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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #240 on: December 20, 2018, 06:15:56 PM »
That sounds very vague. Hopefully you are going to look at the details before 29th March as there's much more than higher prices to consider. There are customs declarations, duty payments and different Vat riles to think about when importing.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/trading-with-the-eu-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/trading-with-the-eu-if-theres-no-brexit-deal
I’m certainly not prepared to be anymore specific than that but thanks for the advice, I hadn’t considered any of those things before   *%87
Perhaps you can also reassure me that a no deal scenario will have little or no financial impact on any of the points I have raised and which keep many small business owners awake at night?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #241 on: December 20, 2018, 06:43:26 PM »
I’m certainly not prepared to be anymore specific than that but thanks for the advice, I hadn’t considered any of those things before   *%87
Perhaps you can also reassure me that a no deal scenario will have little or no financial impact on any of the points I have raised and which keep many small business owners awake at night?

I can't tell you what the impact will be any more than the experts can. Instead of worrying and complaining, which achieves nothing, businesses need to inform themselves and prepare.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #242 on: December 20, 2018, 06:51:27 PM »
I can't tell you what the impact will be any more than the experts can. Instead of worrying and complaining, which achieves nothing, businesses need to inform themselves and prepare.
I’m fully prepared - for fewer customers, lower sales and reduced profits.  I will probably have to make my staff redundant and work six days a week, and forget having a holiday, ever, and give up all thoughts of early retirement and a nice little cottage in the Dordogne.  Oh well, never mind, at least we will have gotten rid of the unelected bureaucrats, with their snouts in the trough that make our lives a living hell currently, and will be able to buy a bendy banana whenever we choose.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #243 on: December 20, 2018, 07:07:45 PM »
No Deal will never happen.
It's politicians we are talking about here remember.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #244 on: December 20, 2018, 07:24:04 PM »
No Deal will never happen.
It's politicians we are talking about here remember.
Let’s hope you’re right.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #245 on: December 20, 2018, 08:18:50 PM »
Let’s hope you’re right.

The Grauniad reported a few days ago that Mrs May was within 20 votes of a victory for her deal
The DUP will not vote in anyway that increases the possibility of a No Deal. That way they lose pretty much any chance of the "border prize" they seek. With May's deal they are at least  in with a shout. When the malcontents see which way the wind is blowing they will set their jibs accordingly. A No Deal will see alot of them out of work come the next general election. Few will decline the company shilling. Then those pesky Europeans have given her [T.M] a leg up by broadcasting their contingency plans, in the event of no deal, four weeks earlier than the treaties demand.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #246 on: December 20, 2018, 08:30:30 PM »
I’m fully prepared - for fewer customers, lower sales and reduced profits.  I will probably have to make my staff redundant and work six days a week, and forget having a holiday, ever, and give up all thoughts of early retirement and a nice little cottage in the Dordogne.  Oh well, never mind, at least we will have gotten rid of the unelected bureaucrats, with their snouts in the trough that make our lives a living hell currently, and will be able to buy a bendy banana whenever we choose.

What a defeatist attitude you have.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #247 on: December 20, 2018, 08:34:31 PM »
The Grauniad reported a few days ago that Mrs May was within 20 votes of a victory for her deal
The DUP will not vote in anyway that increases the possibility of a No Deal. That way they lose pretty much any chance of the "border prize" they seek. With May's deal they are at least  in with a shout. When the malcontents see which way the wind is blowing they will set their jibs accordingly. A No Deal will see alot of them out of work come the next general election. Few will decline the company shilling. Then those pesky Europeans have given her [T.M] a leg up by broadcasting their contingency plans, in the event of no deal, four weeks earlier than the treaties demand.

