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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Luke Mitchell and the murder of his teenage girfriend Jodi Jones on 30 June 2003. => Topic started by: John on March 04, 2012, 03:53:43 AM

Title: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: John on March 04, 2012, 03:53:43 AM
Jodi Jones was a 14 year-old schoolgirl who was murdered near her home at Easthouses,
Scotland on 30 June 2003.  Jones had gone out to meet her boyfriend, Luke Mitchell, then
also 14.   Her naked body was found six hours later hidden behind a high wall in a wooded
area bordering Roan's Dyke footpath, a well-known local short cut running between the
villages of Easthouses and Newbattle near Edinburgh.


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Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: John on July 01, 2012, 03:27:20 AM
Just a reminder that it has been 9 years since Jodi was murdered on 30 June 2003.

RIP Jodi Jones.


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Jodi's grave sits alongside that of her father Jimmy who died in 1998.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: John on July 01, 2012, 03:32:06 AM
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Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: John on July 01, 2012, 03:33:49 AM
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Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on November 21, 2015, 01:26:26 PM
Reading some posts on Blue sparked my interest in this case.  My case knowledge is near zero so have no views whatsoever on innocence or guilt of Luke Mitchell but one thing struck me from my limited reading: the murder of Jodi Jones happened 9 days before the 5th anniverary of her father's (Jimmy Jones) suicide.  Is this just a tragic coincidence, event and timing, or are the two events connected?

1. Was Jimmy Jones death definitely suicide?  What were the circumstances?

2. If it was suicide did he have a history of suicide ideation/depression?

3. If yes to 2 above what was the cause(s)?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on November 27, 2015, 06:46:16 PM
Reading some posts on Blue sparked my interest in this case.  My case knowledge is near zero so have no views whatsoever on innocence or guilt of Luke Mitchell but one thing struck me from my limited reading: the murder of Jodi Jones happened 9 days before the 5th anniverary of her father's (Jimmy Jones) suicide.  Is this just a tragic coincidence, event and timing, or are the two events connected?

1. Was Jimmy Jones death definitely suicide?  What were the circumstances?

2. If it was suicide did he have a history of suicide ideation/depression?

3. If yes to 2 above what was the cause(s)?

Reading some of today's posts on Blue it appears Jodie was grounded leading up to the date of the anniversary of her father's death.  Again as per my post above was this a coincidence or something else? 
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on November 27, 2015, 07:21:42 PM
I see the father's (Jimmy Jones) suicide was as a result of hanging from a tree in their garden.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401673._apos_A_truly_evil_murder___you_will_rightly_be_regarded_as_wicked_apos__Lucy_Bannerman_finds_how_a_teenage_love_of_music_and_rebellion_ende

Difficult to see how foul play could be involved with that sort of suicide as surely he would put up a struggle and defensive wounds would be apparent?

Still sad for the surviving family members that such tragedy has befallen them not once but twice  &%+((£
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: John on November 28, 2015, 01:04:38 PM
Reading some posts on Blue sparked my interest in this case.  My case knowledge is near zero so have no views whatsoever on innocence or guilt of Luke Mitchell but one thing struck me from my limited reading: the murder of Jodi Jones happened 9 days before the 5th anniverary of her father's (Jimmy Jones) suicide.  Is this just a tragic coincidence, event and timing, or are the two events connected?

1. Was Jimmy Jones death definitely suicide?  What were the circumstances?

2. If it was suicide did he have a history of suicide ideation/depression?

3. If yes to 2 above what was the cause(s)?

It was a suicide brought on by mental illness.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: John on November 28, 2015, 01:07:24 PM
Reading some of today's posts on Blue it appears Jodie was grounded leading up to the date of the anniversary of her father's death.  Again as per my post above was this a coincidence or something else?

Coincidence
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: John on November 28, 2015, 01:10:47 PM
I see the father's (Jimmy Jones) suicide was as a result of hanging from a tree in their garden.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401673._apos_A_truly_evil_murder___you_will_rightly_be_regarded_as_wicked_apos__Lucy_Bannerman_finds_how_a_teenage_love_of_music_and_rebellion_ende

Difficult to see how foul play could be involved with that sort of suicide as surely he would put up a struggle and defensive wounds would be apparent?

Still sad for the surviving family members that such tragedy has befallen them not once but twice  &%+((£

There were no suspicious circumstances.

I agree, the death of father Jimmy in 1998 and daughter Jodi in 2003 was a hard blow for the Jones family.  What I have found very distasteful however were the insinuations and claims by some Luke Mitchell supporters that son Joseph was in some way involved in the murder of his sister Jodi.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on November 29, 2015, 11:46:51 AM
It was a suicide brought on by mental illness.

What sort of mental illness?  Ie if depression was it non-specific or some specific life event?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on November 29, 2015, 12:01:09 PM
There were no suspicious circumstances.

I agree, the death of father Jimmy in 1998 and daughter Jodi in 2003 was a hard blow for the Jones family.  What I have found very distasteful however were the insinuations and claims by some Luke Mitchell supporters that son Joseph was in some way involved in the murder of his sister Jodi.

What reasons(s) do they have, if any, for making these insinuations and claims?

I had wrongly assumed it was a sexually motivated attack.  Were the knife wounds random/frenzied as say with Rachael Nickell or something else? 

Luke was not charged for months? in the meantime were any females suspected?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on November 30, 2015, 10:52:51 AM
I note in one of SL's posts she refers to the perp as being male.  Is there some reason to rule out a female perp?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on November 30, 2015, 10:59:30 AM
What sort of category does the murder fall into ie it wasnt sexual or burglary?  Maybe a domestic?  Or a random frenzied murder such as that suffered by Rachael Nickell?

Is there any truth in the deliberate cuts to eyelids? 
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: John on December 03, 2015, 03:25:48 AM
Were you aware of this Holly?


Jodi Family Suicide; on First Anniversary of Murdered Schoolgirl's Brutal Death, Her Uncle Found Hanged at Home

THE uncle of murdered schoolgirl Jodi Jones has committed suicide - just days after the first anniversary of her death.

Eddie Jones, 54, was found dead at his home.

It is believed the loner, who was not married and had no children, hanged himself.

It is the third tragedy to hit the family in recent years. Jodi's father, postal worker Jimmy Jones, committed suicide six years ago. He, too, was found hanged.

Eddie Jones, who was Jimmy's older brother, died at his home in Dalkeith, Midlothian, on July 2 - two days after the first anniversary of Jodi's murder.

But a source close to the family said his death was not linked to the anniversary, adding that Mr Jones had been experiencing 'personal problems'

https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-120404655.html
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2015, 10:56:54 AM
Were you aware of this Holly?


Jodi Family Suicide; on First Anniversary of Murdered Schoolgirl's Brutal Death, Her Uncle Found Hanged at Home

THE uncle of murdered schoolgirl Jodi Jones has committed suicide - just days after the first anniversary of her death.

Eddie Jones, 54, was found dead at his home.

It is believed the loner, who was not married and had no children, hanged himself.

It is the third tragedy to hit the family in recent years. Jodi's father, postal worker Jimmy Jones, committed suicide six years ago. He, too, was found hanged.

Eddie Jones, who was Jimmy's older brother, died at his home in Dalkeith, Midlothian, on July 2 - two days after the first anniversary of Jodi's murder.

But a source close to the family said his death was not linked to the anniversary, adding that Mr Jones had been experiencing 'personal problems'

https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-120404655.html

OMG that has really freaked me out John!  Were you aware of it? 

I know next to nothing about the case but all this screams out for further investigation IMHO.

Not only the events but also the timings. 
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2015, 12:25:20 PM
OMG that has really freaked me out John!  Were you aware of it? 

I know next to nothing about the case but all this screams out for further investigation IMHO.

Not only the events but also the timings.

I struggle to think there isn't a connection here:

Date             Victim          Relationship to Jodie      Verdict                       Location

9th Jul 1998            Jimmy Jones         Father                                       Suicide by hanging               Dalkeith

30th Jun 2003         Jodie Jones                                                            Murder by knife attack         Dalkeith

2nd Jul 2004            Eddie Jones         Uncle                                          Suicide by hanging              Dalkeith
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2015, 12:30:24 PM
I struggle to think there isn't a connection here:

Date             Victim          Relationship to Jodie      Verdict                       Location

9th Jul 1998            Jimmy Jones         Father                                       Suicide by hanging               Dalkeith

30th Jun 2003         Jodie Jones                                                            Murder by knife attack         Dalkeith

2nd Jul 2004            Eddie Jones         Uncle                                          Suicide by hanging              Dalkeith

http://www.scotsman.com/news/jodi-s-uncle-takes-his-own-life-a-year-on-1-1015511
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on March 28, 2021, 08:18:45 PM
I struggle to think there isn't a connection here:

Date             Victim          Relationship to Jodie      Verdict                       Location

9th Jul 1998            Jimmy Jones         Father                                       Suicide by hanging               Dalkeith

30th Jun 2003         Jodie Jones                                                            Murder by knife attack         Dalkeith

2nd Jul 2004            Eddie Jones         Uncle                                          Suicide by hanging              Dalkeith

As I said a few years back, I struggle to think there isn't a connection above.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2021, 08:58:55 PM
As I said a few years back, I struggle to think there isn't a connection above.
Apart from the fact that they were all related and are all now sadly deceased what do you think the connection is?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on March 29, 2021, 10:58:48 AM
Apart from the fact that they were all related and are all now sadly deceased what do you think the connection is?

