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Offline Angelo222

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1335 on: February 19, 2019, 10:28:31 PM »
don't suppose the German Car manufacturers will miss our sales then.. You are making me laugh!

vee vill not sell you any ov our carrz - get you stuff  ed

The German and French car manufacturers would be decimated if the UK were to tariff them so they better be nice to us otherwise we will buy elsewhere and for less money. China for example can sell you a 4wd Jeep type car for about ten to twelve grand and the only reason we can't buy them now is because the EU has banned their import. I can see China Car showrooms all over the UK before long unless we create our own automotive industry.  So the writing could very well be on the wall for French and German cars already.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 10:35:03 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1336 on: February 19, 2019, 10:36:08 PM »
The German and French car manufacturers would be decimated if the UK were to tariff them so they better be nice to us otherwise we will buy elsewhere and for less money. China for example can sell you a 4wd Jeep type car for about ten to twelve grand and the only reason we can't buy them now is because the EU has banned their import. I can see China Car showrooms all over the UK before long.

lol yeah, the problem is China do not do quality... just quantity.

 The trade goes both ways... are people forgetting this? we should just batten down the hatches- refuse to buy goods and services from those who are wiping their sh  on our door mat on the way out...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1337 on: February 19, 2019, 10:43:16 PM »
The German and French car manufacturers would be decimated if the UK were to tariff them so they better be nice to us otherwise we will buy elsewhere and for less money. China for example can sell you a 4wd Jeep type car for about ten to twelve grand and the only reason we can't buy them now is because the EU has banned their import. I can see China Car showrooms all over the UK before long unless we create our own automotive industry.  So the writing could very well be on the wall for French and German cars already.
Won’t that be great?  Get rid of all those quality European brands and replace them with shoddy cheap Chinese ones instead.  I can’t wait!
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1338 on: February 19, 2019, 10:51:01 PM »
A reminder:
“Under WTO rules, after Brexit, cars would be taxed at 10% when they crossed the UK-EU border. And agricultural tariffs would be significantly higher, rising to an average of more than 35% for dairy products.
The UK could choose to lower tariffs or waive them altogether, in an attempt to stimulate free trade. That could mean some cheaper products coming into the country for consumers but it could also risk driving some UK producers out of business.
It's important to remember that, under the WTO's "most favoured nation" rules, the UK couldn't just lower tariffs for the EU, or any specific country, unless it had agreed a trade deal. It has to treat every WTO member around the world with which it does not have a trade deal in the same way”.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1339 on: February 19, 2019, 10:59:06 PM »
The German and French car manufacturers would be decimated if the UK were to tariff them so they better be nice to us otherwise we will buy elsewhere and for less money. China for example can sell you a 4wd Jeep type car for about ten to twelve grand and the only reason we can't buy them now is because the EU has banned their import. I can see China Car showrooms all over the UK before long unless we create our own automotive industry.  So the writing could very well be on the wall for French and German cars already.
Can you explain a bit more about this state sponsored car industry you expect the government to kick start.  Is this starting from scratch with a whole new brand, design, etc or what?  Is it your contention that we kick out all other car manufacturers and only have a British one, a bit like the Trabant monopoly in communist East Germany last century?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1340 on: February 19, 2019, 11:02:59 PM »
The German and French car manufacturers would be decimated if the UK were to tariff them so they better be nice to us otherwise we will buy elsewhere and for less money. China for example can sell you a 4wd Jeep type car for about ten to twelve grand and the only reason we can't buy them now is because the EU has banned their import. I can see China Car showrooms all over the UK before long unless we create our own automotive industry.  So the writing could very well be on the wall for French and German cars already.

Scrap that, I misread your post. The EU has to charge the UK third-country tariffs. Otherwise, it would have to lower tariffs to every other third-country. Why would they want to do that?
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 11:08:36 PM by Carana »

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1341 on: February 19, 2019, 11:11:37 PM »
Can you explain a bit more about this state sponsored car industry you expect the government to kick start.  Is this starting from scratch with a whole new brand, design, etc or what?  Is it your contention that we kick out all other car manufacturers and only have a British one, a bit like the Trabant monopoly in communist East Germany last century?

And the UK would have to produce all the components itself to avoid tariffs on importing the bits and pieces.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1342 on: February 19, 2019, 11:15:52 PM »
Scrap that, I misread your post. The EU has to charge the UK third-country tariffs. Otherwise, it would have to lower tariffs to every other third-country. Why would they want to do that?

To sell their wares?

We used to have that in this country we were the over priced sisters in the EU.  Nothing wrong with baking your own bread... you lot sound like we are going to be starved to death in a  year or so of moving out of the EU...

Too funny.

