Amaral and the dogs

[mercury]

the archiving report....and Redwood stating they are not suspects

The archiving report did not clear them, that is false, and Redwoods statement was taken out of context...and you have no idea if he was not just "sound biting want to hear words"....I mean, what has he achieved exactly? Zero.

No one has "cleared" the Mccanns, all that happened is the case was shelved and their Arguido status removed as part of that process

[mercury]

Oh come on.

There were no alerts to any clothes.

A dog barked and picked stuff up in its mouth.

Grime says Eddie won't bark unless he finds the scent he's been trained on...dead bodies...he barked...

I will leave this thread for now as I feel I am hogging it...good luck

[Lyall]

Of course they were to know that.  How much time elapsed between events of May 3rd and the McCanns moving into the villa?

You don't seriously think anyone would countenance the McCanns smuggling a (dead!) Madeleine into the villa they rented several days after May 3rd, do you?

Or that a (dead) Madeleine might have been smuggled somewhere in a car hired 3 weeks after May 3rd?

That's absurd.

It's part of their job to think the unthinkable. They'll have seen, heard of or read of weirder. Much weirder.

[mercury]

don't forget eddie alerting to cadaver in the car...used to transport the dead maddie...but he didn't...amaral got everything back to front again

my last post on this thread tonight....finding cadaver scent contaminant in a car does not have to mean a body was transported in it, keep up old chum, you might learn something

[Mr Gray]

The archiving report did not clear them, that is false, and Redwoods statement was taken out of context...and you have no idea if he was not just "sound biting want to hear words"....I mean, what has he achieved exactly? Zero.

No one has "cleared" the Mccanns, all that happened is the case was shelved and their Arguido status removed as part of that process

never used the word clear....you don't like it but the mccanns have been ruled out...anyone who does not realise that is seriously deluded

[Mr Gray]

my last post on this thread tonight....finding cadaver scent contaminant in a car does not have to mean a body was transported in it, keep up old chum, you might learn something

there was no cadaver scent in the car

[ferryman]

harrison brought in the dogs to investigate maddies murder...

In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.

the pj used the dogs to investigate the parents... this was not Harrisons idea

Right.

And what you quote also illustrates that no one considered the McCanns' rented villa as a possible resting-place for a (dead) Madeleine.

[Mr Gray]

Grime says Eddie won't bark unless he finds the scent he's been trained on...dead bodies...he barked...

I will leave this thread for now as I feel I am hogging it...good luck

obviously not true...he alerts to blood...you haven't got  a clue..

[Brietta]

You said nothng about Grime's comments pertaining to the garage, if you had done I wouldn't have responded with the words I did (ie that the only place he said in his opinion Eddie may have been alerting to cadaver scent OR blood)


Cite? morse was being trained in the UK in 2008, and as we are told, training on human bodies is illegal.



 
If death banding had been looked for, they would have signified more, but the PJs's request seems to have been ignored by the UK

 
Martin Grime states that in his professional opinion the alerts were suggestive of cadaver scent, it is not somethng plucked out of "sceptics unbenevolent" heads.

Which book? Surely not Amaral's? The news about the cadaver dog alerts was in the public domain and under discussion in the summer of 2007 a whole year before he published his book.


No, an alert gives an indication of something, not the same, two different things. The indication, given by the EVRD dog's alerts, (and yes there are other EVRDs in use by police in the UK according to the BBC at least) in Grime's  own words, is to cadaver scent contaminant. (Or blood - the latter only in the case of the garage searches)
Unconfirmed indications have been described as legitimate cause for concern/suspicion, not much else on their own, but indications remain intelligence/circumstantial evidence.
Dismiss - treat as unworthy...where's your evidence he did any more than just state what the PJ exercises were

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4508.15


Why do you feel the need to continuously break forum rules, being derogatory and calling people fools, stupid, uneducated, with poor understanding, and so on? Just wondering.

Think about it very carefully.

Hair does not grow post mortem ~ it is already dead. 
Only that part of the hair which was alive at the moment of death can 'die'.  That is the root.  Which is why I mentioned 'root' in my post and the lack of which may be why the PJ request was "ignored".


Although it has been generally accepted within the forensic hair community that decompositional changes in the form of an identifiable banding pattern can occur in the root area of hairs after death, little detailed information with regard to this phenomenon is known(e.g., rates at which this occurs and conditions that cause this banding).
http://www.academia.edu/11721363/Taphonomy_of_Hair_A_Study_of_Postmortem_Root_Banding

[mercury]

Think about it very carefully.

Hair does not grow post mortem ~ it is already dead. 
Only that part of the hair which was alive at the moment of death can 'die'.  That is the root.  Which is why I mentioned 'root' in my post and the lack of which may be why the PJ request was "ignored".


Although it has been generally accepted within the forensic hair community that decompositional changes in the form of an identifiable banding pattern can occur in the root area of hairs after death, little detailed information with regard to this phenomenon is known(e.g., rates at which this occurs and conditions that cause this banding).
http://www.academia.edu/11721363/Taphonomy_of_Hair_A_Study_of_Postmortem_Root_Banding

Noted, now, awaiting the response to my other questions especially, or only so not to labour, the cite for Morse being trained ONLY on humans, in your own time

[pegasus]

harrison brought in the dogs to investigate maddies murder...

In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.

the pj used the dogs to investigate the parents... this was not Harrisons idea

"In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination......."

If you read on you will find these locations within zone 1 which MH recommends searching again more thoroughly  are listed. And in that list we find ...

"The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present"

These are MH's words, not Amaral's.

[Brietta]

Noted, now, awaiting the response to my other questions especially, or only so not to labour, the cite for Morse being trained ONLY on humans, in your own time

Go back and read my original post in its entirety which you failed to do first time round and see where you went wrong.

If you contend Morse was trained on pig ... fine by me.

[ferryman]

"In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination......."

If you read on you will find these locations within zone 1 which MH recommends searching again more thoroughly  are listed. And in that list we find ...

"The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present"

These are MH's words, not Amaral's.

True.

But look at Harrison's terms of reference.

He worked to those.

[mercury]

Go back and read my original post in its entirety which you failed to do first time round and see where you went wrong.

If you contend Morse was trained on pig ... fine by me.

No, you stated Morse was trained solely on humans, it's up to YOU go back this assertion up

YOUR post 4241 (as it stands now just in case there are any deletions subsequent to this post)

[pegasus]

True.

But look at Harrison's terms of reference.

He worked to those.

Nowhere do his terms of reference state he must select that apartment for EVRD search.
It was he who selected it, not Amaral.