What % of UK families do you think suffer two suicides and a murder in the space of 6 years?  I don't have a % but I would say its off the richter scale unusual.  Given the unusualness I would say investigators need to look here first before looking further afield.  Obviously they haven't looked further afield as they considered LM their man before Eddie Jones took his own life. 
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Brietta on March 29, 2021, 11:09:57 AM
What % of UK families do you think suffer two suicides and a murder in the space of 6 years?  I don't have a % but I would say its off the richter scale unusual.  Given the unusualness I would say investigators need to look here first before looking further afield.  Obviously they haven't looked further afield as they considered LM their man before Eddie Jones took his own life.

Hmmm ... so Jodi Jones is being blamed for being brutally and savagely murdered because her family suffered the tragedy of two suicides. Isn't that scraping the barrel?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2021, 11:20:58 AM
What % of UK families do you think suffer two suicides and a murder in the space of 6 years?  I don't have a % but I would say its off the richter scale unusual.  Given the unusualness I would say investigators need to look here first before looking further afield.  Obviously they haven't looked further afield as they considered LM their man before Eddie Jones took his own life.
So you think Jodi's murder is connected to her Dad's suicide years earlier do you?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on March 29, 2021, 11:34:11 AM
Hmmm ... so Jodi Jones is being blamed for being brutally and savagely murdered because her family suffered the tragedy of two suicides. Isn't that scraping the barrel?


Is that what I said?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on March 29, 2021, 11:36:00 AM
So you think Jodi's murder is connected to her Dad's suicide years earlier do you?

As I said I think 2 suicides and 1 murder within the same family over a 6 year period is unusual and needed investigating.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2021, 11:47:14 AM
As I said I think 2 suicides and 1 murder within the same family over a 6 year period is unusual and needed investigating.
Can you please answer my question.  Do you see a link between Jodi's father's death and her own?  FYI, there have been four suicides in my b-i-l's family in the last 20 years - it runs in the family.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on March 29, 2021, 01:06:37 PM
Can you please answer my question.  Do you see a link between Jodi's father's death and her own?  FYI, there have been four suicides in my b-i-l's family in the last 20 years - it runs in the family.

I'm saying I think 2 suicides AND 1 murder within the same family over a 6 year period is off the richter scale unusual.  Maybe just a freak and tragic coincidence or might be some connection. 

It is often difficult for pathologists to cateorgically state suicide.  In terms of [Name removed] I don't think there's any doubt she was murdered given her injuries and I believe defence wounds. 

Why have you asked if I see a link between [Name removed]'s father's death and her own and not asked the same question of [Name removed]'s uncle/her father's brother who apparently died by hanging himself within a day or so of the first anniversary of [Name removed]'s murder?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on March 29, 2021, 01:15:13 PM
I'm saying I think 2 suicides AND 1 murder within the same family over a 6 year period is off the richter scale unusual.  Maybe just a freak and tragic coincidence or might be some connection. 

It is often difficult for pathologists to cateorgically state suicide.  In terms of [Name removed] I don't think there's any doubt she was murdered given her injuries and I believe defence wounds. 

Why have you asked if I see a link between [Name removed]'s father's death and her own and not asked the same question of [Name removed]'s uncle/her father's brother who apparently died by hanging himself within a day or so of the first anniversary of [Name removed]'s murder?

I'm not sure why the initial's [Name removed] have been removed from the above post especially given the title of the thread?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on March 29, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
I'm not sure why the initial's [Name removed] have been removed from the above post especially given the title of the thread?

Is there some reason the system is not allowing me to use the initials J J but its ok to write Jodi Jones?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
I'm saying I think 2 suicides AND 1 murder within the same family over a 6 year period is off the richter scale unusual.  Maybe just a freak and tragic coincidence or might be some connection. 

It is often difficult for pathologists to cateorgically state suicide.  In terms of [Name removed] I don't think there's any doubt she was murdered given her injuries and I believe defence wounds. 

Why have you asked if I see a link between [Name removed]'s father's death and her own and not asked the same question of [Name removed]'s uncle/her father's brother who apparently died by hanging himself within a day or so of the first anniversary of [Name removed]'s murder?
When you answer my question I will answer yours.  Now for the third time of asking do you think there is a link between Jodi's murder and her father's suicide years before?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Rorschach on March 29, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
When you answer my question I will answer yours.  Now for the third time of asking do you think there is a link between Jodi's murder and her father's suicide years before?

I've seen it claimed that Jodi's brother killed all three and they were all covered up by the family lol. I read this theory in private conversations between Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean and others.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2021, 02:39:09 PM
I've seen it claimed that Jodi's brother killed all three and they were all covered up by the family lol. I read this theory in private conversations between Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean and others.
That really doesn't surprise me, every case has its mad conspiracy theorists.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Parky41 on March 29, 2021, 02:41:06 PM
June 2004 whilst LM was in custody and almost 6 months before the start of the trial. What makes you think this was not looked into to? - An investigation does not suddenly stop after someone is arrested, it continues almost right up to the point of conviction.

The circumstances around the fathers death would have been investigated at the time and re-examined upon the death of his daughter. Suicides are not taken at face value, they are investigated by a coroner. Classed as "violent" deaths.

Already set in place therefore is that conclusion that there was no link between these first two. And on those first two alone, it is a very vivid imagination that would possibly link a suicide of a father some five years before to a murder some 5 years later.

And again upon the death of this uncle, investigated once more by a coroner. The police with their ongoing investigation of LM, would seek to obtain the outcome of these reports/investigations. Seek further information to rule out any possible links. i.e did this uncle perhaps leave some note, was he around at the time of this girls death within the family circle and so forth.

Let us not forget here, that once LM was in custody awaiting trial, much of the investigation on-going would be by prompt of the Crown, who would seek to rule out all and everything - to limit what the defence may attempt to introduce. They use the police for this along with doing precognitions and so forth.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on March 29, 2021, 02:56:00 PM
I've seen it claimed that Jodi's brother killed all three and they were all covered up by the family lol. I read this theory in private conversations between Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean and others.

Of course you did.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2021, 06:26:40 PM
June 2004 whilst LM was in custody and almost 6 months before the start of the trial. What makes you think this was not looked into to? - An investigation does not suddenly stop after someone is arrested, it continues almost right up to the point of conviction.

The circumstances around the fathers death would have been investigated at the time and re-examined upon the death of his daughter. Suicides are not taken at face value, they are investigated by a coroner. Classed as "violent" deaths.

Already set in place therefore is that conclusion that there was no link between these first two. And on those first two alone, it is a very vivid imagination that would possibly link a suicide of a father some five years before to a murder some 5 years later.

And again upon the death of this uncle, investigated once more by a coroner. The police with their ongoing investigation of LM, would seek to obtain the outcome of these reports/investigations. Seek further information to rule out any possible links. i.e did this uncle perhaps leave some note, was he around at the time of this girls death within the family circle and so forth.

Let us not forget here, that once LM was in custody awaiting trial, much of the investigation on-going would be by prompt of the Crown, who would seek to rule out all and everything - to limit what the defence may attempt to introduce. They use the police for this along with doing precognitions and so forth.
Given that suicide is the leading cause of death in men under the age of 50 I don’t suppose 2 suicides in a family over six years (particularly one that has been devastated by a high profile vicious murder) is “off the Richter Scale unusual”.  I mean if both men had died of heart attacks no one would be that suspicious about it would they?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: mrswah on March 29, 2021, 06:59:55 PM
I've seen it claimed that Jodi's brother killed all three and they were all covered up by the family lol. I read this theory in private conversations between Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean and others.

Do you have a cite for this?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 10, 2021, 11:21:36 AM
When you answer my question I will answer yours.  Now for the third time of asking do you think there is a link between Jodi's murder and her father's suicide years before?

My posts on page 1 of this thread cover your question.

Out of a possible 365 days that the 2 suicides and murder could have occured they are all clustered around the anniversaries over a 9 day period.  Maybe some rational explanation and/or coincidence or maybe not.   
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 10, 2021, 05:26:34 PM
My posts on page 1 of this thread cover your question.

