The Defence Will State Their Case

[nina]

Nine I haven't read all of your horrendously long post, but if you don't understand things why don't you contact the people who do, like Avon and Somerset Police?

You won't though will you. You don't do debate and you never contact the people who know these things, you haven't even tried to find out which prison VT is in to ask him questions. Not that I think he would answer you.

You really ought to stop all of this. As posters have said you are disrespectable to all the people you drag up for your posts.

[Real justice]

Nine I haven't read all of your horrendously long post, but if you don't understand things why don't you contact the people who do, like Avon and Somerset Police?

You won't though will you. You don't do debate and you never contact the people who know these things, you haven't even tried to find out which prison VT is in to ask him questions. Not that I think he would answer you.

You really ought to stop all of this. As posters have said you are disrespectable to all the people you drag up for your posts.

Makes you wonder Nina why anyone wants to be on Facebook, you have people like Billy trolling or Lurking with nothing better to do.  Goes against what Facebook is supposed to be about, reconnecting friends and finding friends.  I feel sorry for these unsuspecting people Billy keeps posting on here.  Scandalous really, if only they knew.

[nina]

Makes you wonder Nina why anyone wants to be on Facebook, you have people like Billy trolling or Lurking with nothing better to do.  Goes against what Facebook is supposed to be about, reconnecting friends and finding friends.  I feel sorry for these unsuspecting people Billy keeps posting on here.  Scandalous really, if only they knew.


Perhaps some of them do RJ. I have often thought that one day the law will change and people like Nine had better watch out!

Christopher Jefferies has form for suing and I do hope he has a go at some of the slurs that have been posted about him, nine years after the event.

Personally I do not `do' Facebook, Twitter and the rest.  Call me old school but I do things face to face or on the `phone.

[Caroline]

* I was trying to question why a man has gone to trial apparently guilty only to be found more guiltier....  Because he pleased guilty to manslaughter and he was tried for MURDER!

* I am trying to understand , where the evidence lead to it being Dr Vincent Tabak.... He confessed! They had DNA!

* I am trying to understand why thing do not add up... They DO!

* I am trying to understand why witness's were not called... because he CONFESSED TO KILLING HER!

* I am trying to understand why no-one stood in support of Dr Vincent Tabak... Why would they? Most people would defend a person like Tabak - MOST PEOPLE!

* I am trying to understand why the CCTV of Canygne Road for Friday 17th December 2010 was not shown to the
   jury Because he CONFESSED!

* I am trying to understand why CJ's second witness statement is such a secret is it?

* I am trying to understand where the time stamp went to... ?

* I am trying to understand why Colin Port state that The HopHouse Pub, was the last CCTV images of Joanna
  yeates No idea but not relevant give CONFESSED!

* I am trying to understand by which method Joanna Yeates arrived home seeing  the Hophouse pub is the last
   sighting She walked

* I am trying to understand, why evidence bags were taken from Peter Stanleys house No idea but not relevant given that Tabak CONFESSED

* I am trying to understand, why Tanja Morson was not in court because sh didn't want to be associated with a perverted killer!

* I am trying to understand why The Defence helped (imo) bury their client - They didn't have much scope given that he confessed and had been viewing violent porn before murdering Joanna

* I am trying to understand, why the media stay silent - stay silent? According to you, the whole thing is media led!

* I am trying to understand why no-one speaks of this case because most people KNOW he's guilty!

* I am trying to understand, the motive for this attack - perversion!

* I am trying to understand , how one person can carry a dead body so many times.... Really?

* I am trying to understand why Dr Vincent Tabak would take  the body around to his house.... Really?

* I am trying to understand why he didn't just leave her in situ and close the door... Need to ask him that!

* I am trying to understand why no body fluids were found in Joanna Yeates Flat - what kind of body fluids and why would there be body fluids?

* I am trying to understand why no body fluids were found in Dr Vincent Tabaks Flat because he wrapped her body. Not sure what fluids you think there would be?

* I am trying to understand why a flat doesn't look frozen in time.... that makes no sense

* I am trying to understand how tiles came be painted, in a flat frozen in time, nor dose this

* I am trying to understand why you need so many fire engines to recover a person from a grass verge... nor this

* I am trying to understand, why Dr Vincent Tabak appeared at The Old Bailey Where would you like him to appear? The Palladium?

* I am trying to understand, why the head of the complex case unit saw a simple murder through to the bitter end.. This you should be able to understand - you have no part in it yet can't stop prattling on about it! He of course had a reason! He wanted to see the sick perverted Tabak behind bars for murdering a young beautiful woman and destroying the lives of her family and friends! Whats your excuse?

That's as far as I am going with this reply. Lost the will to live getting this far!

[APRIL]

That's as far as I am going with this reply. Lost the will to live getting this far!

Sterling effort, Caroline, which I fear will fall on deaf ears. It, aka "..." appears to be carried away by their own rhetoric.

[nina]

A question.

This forum is for debate on MOJs. The rules are that we are not supposed to be offensive or
abusive to other posters but not to the dead or their families?

We have one prolific poster, ....... who is and has been very offensive about the victim Joanna
Yeates and her family, also Christopher Jefferies and all who dared talk to the media
or posted on Facebook etc., way back in 2010/2011.

Now considering that this is not a MOJ, how come that ...... can be very offensive to people who
are not on this forum?

Also ...... will not reply or debate to other posters, but just posts another long, long post about
something that is nothing to do with VT, the only subject ..... will not post about.

John has repeatedly asked ...... not to post these long posts, but is ignored, as are the rest of us.

