hours without proper intervention!!!

COULD IT GET ANY WORSE............. well yes actually

THE man charged with the murder of Jo Yeates has been placed on suicide watch
in prison.

Dutch-born Vincent Tabak is being monitored around the clock at Long Lartin
jail, where he is on remand.

He's been moved again....... No family No friends... who's his lawyer???????

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/332161/jo-suspect-on-suicide-watch-in-tough-jail/

Now the Placing of Dr Vincent Tabak on suicide what is vey telling........

How have they described him before??

Placid?? Calculating?? sytematic??

You really have to understand what the MOTIVES are again........

what happens to prisoners on suicide watch in LONG LATIN PRISON????????

OMG ... ya gonna love it....

He had assumed the role of a volunteer chaplain in January this year, just a month prior to his first meeting with Vincent Tabak. Tabak, he said, was on 24-hour watch, with a perspex door fronting his cell.

https://www.channel4.com/news/tabak-planned-to-plead-guilty-trial-hears


When was MR BROTHERTONS first meeting With Dr Vincent Tabak???

So..... we have now spent 7 days so far without  having any contact with firends or family and we have been put in a Cell with a perpex door.... No privacy...

If CJ found just 3 days very difficult and trying... Try DOUBLING that!!!!!!!!!!!

Up until this point NO BAIL has been applied for what so ever!!!!!!!!!

So we are at about the 27th January......  I'm now looking for when exactly Tanja got to visit DR Vincent Tabak???

Range of date 1/1/2011 to 30/1/2011 reveals no results:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tanja+morson+visits+vincent+tabak&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=962&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A20%2F01%2F2011%2Ccd_max%3A30%2F01%2F2011&tbm=

Range of dates up until 8th Feb 2011:  https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tanja+morson+visits+vincent+tabak&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=962&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A20%2F01%2F2011%2Ccd_max%3A08%2F02%2F2011&tbm=

It is NOT until the suspposed confession that I believe Tanja Morson EVENTUALLY gets access to her BOYFRIED Dr Vincent Tabak along with his family:

THE girlfriend of Jo Yeates’ alleged killer emerges from a prison visit — on
the same day as the tragic 25-year-old’s funeral.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/369964/accuseds-girl-visits-jail-as-jo-is-laid-to-rest/


That timing was well done Mr Policeman...!!

When he appeared for his hearing at Bristol... they did it from a video link from LONG LARTON!!!

Tabak, an architectural engineer who lived next door to Yeates in Bristol, appeared in court via video link from Long Lartin prison in Worcestershire.

His solicitor has changed to CLEGG!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/31/joanna-yeates-funeral-vincent-tabak 

Again look at the timing of what is happening!!!!!!

So we are at the 31st January so 11 days without seeing family and friends?????

Was the first time he was allowed to see them the 14 FEB 2011????????

IF CJ says: 3 days is hard...

We are possibly talking 25 days that Dr vincent Tabak did not have any contact with his family and freinds!!!!!!!!!!
I hope this is not the case..

has anyoneone got any evidence that dr vincent Tabak had access to family and friends and when it was !!!!!

So we have now been sat in a GOLDFISH BOWL for the best part of 11 days ... when the helpful MR BROTHERTON wants to ease your PLIGHT......

Now at this part of your incarceraction, even though you may not be Religous.. you might be slightly PLEASED to see A MAN OF THE CLOTH!!!

But... Mr Brotherton WASN"T.......!!!!

So just maybe... it puts into context Dr Vincent Tabak's reaction to Mr Brotherton....

Mr Brotherton, who has been visiting prisoners since 1975, said "there was a little bit of anger"

A bit of Anger!!!!! MY God.... Dr Vincent Tabak has had no access to anyone familiar to him.... then the Man Pretending to be a Chaplain has just tricked him!!!!!!!

Seriously how many days are we talking that Dr Vincent Tabak didn't get access To Family and Friends????

By my calculations it must be... 20th Jan 2011 to possibly 14th Feb 2011 = 25 days!!!!!!!!!!!

So...... How do you imagine this poor man feels right at this moment???

I bet he's not enjoying British Hospitality!!!!!

Now... the Police have the so called confession from Brotherton.... (he doesn't deserve to be called MR..) (IMO)

And what do they do NOW....

Start to build their imaginary case IN MY OPINION!!!!!

So we then go to MAY.... and Amazingly Dr Vincent Tabak enters a Plea!!!

Up until this point this man has said he is INNOCENT!!!!!