Out of a possible 365 days that the 2 suicides and murder could have occured they are all clustered around the anniversaries over a 9 day period.  Maybe some rational explanation and/or coincidence or maybe not.
Here is a rational explanation for you. Obviously it’s up to you whether you agree that it is rational or not, perhaps you could come up with a better explanation if you reject mine:

1) Father with history of mental illness commits suicide
2) some years later his daughter is murdered, coincidentally close to the date of the father’s suicide.
3) Uncle (brother  of suicide victim) in suffering because of these family trageides commits suicide around the anniversaries of his brother and niece when his anguish is at its height.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 10, 2021, 05:39:15 PM
Here is a rational explanation for you. Obviously it’s up to you whether you agree that it is rational or not, perhaps you could come up with a better explanation if you reject mine:

1) Father with history of mental illness commits suicide
2) some years later his daughter is murdered, coincidentally close to the date of the father’s suicide.
3) Uncle (brother  of suicide victim) in suffering because of these family trageides commits suicide around the anniversaries of his brother and niece when his anguish is at its height.

Yes its the rational explanation I was thinking of but still think if you asked a statistician to work out the odds of the events happening within one family it would be extremely rare. 
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 10, 2021, 05:54:48 PM
Yes its the rational explanation I was thinking of but still think if you asked a statistician to work out the odds of the events happening within one family it would be extremely rare.
I don’t think it is really.  The only coincidence is the murder taking place close to the anniversary of the first suicide.  Suicide is the most common cause of death in middle aged men I believe. 
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: William Wallace on April 15, 2021, 11:52:37 PM
I note in one of SL's posts she refers to the perp as being male.  Is there some reason to rule out a female perp?

Yes. Police stupidity.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: mrswah on April 17, 2021, 04:38:25 PM
I know of a family where there have been two suicides : a 19 year old boy, in 2002, and his uncle 16 years later.  One had problems with cannabis, the other had problems with money  , and interestingly, they were close.

However, I don't believe there is any direct connection, and nor does the family.

Closer to home, my husband's cousin was killed in 1976, having been knocked down by a bus.  Her grandfather was killed six years earlier, having been knocked down by a car.   

Again, no direct connection.  Just very sad.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 17, 2021, 10:04:43 PM
Yes. Police stupidity.

Unless J J's hands were tied once she lost consciousness I really can't see a lone female having the physical strength to restrain the victim whilst simultaneously tying the hands. 

I can see a female being an accomplice. 
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Brietta on May 02, 2021, 12:38:43 AM
Luke Mitchell was found guilty - slinging mud at Jodi Jones' family is desperate
Record columnist Jane Hamilton says those peddling half-truths about Jodi's murder are just adding to her family's heartache.

By Jane Hamilton
04:30, 1 MAY 2021

I’m loath to revisit this issue again because I feel the family of Jodi Jones have had enough but I’ll say it again for the hard of thinking – Luke Mitchell was found guilty of murder by a jury and sentenced to life imprisonment.

It shouldn’t need repeating.

But next Saturday there will be a protest by Mitchell’s supporters yet again demanding he be declared ­innocent.

For the family of Jodi, this is nothing more than a heartbreaking attack on his victim’s memory.

They have spoken to the Daily Record this week to plead that those peddling half-truths and slurs take a step back and consider the facts of the case.

Once more for those at the back – collectively, the Scottish justice system believes it has the right person for the crime he was charged with and is serving his time.

Four FAILED appeals including an independent Miscarriage of Justice investigation. Case closed. Done, dusted, finished.

And for the people who accuse journalists of turning a blind eye to the plight of an “innocent man” banged up for a crime he didn’t do, let me say this (yet again) – we have examined the case a gazillion times over the years and come up with nothing new.

There is no smoking gun, no “eureka” moment of uncovering a startling bit of new evidence that exonerates him.

The “new evidence” put forward by Luke’s supporters has been poured over time and again – but the conclusion remains the same.

Potential other people of interest were a factor of the original investigation and alternative suspects were traced, interviewed and eliminated from having the potential to be culpable.

Accusations of police corruption, collusion and personal insults have been winging their way to Daily Record towers daily.

Trust me, if you want a journalist to take your claims or suspicions seriously, here’s a wee tip - aggression, angst, insults and threats is not the way to do it.

Slinging mud at the innocent family of a murder victim to see if it sticks is also not a good way to change hearts or minds. If anything, it makes you look pathetically desperate.

The comments I’ve seen directed at the Jones family make me despair for the human race at times.

Where is the compassion and empathy for what they have been through?

Why can’t the supporters of Mitchell articulate their support for him and his family without dragging the Jones family down?

Oh yeah, because they’re among the dozens of suspects being bandied about by the Facebook sleuths. [Insert rolling eye emoji here].

But, hey, we live in a democracy and the beauty of that is we are free to have our own opinions and thoughts.

We can demonstrate and exercise our right to freedom of speech.

If you believe a miscarriage of justice has been done, you’re well within your rights to set up petitions, marches, videos and take to social media to put forward your case.

Such is our freedom that even a convicted murderer is allowed to protest his innocence on national television and take a lie detector test.

Nobody is denying you the right to bang your drum about your cause or your beliefs.

With social media, everyone can shout into the void – but while you’re screaming about innocence remember he had the best legal counsel in the country who did their damnedest for him and he has had the privilege of multiple legal options to have his case reviewed.

The life and voice of Jodi Jones has been lost to the world forever – remember that.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-found-guilty-murder-24016568
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on May 02, 2021, 12:49:08 AM
Luke Mitchell was found guilty - slinging mud at Jodi Jones' family is desperate
Record columnist Jane Hamilton says those peddling half-truths about Jodi's murder are just adding to her family's heartache.

By Jane Hamilton
04:30, 1 MAY 2021

I’m loath to revisit this issue again because I feel the family of Jodi Jones have had enough but I’ll say it again for the hard of thinking – Luke Mitchell was found guilty of murder by a jury and sentenced to life imprisonment.

It shouldn’t need repeating.

But next Saturday there will be a protest by Mitchell’s supporters yet again demanding he be declared ­innocent.

For the family of Jodi, this is nothing more than a heartbreaking attack on his victim’s memory.

They have spoken to the Daily Record this week to plead that those peddling half-truths and slurs take a step back and consider the facts of the case.

Once more for those at the back – collectively, the Scottish justice system believes it has the right person for the crime he was charged with and is serving his time.

Four FAILED appeals including an independent Miscarriage of Justice investigation. Case closed. Done, dusted, finished.

And for the people who accuse journalists of turning a blind eye to the plight of an “innocent man” banged up for a crime he didn’t do, let me say this (yet again) – we have examined the case a gazillion times over the years and come up with nothing new.

There is no smoking gun, no “eureka” moment of uncovering a startling bit of new evidence that exonerates him.

The “new evidence” put forward by Luke’s supporters has been poured over time and again – but the conclusion remains the same.

Potential other people of interest were a factor of the original investigation and alternative suspects were traced, interviewed and eliminated from having the potential to be culpable.

Accusations of police corruption, collusion and personal insults have been winging their way to Daily Record towers daily.

Trust me, if you want a journalist to take your claims or suspicions seriously, here’s a wee tip - aggression, angst, insults and threats is not the way to do it.

Slinging mud at the innocent family of a murder victim to see if it sticks is also not a good way to change hearts or minds. If anything, it makes you look pathetically desperate.

The comments I’ve seen directed at the Jones family make me despair for the human race at times.

Where is the compassion and empathy for what they have been through?

Why can’t the supporters of Mitchell articulate their support for him and his family without dragging the Jones family down?

Oh yeah, because they’re among the dozens of suspects being bandied about by the Facebook sleuths. [Insert rolling eye emoji here].

But, hey, we live in a democracy and the beauty of that is we are free to have our own opinions and thoughts.

We can demonstrate and exercise our right to freedom of speech.

If you believe a miscarriage of justice has been done, you’re well within your rights to set up petitions, marches, videos and take to social media to put forward your case.

Such is our freedom that even a convicted murderer is allowed to protest his innocence on national television and take a lie detector test.

Nobody is denying you the right to bang your drum about your cause or your beliefs.

With social media, everyone can shout into the void – but while you’re screaming about innocence remember he had the best legal counsel in the country who did their damnedest for him and he has had the privilege of multiple legal options to have his case reviewed.

The life and voice of Jodi Jones has been lost to the world forever – remember that.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-found-guilty-murder-24016568

‘Poured over’ ? Smart cookie this one.

There was an interesting comment though.

