At what point does child neglect become an offence?

[Mr Gray]

So parents are to blame if their home alone children die in a fire, but not if their children are abducted? That sounds illogical to me because in both examples the children could have been fine if the parents had been present.

That isn't what I said.. And I can't be bothered to spell it out to you

[Angelo222]

So parents are to blame if their home alone children die in a fire, but not if their children are abducted? That sounds illogical to me because in both examples the children could have been fine if the parents had been present.

It is all down to poor parenting. No wonder the English social services were called in to investigate the McCanns.

[faithlilly]

That isn't what I said.. And I can't be bothered to spell it out to you

Madeleine is almost certainly dead. If she had not been left alone it is almost certain that she would not be. It really is as simple as that.

[Venturi Swirl]

It is all down to poor parenting. No wonder the English social services were called in to investigate the McCanns.

And did they conclude they posed a risk to their remaining children who they took into care?

[Venturi Swirl]

When all else fails there is always the "neglect" stick to reach for in order to ignite the flames of rancorous discourse for the eight millionth time. 
well done Angelo 

[Mr Gray]

Madeleine is almost certainly dead. If she had not been left alone it is almost certain that she would not be. It really is as simple as that.

I agree... But that isn't what gunit was referring to

[Wonderfulspam]

According to another article, Sainsbury's was 5 minutes walk away.

The boys’ mum Deveca Rose, 27 — who is separated from Dalton — got back from Sainsbury’s, five minutes’ walk away, to find the house ablaze.

Strange then that the house was burning by 7pm, but she didn't get back until around 8:30-9:00

I suppose she could have spent nearly 2 hours walking around a supermarket, or maybe she did something else as well.

Anyway, she's been bailed now, so there's no harm done.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17077363/sutton-fire-mum-jeered-angry-crowd-heartbroken-dad/

[Venturi Swirl]

I agree... But that isn't what gunit was referring to

It’s possible but not a certainty.  Children have been abducted from their bedrooms and murdered before while the parents were at home.

[Mr Gray]

It seems very strange how this happened. I wonder whether there was arson involved.  If there was is the mother still to blame or should the arsonist take most if the blame

[G-Unit]

It seems very strange how this happened. I wonder whether there was arson involved.  If there was is the mother still to blame or should the arsonist take most if the blame

Parents who decide to leave their children home alone are also deciding to put their children at risk of harm. Even if no harm results the decision is wrong.

[Wonderfulspam]

It seems very strange how this happened. I wonder whether there was arson involved.  If there was is the mother still to blame or should the arsonist take most if the blame

According to the Sun.....

It is understood the PVC-covered front door caught fire - possibly due to Christmas fairy lights - and then erupted in flames.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17071179/sutton-house-fire-twins-died-brothers-christmas-presents-2/

But the official word from the Fire Chief is,

"The cause of the fire is currently unknown and we have fire investigation teams on scene at present along with the Metropolitan Police to determine the cause of the fire."

[Mr Gray]

Parents who decide to leave their children home alone are also deciding to put their children at risk of harm. Even if no harm results the decision is wrong.

We have already agreed it's wrong to leave children...that goes,, without saying but..

When blame is, aportioned for the childrens death at the moment mom is to blame.  But if there was third party involvement... Arson.. Does that change the level of blame

[Wonderfulspam]

We have already agreed it's wrong to leave children...that goes,, without saying but..

When blame is, aportioned for the childrens death at the moment mom is to blame.  But if there was third party involvement... Arson.. Does that change the level of blame

That depends, in my hypothetical, maybe she knew the arsonist & arranged the fire, like Mick Phillpott.

[Mr Gray]

That depends, in my hypothetical, maybe she knew the arsonist & arranged the fire, like Mick Phillpott.

So the level of blame depends on other factors.. Unusual for you to support me.  Until the full story comes out we won't know

[Wonderfulspam]

So the level of blame depends on other factors.. Unusual for you to support me.  Until the full story comes out we won't know

Well actually, no, I don't think it's fair to blame imaginary arsonists until we get more information, so I'd prefer to stick with blaming the mother.