He goes to court at............. THE OLD BAILEY!!!!! via video link from long lartin....

Why did he not appear in PERSON??????

Why didn't it happen in Bristol???

All his other Apperances were in Bristol... even his murder trial!!!!!!!

Ah... stops him seeing family and friends and anyone else who might have been able to help or influence Dr Vincent Tabak on his RIGHTS!!!!!!

You couldn't make this stuff up if you were writting a story.......

Dutch engineer Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty to manslaughter during a brief hearing at the Old Bailey in London... Miss Yeates’s parents, David and Teresa, were in Court 2 of the Old Bailey to witness Tabak – who was appearing by videolink from Long Lartin prison where he is on remand – admit to killing their 25-year-old daughter.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8496027/Dutch-engineer-Vincent-Tabak-admits-I-did-kill-Jo-Yeates.html

WELL..... what else did they do to him inbetween the visit from the phoney chaplain... and him pleading guilty to MANSLAUGHTER....

Because in my opinion... they have shown Dr Vincent Tabak... that they can do pretty much anything?????

Is this when they told him they could charge him with CHILD PORN!!! its not beyond the releams of possibility....

They could have told this man anything to get him to CONFESS..........

When did he get access to his solicitor... CLEGG originally ???????????? we know he lost  COOK at some point !!!!!!

And in my opinion... thats exactly what they did..... Got him to confess to something he didn't do....


You now have to understand that once he agrees to confess ....

He needs to sign a statemment to say he's admitting guilt!!!!!!

Once the statement is signed..... HELL OR HIGH WATER will not change this.....

Only NEW evidence at trial.... something the defence could use to PROVE that it was a FALSE CONFESSION!!!!!

LIKE THE 1300 PAGE DOCUMENT!!!!

Dr Vincent Tabak probably thought he'd have a bit more chance at a FAIR trial......
But It wasn't fair was it.....

No CJ as a witness
No Tanja as a witness
No Family as a witness
 NO 1300 page document till the day of trial that would go to proving your innocence....

No one checking the credentials of the Prosecution witness's...

SO... where was the fair trial.......

And in the eyes of the LAW.... A PRISONERS CONFESSION should not be accepted if the PRISONER WAS under DURESS!!!!

Well going from the behaviour of the Police and the prosecution.... I Say that Dr Vincent Tabak WAS under DURESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Lucky man 3 prisons in 48 hours AND a man pretending to be a prison chaplain and no family to have contact with:

We British really know how to treat our European Brothers!!!!!!!

EDIT:  As A Forgein National.. did they contact the embassy for him??????

9. Contacting your embassy or consulate
If you are not British, you can tell the police that you want to contact your High
Commission, Embassy or Consulate to tell them where you are and why you
are in the police station. They can also visit you in private or arrange for a
solicitor to see you.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/332266/CodeC-NoRE.pdf

Access to the evidence if your case goes to Court
 If you are charged with an offence, you or your solicitor must be
allowed to see the evidence against you as well as evidence which
may help your defence. This must be done before your trial starts.
The police and the Crown Prosecution Service are responsible for
arranging this and providing access to relevant documents and
materials.

Think this applys to the 1300 PAGE DOCUMENT... Don't you???????

Before the trial starts???? Not dumped on the lap of the defence on the day of trial then???????!!!!!
Didn't think they could do that!!!!



EDIT:

He was charged with murder on Saturday evening.

I believe I read he was arrested on Thursday 20th January 2011 at 5:55am

So if they Arrested him on the Saturday evening.. they have gone past the hours they had to hold him without charge!!!!

Even if they got an extension 36 hours from Thursday 20th January 2011 at 5:55am

Friday 21st `January 2011 at 5:55am =24 hrs
Saturday 21st January 2011 at 5:55am = 48 hr And add more until the evening.....

What extension did they get to hold Dr Vincent Tabak?????????

Jurors also heard evidence from Detective Constable Geoffrey Colvin, who had arrested Tabak before dawn at a flat in Aberdeen Road, Cotham, Bristol, where he had been staying.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/joanna-yeates-killer-confessed-to-chaplain-2372235.html

2. How long you can be held in custody
The police can hold you for up to 24 hours before they have to charge you with a crime or release you.

They can apply to hold you for up to 36 or 96 hours if you’re suspected of a serious crime, eg murder.

You can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act.

https://www.gov.uk/arrested-your-rights/how-long-you-can-be-held-in-custody

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A cell with a Perspex door indicates they are following the rules and applying a duty of care for Tabak's safety not the opposite you assume! As the move itself implies!

