The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.

[AnneGuedes]

check out amnesty international...the PJ tried to cover up the injuries to Leonor Cipriano by telling a load of lies..its been pointed out to you several times but you continue to try and pretend it didn't happen

I've no time, I confess, to study the amnesty international question, but who informs them, can you tell instead of accusing me to pretend it didn't happen ?

[ferryman]

No, Ferryman, GA never covered up the torture of a woman, this is spreading a myth.
I don't know if Ms Tanner is honourable or not, I presume she is, but I'm sure she's not independent.
About her word, I wish she would have been clearer, for her own sake. The formal aspect of her rogatory interview speaks volumes about her state of mind. What one understands is that she thought the carrier was Mr Murat at the van time, but stopped thinking it at the rog time. I admit and understand that a lot of pressure was put on her and that she hardly could provide an untwisted answer.

So you accuse the Portuguese judiciary of lying?

[AnneGuedes]

So you accuse the Portuguese judiciary of lying?

Of course not, why should they ?
Ferryman, there's nothing like falling from one's chair to get back to reality.

[Mr Gray]

I've no time, I confess, to study the amnesty international question, but who informs them, can you tell instead of accusing me to pretend it didn't happen ?

This is taken from the amnesty website...2012

Torture and other ill-treatment



In March, the Court of Appeal of Evora confirmed an earlier ruling that Leonor Cipriano had been tortured while in police custody in 2004, but that it could not identify those responsible. Leonor Cipriano had yet to receive compensation from the state. Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral and António Fernandes Nuno Cardoso, senior officials in the judicial police, had been sentenced to 18 months’ and 27 months’ imprisonment respectively, for falsely claiming Leonor Cipriano had fallen down the stairs. However, both sentences were suspended on the grounds that the officers had no previous criminal convictions.




https://www.amnesty.org/en/region/portugal/report-2012

[Mr Gray]

Amarals conviction is no myth..

[jassi]

Amarals conviction is no myth..

It might not be, but is it relevant?

[Mr Gray]

It might not be, but is it relevant?

of course its relevant...amaral cannot claim the moral high ground as a man of honour...he is a proven liar

[jassi]

of course its relevant...amaral cannot claim the moral high ground as a man of honour...he is a proven liar

Yes, but it doesn't advance the case one iota, does it ?

[Mr Gray]

Yes, but it doesn't advance the case one iota, does it ?

This thread is about the libel trial...also if people think amaral is honest and believe his theories then that does affect the case

[jassi]

This thread is about the libel trial...also if people think amaral is honest and believe his theories then that does affect the case

People can believe his theories without holding him up as a paragon of virtue.

It doesn't advance the libel case, either.

[Mr Gray]

People can believe his theories without holding him up as a paragon of virtue.

It doesn't advance the libel case, either.

he is a lot less credible when the truth is known about him...we each have our own opinion

[Wonderfulspam]

This thread is about the libel trial...also if people think amaral is honest and believe his theories then that does affect the case

I don't believe Amaral's theory.

I believe the PJs conclusion,  does that affect it?

[Mr Gray]

I don't believe Amaral's theory.

I believe the PJs conclusion,  does that affect it?

 Do you refer to the archiving report which says there is no evidence against the McCanns

[Wonderfulspam]

Do you refer to the archiving report which says there is no evidence against the McCanns

Nope. I referred to the conclusions of the PJ, did I not make that clear?

[AnneGuedes]

This is taken from the amnesty website...2012

Torture and other ill-treatment



In March, the Court of Appeal of Evora confirmed an earlier ruling that Leonor Cipriano had been tortured while in police custody in 2004, but that it could not identify those responsible. Leonor Cipriano had yet to receive compensation from the state. Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral and António Fernandes Nuno Cardoso, senior officials in the judicial police, had been sentenced to 18 months’ and 27 months’ imprisonment respectively, for falsely claiming Leonor Cipriano had fallen down the stairs. However, both sentences were suspended on the grounds that the officers had no previous criminal convictions.




https://www.amnesty.org/en/region/portugal/report-2012

Gonçalo Amaral didn't push Mrs Cipriano down the stairs. He didn't even see someone pushing her down the stairs (see "the staircase" about the result of falling down stairs) without reacting. He didn't torture her nor saw someone do it.
He signed a document he shouldn't have signed without inquiring.
You call that "criminal" because your agenda is to discredit and despise Mr Amaral, just as Mrs McCann did it in her book.
Do you hope that discredit on Mr Amaral will bring Madeleine back ?
Or do you hope discredit will make the Judge order Mr Amaral to pay a lot of money to Madeleine's family ?