Y'all don't know!!!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1343 on: February 19, 2019, 11:24:49 PM »
don't suppose the German Car manufacturers will miss our sales then.. You are making me laugh!

vee vill not sell you any ov our carrz - get you stuff  ed

What?? The emergency arrangement is just to keep road and air transport going for a few months, until the UK figures something out. Otherwise, everything just shuts down at the end of March.

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1344 on: February 19, 2019, 11:28:08 PM »
To sell their wares?

We used to have that in this country we were the over priced sisters in the EU.  Nothing wrong with baking your own bread... you lot sound like we are going to be starved to death in a  year or so of moving out of the EU...

Too funny.

Y'all don't know!!!

No, once the chaos dies down, more stuff can still come in, but it will be very slow and more expensive.

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1345 on: February 20, 2019, 09:41:19 AM »
From Brexit Central on tariffs, etc..

This seems to be what Fox was hinting at recently (0% tariffs on food imports), which Gove has been at pains to "correct".

https://brexitcentral.com/tariff-policy-government-announce-29th-march/

This was the thinking that had the NFU up in arms.




To take just this:

"Foodstuffs will be imported free of all duties. Note that this is one of the principal benefits of Brexit."
First, it would decimate food industry, both for producers for the UK market, swamped by cheaper imports of potentially dubious quality, and the negative effects for food product exporters, which this "policy" paper merrily glides over.

Project reality:

"A no-deal Brexit would seriously harm the UK’s farmers, Michael Gove has admitted. The Environment Secretary told the National Farmer’s Union (NFU) conference that there was “no absolute guarantee” that British farmers could export any of their produce to the EU in a no-deal scenario, and would face punishing tariffs even if they could. Mr Gove also dismissed speculation that the UK Government could slash tariffs on food imports after Brexit, an idea hinted at by International Trade Secretary Liam Fox.

 The suggestion had angered food producers, who warned they would be forced out of business by a flood of cheap imports. “It will not be the case that we will have zero rate tariffs on food products, there will be protection for agriculture and food,” Mr Gove said. The Environment Secretary said that with six weeks to go until Brexit, the UK had not been formally designated by the EU as a ‘third country’. Health and safety audits required by Brussels before that can happen could take up to six months, effectively locking British producers out of their biggest market under a no-deal Brexit. “The EU still have not listed the UK as a full third country,” Mr Gove said. “As I speak there is no absolute guarantee we will continue to be able to export to the EU.”

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/brexit-michael-gove-admits-farmers-may-never-recover-from-no-deal-1-4875463

Or this:

"Automotive components, parts and sub-assemblies. Duties should be removed. These currently attract duties of around 5%. Eliminating them will help UK assembly plants relying on supplies from Europe and Japan on a “just-in-time” basis."
 



Andrew Neil
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Andrew Neil Retweeted Robert Harris

This much more important than all the Brexit-related drivel being tweeted about Honda today. If this is true the Brexit case that Leave = cheaper food has just gone down in flames.

Andrew Neil added,
Robert Harris
 @Robert___Harris
Woah, hold on a second: Gove has just casually announced the U.K. will after all apply tariffs on imported food to protect British farmers. That both demolishes one of the rationales for Brexit, and raises the spectre of an issue that crippled the Tories in the 1840s & 1900s
11:02 AM - 19 Feb 2019
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1097964650128437250

However, applying tariffs would wipe out ROI's farming exports to the UK... with all the political chaos that would result from that...
« Last Edit: February 26, 2019, 12:25:34 AM by Carana »

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1346 on: February 20, 2019, 11:55:48 AM »
Talking to myself here... LOL


LBC
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Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston and Heidi Allen said: "We no longer feel we can remain in the party of a Government whose policies and priorities are so firmly in the grip of the ERG and DUP."
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1098183815208554497

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1347 on: February 20, 2019, 12:49:22 PM »
Talking to myself here... LOL


LBC
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Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston and Heidi Allen said: "We no longer feel we can remain in the party of a Government whose policies and priorities are so firmly in the grip of the ERG and DUP."
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1098183815208554497

Interesting responses. I make it 23 'good riddances' and one message of support. These MP's seem totally oblivious to their own inconsistences for some reason, but those commenting can see very clearly what they have done wtong.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1348 on: February 20, 2019, 06:11:57 PM »
Interesting responses. I make it 23 'good riddances' and one message of support. These MP's seem totally oblivious to their own inconsistences for some reason, but those commenting can see very clearly what they have done wtong.
What have they done wrong?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1349 on: February 20, 2019, 08:52:06 PM »
What have they done wrong?

Going on your past posts, you seem to think it's OK to get elected on a mandate which you then reject. Then it's OK to keep the seat despite no longer having a mandate.
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