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  This is a transcript of the Video in the telegraph dated 5th January 2011....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8240280/Joanna-Yeates-murder-police-face-criticism.html

It is the Policeman in charge making a statement...

At this time, I cannot say where or when Jo was killed..... Or when her body was left on Longwood Lane... The significant snowfall in the early hours of Saturday 18th Dec.. has a conciderable impact on this..

And I'm working with a number of Forensic Specialists to determine the timings.. We Have had a number of reports of vehicles on Longwood Lane... During the late friday evening... And early hours of Saturday morning...Including a possible light coloured 4x4 vehicle..This 4x4 and other vehicles maybe completeley unconnected...

But I urge anyone in that car or any other driver in the Vicinity that night to come forward....
I know there was  large christmas functions taking place at Long Ashton Golf Club... Bristol and Clifton Golf Club...And Red Wood Lodge...

I again would urge taxi drivers who used the road to call......... They may have information that could prove vital....
Detail surrounding the pizza and the Cider are relevant...... And I appreciate have been an on going interest..

What I can tell you is we still haven't found the pizza, we have searched bins in the aarea and we are working through 292 tonnes of domestic rubbish seized in the vacinity....

This is a demonstration of the level of detail we are pursuing on this enquiry.....At this stage... It is not absolutley clear whether Jo had eaten the Pizza... We continue to work with experts to detemine this..... I can assure you we are determined to solve this crime and bring Jo's killers to justice

Again I'm going to break the statement up:

At this time, I cannot say where or when Jo was killed..... Or when her body was left on Longwood Lane... The significant snowfall in the early hours of Saturday 18th Dec.. has a considerable impact on this..

So.... why is he not sure WHERE... Joanna Yeates was killed????? He's been insisting it was in her Flat!!

And  we know he hasn't got a clue as to WHEN????? maybe that will become apparent??

Why does the snowfall have an impact on this???? How much was under her?????

And I'm working with a number of Forensic Specialists to determine the timings.. We Have had a number of reports of vehicles on Longwood Lane... During the late friday evening... And early hours of Saturday morning...Including a possible light coloured 4x4 vehicle..This 4x4 and other vehicles maybe completeley unconnected...

Forensic Specialists.... Lyndsey Lennen Maybe??? What timings exactly is he trying to determine???

Whether it was possible for Dr Vincent Tabak to have put Joanna Yeates on Longwood lane on the Friday 17th Dec 2010??

Why are they just concentrating on vehicles that where seen on Longwood Lane on the Friday night and Saturday Morning.... what about any other sightings after that...

Just vehicle reported on the Friday 17th Dec and Saturday the 18th dec 2010.???? No other times or other days??????

Lets not forget ,, he does say:

 

At this time, I cannot say where or when Jo was killed..... Or when her body was left on Longwood Lane...

Why not ask the public if they have seen anything from the time it was possible for Jo to disappear and the time that she was found !!!!

You can see he's decided that it has to be Friday or Saturday that she was deposited at Longwood Lane ....... He has totlally ignored the fact that she could had been put there later?? of died later?

But I urge anyone in that car or any other driver in the Vicinity that night to come forward....
I know there was  large christmas functions taking place at Long Ashton Golf Club... Bristol and Clifton Golf Club...And Red Wood Lodge...

So ... Longwood Lane had LOADS of TRAFFIC going up and down it on Friday 17th December 2010.....

Now wouldn't it have been Advisable for Dr Vincent Tabak.... to have used his vast knowledge of space awareness... his cunning his meticulous attention to detail... To think that Longwood Lane with it's narrow Road and narrow verges would be the perfect spot to leave Joanna Yeates.....

I know they say he tried to lift her over the wall.....

But with Andrew Mott waving his unweildly Broom Handle about, I'm not truly convinced how the blood ended up on top of the wall......

WHY is The Policeman determined that it was  Friday the 17th Dec that someone must have seen something???

Remember he's just said he didn't know when Joanna Yeates was Left in Longwood lane,...

But on the Other hand he wants everyone and anyone who was in Longwood Lane on Friday the 17th to LET HIM KNOW!!!!!
The Date of this video is 5th January 2011..... They had no clue at this point....

But... he is  persuading us that she must have been left there on Friday the 17th Dec 2010...

Has he forgotten this IMPORTANT siting:

When Jo’s body was found 48 hours later, Marilyn realised the importance of what she had seen and her husband Phillip reported the van driver’s suspicious behaviour on the Crimestoppers number.