‘I’m shocked. I personally fought for eight years to obtain justice for my brother, Barry George. He was found guilty of murder by a jury, the awful killing of Jill Dando, BBC presenter of Crimewatch. Does this journalist remember that? In obtaining his freedom we opened the chance for the police to look again into her murder...justice for Jill as well. A wrongly convicted person is not justice for the victim of murder, rather it compounds the travesty of justice. I'm hopeful that this journalist can understand that my brother was innocent from day one...the system let him and Jill down.
I’d also like to draw this journalist’s attention to some other names, too. Try these...
The Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four, The Maguire Seven, Robert Brown, Derek Bentley, Stefan Kiszko, Michael O'Brien, Suzanne Holdsworth, Angela Cannings, Sally Clark...and this list is far from exhaustive. I personally know many of these people, my life has been devastated by miscarriage of justice, I can never be naive again.
Miscarriage of justice happens, and when it does it behoves us as a civilised society to investigate and to free the innocent quickly.
Sadly, our justice systems do not do that, so real killers are free to kill again. If police had not tried to railroad Colin Stagg to a conviction they’d have caught Rachel Nickell’s killer before he struck again.
I hold no feelings against Jodi’s family, but from the evidence, old...and now the new, I believe Luke Mitchell is innocent.’
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 02, 2021, 10:31:16 AM
Luke Mitchell was found guilty - slinging mud at Jodi Jones' family is desperate
Record columnist Jane Hamilton says those peddling half-truths about Jodi's murder are just adding to her family's heartache.

By Jane Hamilton
04:30, 1 MAY 2021

I’m loath to revisit this issue again because I feel the family of Jodi Jones have had enough but I’ll say it again for the hard of thinking – Luke Mitchell was found guilty of murder by a jury and sentenced to life imprisonment.

It shouldn’t need repeating.

But next Saturday there will be a protest by Mitchell’s supporters yet again demanding he be declared ­innocent.

For the family of Jodi, this is nothing more than a heartbreaking attack on his victim’s memory.

They have spoken to the Daily Record this week to plead that those peddling half-truths and slurs take a step back and consider the facts of the case.

Once more for those at the back – collectively, the Scottish justice system believes it has the right person for the crime he was charged with and is serving his time.

Four FAILED appeals including an independent Miscarriage of Justice investigation. Case closed. Done, dusted, finished.

And for the people who accuse journalists of turning a blind eye to the plight of an “innocent man” banged up for a crime he didn’t do, let me say this (yet again) – we have examined the case a gazillion times over the years and come up with nothing new.

There is no smoking gun, no “eureka” moment of uncovering a startling bit of new evidence that exonerates him.

The “new evidence” put forward by Luke’s supporters has been poured over time and again – but the conclusion remains the same.

Potential other people of interest were a factor of the original investigation and alternative suspects were traced, interviewed and eliminated from having the potential to be culpable.

Accusations of police corruption, collusion and personal insults have been winging their way to Daily Record towers daily.

Trust me, if you want a journalist to take your claims or suspicions seriously, here’s a wee tip - aggression, angst, insults and threats is not the way to do it.

Slinging mud at the innocent family of a murder victim to see if it sticks is also not a good way to change hearts or minds. If anything, it makes you look pathetically desperate.

The comments I’ve seen directed at the Jones family make me despair for the human race at times.

Where is the compassion and empathy for what they have been through?

Why can’t the supporters of Mitchell articulate their support for him and his family without dragging the Jones family down?

Oh yeah, because they’re among the dozens of suspects being bandied about by the Facebook sleuths. [Insert rolling eye emoji here].

But, hey, we live in a democracy and the beauty of that is we are free to have our own opinions and thoughts.

We can demonstrate and exercise our right to freedom of speech.

If you believe a miscarriage of justice has been done, you’re well within your rights to set up petitions, marches, videos and take to social media to put forward your case.

Such is our freedom that even a convicted murderer is allowed to protest his innocence on national television and take a lie detector test.

Nobody is denying you the right to bang your drum about your cause or your beliefs.

With social media, everyone can shout into the void – but while you’re screaming about innocence remember he had the best legal counsel in the country who did their damnedest for him and he has had the privilege of multiple legal options to have his case reviewed.

The life and voice of Jodi Jones has been lost to the world forever – remember that.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-found-guilty-murder-24016568

How many of those attending the protest knew Luke and Corrine Mitchell before Jodi’s murder?

And did Shane Mitchell attend? If not why not?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 02, 2021, 10:33:59 AM
‘Poured over’ ? Smart cookie this one.

How did the protest go

But next Saturday there will be a protest by Mitchell’s supporters’
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: mrswah on May 02, 2021, 10:46:43 AM
How did the protest go

But next Saturday there will be a protest by Mitchell’s supporters’

The protest is tomorrow, I believe.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on May 02, 2021, 11:20:14 AM
The protest is tomorrow, I believe.

I very much doubt there will be a huge turnout.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 02, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
I very much doubt there will be a huge turnout.
Why ever not?  I thought Sandra Lean's documentary had been a huge success at drumming up massive support?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 02, 2021, 03:41:18 PM

There was an interesting comment though.

‘I’m shocked. I personally fought for eight years to obtain justice for my brother, Barry George..’

She didn’t!

Most of the fighting was done by her uncle Mike Burke and others (Including Raphael Rowe & MOJO Scotland) - Michelle (Mitch) Diskin Bates was the ‘face’ of the campaign.

Her lies know no bounds

She’s also lied by omission in her book about the evidence which originally convicted her brother Barry George.

The only ‘Julia’ who gets a mention is the actress Julia Roberts. Julia Moorehouse - who spoke with George not long after he’d shot Jill Dando - has been ghosted by Diskin Bates (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/may/14/jilldando)

And in a recent interview with Ruth O’Reilly for United Christian Broadcasts Michelle Diskin Bates (Daughter of the King) again lies https://www.ucb.co.uk/ruth
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Rusty on May 02, 2021, 08:10:37 PM
Luke Mitchell was found guilty - slinging mud at Jodi Jones' family is desperate
Record columnist Jane Hamilton says those peddling half-truths about Jodi's murder are just adding to her family's heartache.

By Jane Hamilton
04:30, 1 MAY 2021

I’m loath to revisit this issue again because I feel the family of Jodi Jones have had enough but I’ll say it again for the hard of thinking – Luke Mitchell was found guilty of murder by a jury and sentenced to life imprisonment.

It shouldn’t need repeating.

But next Saturday there will be a protest by Mitchell’s supporters yet again demanding he be declared ­innocent.

For the family of Jodi, this is nothing more than a heartbreaking attack on his victim’s memory.

They have spoken to the Daily Record this week to plead that those peddling half-truths and slurs take a step back and consider the facts of the case.

Once more for those at the back – collectively, the Scottish justice system believes it has the right person for the crime he was charged with and is serving his time.

Four FAILED appeals including an independent Miscarriage of Justice investigation. Case closed. Done, dusted, finished.

And for the people who accuse journalists of turning a blind eye to the plight of an “innocent man” banged up for a crime he didn’t do, let me say this (yet again) – we have examined the case a gazillion times over the years and come up with nothing new.

There is no smoking gun, no “eureka” moment of uncovering a startling bit of new evidence that exonerates him.

The “new evidence” put forward by Luke’s supporters has been poured over time and again – but the conclusion remains the same.

Potential other people of interest were a factor of the original investigation and alternative suspects were traced, interviewed and eliminated from having the potential to be culpable.

Accusations of police corruption, collusion and personal insults have been winging their way to Daily Record towers daily.

Trust me, if you want a journalist to take your claims or suspicions seriously, here’s a wee tip - aggression, angst, insults and threats is not the way to do it.

Slinging mud at the innocent family of a murder victim to see if it sticks is also not a good way to change hearts or minds. If anything, it makes you look pathetically desperate.

The comments I’ve seen directed at the Jones family make me despair for the human race at times.

Where is the compassion and empathy for what they have been through?

Why can’t the supporters of Mitchell articulate their support for him and his family without dragging the Jones family down?

Oh yeah, because they’re among the dozens of suspects being bandied about by the Facebook sleuths. [Insert rolling eye emoji here].

But, hey, we live in a democracy and the beauty of that is we are free to have our own opinions and thoughts.

We can demonstrate and exercise our right to freedom of speech.

If you believe a miscarriage of justice has been done, you’re well within your rights to set up petitions, marches, videos and take to social media to put forward your case.

Such is our freedom that even a convicted murderer is allowed to protest his innocence on national television and take a lie detector test.

Nobody is denying you the right to bang your drum about your cause or your beliefs.

With social media, everyone can shout into the void – but while you’re screaming about innocence remember he had the best legal counsel in the country who did their damnedest for him and he has had the privilege of multiple legal options to have his case reviewed.

The life and voice of Jodi Jones has been lost to the world forever – remember that.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-found-guilty-murder-24016568

That's a nice read from Jane, she reported direct from the trial as well. She can sure, see right though the pro-mitchell camp.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Angelo222 on May 02, 2021, 08:40:15 PM
Luke Mitchell was found guilty - slinging mud at Jodi Jones' family is desperate
Record columnist Jane Hamilton says those peddling half-truths about Jodi's murder are just adding to her family's heartache.

