Wandering Off Topic

[misty]

Madeleine never made it onto the patio so her night vision is irrelevant. She would not have closed the patio door behind her.

[stephen25000]

Even small girls can see and hear Stephen.

The Mccanns and friends group were well lit and she could directly see the place where they sat at only 50 metres away.

How well could she see Sadie, approx 164 feet away in  the dark ?

You need to do a lot better than that.

[sadie]

How well could she see Sadie, approx 164 feet away in  the dark ?

You need to do a lot better than that.

FGS Stephen, have you never sat in a lit room and looked across a dark area at another lit room?  You can see everything.  Try another tack.

Yep 50 metres is approx. 164 feet and also less than 55 yards. 
Pace it out.  It is not far to recognise your friends and her parents.

[stephen25000]

FGS Stephen, have you never sat in a lit room and looked across a dark area at another lit room?  You can see everything.  Try another tack.

Yep 50 metres is approx. 164 feet and also less than 55 yards. 
Pace it out.  It is not far to recognise your friends and her parents.

FGS Sadie, get a grip.


She was a small child.

[slartibartfast]

Maybe the patio door, maybe not.

Depending on how child safe the lock on the child gate she may or may not be able to open it.


BUT had she managed the patio doors, the minute she came out on to that patio area, she would have seen and heard her parents and their friends in the Tapas Restaurant just 50 metres away.

She would have been visible to them and she would have yelled

... and Madeleine was quite capable of making a mighty noise for such a little one.   They would have heard her and seen the change of light, from the lamp left lit, as the curtains were pulled back.  They would have seen her as well.

Rather than yell, she would more likely of headed off to see them and once out of sight of the tapas, who knows where she would go.

[pegasus]

FGS Stephen, have you never sat in a lit room and looked across a dark area at another lit room?  You can see everything.  Try another tack. ...(snip)

0% of the restaurant is visible from the north bedroom.
0% of the north bedroom is visible from the restaurant.

[pegasus]

(snip) ...Yep 50 metres is approx. 164 feet and also less than 55 yards. 
Pace it out.  It is not far to recognise your friends and her parents.

Pace it out and you will find the walking distance is 85 metres Sadie.

[mercury]

Maybe the patio door, maybe not.

Depending on how child safe the lock on the child gate she may or may not be able to open it.


BUT had she managed the patio doors, the minute she came out on to that patio area, she would have seen and heard her parents and their friends in the Tapas Restaurant just 50 metres away.

She would have been visible to them and she would have yelled

... and Madeleine was quite capable of making a mighty noise for such a little one.   They would have heard her and seen the change of light, from the lamp left lit, as the curtains were pulled back.  They would have seen her as well.

This cant be stated as a fact or even a probable event unless you thnk the tapas party had their eyes glued on the apartment all night, why on earth would they do that?

[pegasus]

Rather than yell, she would more likely of headed off to see them and once out of sight of the tapas, who knows where she would go.

If she headed towards the tapas restaurant would she know how to open the tapas reception outer door?

[slartibartfast]

If she headed towards the tapas restaurant would she know how to open the tapas reception outer door?

Would she even find them...?

[pegasus]

This cant be stated as a fact or even a probable event unless you thnk the tapas party had their eyes glued on the apartment all night, why on earth would they do that?

Precisely Merc. How many people at the table saw GM enter or leave, or saw MO enter or leave, or saw KM enter or leave the balcony door? Zero. None. The diners at the table completely missed all 6 balcony door openings.

[mercury]

Precisely Merc. How many people at the table saw GM enter or leave, or saw MO enter or leave, or saw KM enter or leave the balcony door? Zero. None. The diners at the table completely missed all 6 balcony door openings.

Its silly to suggest one or  all nine diners were eating and drnking with eyes transfixed at the apartments all night, its almost a monty python sketch

[pegasus]

Its silly to suggest one or  all nine diners were eating and drnking with eyes transfixed at the apartments all night, its almost a monty python sketch

Anyway they could only see the top third of the balcony door. And they couldn't see any of the west end (the opening end) of the balcony door - look at photos - a bit of the building sticks out which blocks their view.

[pegasus]

Would she even find them...?

Yes but only if she got through the doors of the reception building.
The reception doors were probably not left open at night, and it's possible a child would push on them, find they did not move, and assume they are locked. (To open them you need to know how they work).

[mercury]

Anyway they could only see the top third of the balcony door. And they couldn't see any of the west end (the opening end) of the balcony door - look at photos - a bit of the building sticks out which blocks their view.

And not forgetting the cacophony of a busy restaraunt and the particular loud party, (aka Bridget Wilkins saying their laughter wafted right up to her apartment)any theory that they would have seen or heard Madeleine on the balcony is a non starter IMO as is her spotting her parents and shouting to them. I agree with the idea if she walked out she would have gone to them instead. VIs a vis the outer reception door and ablity to open it, doesnt really matter, someone will have probably entered or exited at some stage, or someone pass by and see her struggling to do so, maybe...maybe these queries should be addressed to KM who seems to think her child was able to go out and go find them despite also saying She is sure she wouldnt have gone out the apartment