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Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1035 on: June 11, 2016, 01:49:42 AM »
Two people said she was in bed. One said she was on top of the covers, the other under. Damn this is a hard one.

As Brietta has just explained, Pegasus & I were talking about the TS case.

I've already explained the other issue to you.
MM was under the covers when KM put her to bed.
At the time of the GM check, she was on top of the covers because he had inadvertently interrupted the abduction.
MM was quickly placed back on the bed so the abductor could hide. (Door move 1)
She was removed from the apartment after GM left, via the front door after the shutters had been raised. (Door move 2)
When MO checked at 9.35pm the blue bedroom curtains appeared green - amber light shining through blue.
It's really quite easy, even if it is just a thesis.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1036 on: June 11, 2016, 02:07:05 AM »
Because they said so. Kate couldn't remember nowt about who checked on her before they left. I think it was Gerry. Yeah thinks not know. They have shown the truth.

"Doesn't know if the story was finished, but thinks she was sitting on the sofa."

"She thinks that Gerry entered the room, but does not recall him sitting on the bed."

"She thinks that Gerry was in the room, and each (Kate and Gerry) placed a twin in its crib at the same time, between Madeleine's bed and the bed next to the window."

"She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold.."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

WTF!
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1037 on: June 11, 2016, 07:18:24 AM »
As Brietta has just explained, Pegasus & I were talking about the TS case.

I've already explained the other issue to you.
MM was under the covers when KM put her to bed.
At the time of the GM check, she was on top of the covers because he had inadvertently interrupted the abduction.
MM was quickly placed back on the bed so the abductor could hide. (Door move 1)
She was removed from the apartment after GM left, via the front door after the shutters had been raised. (Door move 2)
When MO checked at 9.35pm the blue bedroom curtains appeared green - amber light shining through blue.
It's really quite easy, even if it is just a thesis.

How did the 'abductor' pick MM up from under the covers? They looked very tidy she must have been lifted in such a way that she emerged from the top. Why was she still in a deep sleep?

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Alfie

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1038 on: June 11, 2016, 08:26:01 AM »
How did the 'abductor' pick MM up from under the covers? They looked very tidy she must have been lifted in such a way that she emerged from the top. Why was she still in a deep sleep?
Do you think the way he covers were left indicate it's unlikely she woke and wandered?

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1039 on: June 11, 2016, 08:44:09 AM »
Do you think the way he covers were left indicate it's unlikely she woke and wandered?

The bed did not look slept in.

Barely disturbed.

IMO of course.

Offline Lace

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1040 on: June 11, 2016, 05:26:58 PM »
The bed did not look slept in.

Barely disturbed.

IMO of course.

The Police Officer said there was a dent in the bed as if a form had been lying there,  quite easy to just put your arms under a small child and lift it out without leaving much disturbance.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1041 on: June 11, 2016, 05:34:35 PM »
The bed did not look slept in.

Barely disturbed.

IMO of course.

were you there then...did you get a good look

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1042 on: June 11, 2016, 05:46:30 PM »
The Police Officer said there was a dent in the bed as if a form had been lying there,  quite easy to just put your arms under a small child and lift it out without leaving much disturbance.

Like I said, the bed looked barely disturbed.

Almost as if, the cover sheet had been turned over for effect

Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1043 on: June 11, 2016, 05:48:28 PM »
As Brietta has just explained, Pegasus & I were talking about the TS case.

I've already explained the other issue to you.
MM was under the covers when KM put her to bed.
At the time of the GM check, she was on top of the covers because he had inadvertently interrupted the abduction.
MM was quickly placed back on the bed so the abductor could hide. (Door move 1)
She was removed from the apartment after GM left, via the front door after the shutters had been raised. (Door move 2)
When MO checked at 9.35pm the blue bedroom curtains appeared green - amber light shining through blue.
It's really quite easy, even if it is just a thesis.
Or it could be as simple as Madeleine became too hot under the covers and flapped them over, sleeping on top of them.   

Madeleine was virtually 4 years old and quite capable of doing that.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1044 on: June 11, 2016, 05:53:08 PM »
Or it could be as simple as Madeleine became too hot under the covers and flapped them over, sleeping on top of them.   

Madeleine was virtually 4 years old and quite capable of doing that.

...and opening the patio doors and child gate...
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Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1045 on: June 11, 2016, 06:01:33 PM »
...and opening the patio doors and child gate...

Maybe the patio door, maybe not.

Depending on how child safe the lock on the child gate she may or may not be able to open it.


BUT had she managed the patio doors, the minute she came out on to that patio area, she would have seen and heard her parents and their friends in the Tapas Restaurant just 50 metres away.

She would have been visible to them and she would have yelled

... and Madeleine was quite capable of making a mighty noise for such a little one.   They would have heard her and seen the change of light, from the lamp left lit, as the curtains were pulled back.  They would have seen her as well.

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1046 on: June 11, 2016, 06:22:27 PM »
Maybe the patio door, maybe not.

Depending on how child safe the lock on the child gate she may or may not be able to open it.


BUT had she managed the patio doors, the minute she came out on to that patio area, she would have seen and heard her parents and their friends in the Tapas Restaurant just 50 metres away.

She would have been visible to them and she would have yelled

... and Madeleine was quite capable of making a mighty noise for such a little one.   They would have heard her and seen the change of light, from the lamp left lit, as the curtains were pulled back.  They would have seen her as well.

Pure supposition Sadie.

So Madeleine could see clearly in the dark then ?

Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1047 on: June 11, 2016, 06:44:53 PM »
Pure supposition Sadie.

So Madeleine could see clearly in the dark then ?

Had you failed to notice that the Tapas restaurant had huge windows and was well lit?

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1048 on: June 11, 2016, 06:46:29 PM »
Had you failed to notice that the Tapas restaurant had huge windows and was well lit?

It was night time sadie, and she was a small girl.

Get real.

Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #1049 on: June 11, 2016, 06:49:11 PM »
It was night time sadie, and she was a small girl.

Get real.
Even small girls can see and hear Stephen.

The Mccanns and friends group were well lit and she could directly see the place where they sat at only 50 metres away.