So you think they'll give in, despite all the kicking and screaming? What hypocrites they are; but we knew that anyway.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #248 on: December 20, 2018, 10:09:54 PM »
What a defeatist attitude you have.
Ah, but I didn’t live through the good ol’ days of post war misery and rationing like what you did, that’s why I’m such a pathetic wimp and not looking forward to the return of the good ol’ days like what you are.  Probably.   @)(++(*
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #249 on: December 20, 2018, 10:33:04 PM »
So you think they'll give in, despite all the kicking and screaming? What hypocrites they are; but we knew that anyway.

I never thought any other way.
You can't operate in a vacuum so our only option is to use EU laws and Harmonised Standards because we have none of our own. That's already a done deal.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #250 on: December 21, 2018, 06:20:19 AM »
I never thought any other way.
You can't operate in a vacuum so our only option is to use EU laws and Harmonised Standards because we have none of our own. That's already a done deal.

Didn't we adopt them as our own in the Withdrawal Bill?
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Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #251 on: December 21, 2018, 06:38:06 AM »
Ah, but I didn’t live through the good ol’ days of post war misery and rationing like what you did, that’s why I’m such a pathetic wimp and not forward to the return of the good ol’ days like what you are.  Probably.   @)(++(*

If strength and character only develop through adversity then a no deal Brexit might have positive effects. The strong and capable will survive and the incompetent wimps won't.
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« Reply #252 on: December 21, 2018, 07:09:39 AM »
If strength and character only develop through adversity then a no deal Brexit might have positive effects. The strong and capable will survive and the incompetent wimps won't.
Gosh, that could have been a Nazi slogan!  What will happen to the incompetent wimps then? 
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Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #253 on: December 21, 2018, 09:07:11 AM »
I can’t really disagree with a word of this

Corbyn’s real failing is his refusal to lead
Philip CollinsDecember 20 2018, 5:00pm,
Even faced with May’s chaotic plans for immigration and a no-deal Brexit, Labour still can’t outline a winning policy


The Which? website is not usually the place where politicians seek advice but the absurd twists of Brexit have made it so. Matt Hancock, the health secretary, has declared that, as part of the contingency planning for leaving the European Union without a withdrawal agreement, he is buying fridges. Which? is carrying an excellent interactive tool for finding the best fridge, which I draw to Mr Hancock’s attention: freestanding or integrated, humidity controls in the salad drawer, that sort of thing.

This is what the government is reducing itself to. As well as the mockery it invites, this should cause a shiver of fear among Labour supporters. How can the official opposition be trailing a government that has a policy of bulk-buying fridges?

Jeremy Corbyn managed to turn the news cycle away from Europe for a few hours by calling Theresa May a “stupid woman” in parliament and then brazenly denying he had done so. Corbyn supporters rushed to their hero’s defence with laughable whataboutery (“why are we discussing this when there is a housing crisis?”) but the language matters.

Sexist language is, quite rightly, heavily policed in the Labour Party. To be exposed as an unthinking man with a sharp tongue both impairs Mr Corbyn’s image as a kinder, gentler politician and offends the Labour culture. If it didn’t matter he would have conceded and apologised. Mr Corbyn is often slippery with language but his supporters grant him Humpty Dumpty status. Words mean what he says they mean. He is so good that he can say words he hasn’t said.

Yet beyond the implications of Mr Corbyn’s language lies a political weakness. Mr Corbyn managed, once more, to find a way not to capitalise on a desperately vulnerable government. Let us not mince words about the shambles the Conservative Party has wrought on this country. There have been two instances this week of Mrs May’s government acting in a manner unprecedented in the history of political strategy; it is now official public policy that Britain should become poorer.

The white paper on immigration, published on Wednesday, is the result of Mrs May’s excessive interpretation that the 2016 referendum was a plebiscite against the free movement of people. The government is proposing to restrict the right of entry of productive workers from elsewhere. By 2025 this policy could, on the government’s own testimony, reduce GDP by between 0.4 per cent and 0.9 per cent of what it would otherwise have been.