By Jane Hamilton
04:30, 1 MAY 2021

I’m loath to revisit this issue again because I feel the family of Jodi Jones have had enough but I’ll say it again for the hard of thinking – Luke Mitchell was found guilty of murder by a jury and sentenced to life imprisonment.

It shouldn’t need repeating.

But next Saturday there will be a protest by Mitchell’s supporters yet again demanding he be declared ­innocent.

For the family of Jodi, this is nothing more than a heartbreaking attack on his victim’s memory.

They have spoken to the Daily Record this week to plead that those peddling half-truths and slurs take a step back and consider the facts of the case.

Once more for those at the back – collectively, the Scottish justice system believes it has the right person for the crime he was charged with and is serving his time.

Four FAILED appeals including an independent Miscarriage of Justice investigation. Case closed. Done, dusted, finished.

And for the people who accuse journalists of turning a blind eye to the plight of an “innocent man” banged up for a crime he didn’t do, let me say this (yet again) – we have examined the case a gazillion times over the years and come up with nothing new.

There is no smoking gun, no “eureka” moment of uncovering a startling bit of new evidence that exonerates him.

The “new evidence” put forward by Luke’s supporters has been poured over time and again – but the conclusion remains the same.

Potential other people of interest were a factor of the original investigation and alternative suspects were traced, interviewed and eliminated from having the potential to be culpable.

Accusations of police corruption, collusion and personal insults have been winging their way to Daily Record towers daily.

Trust me, if you want a journalist to take your claims or suspicions seriously, here’s a wee tip - aggression, angst, insults and threats is not the way to do it.

Slinging mud at the innocent family of a murder victim to see if it sticks is also not a good way to change hearts or minds. If anything, it makes you look pathetically desperate.

The comments I’ve seen directed at the Jones family make me despair for the human race at times.

Where is the compassion and empathy for what they have been through?

Why can’t the supporters of Mitchell articulate their support for him and his family without dragging the Jones family down?

Oh yeah, because they’re among the dozens of suspects being bandied about by the Facebook sleuths. [Insert rolling eye emoji here].

But, hey, we live in a democracy and the beauty of that is we are free to have our own opinions and thoughts.

We can demonstrate and exercise our right to freedom of speech.

If you believe a miscarriage of justice has been done, you’re well within your rights to set up petitions, marches, videos and take to social media to put forward your case.

Such is our freedom that even a convicted murderer is allowed to protest his innocence on national television and take a lie detector test.

Nobody is denying you the right to bang your drum about your cause or your beliefs.

With social media, everyone can shout into the void – but while you’re screaming about innocence remember he had the best legal counsel in the country who did their damnedest for him and he has had the privilege of multiple legal options to have his case reviewed.

The life and voice of Jodi Jones has been lost to the world forever – remember that.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-found-guilty-murder-24016568

That piece can be directed straight to Sandra Lean. 
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 02, 2021, 11:33:44 PM
Poured over’ ? Smart cookie this one.

Never rely on anything Sandra Lean says

The ‘poured’ over typo wasn’t Jane Hamilton’s

Whoever uploaded her article to the Daily Records website - seems when they did a spell check it changed ‘pored’ to ‘poured’

It’s not the job of a journalist to upload their articles to websites - goes to show how little Sandra Lean knows about newspapers
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 02, 2021, 11:45:28 PM
Never rely on anything Sandra Lean says

The ‘poured’ over typo wasn’t Jane Hamilton’s

Whoever uploaded her article to the Daily Records website - seems when they did a spell check it changed ‘pored’ to ‘poured’

It’s not the job of a journalist to upload their articles to websites - goes to show how little Sandra Lean knows about newspapers

Sandra Lean
Finally, journalists are supposed to have a reasonable grasp of the English language. The new evidence hasn't been "poured over" - nobody upended a jug of liquid over it. She means, of course, pored over. But, it's new evidence -  how can it have been pored over "time and time again"? It's NEW!!!

 *&^^&

Did Sandra Lean bother to compare and contrast the newspaper article with the websites article?


Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on May 03, 2021, 12:20:36 AM
Never rely on anything Sandra Lean says

The ‘poured’ over typo wasn’t Jane Hamilton’s

Whoever uploaded her article to the Daily Records website - seems when they did a spell check it changed ‘pored’ to ‘poured’

It’s not the job of a journalist to upload their articles to websites - goes to show how little Sandra Lean knows about newspapers

Priceless.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on May 03, 2021, 12:30:14 AM
Sandra Lean
Finally, journalists are supposed to have a reasonable grasp of the English language. The new evidence hasn't been "poured over" - nobody upended a jug of liquid over it. She means, of course, pored over. But, it's new evidence -  how can it have been pored over "time and time again"? It's NEW!!!

 *&^^&

Did Sandra Lean bother to compare and contrast the newspaper article with the websites article?

The link is to the website’s article and this is copied from it.

‘ poured over ‘.

Perhaps you need to do a little more checking next time before you accuse others of being a bit dim?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 03, 2021, 12:40:31 AM
The link is to the website’s article and this is copied from it.

‘ poured over ‘.

Perhaps you need to do a little more checking next time before you accuse others of being a bit dim?

Upload a copy of the news article - not from the website ⬇️

Never rely on anything Sandra Lean says

The ‘poured’ over typo wasn’t Jane Hamilton’s

Whoever uploaded her article to the Daily Records website - seems when they did a spell check it changed ‘pored’ to ‘poured’

It’s not the job of a journalist to upload their articles to websites - goes to show how little Sandra Lean knows about newspapers
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on May 03, 2021, 12:43:59 AM
Upload a copy of the news article - not from the website ⬇️

Off you go then.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Paranoid Android on May 03, 2021, 01:08:57 AM
Yet more intellectual snobbery based on a spelling error/typo.

Classy.

(edited to correct a typo)
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 03, 2021, 01:15:07 AM
Intellectual laziness more like
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on May 03, 2021, 11:30:31 AM
Yet more intellectual snobbery based on a spelling error/typo.

Classy.

(edited to correct a typo)

If only it was simply the typo.

Miss Hamilton, unfortunately, seems to be what passes these days, due to budget restraints within the print media, as an investigative journalist.

Paul Foot must be spinning in his grave.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on May 03, 2021, 11:33:33 AM
Intellectual laziness more like

Dr Lean has moved on from her association with you.

Perhaps you need to do the same.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 03, 2021, 03:42:17 PM
Extracts from J J's diaries re L M presented at trial:

Extracts from Jodi's diary are read out in court in which she explains her feelings for Luke.

It reads: 'I think I am actually in love with Luke, well nearly.

'Not in the stupid way I love Butch, I mean real love.

'God I think I'd die if he finished with me.' She added: 'He's just so sweet.

'No matter what he says, I believe him and that is really dangerous.

'I'll have to be careful - I've had my trust broken too many times.'


https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+I+think+I%27m+actually+in+love+with+Luke..+well...-a0125381355
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: mrswah on May 03, 2021, 04:48:27 PM
Extracts from J J's diaries re L M presented at trial:

Extracts from Jodi's diary are read out in court in which she explains her feelings for Luke.

It reads: 'I think I am actually in love with Luke, well nearly.

'Not in the stupid way I love Butch, I mean real love.

'God I think I'd die if he finished with me.' She added: 'He's just so sweet.

'No matter what he says, I believe him and that is really dangerous.

'I'll have to be careful - I've had my trust broken too many times.'


https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+I+think+I%27m+actually+in+love+with+Luke..+well...-a0125381355


Sounds as if she was worried that he might "dump" her at some stage----IMO, a perfectly normal worry for a 14 year old girl to have about her boyfriend. He may well have messed her around in the past, which, IMO is also fairly typical for 14 year olds.

It doesn't sound as if she was worried that he might attack her physically.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Brietta on May 03, 2021, 05:10:05 PM

Sounds as if she was worried that he might "dump" her at some stage----IMO, a perfectly normal worry for a 14 year old girl to have about her boyfriend. He may well have messed her around in the past, which, IMO is also fairly typical for 14 year olds.

It doesn't sound as if she was worried that he might attack her physically.

I think the last thing Jodi expected was an attack from that direction.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Chris_Halkides on May 04, 2021, 02:06:17 AM
I read Jane Hamilton's essay.  Let's start with the appeals process.  Cameron Todd Willingham lost ten appeals and was executed.  Yet several top arson investigators have said that there was no evidence of arson.  Lindy Chamberlain lost all of her appeals, and only a chance occurrence revealed what really happened.  Second, the investigation had several oversights.  Not bringing in dogs trained in recognizing scents, among others.  Based on arson investigation, I would take evidence canines as a kind of screening test, presumptive but not confirmatory.  Third, the police and prosecution did things that I would question on ethical grounds.  Fourth, count me as among those not particularly impressed with the quality of Luke Mitchell's defense.  Fifth, the evidence is the evidence and if it leads to a suspect who happens to be within the victim's family, so be it.  If it doesn't, then it doesn't.  What one should not do is to close one's mind off to any one possibility.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 04, 2021, 07:11:05 AM
I read Jane Hamilton's essay.  Let's start with the appeals process.  Cameron Todd Willingham lost ten appeals and was executed.  Yet several top arson investigators have said that there was no evidence of arson. . 

