Amaral and the dogs

[stephen25000]

amaral was not hypothesising...that's a mistake many make....he claimed to be able to prove maddie died in the apartment

Accidental death has not been disproved.

We know Redwood said, she may not have left the apartment alive.

[Mr Gray]

One can't really be sure, can one?

The police will have made a judgement on this and it appears both the Portuguese and SY accept the McCanns are telling the truth. Combine that with all the available evidence. Combine that with the fact that there is no realistic scenario for death in the apartment and the parents are ruled out. That looks exactly what has happened.
No one has come up with  a realistic scenario for death in the apartment in the time frame. Amaral's falling off the sofa is completely ridiculous

[stephen25000]

The police will have made a judgement on this and it appears both the Portuguese and SY accept the McCanns are telling the truth. Combine that with all the available evidence. Combine that with the fact that there is no realistic scenario for death in the apartment and the parents are ruled out. That looks exactly what has happened.
No one has come up with  a realistic scenario for death in the apartment in the time frame. Amaral's falling off the sofa is completely ridiculous

Ah mccann mantra time.

There is no evidence that SY have ever questioned as witnesses or otherwise, either the mccanns or the rest of the group.

As to accidental death, quite possible.

Children do have fatal accidents, which can lead to death directly, or after a delay.

[ferryman]

Still waiting ferryman for an answerr,are you asserting Grime is a liar?

Well, let's see.

According to Amaral, Eddie was involved in operational deployment and over 200 cases.  An FOI answer by SYP confirms the true number to be operational deployment and 37 cases.

We can't really judge Grime's claim to be in post with SYP when he wrote his profile, because it is undated.

But certainly he was freelance when he went to PdL.

[Brietta]

Well, let's see.

According to Amaral, Eddie was involved in operational deployment and over 200 cases.  An FOI answer by SYP confirms the true number to be operational deployment and 37 cases.

We can't really judge Grime's claim to be in post with SYP when he wrote his profile, because it is undated.

But certainly he was freelance when he went to PdL.

3.10.11

• We now deal with the introduction of Martin GRIME and his Enhanced
  Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD) to Operation Rectangle. Operation
  Haven has established through enquiry with the NPIA, that
  Martin GRIME was an ACPO accredited dog handler whilst he was a
  serving police officer, but forfeited accreditation upon his retirement in
  July 2007. We mentioned that Mr GRIME remains on the ACPO
  accredited list of experts though his EVRD is no longer accredited by
  ACPO. Whilst Martin GRIME’s original contract to Jersey was for five
  days, his actual deployment lasted for 130 days.

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20WiltshireOperationHavenRedacted%2020081112%20JN.pdf

[Alfred R Jones]

One can't really be sure, can one?

One can be sure the police don't think so otherwise they would be suspects. They are not suspects, as I'm sure you agree.

[Mr Gray]

The fact that SY declared the McCanns not suspects is evidence that they believe them

[stephen25000]

The fact that SY declared the McCanns not suspects is evidence that they believe them

Very clever policing, since they have never stated they stated they have interviewed any of the group or the mccanns themselves.

i.e. It was never an open investigation.

[Benice]

Ah mccann mantra time.

There is no evidence that SY have ever questioned as witnesses or otherwise, either the mccanns or the rest of the group.

As to accidental death, quite possible.

Children do have fatal accidents, which can lead to death directly, or after a delay.

What kind of evidence would you expect to see?  Do tell.

[ferryman]

3.10.11

• We now deal with the introduction of Martin GRIME and his Enhanced
  Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD) to Operation Rectangle. Operation
  Haven has established through enquiry with the NPIA, that
  Martin GRIME was an ACPO accredited dog handler whilst he was a
  serving police officer, but forfeited accreditation upon his retirement in
  July 2007. We mentioned that Mr GRIME remains on the ACPO
  accredited list of experts though his EVRD is no longer accredited by
  ACPO. Whilst Martin GRIME’s original contract to Jersey was for five
  days, his actual deployment lasted for 130 days.

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20WiltshireOperationHavenRedacted%2020081112%20JN.pdf

Ah!

That is also the report that confirms, much more convincingly than tabloid newspapers, that Eddie alerted to a coconut .[/list]

[Brietta]

The fact that SY declared the McCanns not suspects is evidence that they believe them

I am puzzled by the notion put about that Scotland Yard launched the reopening of Madeleine McCann's case without first interviewing the relevant people within their jurisdiction at the review stage and going over their recollections of May 2007.

Including British holidaymakers who were there; those who gave a statement at the time and those who did not.

Police professionals who were in Praia da Luz on duty including the liaison officers who spent time with the McCann family and who had first hand professional experience of the investigation at its most critical phase; as well as Martin Grime and Mark Harrison.

[stephen25000]

What kind of evidence would you expect to see?  Do tell.

How about for a start SY, openly saying they had questioned all of them on the events of May the 3 rd and after ???

[stephen25000]

Ah!

That is also the report that confirms, much more convincingly than tabloid newspapers, that Eddie alerted to a coconut .[/list]

and secondary transfer.

Now, did deaths occur at the childrens home ?

[Benice]

How about for a start SY, openly saying they had questioned all of them on the events of May the 3 rd and after ???

Maybe SY thought that would be insulting the intelligence of any reasonable member of the GBP - who would automatically expect SY to carry out the premier requirement of any police force in these cases.  I.E. First of all investigate the family and friends of the victim in order to rule them in or out of the enquiry.

The alternative - i.e. SY just took their word for it that it wasn't them 'wot dunnit'  - and immediately publicly ruled them out of the enquiry - is just too daft for words IMO.

 

[stephen25000]

Maybe SY thought that would be insulting the intelligence of any reasonable member of the GBP - who would automatically expect SY to carry out the premier requirement of any police force in these cases.  I.E. First of all investigate the family and friends of the victim in order to rule them in or out of the enquiry.

The alternative - i.e. SY just took their word for it that it wasn't them 'wot dunnit'  - and immediately publicly ruled them out of the enquiry - is just too daft for words IMO.

They have never stated it.

It wouldn't have taken much, would it ?

As for '..too daft for words..'

Well, that is one of your stock phrases.