This despite the fact that the government has no evidence, and admits that it has no evidence, that wages for British workers will rise or that productivity will improve. The proposal to establish a salary threshold of £30,000, below which visas will be restricted, would have terrible effects in some public services, notably social care which is a low-paid sector reliant on migrant labour. To reduce growth and make services worse. This is now government policy.

Yet this is not all. The government is, at the same time, planning an even more cunning method of reducing growth, which is to leave the EU without a withdrawal agreement. The Department of Transport has announced a “lorry lottery” to allocate permits for cross-Channel trade. This country has 40 trade deals with non-European countries which depend on its membership of the EU and which all lapse in the event that Britain has no deal.

There is likely to be at least some disruption to the 84 per cent of the UK’s exported meat and the 72 per cent of its dairy produce that goes to the EU. The price of food would rise, at least in the short term. A ten-minute wait for every one of the 2.6 million lorries which pass through Dover every year would cause chaos. The government is now in active planning for this outcome and, if Mrs May’s deal falls on January 14 next year, it could even become its preferred option.

We are all becoming inured to terrible politics yet this is extraordinary. It is also unnecessary. It is perfectly possible for Mrs May to say, brooking no contradiction, that she is not prepared to take Britain out of the EU without a deal. To do otherwise, she could and should say, is irresponsible. She could make it plain that she is prepared to delay the point of departure rather than leave on this basis. Instead, she is using the threat of no-deal as a bargaining chip. With the legislation in place to ensure departure on March 29, this could happen by default and accident. It is outrageous that Mrs May, who could say that it won’t be allowed, refuses to say so.

It is important to spell this out because this is the context in which Mr Corbyn’s Labour Party cannot manage a poll lead. There has been almost no change in voting intention since the June 2017 general election which, given the tumult, is an incredible statement. The government is, on every measure except voting intention, in a dire state. It has a net satisfaction rating of minus 45 which is similar to Gordon Brown after the 2008 crash or Mrs Thatcher during the poll tax. A majority of the public think the government is handling Brexit badly and the vast majority think the Tories are a divided party. Ratings like these have always before translated into a significant defect in voting intention. Not now.

It is impossible to avoid the conclusion that Mr Corbyn’s slip-of-the-mind at PMQs on Wednesday was the latest instalment in his series of political failures. Britain is going through a fundamental discussion of its identity and its place and where is the leader of the opposition? On the rare days he shows up for work he has nothing to say. He is clearly the creature of warring advisers in his own entourage.

First he is tabling a motion of no confidence, though not the expected one, and then he isn’t. He wants a general election, he says, but not so much that he tries to get one. He knows that if he fails to secure a general election he would be forced to declare his hand on a second referendum, which he does not want to do. There are even whispers that Mr Corbyn might order his shadow ministers to abstain on Mrs May’s vote next month in the hope that it might sneak through.

Mr Corbyn’s is a less important abdication of leadership than Mrs May’s but it is even more complete. He has to come to a clear position on Europe eventually and he has to start sounding as if he cares. It is no wonder that his approval rating is minus 32, a long way behind the prime minister’s.

There is a lot of political game-playing to go. The Tories are such a rabble that they may yet succeed in giving power away. They will have to because Mr Corbyn is proving himself completely hopeless at taking it.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #254 on: December 21, 2018, 09:59:25 AM »
Gosh, that could have been a Nazi slogan!  What will happen to the incompetent wimps then?

What? You admitted that you, as a small business owner, have made no attempt to educated yourself about how to deal with a no deal exit from the EU. You also admitted that you had no plans to do so. The only plan you seem to have is to just keep on complaining if your business goes down the pan. When your defeatist attitude was pointed out you admitted being a wimp and said it was due to the fact that you weren't around in the post WW2 era.

I'm sure there are small business owners of a similar age who are taking action in an effort to save their businesses  if a no deal Brexit happens. They may or may not succeed, but at least they'll have tried to save their businesses, their employees jobs and they may yet enjoy their retirement plans. What do you think should happen to those wimps who put no effort in?
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