What one should not do is to close one's mind off to any one possibility.

Cameron Todd Willingham was guilty

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2599330/Executed-man-WAS-guilty-insists-Texas-state-denies-pardon-father-death-burning-three-kids-death-fire.html



Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on May 04, 2021, 10:13:24 AM
Cameron Todd Willingham was guilty

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2599330/Executed-man-WAS-guilty-insists-Texas-state-denies-pardon-father-death-burning-three-kids-death-fire.html

Texas state denies? Well quelle surprise !
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 04, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
Dr Lean has moved on from her association with you.

Perhaps you need to do the same.

I remain on the side of justice and truth and and staying where I am
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: mrswah on May 04, 2021, 05:30:21 PM
I remain on the side of justice and truth and and staying where I am

We should all do that, but do you actually know what is justice and truth in this case?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Brietta on May 04, 2021, 06:00:36 PM
We should all do that, but do you actually know what is justice and truth in this case?

Mitchell has been behind bars for eighteen years.

What new evidence do you think there is that would justify a fresh appeal.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 04, 2021, 09:39:48 PM

Paul Foot must be spinning in his grave.

’DNA Proof 40 Years After A Cowardly Murder Shuts Down A Fact-Fogging Campaign For The Murderer’

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php/tjmk/comments/dna_proof_40_years_after_a_cowardly_murder_shuts_down
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 04, 2021, 09:44:40 PM
Texas state denies? Well quelle surprise !

Innocence fraud is rife in Texas also https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=laujRg3W5C4
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 04, 2021, 09:47:35 PM
We should all do that, but do you actually know what is justice and truth in this case?

I would not use Sandra Lean as a source when it comes to the actual facts of the case against Luke Mitchell
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Chris_Halkides on May 04, 2021, 10:57:29 PM
Cameron Todd Willingham was guilty

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2599330/Executed-man-WAS-guilty-insists-Texas-state-denies-pardon-father-death-burning-three-kids-death-fire.html
Randall Dale Adams lost his appeal in 1979 and was within days of execution.  Besides Lindy Chamberlain, we could find many other examples of people who lost at least one appeal, such as Kirk Bloodsworth.  The point that I was making, that loss at the appeal level is not an absolute indicator of guilt, still stands.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on May 04, 2021, 11:17:27 PM
’DNA Proof 40 Years After A Cowardly Murder Shuts Down A Fact-Fogging Campaign For The Murderer’

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php/tjmk/comments/dna_proof_40_years_after_a_cowardly_murder_shuts_down

Paul Foot’s obituary.

https://funeral-notices.co.uk/notice/paul+foot/3301952

A remarkable investigative journalist.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Chris_Halkides on May 04, 2021, 11:23:03 PM
I agree about Paul Foot; his writings on the Birmingham Six and related cases are worth seeking out.  The True Justice website, on the other hand...well, let's just say that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: faithlilly on May 04, 2021, 11:26:54 PM
I agree about Paul Foot; his writings on the Birmingham Six and related cases are worth seeking out.  The True Justice website, on the other hand...well, let's just say that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Indeed.

You mention the excellent work done by Paul Foot on the Birmingham Six case and it brought to mind another brilliant campaigner who worked tirelessly to free Callaghan, Hill, Hunter,  McIlkenny, Power and Walker, Chris Mullins. I cut my MOJ teeth on Error of Judgement and still flick through it occasionally. Unfortunately at the time Mullins was also the victim of  the same insults and vitriol we see Dr Lean subjected to now. Let’s hope that Dr Lean eventually sees her efforts rewarded just as Mullins and Foot did.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 06, 2021, 12:45:57 PM
Luke Mitchell was found guilty - slinging mud at Jodi Jones' family is desperate
Record columnist Jane Hamilton says those peddling half-truths about Jodi's murder are just adding to her family's heartache.

By Jane Hamilton
04:30, 1 MAY 2021


Slinging mud at the innocent family of a murder victim to see if it sticks is also not a good way to change hearts or minds. If anything, it makes you look pathetically desperate.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-found-guilty-murder-24016568

There have been some deplorable comments made about the Jones/Walker family

One female supporter has even passed judgement on pictures of JuJ questioning why she’s ‘smiling’ and why wasn’t she carried out of the court kicking and screaming - saying something like ‘if it was my child’

Then there’s Damian Fahy claiming the family ‘don’t seem to care who did it...’

And dad killer Michelle Nicholson (more here https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110204013215/http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/144_7538.htm)
stating to Sandra Lean ‘guess not everyone appreciates your beautiful truth’

 *&^^&

Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 06, 2021, 03:52:29 PM
Indeed.

You mention the excellent work done by Paul Foot

Sandra Lean is no Paul Foot and the two couldn’t be more different

Paul Foot’s investigations re the murder of 13 year old Carl Bridgewater and of his efforts in helping to overturn the murder convictions of Patrick Molloy, James Robinson and cousins Michael and Vincent Hickey - aka the Bridgewater four - cannot and should not be compared to how Sandra Lean has behaved

(I’m of the view Bert Spencer murderered 13 year old Carl Bridgewater)

Remind us - what case papers did she have on the Luke Mitchell case (and the other 6 cases) when she wrote and published  ‘No Smoke’ ?

“I apologise for any confusion - No Smoke was published more than 12 years ago, before I had access to all of the case papers and I haven't read it/referenced it for many years. The book was based largely on court transcripts, which were all I had at the time. I've contacted the publisher today to ask for the book to be withdrawn.
I would like to stress that it was not, and never has been, my intention to mislead....

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg456199.html#msg456199
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: mrswah on May 06, 2021, 05:32:00 PM
There have been some deplorable comments made about the Jones/Walker family

One female supporter has even passed judgement on pictures of JuJ questioning why she’s ‘smiling’ and why wasn’t she carried out of the court kicking and screaming - saying something like ‘if it was my child’

Then there’s Damian Fahy claiming the family ‘don’t seem to care who did it...’

And dad killer Michelle Nicholson (more here https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110204013215/http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/144_7538.htm)
stating to Sandra Lean ‘guess not everyone appreciates your beautiful truth’

 *&^^&


Where have these comments been made?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 06, 2021, 06:33:52 PM

Where have these comments been made?

In the comments of a certain persons Facebook page where she’s published a private message allegedly by a family member...
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 06, 2021, 07:22:39 PM
Sandra Lean
Quote
I would like to stress that it was not, and never has been, my intention to mislead....


I don’t believe her
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on May 08, 2021, 07:46:40 PM
I read Jane Hamilton's essay.  Let's start with the appeals process.  Cameron Todd Willingham lost ten appeals and was executed.  Yet several top arson investigators have said that there was no evidence of arson.

Cameron Todd Willingham was guilty

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2599330/Executed-man-WAS-guilty-insists-Texas-state-denies-pardon-father-death-burning-three-kids-death-fire.html

Willingham was not convicted of arson. He was convicted of murder.

http://ndaa.org/wp-content/uploads/innocence-fraud.pdf
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on June 30, 2021, 08:02:25 AM
Jodi Jones family hit back at Luke Mitchell for cruel comments on anniversary of her death

The family of Jodi Jones have hit back at her killer's comments on the anniversary of her death.

Loved ones of the teenager have been left furious at Luke Mitchell's statements from prison that he "is a man now" and will lead his own campaign for innocence.

Jodi Jones was found murdered in Dalkeith on June 30, 2003, with her boyfriend Luke convicted of the crime two years later in 2005, aged just 16.

As the anniversary of her death approaches, comments have been made by Mitchell from his cell that he "will not stay in the background any longer", with Jodi's family furious at what they described as. "killer propaganda."

This year, a documentary on Channel 5 had reignited interest from the public in the case, with many people left desperate to see Mitchell proved innocent.

After being sentenced to 20 years in Shotts Prison for the murder, he has seen many attempts to appeal his conviction fail.

Now, after seeing multiple campaigns from members of the public regarding his innocence, Mitchell has said he will be taking charge of the fight to free himself.

Left angry and disappointed at the latest revelation from Mitchell, a relative told the Daily Record: “Stay in the background? Since when? He’s been manipulating the whole thing from inside since it started.

“He went quiet for a few years and was doing the time but then that disgusting programme which was full of half-truths came out and all of a sudden he’s mister innocent.

“It’s sickening. The people backing him are deluded and have no idea of the monster he is.

“He should stay in the background because the only people listening to him are the people being taken for a ride with the wool pulled over their eyes.”

