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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5265 on: September 10, 2015, 11:55:53 AM »
Dogs don't have an agenda.

They are trained to respond to certain stimuli.

These dogs did. 8)-)))

Grime doesn't say that..you are perpetuating lies

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5266 on: September 10, 2015, 11:57:21 AM »
The FSS got two matches in the area, one from the forensics chappie under the tile, thus presumably deposited after the tile was lifted, and another from on top of a tile.  The spot on top of the tile matched Madeleine (according to the FSS) but in miniscule quantity and not tested for or identified as blood.

Gonçalo was speculating as to what might have happened re alerts and some DNA from Madeleine.

it wasn't a match for Maddie

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5267 on: September 10, 2015, 12:04:28 PM »
Grime doesn't say that..you are perpetuating lies


What I typed is not a lie.

 

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5268 on: September 10, 2015, 12:07:02 PM »
Dogs don't have an agenda.

They are trained to respond to certain stimuli.

These dogs did. 8)-)))

that is a lie




stephen25000

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5269 on: September 10, 2015, 12:09:24 PM »


Try giving a logical and  coherent reply.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2015, 12:13:35 PM by stephen25000 »

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5270 on: September 10, 2015, 12:12:39 PM »
it wasn't a match for Maddie

According to Lowe -

"An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid."
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5271 on: September 10, 2015, 12:13:11 PM »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5272 on: September 10, 2015, 12:14:36 PM »
According to Lowe -

"An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid."

that doesn't mean it is a match for maddie


ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5273 on: September 10, 2015, 12:14:58 PM »


Why could Eddie "detect" an odour on cuddle cat only after it had been hidden, not while he could sniff it, pick it up and play with it?

Would could Eddie "detect" an odour on clothing in the gym he could find no trace of when the same clothing was in the villa?

Is it good practice for dogs to trample all over stuff being examined for (for possible) forensic significance?

Or for a dog to pick stuff up in its mouth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5274 on: September 10, 2015, 12:16:17 PM »

Try giving a logical and  coherent reply.

anyone who says the dogs alerted to cadaver is telling a lie....the dogs may have alerted to cadaver is the truth

stephen25000

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5275 on: September 10, 2015, 12:19:34 PM »
Why could Eddie "detect" an odour on cuddle cat only after it had been hidden, not while he could sniff it, pick it up and play with it?

Would could Eddie "detect" an odour on clothing in the gym he could find no trace of when the same clothing was in the villa?

Is it good practice for dogs to trample all over stuff being examined for (for possible) forensic significance?

Or for a dog to pick stuff up in its mouth?

I see you are now trying to be an expert in forensics.

Do you have any academic  qualifications in science. I'm not asking for personal details. Just a generic inquiry ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5276 on: September 10, 2015, 12:21:27 PM »
I see you are now trying to be an expert in forensics.

Do you have any academic  qualifications in science. I'm not asking for personal details. Just a generic inquiry ?

are you an expert in forensics...on what authority do you claim eddie alerted to cadaver when Grime cannot confirm that
« Last Edit: September 10, 2015, 12:36:44 PM by davel »

Offline Anna

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5277 on: September 10, 2015, 12:39:24 PM »
According to Lowe -

"An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid."

Firstly, here are the last three results you are expecting

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive, it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid.

There is no evidence to support the view that Madeline McCann contributed DNA to the swab 3B

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. Within the DNA profile of Madeline McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. At one of the areas of DNA we routinely examine Madeline has inherited the same DNA component from both parents; this appears therefore as 1 peak rather than 2, hence 19 rather than 20. Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37
components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contnbutors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/conclusion.

Why?...

Well, lets look at the question that is being asked

"Is there DNA from Madeline on the swab?"

It would be very simple to say "yes" simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.

What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine and legitimate; because Madeline has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeline merely appears to match the result by chance. The individual components in Madeline's profile are not unique to her, it is the specific combination of 19 components that makes her profile unique above all others
. Elements of Madeline's profile are also present within the the profiles of many of the scientists here in Birmingham, myself included. It's important to stress that 50% of Madeline's profile will be shared with each parent. It is not possible, in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. Namely, we cannot separate the components out into 3 individual DNA profiles.

Therefore, we cannot answer the question: is the match genuine or is a chance match.

The same applies to any result that is quoted as being too complex for meaningful inclusion/interpretation

What questions will we never be able to answer with LCN DNA profiling?

When was the DNA deposited?
How was the DNA deposited?
What body fluid(s) does the DNA originate from?
Was a crime committed?

These, along with all other results, will be formalised in a final report

Please don't hesitate to contact me if you require any further assistance

kind regards
John
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5278 on: September 10, 2015, 01:04:54 PM »
Any chance of us all getting back and sticking with the topic? Please.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5279 on: September 10, 2015, 01:11:15 PM »
Grimes OPINION was that Eddie alerted to cadaver scent contamination in the bedroom,   well that's just his opinion isn't it,   nothing factual.

The opinion of the man who trained dogs for years and who worked with Eddie for years, so an informed opinion, not 'just' an opinion.
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