One rule for one and not the majority.

So how does this work mrswah?

[mrswah]

A question.

This forum is for debate on MOJs. The rules are that we are not supposed to be offensive or
abusive to other posters but not to the dead or their families?

We have one prolific poster, ....... who is and has been very offensive about the victim Joanna
Yeates and her family, also Christopher Jefferies and all who dared talk to the media
or posted on Facebook etc., way back in 2010/2011.

Now considering that this is not a MOJ, how come that ...... can be very offensive to people who
are not on this forum?

Also ...... will not reply or debate to other posters, but just posts another long, long post about
something that is nothing to do with VT, the only subject ..... will not post about.

John has repeatedly asked ...... not to post these long posts, but is ignored, as are the rest of us.

One rule for one and not the majority.

So how does this work mrswah?

As a moderator, I cannot get into arguments, but I am not going to ignore your question either!

MOJ forums, by their nature, are likely  to upset  the families of victims, I'm afraid, but then I doubt if many of the families read them.

I cannot be sure that VT's conviction is not a miscarriage of justice: even if he was guilty of manslaughter, it would be an MOJ, as he was convicted of murder. On the other hand, I have always conceded that I might be wrong. That is the best I can do!

Over the last few weeks, I have become very unhappy at the direction the forum is taking------for a number of reasons.  It was only yesterday that I asked John for advice, and I am awaiting his reply.

[[...]]

Lets stop this now...

Remove all of my posts thank you.. And remove my account ... thank you

I do not wish to get into a discussion about this final decision, ... thank you

[nina]

Thank you for your generic reply mrswah, but you haven't addressed the points I was raising.

One being, how far is a poster allowed to go about people who are not on this forum, but victims of a terrible event. I can give you a cite on one which I found way beyond the pale, but you may want to PM me on that one.

I see no argument and I don't have one with this poster, just the way that .......... is allowed to flout, as I see it, the rules of the forum, if so can I do it too?

I can go on but wont, I would appreciate an answer to the points that I've raised though.

[APRIL]

Lets stop this now...

Remove all of my posts thank you.. And remove my account ... thank you

I do not wish to get into a discussion about this final decision, ... thank you

Why make others responsible? Take responsibility for your own behaviour and stop posting instead of teasing with the promise.

[Caroline]

Lets stop this now...

Remove all of my posts thank you.. And remove my account ... thank you

I do not wish to get into a discussion about this final decision, ... thank you

Lets stop this now?  Remove all of my posts? How many times have you said that now? Only to return with more reams of self indulgent bollocks! You don't wish to get into a 'discussion' about anything - you can't discuss or debate. You ask questions and people give up their time to answer, an answer which you just ignore. I don't understand the point of your posts at all. Initially, I thought you might be genuine (if a little naive), now I think you're posts are nothing more than attention seeking and they are more about you than Vincent Tabak or Jo Yeates!

[Caroline]

As a moderator, I cannot get into arguments, but I am not going to ignore your question either!

MOJ forums, by their nature, are likely  to upset  the families of victims, I'm afraid, but then I doubt if many of the families read them.

I cannot be sure that VT's conviction is not a miscarriage of justice: even if he was guilty of manslaughter, it would be an MOJ, as he was convicted of murder. On the other hand, I have always conceded that I might be wrong. That is the best I can do!

Over the last few weeks, I have become very unhappy at the direction the forum is taking------for a number of reasons.  It was only yesterday that I asked John for advice, and I am awaiting his reply.

I agree with your point that because of the nature of the discussion, loved ones are likely to be upset. However, there is a big difference between being upset by the nature of the discussion and someone being totally disrespectful. Jo Yeates lost her life when she was murdered, all that's left is her memory and when even that is disregarded as 'fake news' or her name twisted into idiotic abbreviations which have nothing to do with the case (and more to do with a certain posters need for attention), then it's a step too far IMO.

[Real justice]

As a moderator, I cannot get into arguments, but I am not going to ignore your question either!

MOJ forums, by their nature, are likely  to upset  the families of victims, I'm afraid, but then I doubt if many of the families read them.

I cannot be sure that VT's conviction is not a miscarriage of justice: even if he was guilty of manslaughter, it would be an MOJ, as he was convicted of murder. On the other hand, I have always conceded that I might be wrong. That is the best I can do!

Over the last few weeks, I have become very unhappy at the direction the forum is taking------for a number of reasons.  It was only yesterday that I asked John for advice, and I am awaiting his reply.

Oh come on, when someone talks none sense suggesting that Tabak and Joanna or Tabak and CJ could be related or Tabak could have been in Holland on the day of the murders, that is trolling and taking the mick.  He’s nothing but disruptive and on purpose causing other posters to follow suit spoiling debate.

[Caroline]

Oh come on, when someone talks none sense suggesting that Tabak and Joanna or Tabak and CJ could be related or Tabak could have been in Holland on the day of the murders, that is trolling and taking the mick.  He’s nothing but disruptive and on purpose causing other posters to follow suit spoiling debate.

Plus there was certainly some ramping up last week.

[mrswah]

Oh come on, when someone talks none sense suggesting that Tabak and Joanna or Tabak and CJ could be related or Tabak could have been in Holland on the day of the murders, that is trolling and taking the mick.  He’s nothing but disruptive and on purpose causing other posters to follow suit spoiling debate.

Nobody is causing other posters to "follow suit and spoil the debate" apart from the other posters themselves, IMO.

If you think someone is talking nonsense, the best thing is to ignore them, and start a debate of your own!!