Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs

[Mr Gray]

Obviously not impressed enough to allow her opinion to sway him to not allow the dog evidence.

obviously...but is the decision correct...if its later ruled not it could result in a mistrial

[Mr Gray]

Agreed but it seems to me everyone else thought along these lines other than Grime who it seems to me was happy for it to slip under the radar.  If this wasn't the case how come the PJ clearly misunderstood?

Grime advised the pj the alerts ahd no evidential reliability , its in the files. The PJ seemed to have ignored him.

You say everyone else thought along these lines...who exactly...those who didnt understand teh alerts like Pat Brown..
grime was clear..no evidential value...sceptics in general just wont accept what grime says

[Holly Goodhead]

What does this suggest then.

 Carpet squares were used as an odor transporting media after they had been contaminated with the scent of two recently deceased bodies (PMI<3h).

I would suggest "scent" in the above sentence is the operative word.

Carpet squares were used as an odor transporting media after they had been contaminated with the scent of two recently deceased bodies (PMI<3h). The contamination occurred for 2 min as well as 10 min without any direct contact between the carpet and the corpse.

[barrier]

Agreed but it seems to me everyone else thought along these lines other than Grime who it seems to me was happy for it to slip under the radar.  If this wasn't the case how come the PJ clearly misunderstood?

Did they though,don't look at it with hindsight,Harrison brought Grime in,Harrison said

In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.


Now with the PJ onlooking and the dogs alerting what else were they to think?

[barrier]

I would suggest "scent" in the above sentence is the operative word.

Carpet squares were used as an odor transporting media after they had been contaminated with the scent of two recently deceased bodies (PMI<3h). The contamination occurred for 2 min as well as 10 min without any direct contact between the carpet and the corpse.

Two recently deceased bodies would be a bigger clue,thats where the initial scent came from and to contaminate the square's must have been contaminated with something relating to those bodies.How else would they isolate the scent to contaminate the squares.

[Holly Goodhead]

Grime advised the pj the alerts ahd no evidential reliability , its in the files. The PJ seemed to have ignored him.

You say everyone else thought along these lines...who exactly...those who didnt understand teh alerts like Pat Brown..
grime was clear..no evidential value...sceptics in general just wont accept what grime says

Who exactly?  It was all over the British mainstream media and still is:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/how-sniffer-dogs-signalled-scent-14141404

[Holly Goodhead]

Did they though,don't look at it with hindsight,Harrison brought Grime in,Harrison said

In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.


Now with the PJ onlooking and the dogs alerting what else were they to think?

Yes they did misunderstand hence PJ only explored the possibility that someone had actually died in 5A as opposed to inanimate items carrying the odour that hadn't necessarily been in contact with a corpse but capable of contaminating the environment with the 'scent of death'. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Kate visited the church...the church hosted funerals...Kate could have sat on a contaminated church seat ...there are a myriad ways contamination could have occurred...it would be impossible to check them all out...thats why the alerts have no evidential value

Oh Davel we finally agree on something!

[Mr Gray]

the jufge may have allowed the cadaver dog evidence but there are a lot of judges in the US and im not sure how relaible they are...

abcnews.go.com/US/judge-dragged-courtroom-month-jail-sentence/story?id=64507658

[Robittybob1]

I would suggest "scent" in the above sentence is the operative word.

Carpet squares were used as an odor transporting media after they had been contaminated with the scent of two recently deceased bodies (PMI<3h). The contamination occurred for 2 min as well as 10 min without any direct contact between the carpet and the corpse.

Plastic layer between them.

[Holly Goodhead]

Plastic layer between them.

The following does not refer to a plastic layer?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51385143_Cadaver_dogs_-_A_study_on_detection_of_contaminated_carpet_squares

[Robittybob1]

The following does not refer to a plastic layer?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51385143_Cadaver_dogs_-_A_study_on_detection_of_contaminated_carpet_squares

I thought from a previous reading the carpet squares were originally in plastic bags.  The bags are then removed and then the dogs examine the carpet squares.  So the carpet wasn't in contact with the cadaver because there was a layer of plastic between the cadaver and the carpet.   

[Robittybob1]

The following does not refer to a plastic layer?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51385143_Cadaver_dogs_-_A_study_on_detection_of_contaminated_carpet_squares

Are you able to read the whole article or just the abstract?  I recall reading the whole article but the link just takes me to the abstract.

[Robittybob1]

PDF version http://pawsoflife.org/Library/HRD/Oesterhelweg%201998.pdf

[Holly Goodhead]

Are you able to read the whole article or just the abstract?  I recall reading the whole article but the link just takes me to the abstract.

I've only read the extract which imo isn't abstract 

Can you link me to the extract please?