In an attempt to gain further sympathy from followers, a photo of Mitchell as a child was posted on an online support group with promises more would be released. It shows him eating a carrot with a pony.

But Jodi’s relatives urged the public to treat the new campaign with disdain.

Jodie's relative said: "He might have been an innocent child at one time but he grew up into a monster. Showing pictures of him as a child elicits nothing more than rage on the part of my family. He’s lost his childhood? He took Jodi’s life!

“And he is paying the price for that. Incredible that convicted killers can run campaigns from behind bars and say anything they like to torment the family even more. Especially given it’s the anniversary today. It’s evil is what it is.”

This week, a message was posted on the “Free and Retry Luke Mitchell” Facebook Group, which had claimed to be from the killer and his mum, Corinne.

Uploaded by supporter Lisa Reynolds Peden, the woman stated that she is in close contact with the pair, who said:

“THIS STATEMENT IS FROM LUKE AND CORINNE: Luke has spoken to people the last few days and made it very clear that he will not allow ANYONE to speak for him any more. He is a man now and will not stay in the background any longer. I will now be posting all statements from Luke via myself.

“I have spoken to Luke and Corinne. Both their wishes are that everyone who is able to, attends the protest on the 17th of July in Edinburgh. They are both one hundred percent behind this group and the protest that's been organised."

Mitchell has also attempted to distance himself from stickers being put around his home town demanding his release - but featuring a picture of Jodi.

The statement goes on: “Luke does not want photos of Jodi distributed for his fight for justice, this is insensitive to Jodi's family and friends, and creates bad press for him. It is not and has never been Luke's wishes for us find the real killer, that's the police's job. But our job is to make people aware that Luke is 100% innocent.

"We all want Luke free and home to his mum. For anyone else to be investigated and/or charged Luke must be acquitted first.”

The statement goes on to allege Mitchell does not want to upset Jodi’s family – despite his campaign causing anguish for years.

It says: “He has been too concerned about upsetting other friends, people, and following other wishes, but has lost his childhood, teenage years and adolescence.

“He will not stand for this any more. Luke appreciates your support and welcomes future peaceful protests and any other means of support within the law. All ideas from ANY groups MUST be ran by Luke in the first instance before anything is done.”

The message ends with Mitchell, saying: “Thank you everyone for your continued support and helping me fight for my freedom. Big things are coming.”
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/jodi-jones-family-hit-back-20933750

Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on June 30, 2021, 10:29:50 AM
Jodi Jones' family blast killer Luke Mitchell for sick taunts from behind bars on anniversary of her death

Killer Luke Mitchell has declared he “is a man now” and will lead his own campaign to be freed from prison.

The family of Jodi Jones blasted her killer for sick taunts from behind bars on the anniversary of the teen’s slaying.

Jodi Jones' killer Luke Mitchell has declared he “is a man now” and will lead his own campaign to be freed from prison - just days before the anniversary of her death.

But family members of Jodi have reacted furiously to the latest “killer propaganda” saying he should be stopped from tormenting them from his jail cell.

Jodi was just 14 when her naked and mutilated body was discovered behind a wall in a wooded area near her Dalkeith home on June 30, 2003.

Since he was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years behind bars for the brutal murder the killer has protested his innocence. Four appeals have so far failed.

His case received renewed interest from the public following a Channel 5 documentary earlier this year which supported his innocence claims.

And now in a message to supporters, released by a prison pen pal, Mitchell said he is taking the reins of his campaign.

Mitchell, who was 16 when convicted at the High Court in Edinburgh in 2005 of killing girlfriend Jodi, has declared he “will not stay in the background any longer.”

Jodi was just 14 when her naked and mutilated body was discovered behind a wall in a wooded area near her Dalkeith home on June 30, 2003.

Since he was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years behind bars for the brutal murder the killer has protested his innocence. Four appeals have so far failed.

His case received renewed interest from the public following a Channel 5 documentary earlier this year which supported his innocence claims.

And now in a message to supporters, released by a prison pen pal, Mitchell said he is taking the reins of his campaign.

He has also urged his deluded supporters to attend a rally in support of his campaign.

But Jodi’s family hit back, with an angry relative telling the Daily Record: “Stay in the background? Since when? He’s been manipulating the whole thing from inside since it started.

"He went quiet for a few years and was doing the time but then that disgusting programme which was full of half-truths came out and all of a sudden he’s mister innocent.

“It’s sickening. The people backing him are deluded and have no idea of the monster he is.

“He should stay in the background because the only people listening to him are the people being taken for a ride with the wool pulled over their eyes.”

In an attempt to gain further sympathy from followers, a photo of Mitchell as a child was posted on an online support group with promises more would be released. It shows him eating a carrot with a pony.

But Jodi’s relatives urged the public to treat the new campaign with disdain.

Jodie's relative said: "He might have been an innocent child at one time but he grew up into a monster. Showing pictures of him as a child elicits nothing more than rage on the part of my family. He’s lost his childhood? He took Jodi’s life!

“And he is paying the price for that. Incredible that convicted killers can run campaigns from behind bars and say anything they like to torment the family even more. Especially given it’s the anniversary today. It’s evil is what it is.”

The statement claiming to be from Mitchell and mum Corinne was released on to the “Free and Retry Luke Mitchell” Facebook group earlier this week.

A supporter, Lisa Reynolds Peden said she is in daily contact with Corinne and every second day with the murderer from his jail cell at Shotts Prison.

In the statement from Peden, she claimed Mitchell said he will not allow “ANYONE to speak for him any more.”

It read: “THIS STATEMENT IS FROM LUKE AND CORINNE: Luke has spoken to people the last few days and made it very clear that he will not allow ANYONE to speak for him any more. He is a man now and will not stay in the background any longer. I will now be posting all statements from Luke via myself.

“I have spoken to Luke and Corinne. Both their wishes are that everyone who is able to, attends the protest on the 17th of July in Edinburgh. They are both one hundred percent behind this group and the protest that's been organised."

Mitchell has also attempted to distance himself from stickers being put around his home town demanding his release - but featuring a picture of Jodi.

The statement goes on: “Luke does not want photos of Jodi distributed for his fight for justice, this is insensitive to Jodi's family and friends, and creates bad press for him. It is not and has never been Luke's wishes for us find the real killer, that's the police's job. But our job is to make people aware that Luke is 100% innocent.

"We all want Luke free and home to his mum. For anyone else to be investigated and/or charged Luke must be acquitted first.”

The statement goes on to allege Mitchell does not want to upset Jodi’s family – despite his campaign causing anguish for years.

It says: “He has been too concerned about upsetting other friends, people, and following other wishes, but has lost his childhood, teenage years and adolescence.

“He will not stand for this any more. Luke appreciates your support and welcomes future peaceful protests and any other means of support within the law. All ideas from ANY groups MUST be ran by Luke in the first instance before anything is done.”

The message ends with Mitchell, saying: “Thank you everyone for your continued support and helping me fight for my freedom. Big things are coming.”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jodi-jones-family-blast-killer-24425567
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: rulesapply on June 30, 2021, 08:42:33 PM
Jodi Jones' family blast killer Luke Mitchell for sick taunts from behind bars on anniversary of her death

Killer Luke Mitchell has declared he “is a man now” and will lead his own campaign to be freed from prison.

The family of Jodi Jones blasted her killer for sick taunts from behind bars on the anniversary of the teen’s slaying.

Jodi Jones' killer Luke Mitchell has declared he “is a man now” and will lead his own campaign to be freed from prison - just days before the anniversary of her death.

But family members of Jodi have reacted furiously to the latest “killer propaganda” saying he should be stopped from tormenting them from his jail cell.

Jodi was just 14 when her naked and mutilated body was discovered behind a wall in a wooded area near her Dalkeith home on June 30, 2003.

Since he was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years behind bars for the brutal murder the killer has protested his innocence. Four appeals have so far failed.

His case received renewed interest from the public following a Channel 5 documentary earlier this year which supported his innocence claims.

And now in a message to supporters, released by a prison pen pal, Mitchell said he is taking the reins of his campaign.

Mitchell, who was 16 when convicted at the High Court in Edinburgh in 2005 of killing girlfriend Jodi, has declared he “will not stay in the background any longer.”

Jodi was just 14 when her naked and mutilated body was discovered behind a wall in a wooded area near her Dalkeith home on June 30, 2003.

Since he was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years behind bars for the brutal murder the killer has protested his innocence. Four appeals have so far failed.

His case received renewed interest from the public following a Channel 5 documentary earlier this year which supported his innocence claims.

And now in a message to supporters, released by a prison pen pal, Mitchell said he is taking the reins of his campaign.

He has also urged his deluded supporters to attend a rally in support of his campaign.

But Jodi’s family hit back, with an angry relative telling the Daily Record: “Stay in the background? Since when? He’s been manipulating the whole thing from inside since it started.

