At what point does child neglect become an offence?

[Angelo222]

A woman has been arrested on suspicion of child neglect after four children died following an "intense" fire in a house in south London.

Two sets of twin boys aged four and three were alone when they were rescued from a house on Collingwood Road in Sutton at around 7pm on Thursday, London Fire Brigade said.

Firefighters tried to resuscitate the children, believed to be called Kyson, Bryson, Leyton and Logan, at the scene but all four boys died in hospital later that evening.

My question is this. The McCanns did exactly the same thing and lost one of their three children as a result. Had there been a fire they too could have lost all three children.

So why were they not arrested for neglect?

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021-12-17/woman-arrested-as-two-sets-of-twins-under-five-die-after-south-london-house-fire

[Venturi Swirl]

What a disgraceful thread imo.

[Eleanor]

What a disgraceful thread imo.

I have to agree with this.

[Brietta]

And thus the tragedy of these four wee boys is reduced to being a snide debating point.

My heart breaks for them, may God rest them.  With that said I won't be posting on this thread again.

[Wonderfulspam]

A woman has been arrested on suspicion of child neglect after four children died following an "intense" fire in a house in south London.

Two sets of twin boys aged four and three were alone when they were rescued from a house on Collingwood Road in Sutton at around 7pm on Thursday, London Fire Brigade said.

Firefighters tried to resuscitate the children, believed to be called Kyson, Bryson, Leyton and Logan, at the scene but all four boys died in hospital later that evening.

My question is this. The McCanns did exactly the same thing and lost one of their three children as a result. Had there been a fire they too could have lost all three children.

So why were they not arrested for neglect?

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021-12-17/woman-arrested-as-two-sets-of-twins-under-five-die-after-south-london-house-fire

According to the Sun, she had gone to Sainsburys.

"She did not return until between 8.30pm and 9pm.

"But firefighters were called just before 7pm.

"It was shocking. When she returned she was smoking a cigarette and someone said she had been to the shop.

"She showed no emotion."

Others said they saw the mum returning to the home with shopping bags.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/17072807/sutton-fire-shopping-sainsburys-house/

[Angelo222]

What a disgraceful thread imo.

Why?  Is it because it's true?

If the McCann children had all been killed in a fire because of their parents neglect would you be so generous towards them now?

Truth is the NEGLECT existed regardless of the outcome.

[Mr Gray]

Why?  Is it because it's true?

If the McCann children had all been killed in a fire because of their parents neglect would you be so generous towards them now?

Truth is the NEGLECT existed regardless of the outcome.

The McCanns were wrong to leave their children as they did... It was neglectful but was it criminal neglect... It seems not in Portugal. That's the end of it afaiac

[Angelo222]

The McCanns were wrong to leave their children as they did... It was neglectful but was it criminal neglect... It seems not in Portugal. That's the end of it afaiac

I agree with that summarisation. My intention was to point out that the crime, if it exists, is compounded by the outcome. It is unfortunate that this neglect of children is only found out when a tragedy occurs.

In the Maddie case, we would never have known that the McCanns left their three young children alone for hours had one not disappeared. Immediately it is someone else's fault, not the neglectful parents!

[G-Unit]

I agree with that summarisation. My intention was to point out that the crime, if it exists, is compounded by the outcome. It is unfortunate that this neglect of children is only found out when a tragedy occurs.

In the Maddie case, we would never have known that the McCanns left their three young children alone for hours had one not disappeared. Immediately it is someone else's fault, not the neglectful parents!

The McCann, Oldfield, O'Brien and Payne children were at risk of suffering the same fate as those poor children.

[Mr Gray]

The McCann, Oldfield, O'Brien and Payne children were at risk of suffering the same fate as those poor children.

Just as many many children and woman are at risk because of people like CB

[Mr Gray]

I agree with that summarisation. My intention was to point out that the crime, if it exists, is compounded by the outcome. It is unfortunate that this neglect of children is only found out when a tragedy occurs.

In the Maddie case, we would never have known that the McCanns left their three young children alone for hours had one not disappeared. Immediately it is someone else's fault, not the neglectful parents!

 If the children are abducted it is someone elses fault. The abductor

[G-Unit]

If the children are abducted it is someone elses fault. The abductor

So if the McCann children had died in a house fire it would have been their parent's fault?

[Mr Gray]

So if the McCann children had died in a house fire it would have been their parent's fault?

Of course.....but imo that was not likely for lots of reasons.

[Venturi Swirl]

Why?  Is it because it's true?

If the McCann children had all been killed in a fire because of their parents neglect would you be so generous towards them now?

Truth is the NEGLECT existed regardless of the outcome.

No, it's disgraceful for 2 reasons:
1) those children's bodies aren't even cold yet and you are exploiting their deaths to score a cheap point on an internet forum about the McCanns
2) You claim to know exactly what happened in this case, that's it's identical to the circumstances in the McCann case.  As far as I'm aware no details have yet been released regarding why the children were left alone, or for how long so you have started the thread from a position of ignorance, again to score a cheap point.

[G-Unit]

Of course.....but imo that was not likely for lots of reasons.

So parents are to blame if their home alone children die in a fire, but not if their children are abducted? That sounds illogical to me because in both examples the children could have been fine if the parents had been present.