Amaral and the dogs

[Alice Purjorick]

Or was Eddie a Forensic search dog -

Forensic Search Dog (The primary focus of this paper)
 A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.

Eddie wasn't one these then was he?
After all he alerted to sea bass, nappies and practically everything under the sun that he wasn't trained to alert to, sniffed things for reward or because he was bored and wanted to go home or because he was primed like Clever Hans; or was that Keela?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UiSMyyj-Ac

[Lace]

Eddie wasn't one these then was he?
After all he alerted to sea bass, nappies and practically everything under the sun that he wasn't trained to alert to, sniffed things for reward or because he was bored and wanted to go home or because he was primed like Clever Hans; or was that Keela?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UiSMyyj-Ac

No he wasn't as Grime said he was an 'Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog'.

[Alfred R Jones]

Nothing official forthcoming from anywhere that you know of then?

I'm asking you who do you think would have issued an official censure?  Is there a governing body of Cadaver Dog Handlers or something?

[Eleanor]

Poor old Eddie.  A good dog.  I feel really sorry for him.

[G-Unit]

Poor old Eddie.  A good dog.  I feel really sorry for him.

He has taken some flak, but he hasn't been proved wrong yet.

[Lace]

Anyone know what Martin Grime means when he says 'Enhanced'   as in 'Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog'   as how he trains the dogs is  confidential.

[Lace]

He has taken some flak, but he hasn't been proved wrong yet.

I have no doubt he was a good victim recovery dog,  he could sniff out blood that's for sure.   If there was a body to find I am sure he would find it.

In Madeleine's case though there was no body and I don't believe there was sufficient time for there to have been cadaver scent.

[Carana]

Anyone know what Martin Grime means when he says 'Enhanced'   as in 'Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog'   as how he trains the dogs is  confidential.

Possibly through having sniffed human remains at the Body Farm (if he ever visited).

And, quite possibly, through gauze pads of human cadaver scent presumably sent through the post (if that idea ever took off suffiiciently to offer regular train opportunities).

The enhanced
training of the dog has also involved the use of collection of 'cadaver scent'
odor from human corpses using remote technical equipment which does not
contact the subject. This method is comparable to the simulation of cross
contamination. It does however differ in that the remote scent samples
recovery does not involve subject matter and therefore is a 'pure' scent
sample. The dog has since initial training gained considerable experience in
successfully operationally locating human remains and evidential forensic
material.

[Mr Gray]

so does anyone know of a case where eddie did not alert

[Anna]

I don’t think that blame should be laid at anyone’s feet….. We don’t know what caused the alerts by the dog.

Eddie’s alerts:
IMO, The only choices are:-

1. The scent was left there (wardrobe) during the weeks before the dog’s inspection.
 
How?


2. False alert

Always possible.


3. True alert to a cadaver scent left in the wardrobe.

But how did the scent avoid the Payne’s apartment and the apartment that the McCanns stayed in (with these clothes) before the Villa?


4. X contamination via cleaners, police and many other possibilities

Since the scent didn’t follow them to Payne’s or the other apartment, Would it not have had to be introduced to the wardrobe, after they stayed in 5A and the other apartments?
However we then we find the dog alerted to clothing at the Villa???


5. An item in the possession of the McCann family, with a close resemblance to, or part of the formula 
    of Cadaverine/putriscine that may have  X-contaminated the wardrobe and clothing.

So what could this be ?

6. Unconscious cueing.


Please add what I  have most probably missed.

…………………….

It would be interesting to see what a cadaver dog found of interest in the McCanns present home.

The previous occupants of 5A should have been checked by the dogs as well around the time the dog inspections were being carried out.
 I am sure they would have used the wardrobe and therefore, should have the scent on their clothing.
If not………………………………....

[ferryman]

Did Grime ever state that he thought that it was Madeleine's blood? I don't recall that.

Both dogs alerted to the key card (last used by the PT police driving it to the inspection venue unless a tow truck was involved throughout the process).

AFAIK, it was Amaral who made a song and dance about the (in)significant results.

They were looking for Madeleine's blood.

Nothing else ....

[stephen25000]

They were looking for Madeleine's blood.

Nothing else ....

Well they suspected she was dead.

[Carana]

so does anyone know of a case where eddie did not alert

Interesting question...

[G-Unit]

I have no doubt he was a good victim recovery dog,  he could sniff out blood that's for sure.   If there was a body to find I am sure he would find it.

In Madeleine's case though there was no body and I don't believe there was sufficient time for there to have been cadaver scent.

Depends what time a death occurred.

[G-Unit]

Interesting question...

In the McCann case there were loads of places where Eddie didn't alert.