"He went quiet for a few years and was doing the time but then that disgusting programme which was full of half-truths came out and all of a sudden he’s mister innocent.

“It’s sickening. The people backing him are deluded and have no idea of the monster he is.

“He should stay in the background because the only people listening to him are the people being taken for a ride with the wool pulled over their eyes.”

In an attempt to gain further sympathy from followers, a photo of Mitchell as a child was posted on an online support group with promises more would be released. It shows him eating a carrot with a pony.

But Jodi’s relatives urged the public to treat the new campaign with disdain.

Jodie's relative said: "He might have been an innocent child at one time but he grew up into a monster. Showing pictures of him as a child elicits nothing more than rage on the part of my family. He’s lost his childhood? He took Jodi’s life!

“And he is paying the price for that. Incredible that convicted killers can run campaigns from behind bars and say anything they like to torment the family even more. Especially given it’s the anniversary today. It’s evil is what it is.”

The statement claiming to be from Mitchell and mum Corinne was released on to the “Free and Retry Luke Mitchell” Facebook group earlier this week.

A supporter, Lisa Reynolds Peden said she is in daily contact with Corinne and every second day with the murderer from his jail cell at Shotts Prison.

In the statement from Peden, she claimed Mitchell said he will not allow “ANYONE to speak for him any more.”

It read: “THIS STATEMENT IS FROM LUKE AND CORINNE: Luke has spoken to people the last few days and made it very clear that he will not allow ANYONE to speak for him any more. He is a man now and will not stay in the background any longer. I will now be posting all statements from Luke via myself.

“I have spoken to Luke and Corinne. Both their wishes are that everyone who is able to, attends the protest on the 17th of July in Edinburgh. They are both one hundred percent behind this group and the protest that's been organised."

Mitchell has also attempted to distance himself from stickers being put around his home town demanding his release - but featuring a picture of Jodi.

The statement goes on: “Luke does not want photos of Jodi distributed for his fight for justice, this is insensitive to Jodi's family and friends, and creates bad press for him. It is not and has never been Luke's wishes for us find the real killer, that's the police's job. But our job is to make people aware that Luke is 100% innocent.

"We all want Luke free and home to his mum. For anyone else to be investigated and/or charged Luke must be acquitted first.”

The statement goes on to allege Mitchell does not want to upset Jodi’s family – despite his campaign causing anguish for years.

It says: “He has been too concerned about upsetting other friends, people, and following other wishes, but has lost his childhood, teenage years and adolescence.

“He will not stand for this any more. Luke appreciates your support and welcomes future peaceful protests and any other means of support within the law. All ideas from ANY groups MUST be ran by Luke in the first instance before anything is done.”

The message ends with Mitchell, saying: “Thank you everyone for your continued support and helping me fight for my freedom. Big things are coming.”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jodi-jones-family-blast-killer-24425567

I haven't looked today given this is Jodi's day. I can only hope Jodi and her family have been treated with respect.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: rulesapply on June 30, 2021, 09:55:23 PM
Some of these comments aren't even about Jodi Jones.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on June 30, 2021, 10:30:29 PM
Some of these comments aren't even about Jodi Jones.

Have you seen convicted armed robber and liar Scott Forbes continued BS about the Jones family?

And his false allegations and libel/defamation continue ⬇️

Scott Forbes
@Scf65Forbes
Replying to
@Daily_Record
Jane Hamilton, being close to Tom Wood and Craig Dobbie(cop who IMO framed Luke M) was able to persuade Daily Record police had 'right man' (14yr schooll boy) and thereafter peddled spin for the police to gain a conviction.
8:39 AM · Jun 30, 2021·Twitter for Android


Even though Jane Hamilton didn’t work for the Daily Record at the time 🙄

Scott Forbes (Who I suspect reads this forum after he began ‘following’ me recently on twitter) wants to be careful about the nonsense he’s tweeting

Real lawyers are watching him!
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: rulesapply on June 30, 2021, 11:25:41 PM
Have you seen convicted armed robber and liar Scott Forbes continued BS about the Jones family?

And his false allegations and libel/defamation continue ⬇️

Scott Forbes
@Scf65Forbes
Replying to
@Daily_Record
Jane Hamilton, being close to Tom Wood and Craig Dobbie(cop who IMO framed Luke M) was able to persuade Daily Record police had 'right man' (14yr schooll boy) and thereafter peddled spin for the police to gain a conviction.
8:39 AM · Jun 30, 2021·Twitter for Android


Even though Jane Hamilton didn’t work for the Daily Record at the time 🙄

Scott Forbes (Who I suspect reads this forum after he began ‘following’ me recently on twitter) wants to be careful about the nonsense he’s tweeting

Real lawyers are watching him!

SF is a mug.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on July 01, 2021, 09:35:52 AM
SF is a mug.

A ‘mug’ who has stepped over the line far too many times
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: rulesapply on July 01, 2021, 10:02:38 AM
A ‘mug’ who has stepped over the line far too many times

Yeah. I've seen it. He reeks of desperation. He's just digging his own hole along with some others. It would be satisfying if it weren't so appalling for Jodi Jones' family, Mark Kane's mother and every other innocent person even more damaged along the way.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on July 01, 2021, 10:05:47 AM
Yeah. I've seen it. He reeks of desperation. He's just digging his own hole along with some others.

He does

He is

Would be interested to hear from the 2 PI’s - along with Stephen Bennett and some of the others involved in the channel 5 sham show and what they are making of Scott’s Forbes behaviour - along with others
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on July 01, 2021, 10:06:36 AM
It would be satisfying if it weren't so appalling for Jodi Jones' family, Mark Kane's mother and every other innocent person even more damaged along the way.

I agree

I’m reminded also of at least 2 live videos Sandra Lean did seemingly praising this moron

Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: rulesapply on July 01, 2021, 10:19:05 AM
I agree

I’m reminded also of at least 2 live videos Sandra Lean did seemingly praising this moron

He can do no wrong.
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on July 01, 2021, 11:18:33 AM
He can do no wrong.

He’s done and is doing a lot wrong
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Nicholas on July 01, 2021, 02:30:03 PM
Have you seen convicted armed robber and liar Scott Forbes continued BS about the Jones family?

And his false allegations and libel/defamation continue ⬇️

Scott Forbes
@Scf65Forbes
Replying to
@Daily_Record
Jane Hamilton, being close to Tom Wood and Craig Dobbie(cop who IMO framed Luke M) was able to persuade Daily Record police had 'right man' (14yr schooll boy) and thereafter peddled spin for the police to gain a conviction.
8:39 AM · Jun 30, 2021·Twitter for Android


Even though Jane Hamilton didn’t work for the Daily Record at the time 🙄

Scott Forbes (Who I suspect reads this forum after he began ‘following’ me recently on twitter) wants to be careful about the nonsense he’s tweeting

Real lawyers are watching him!

Why did Sandra Lean choose to never call out Scott Forbes blatant lies

Scott Forbes
@Scf65Forbes
Scott im actually laughing. Dr Lean can confirm I was lukes lawyer and part of a legal team for 5years. Let them play there wee boys games if it amuses them# laugh#last#laugh#longest.
10:14 PM · Apr 3, 2019·Twitter for Android


Sandra didn’t though did she

All she was prepared to say was that he was allegedly a ‘trainee lawyer’ - which we’ve not yet seen any proof of

She deflected and told people to ‘ask Luke’ about Forbes

Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: rulesapply on July 01, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
Why did Sandra Lean choose to never call out Scott Forbes blatant lies

Scott Forbes
@Scf65Forbes
Scott im actually laughing. Dr Lean can confirm I was lukes lawyer and part of a legal team for 5years. Let them play there wee boys games if it amuses them# laugh#last#laugh#longest.
10:14 PM · Apr 3, 2019·Twitter for Android


Sandra didn’t though did she

All she was prepared to say was that he was allegedly a ‘trainee lawyer’ - which we’ve not yet seen any proof of

She deflected and told people to ‘ask Luke’ about Forbes

So, if SF approached CM at her place of work at the end of 2006 because the police and LM's legal team weren't listening,  what's with the story about him giving a sworn statement to someone SF calls an honest lawyer, in 2005? I thought no one was listening in 2005?
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: Dexter on July 01, 2021, 05:56:12 PM
So, if SF approached CM at her place of work at the end of 2006 because the police and LM's legal team weren't listening,  what's with the story about him giving a sworn statement to someone SF calls an honest lawyer, in 2005? I thought no one was listening in 2005?

Yay finally you get it. Well done. Isn't that what SF said all along. 
Title: Re: Victim Jodi Jones
Post by: rulesapply on July 01, 2021, 08:27:57 PM
Yay finally you get it. Well done. Isn't that what SF said all along.

Maybe but it's certainly not what SL has said all along.