Worried Marilyn took our reporter back to the spot where she saw the suspicious van driver.

So this was on the 23 Rd December 2010 that this Lady has reported this sighting.. seems significant... Did he just ignore this sighting??

She said: “I came out of the gate at the end of the path and noticed a man sitting in a white van.

“At first I thought it was my ­husband, because he always picks me up at the bottom of the road after I’ve finished my walk.

“He also drives a van, but when I looked at it, I realised it wasn’t him. It was smaller than his van.

“The man was parked in the lay-by outside the quarry gates. It’s only a few steps from where Jo’s body was found and is where all the flowers are now, next to the wall.

This is very accurate to where Joanna Yeates was found...  there is a gate oppsite... and not the one I have attached a picture of.....

The van had a square-type top and was fairly small, and white in colour. I described it later in detail to my husband and he said it sounded like a Citroën Berlingo or a Vauxhall Astramax.

“There was a man sitting in the driver’s seat with his elbow up on the window frame. But it was a left-hand drive which I thought was weird at the time.

“He was wearing a woolly hat, like a beanie, which was dark grey and knitted like a tea cosy. I couldn’t see what else he was wearing, and I only got a side view of him, but I would guess he was in his late twenties to early thirties.

She even give a discription.... This was never mentioned ..And if Joanna Yeates was Thawing as Andrew Mott says.. she could have been put on Longwood Lane nearer to when she was found!!!!!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cops-hunting-a-white-van-man-1694868

He wants people to think it's still CJ and as we now know Dr Vincent Tabak!!!!

There where so many other sites along the way........ Why not somewhere else??

Infact ... I'll still insist.. that statistically, a stranger moving a body from the scene of crime doesn't happen..... Let alone moving it several times....

Your trying to tell me... after being this calculating MURDERER that he decided not to think out where to leave the body?????

But I urge anyone in that car or any other driver in the Vicinity that night to come forward....
I know there was  large christmas functions taking place at Long Ashton Golf Club... Bristol and Clifton Golf Club...And Red Wood Lodge...

Again.... he's saying Friday the 17th Decemebr is the time...
Do NOT forget he thinks CJ did at this point still!!!!!!

So....... did she go to any of these events????? Nobody has said how she left the Flat ??

Lets look at where these places are in conjuction to where she was found on Longwood Lane ;

I've attached 2 pics... one is an ariel view of Longwood Lane and surrounding areas and the other is the opening at the other side of the quarry.. which has an entrance leading up to Ashton Court Golf Club...

The entrance is not too far away from where Joanna Yeates was found...!!!!!

I know the Policeman didn't mention this... But it's just as feasible that someone brought her down that way and not up/down Longwood Lane.... And did this on a completely different day!!!!

Detail surrounding the pizza and the Cider are relevant...... And I appreciate have been an on going interest..

He doesn't know where the pizza is....!!!!! But why is the CIDER relevant??????

It's because Mr Policeman hasn't told the general public, that a different cider to what Joanna Yeates purchased was found in the flat...

HEALEY"S cider 750ml  and a TATTINGER REIMS CHAMPAGNE CORK!!!!!!!!

The cider was never really made a big detail... it wasn't being looked for in the rubbish... So he definetaley knows the Cider in the Flat was not the cider she bought.........

AND.............. Nowhere in any statement or court apperance do the prosecution ask Dr Vincent Tabak about the bottle of HEALEY"S cider and the TATTINGER REIMS CHAMPAGNE CORK..........


How exactly do you explain these items Mr Policeman?????????????????

What I can tell you is we still haven't found the pizza, we have searched bins in the aarea and we are working through 292 tonnes of domestic rubbish seized in the vacinity....

This is a demonstration of the level of detail we are pursuing on this enquiry.....At this stage... It is not absolutley clear whether Jo had eaten the Pizza... We continue to work with experts to detemine this..... I can assure you we are determined to solve this crime and bring Jo's killers to justice

Is this an exerise in letting the public know your attention to detail..... What exactly would this pizza box have shown????

You would have no viable DNA on it... it would be contaminated with all of the other rubbish...
And if you didn't find a single FINGERPRINT of Dr Vincent Tabak in the Flat... then what are you expecting this Pizza Box to reveal....????

They do not reveal about the sock until the afternoon statement!!!!

What I can tell you is we still haven't found the pizza, we have searched bins in the aarea and we are working through 292 tonnes of domestic rubbish seized in the vacinity....

Now remember this quote and the date of the article....








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