Amaral and the dogs

[Mr Gray]

So what was Eddie alerting to?

Sausages

[slartibartfast]

we are told 85 mins for cadaver in situ to develop scent....again...why the cover up if an accident happened before 8.30

Madeleine was put to bed at 7pm.

[stephen25000]

Sausages

Was that a little weenie ?

[Eleanor]

Sausages

Pork or Beef?

[stephen25000]

Pork or Beef?

More likely chicken.

[Eleanor]

More likely chicken.

Chicken Sausages?  Good Lord.  Whatever next.

PS.  Don't reply to this post.  Thanks in advance.

[pegasus]

So which dogs were severely fatigued ?

Your continued attempts to dismiss the dogs and Grime, really shows desperation.

Next they'll be assuring us that Eddie's total lack of reliability was due to his being tired and fatigued out after a long woof (and probably pining for the yorkshire dales too).

[slartibartfast]

Next they'll be assuring us that Eddie's total lack of reliability was due to his being tired and fatigued out after a long woof (and probably pining for the yorkshire dales too).

Are you after an argument?

[stephen25000]

Next they'll be assuring us that Eddie's total lack of reliability was due to his being tired and fatigued out after a long woof (and probably pining for the yorkshire dales too).

 

[Mr Gray]

Next they'll be assuring us that Eddie's total lack of reliability was due to his being tired and fatigued out after a long woof (and probably pining for the yorkshire dales too).

Dogs are unable to sweat...how hot was it in PDL....Grime kept calling him back... It's a possibility Eddie had had enough according to the posted article

[pegasus]

Are you after an argument?

I already replied Slarti, why do you keep asking?

Back on topic - @dave1 actually dogs do sweat a little - but their main method of cooling down is panting.

[Anna]

Dogs do not sweat in the same way as humans.This is why so many muzzled dogs die in the heat……………………

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A dog's body temperature is controlled by her brain. When there are increases in outside temperatures or a dog is excited, stressed, or has been exercising, her body gets a signal from her brain to lose the extra body heat. In humans, this usually results in sweating.

Dogs do have some sweat glands, but they are much fewer than in humans and their skin is covered in fur, so this minimizes the amount of cooling the sweat can provide.
The most sweat glands in a dog are around her paw pads. You may see damp footprints from your dog walking on a hard surface in the summertime.



Panting is the most efficient way dogs have to cool themselves. It works by allowing heat from the hottest part of the body, the inner thorax, to escape through moisture produced by the mucous membranes of the tongue, mouth, and throat. The dog exhales the moist air, and the process of evaporation cools the dog.

If these processes cannot be performed or the body is overwhelmed and cannot cool itself enough, heat stroke and death may occur.

http://www.doghealth.com/how-and-why/how-dogs-sweat

[pegasus]

if Maddie had an accident and died between 5.30 and 8.30...no need for a cover up

Precisely.
Some might claim one can just squeeze 1hr25mins in by having that period start 8.35pm and end 10.00pm.
But that is ruled out by the 9.00pm visual shutter sighting and the 9.05pm visual child sighting.
Therefore it impossible to make any solution match the CSST minimum time (unless some critically stupid wrong assumption has been made by every investigator for 8 years).

[sadie]

To remind you, stephen, Eddie was not really a Cadavar Dog


In reality Eddie was a Forensic Search Dog .... or he should have been for the work he was doing. 



Forensic Search Dog (The primary focus of this paper)
A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; **** and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.****


But Eddie had previously been trained to be a Rescue and Decomp Dog

Decomp Dog
A term used to describe a canine that will indicate when a scent source is human tissue, blood, semen, urine, feces, and materials that have been handled and worn by humans; often cross trained for other purposes.


Once a dog has been trained to alert to something, that cannot be unlearned.  He cannot be deconditioned.

So Eddie alerts

1)  to blood, semen, urine, feces etc. from living humans and materials that have been worn by living humans

2)  to scent sources from decomposed human tissue

3)  And he was trained on pig carcases.
So as davel says to pork sausages.   Also to bacon sarnies, and pork sarnies

ETA He cannot be detrained, so he will alert to pork in any form


With thanks to Lace and http://csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

[G-Unit]

To remind you, stephen, Eddie was not really a Cadavar Dog


In reality Eddie was a Forensic Search Dog .... or he should have been for the work he was doing. 



Forensic Search Dog (The primary focus of this paper)
A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; **** and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.****


But Eddie had previously been trained to be a Rescue and Decomp Dog

Decomp Dog
A term used to describe a canine that will indicate when a scent source is human tissue, blood, semen, urine, feces, and materials that have been handled and worn by humans; often cross trained for other purposes.


Once a dog has been trained to alert to something, that cannot be unlearned.  He cannot be deconditioned.

So Eddie alerts

1)  to blood, semen, urine, feces etc. from living humans and materials that have been worn by living humans

2)  to scent sources from decomposed human tissue

3)  And he was trained on pig carcases.
So as davel says to pork sausages.   Also to bacon sarnies, and pork sarnies[/b]


With thanks to Lace and http://csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

That is so wrong it's quite amusing;

The importance of this is that the dog is
introduced to the scent of a decomposing body NOT FOODSTUFF. This
ensures that the dog disregards the 'bacon sandwich' and 'kebab' etc that is
ever present in the background environment. Therefore the dog would
remain efficient searching for a cadaver in a café where the clientele were sat
eating bacon sandwiches
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm